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Joe Wylie

Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:36:10 +1300

Anthony "Pepper Spray" Bologna meets Jesus.

Occupy Sesame Street.

(Might need to turn off adblocking just for the page)

Joe Wylie

Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:41:08 +1300

OMGs

Tell all teens
Kids today, they won't believe you :)

Hilary Stace

Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:34:36 +1300

This is quite exciting. Next Saturday 15th there will be a range of Occupy NZ activities around the country. The 99% is welcome. Facebook (Occupy New Zealand etc) and twitter eg occupywelly will have details.

Sacha

Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:26:42 +1300

OMGs

Tell all teens

Joe Wylie

Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:18:32 +1300

One percenter:
Some outlaw motorcycle clubs can be distinguished by a 1% patch worn on the colors. This is claimed to be a reference to a comment made by the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) in which they stated that 99% of motorcyclists were law-abiding citizens, implying that the last one…

Ian Dalziel

Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:03:07 +1300

Meanwhile upstairs at the 1%'s offices...

Sacha

Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:59:51 +1300

Interview with the creators of the "We are the 99%" blog.

DCBCauchi

Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:40:44 +1300

That 'We are the 99%' thing is an obvious rip from Gillian Wearing.

For more on Occupy Wall Street's influences from art:

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/38786/how-a-canadian-culture-magazine-helped-spark-occupy-wall-street/

Hilary Stace

Fri, 07 Oct 2011 20:18:51 +1300

The Occupied Wall Street Journal – print your own for posterity.

ChrisW

Wed, 05 Oct 2011 09:37:45 +1300

"Sorrow is knowledge,
those that know the most
must mourn the deepest,
the tree of knowledge
is not the tree of life."

Nice quote Islander – I guess the complementarity of 'Sorrow is knowledge' to Keats' 'Beauty is truth ...' is obvious, as well as its greater truthfulness perhaps? I…

Kumara Republic

Tue, 04 Oct 2011 23:52:09 +1300

How to build a fire:

http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

Los Indignados Americanos.

Islander

Tue, 04 Oct 2011 23:20:18 +1300

From another century, words by a wastrel, exploiter, and womaniser:

"Sorrow is knowledge,
those that know the most
must mourn the deepest,
the tree of knowledge
is not the tree of life." *

Mind you, a constant stream of factoids isnt anywhere 'knowledge'.....

*Byron, with an obvious nod towards Christianity.

chris

Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:54:50 +1300

we all end up knowing too much we don’t need to know, too much complexity, too much detail without corroboration – and it overloads our filters and ability to act decisively.

I'm definitely feeling that Ian.

chris

Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:53:07 +1300

Is it being distracted by others’ flames, stopping us from kindling our own, or more looking at how they built their fire, to inform our search for kindling?

Interesting perspective DCB. I mentioned fire as analogous to a civilization, the global blaze of sustenance, each nation huddled about its own…

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:08:28 +1300

Genuine questions
Chris, I agree with Islander's take on it, but tempered with the "think global, act local" mindset, while news can travel at varying sped it can be manipulated as well and often has to be treated as suspect.
plus to your second question: I think there is a…

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:56:51 +1300

effem era...
Are they related to this kind of thing at all?
totally, the street sheets thang is just my generic description of that family of broadsides and broadsheets as distinct from pamphlets and flyers...
maybe the German ones are not so much handouts as Hans' doubts...
;- )

DCBCauchi

Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:37:16 +1300

How to build a fire:

http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

DCBCauchi

Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:55:25 +1300

Our gaze stolen by a dying fire’s embers, waylaying our task of collecting fresh kindling from the dilating blackness.

Is it being distracted by others' flames, stopping us from kindling our own, or more looking at how they built their fire, to inform our search for kindling?

Or both?

chris

Tue, 04 Oct 2011 01:56:36 +1300

"-I’d stop it there,"

Tēnā rawa atu koe hīnātore. ko koe tonu a runga.

Islander

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 23:42:19 +1300

O goodness chris! This could've been engraved by someone back on Hadrian's Wall-
it is poetry
"our gaze stolen by a dying fire"

-I'd stop it there, but do feel enhanced – as a human being – by your words – thank you!
I am fascinated by 3 quarters of…

chris

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 23:12:40 +1300

Thanks for taking the time to answer Islander, much appreciated. Perhaps it's a false equivalence, but I'm ever querulous about the amount of attention afforded the US by ANZers, it doesn't get so much airtime here, nothing much does, besides growth and development. Our gaze stolen by a dying fire's…

Islander

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:40:58 +1300

o you think in the old times, citizens in far flung territories, not simply aligned with but under the thumb of the empire cared much about the goings on in Rome?

Very much YES – because it could mean the movement of Legions and the replacement of Roman officials -…

chris

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:24:15 +1300

Do you think in the old times, citizens in far flung territories, not simply aligned with but under the thumb of the empire cared much about the goings on in Rome?

Does our enhanced ability to vicariously share in these distant struggles motivate significant reinforcement and real momentum with regards…

DCBCauchi

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:12:11 +1300

I'm not familiar with the term 'German street sheets' (sheets in German you hand out on the street?). Are they related to this kind of thing at all?

http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/dada/Der_blutige_Ernst/4/index.htm

DCBCauchi

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:08:07 +1300

Print will never die!

Islander beat me to it.

Islander

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 18:01:35 +1300

Amen*!

Have bookmarked your links – cheers!

*An atheist’s amen is also composed of chocolate… and yeah, I realise it means 'So be it.'

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 17:50:37 +1300

…in combination with some 21st century tactics.
Quick, mobile, adaptive…
Just like the New York Times – who shift the blame on the run…

Harking back to the media’s cavalier attitude to science and corrections, Whatsupwiththat have a nice story on the Telegraph misplacing the North Pole…

Here’s a story…

DCBCauchi

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:46:13 +1300

A print run of 50,000! That will be a valuable archival record in the future.

The 'Occupied Wall Street Journal' looks to be a brilliant thing. I'd love a copy. Going by the photo and quotes, it seems to have been carefully well crafted by sensible people who know what…

Hilary Stace

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:40:48 +1300

A print run of 50,000! That will be a valuable archival record in the future.

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 10:14:39 +1300

Occupy Wall Street now owns their own news...

Hilary Stace

Mon, 03 Oct 2011 08:59:50 +1300

Penny Red who wrote that amazing piece about the London riots is now at the escalating Occupy Wall Street protest.

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 02 Oct 2011 09:37:39 +1300

Watson a name?
at the risk of ©odwinningthe the thread – I hadn't been aware of the Madrid Protocol prior to reading this
Kiwi businesses will need to get their trademark acts in order before New Zealand enters an international treaty next year that could prompt an intellectual property land-grab.…

Kumara Republic

Sat, 01 Oct 2011 22:47:27 +1300

dumb cop action has resulted in the unions getting involved and Occupy Wall Street is getting bigger…

Roll on the Wall Street Gherao!

Ian Dalziel

Sat, 01 Oct 2011 21:16:17 +1300

Up against the Wall....
Shows the power of the social media, and the collective action of real people, over the big corporates. Very heartening.
dumb cop action has resulted in the unions getting involved and Occupy Wall Street is getting bigger...

Sofie Bribiesca

Sat, 01 Oct 2011 07:28:30 +1300

but what about Coro changing to 5.30 and Primetime being devoted to Masterchef Oz. What’s that about? Yeah, I know, ratings, but … sigh.
Never Fear!
The key is here

GaryWills

Fri, 30 Sept 2011 22:31:14 +1300

I believe a suitable owner for Media Works is Britian's Channel 4. As they both have a similar business model.

Geoff Lealand

Fri, 30 Sept 2011 14:08:38 +1300

a regularly-updated Media Ownership in NZ resource for media teachers

It floats around various media teacher lists and appears in our journal Script but I have found a link here, oddly enough from AUT. Needs updating for 2011--I will add it to the list of things to do.
http://kauri.aut.ac.nz:8080/dspace/bitstream/123456789/2977/1/pmw_Media%20in%20NZ.Feb%202010.pdf

Tom Semmens

Fri, 30 Sept 2011 10:10:50 +1300

(Disclaimer of an odd sort: I dont watch "Coro" – but my mother does.
Feel her wrath, idiot programme-controllers!)

I threw some baiting burley into the water of a phone conversation with my Mum last night over Coro street, and let's just say the freeding frenzy of great Whites aint…

Hilary Stace

Thu, 29 Sept 2011 22:25:13 +1300

The Occupy Wall Street movement is in its second week and has now become Occupy together and is spreading across the US. For the first few days it was ignored by the mainstream media and only Al-Jazeera and the local Indymedia covered it. Somehow even twitter prevented it trending.…

Russell Brown

Thu, 29 Sept 2011 19:00:46 +1300

Just on the quiet, I have been compiling a regularly-updated Media Ownership in NZ resource for media teachers for over ten years but AUT didn't seem to know about this.

Link, plz?

Cecelia

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 19:32:49 +1300

Good on your mum. I can feel a letter to TVNZ coming on!

Islander

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 19:30:40 +1300

I could guarentee there are more diehard Coro viewers than OZ Masterchef viewers ... and disappointed Coro viewers make for very agitated & persistent complainers. (Disclaimer of an odd sort: I dont watch "Coro" – but my mother does.
Feel her wrath, idiot programme-controllers!)

Cecelia

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 19:23:39 +1300

Interesting discussion and I'm not trolling, honestly I'm not, but what about Coro changing to 5.30 and Primetime being devoted to Masterchef Oz. What's that about? Yeah, I know, ratings, but ... sigh.

Ross Mason

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 16:54:48 +1300

Back to sky. Ummm.....is it my impression or have others noticed the general lack of different sports now being found on the sky sports channels. Few of the odd ball ones like the red bull air races. BUT certainly more of the cage fighting being seen on more and more…

Geoff Lealand

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 15:23:26 +1300

I realise that JMAD is constrained by funding but it is very new media-oriented when there are so many areas of the media they haven't included eg advertising agencies; film distribution and exhibition. the full gamut of television and telecommunications etc.
Just on the quiet, I have been compiling a…

Hilary Stace

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 15:10:49 +1300

Rastani is even on stuff now, and he's not a fake

3410

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 11:36:36 +1300

Ah!

Tim Michie

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 11:33:31 +1300

worth dropping this link Brooke Gladstone's 'The Influencing Machine' great excerpt especially The Goldilocks Number.

Sacha

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 10:41:04 +1300

election season :)

Paul Williams

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 10:29:57 +1300

I recently stumbled on this via Slate, which excepts a chapter, haven't got it yet but it's top of my list.

Tom Semmens

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 10:24:17 +1300

Forbes.com interviews our man Rastani and it seems he checks out.

he may not be a full-blown city trader, but he is a trader.

George Darroch

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 09:58:22 +1300

In the context of comments about the consistent credulity of court reporters (breathlessly repeating police allegations as fact), it's worth dropping this link Brooke Gladstone's 'The Influencing Machine'. A brilliant exposition on media control, illustrated in comic form.

3410

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 09:55:27 +1300

I don’t find Red Alert (for the most part) an excessively useful source of value adding commentary on any subject and I do put that squarely on Curran’s shoulders.

Well, fine. You're most welcome to that opinion. What it's got to do with:

Myllylahti hinted at an agenda in this…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 09:53:58 +1300

Interesting story:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/8792829/BBC-financial-expert-Alessio-Rastani-Im-an-attention-seeker-not-a-trader.html

Conspiracy theorists will make hay with this!

You know something's amiss when the Torygraph is calling bullshit.

merc

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 09:12:45 +1300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atfNL0_KAcs

John Farrell

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 08:36:24 +1300

Interesting story:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/8792829/BBC-financial-expert-Alessio-Rastani-Im-an-attention-seeker-not-a-trader.html

Conspiracy theorists will make hay with this!

Tom Semmens

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 08:32:43 +1300

If he is a hoax, then move over Stephen Colbert – you just got some serious competition.

John Farrell

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 08:26:10 +1300

There appears to be some doubt whether the man is a trader, or if this is a hoax of some kind. Poe's law has been invoked.....

Steve Withers

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 08:22:11 +1300

This government's actions make perfect sense if you bear in mind their policies are designed to support and extend the business models of Sky, Infratil / NZ Bus and Fulton Hogan. Hence the hostility to public broadcasting and anything other than roads, trucks and buses. These are the most obvious…

Tom Semmens

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 08:00:50 +1300

Mr. Rastini admits he has no morality and makes no useful contribution. Cancer? How Freudian of him. If an Saudi was to fly an aeroplane into his building, I would at least consider sending a card of condolence to Riyadh.

On the main topic,

Puzzling over the corpse of journalism…

Yoza

Wed, 28 Sept 2011 01:08:42 +1300

Thanks Andre, I enjoy Chris Hedges. _"Democracy, a system ideally designed to challenge the status quo, has been corrupted and tamed to slavishly serve the status quo. We have undergone, as John Ralston Saul writes, a coup d’état in slow motion. And the coup is over. They won. We lost.…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 23:55:34 +1300

Oh, I give up.

Please do – and don’t misrepresent my comment. Frankly, if I had issues with Myllylahti there’s bugger all evidence around these parts that I wouldn’t say so up front. But equally frankly, I don’t find Red Alert (for the most part) an excessively useful source of…

Hilary Stace

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 21:57:59 +1300

Sorry, but just had to post this. It's from the BBC news so sort of relevant. Apologies if already been mentioned today on other threads. A money trader confesses the economy is stuffed but recessions are wonderful opportunities for money traders to make money – as if there's no morality…

Sacha

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 18:29:30 +1300

There are trade shows to do deals at, formats to sell multiple times.

Ah, so does regionalisation create more opportunities than a more global market?

Andre

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 17:42:26 +1300

When Pulitzer prize-winning journos have this type of worldview, the fight for a free press becomes more of a fight for freedom in general. http://www.countercurrents.org/hedges190310.htm

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 17:10:49 +1300

Andre: It would be easier to have a sensible argument about the merits (or otherwise) of said editorial if you'd bother representing it accurately. Is this Kiwibog or something?

3410

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 17:09:36 +1300

Myllylahti hinted at an agenda in this comment on Clare Curran’s blog.

This would be the same blog where Trevor Mallard did whatever the hell he does – not really holding my breath waiting for value adding media commentary from that quarter.

Right, so Myllylahti is somehow to blame for…

Andre

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 16:57:15 +1300

Things are however getting scary when the Fairfax-owned Dom Post decides to tell us that it is normal that they show a huge editorial bias in favour of John Key and National. Say goodbye to the free press etc... http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/5681893/Editorial-Swinging-pendulum-is-easily-forgotten
Their argument that they used to say nice things about…

Russell Brown

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 16:43:05 +1300

Works for who though? The media companies, perhaps.

Production companies too. For all the talk about "long tail" revenue, nobody sees much of yet. OTOH, even the pitiful sums available from onselling to some shithouse cable channel do actually constitute money. There are trade shows to do deals at, formats…

Sacha

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 16:35:46 +1300

The whole business is territorial, and it sort of works

Works for who though? The media companies, perhaps. Aren't we seeing the regional thing break down with instant global online news alternatives and even TV entertainment programming being forced to reduce lag between territories?

insider

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 16:03:43 +1300

Just read the report in about 10mins – it is that lightweight. Just because it is written by an academic doesn't make it of academic standard – using Facebook likes as a measure of trending public concern about ownership was just one "oh FFS" moment.

For a self described "New…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 15:20:56 +1300

Myllylahti hinted at an agenda in this comment on Clare Curran’s blog.

This would be the same blog where Trevor Mallard did whatever the hell he does – not really holding my breath waiting for value adding media commentary from that quarter.

ETA: And should someone make the Herald print…

Paul Williams

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 15:07:24 +1300

Does it work? I guess it does to the extent that I'm not yet prepared to go totally rogue and give up Foxtel and simply torrent the sport I watch live... it's only live sport that's keeping me with Foxtel and I do question the comparative value of extending my…

Russell Brown

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 14:46:06 +1300

I’m anticipating a business model where I can pay a fee and access any/all publishers of any content accessible online and through whatever device I prefer.

The structural resistance to this in the TV industry is very significant. The whole business is territorial, and it sort of works.

Paul Williams

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 14:24:32 +1300

I fear I'm being a pollyanna, but don't we all expect the current business model to rapidly collapse. AFAIK, the NY Times has a successful paywall, but are there many others? With broadcasters losing unquantifiable $$ from torrents too, I'm anticipating a business model where I can pay a fee…

Kumara Republic

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 14:18:07 +1300

I’m inclined to think that the problem is less foreign ownership than an alarming lack of diversity of ownership.

Or to put it succinctly, cartellisation.

Sacha

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 13:40:35 +1300

an alarming lack of diversity of ownership

Is that a consequence of changes in the underlying business model and economic context across all broadcast media? If so, how are other nations responding to the same trend?

Russell Brown

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 13:11:44 +1300

I’m surprised they’ve not heard of TVNZ.

They have, clearly, but given that nearly the whole of the newspaper market is owned by APN and Fairfax, and nearly the whole of the radio market is owned by TRN (also part-owned by APN) and Mediaworks, and Mediaworks has a substantial chunk…

Paul Williams

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 13:03:53 +1300

I'm surprised they've not heard of TVNZ.

I've not read the report, but do they start by excluding publicly owned media and is this primarily focused on print? I don't know about others, but the media I consume is a broad mix of print, radio and online and equally a…

Graeme Edgeler

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 12:09:13 +1300

It finds that three major players – APN, Fairfax and MediaWorks – now own more than 80% of New Zealand media.

And from the paper:

Four companies, all overseas owned, dominate the New Zealand news media.

I'm surprised they've not heard of TVNZ.

Russell Brown

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 11:43:56 +1300

I did intend "editorial resources" to include the newsrooms — which have shrunk alarmingly — but you do have a point. There are fewer reporters, more people engaged in churnalism.

There are also fewer sub-editors — whose jobs have been outsourced to central hubs in both chains. The loss of…

Danyl Mclauchlan

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 11:29:23 +1300

My impression is that 'editorial resources' aren't particularly squeezed. Both big newspapers seem to have loads of editors, deputy editors, web editors, news editors etc. It's the actual journalists that are thin on the ground.

Julie Fairey

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 11:23:50 +1300

I'm be really interested to understand how ownership models impact on editorial decision-making. I know there are a lot of people here, not least Russell, who know a lot about the working of newsrooms, but it's quite foreign to me. How does a story get into print/on screen? And what…

Sacha

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 11:23:47 +1300

Meanwhile, Rachel Glucina gets a citation
In an academic report? Joking, surely.

Public Address

Tue, 27 Sept 2011 11:23:47 +1300

Discussion from blog post.