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merc

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:45:28 +1300

http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/dawn-raids-2005 link,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10667079

Russell Brown

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:17:09 +1300

Started in 74, not long before Kirk’s death, I understand. Continued under Rowling, and then under Muldoon.

Did a bit of a search yesterday to try to establish when they ended, but couldn’t find anything. Anyone here have the information?

The book Tangata o le Moana is quite helpful on…

Hilary Stace

Mon, 05 Nov 2012 10:26:36 +1300

Can someone who was at the Kirk conference elaborate on what Andrew Little said about extending ACC benefits to those whose impairment is not due to accident? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7907461/Little-Change-ACC-illness-injustice

Seems a very good idea and honours the intentions of the Disabled Persons Community Welfare Act that I mentioned earlier.

WH

Sat, 03 Nov 2012 23:10:30 +1300

That TVNZ backgrounder is fantastic. The woman who mowed her own lawns and did her own plumbing glowed, even in black and white. What a beautiful image of New Zealand. The broader perspective of the interviews with the political journalists really contrasts with the artificial intensity of the 45 seconds…

mark taslov

Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:56:19 +1300

I’d say Muldoon laid the groundwork for it

Thanks DeepRed, makes sense.

Kumara Republic

Sat, 03 Nov 2012 12:46:53 +1300

Started in 74, not long before Kirk’s death, I understand. Continued under Rowling, and then under Muldoon.

The dawn raids would have started just after the 1st Oil Crisis threw the Bretton Woods system into disarray, but Muldoon made them even more infamous. And to this day, some people, like…

kay mckenna

Sat, 03 Nov 2012 11:04:38 +1300

That is great to hear that 19 Hillsborough Terrace is still as it was, Mike. We used to live in 21 Which was very similar, weatherboard and arched windows on either side of the fireplace. My parents bought the house at 21 for 13,500$ in the late 60s.
Almost a…

Kyle Matthews

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:12:22 +1300

This might have the info?

http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/dawn-raids-2005

Graeme Edgeler

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:19:26 +1300

Dawn raids occured mainly from the mid 70s under Muldoon. Not sure if prevalent in Kirk’s time (up to 1974)?

Started in 74, not long before Kirk's death, I understand. Continued under Rowling, and then under Muldoon.

Did a bit of a search yesterday to try to establish when they…

Hilary Stace

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:50:09 +1300

One of the most significant acts of the Labour government was the 1975 Disabled Persons Community Welfare Act, Led by JB Munro, an MP and disability activist, it was intended to extend the benefits of ACC to people whose impairments were not caused by accident.The intention was a comprehensive system…

Sacha

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:33:22 +1300

Dawn raids occured mainly from the mid 70s under Muldoon.

Wikipedia agrees.

Dawn raids were a common event in Auckland, New Zealand during a crackdown on illegal overstayers from the Pacific Islands from the mid 1970s to the early 1980s. The raids were associated with the policies of the Muldoon…

Hilary Stace

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:28:55 +1300

Dawn raids occured mainly from the mid 70s under Muldoon. Not sure if prevalent in Kirk's time (up to 1974)?

Dave Patrick

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:19:39 +1300

Dawn Raids, not so much.
That's very true

Graeme Edgeler

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:50:45 +1300

The Norman Kirk government would provide me with an instant answer for one of those on the whole pretty bad "What makes you proud to be a New Zealander"

Dawn Raids, not so much.

Joe Wylie

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 10:20:44 +1300

We seem to have done a really thorough job of effortlessly stuffing him down the memory hole, not that he didn't deserve it.
My best recollection of John Kirk's downfall is that he racked up massive debts in ski-related tourism ventures, while flagrantly neglecting his duties as MP for Sydenham.…

Steve Ballantyne

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 09:41:36 +1300

If I recall correctly, John Kirk disappeared in the general direction of the US following incidents – my memory becomes vague here – involving dishonesty and some intemperate opinionating at variance with his role as MP in his late father's seat.

We seem to have done a really thorough job…

Martin Lindberg

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 09:33:56 +1300

At the time I thought that he must have been reasonably well off to afford so many burgers.

I wonder how many burgers John Key could afford?

Mike O'Connell

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 08:02:11 +1300

I think John Kirk ended up leaving the country, to where I'm not certain. His brother Bob was a well-respected academic (coastal geographer) and then became one of the best performing regional councillors with Environment Canterbury from 2004 through to when the government brought in Commissioners...but that's a whole different…

Steve Ballantyne

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 01:59:13 +1300

but also some strange family members

Oh lord yes – I know this is nothing but the most morbid curiosity – but whatever did happen to that awful John Kirk?

Kumara Republic

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 01:02:34 +1300

Sounds bang on. Under whose leadership did this become the norm?

I'd say Muldoon laid the groundwork for it, particularly during the 1981 Tour.

mark taslov

Fri, 02 Nov 2012 00:51:27 +1300

Sounds bang on. Under whose leadership did this become the norm?

Joe Wylie

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 23:46:27 +1300

This was in the day when the PM would take the bus from the airport to get home, satchel in hand, no minder or security whatsoever.
The one time I saw Kirk was when he was opposition leader, in the Robbers Roost burger bar in Ferry Road, Woolston, collecting a…

Geoff Lealand

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 23:01:04 +1300

Blame the American obsession with security and control + various NZ politicians with an inflated sense of their own importance?

mark taslov

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:53:46 +1300

This was in the day when the PM would take the bus from the airport to get home, satchel in hand, no minder or security whatsoever. How times have changed.

I’d be interested to know when and why the paranoia kicked in.

Mike O'Connell

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:50:39 +1300

I recall we were going to sing ‘Big Norm’ as a key part of a school production – which not surprisingly got quickly canned when the news came through Kirk had died. The old Kirk house in Hillsborough Tce, Christchurch still stands. In fact we know the owners and are…

mark taslov

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:09:05 +1300

Tom Scott (baby-boomer cartoonist) and Tom Scott (Gen Y rapper) make an interesting comparison.

True, nice. The clip you posted is a great slice.

Joe Wylie

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:07:02 +1300

. . . the sending of a frigate to protest French nuclear testing in the Pacific was not only a wonderful piece of showmanship, but the first time I can recall New Zealand having a grown-up, independent foreign policy initiative.
The Whitlam Government took a much lower profile, sending an…

Sacha

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:06:22 +1300

"What makes you proud to be a New Zealander"

Yes, funny how that crucial question is not addressed by today's parties.

Kumara Republic

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:54:51 +1300

I think those election ads were the work of young Bob Harvey

Who went on to do the 'Little Olivia' campaign in 1984.

Dave Patrick

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:54:14 +1300

The Norman Kirk government would provide me with an instant answer for one of those on the whole pretty bad "What makes you proud to be a New Zealander" ads – the sending of a frigate to protest French nuclear testing in the Pacific was not only a wonderful piece…

linger

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:38:23 +1300

We’ve discussed [accent in NZ broadcasts] before here.
Specifically, in the discussion on this thread.

Hilary Stace

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:27:02 +1300

I think those election ads were the work of young Bob Harvey. They were certainly memorable, and I still know the words. Kirk certainly had charisma. (But also some strange family members). The election system wasn't entirely fair either. Those were the days when it took fewer votes to elect…

Russell Brown

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:15:25 +1300

Tom Scott (baby-boomer cartoonist) and Tom Scott (Gen Y rapper) make an interesting comparison.

mark taslov

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:23:27 +1300

the accent seemed to change around 1980

An indefinite article is possibly more representative of emerging variants than the definite. Compare Tim Shadbolt/ Helen Clark/ Tom Scott. Jen?

Grant McDougall

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:30:13 +1300

It's incredible looking back that NZ went through five PMs in only three years. Holyoake resigned in early '72 with "Gentleman" Jack Marshall taking over, then Norman Kirk winning the '72 election, with Wallace "Bill" Rowling succeeding him as PM after his deeath in '74, then, of course, Robert David…

Gabor Toth

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:23:34 +1300

Also worth a look is Labour's remarkable cinema / television campaign advertisement from the 1969 election. Admittedly it didn't work quite as well as Labour hoped as they lost the election but in terms of its message, the extraordinary multiple split-screen technique on 35mm film (very innovative for the time)…

Russell Brown

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:55:26 +1300

The NZ accent, as portrayed in the TVNZ clip, seemed a bit more “English” in 1972 than today? At least among the majority of those speaking on camera?

Yes. We've discussed that before here. Like many other things, the accent seemed to change around 1980, perhaps because the US and…

Sacha

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 11:27:26 +1300

Recommend the Voyage for any Wellingtonians interested in a roundup of our situation you won't read in the newspapers. Michele A'Court was also concisely insightful about the topic at the Auckland version. More than entertainment.

dc_red

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:46:50 +1300

The NZ accent, as portrayed in the TVNZ clip, seemed a bit more "English" in 1972 than today? At least among the majority of those speaking on camera?

Public Address

Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:46:50 +1300

Discussion from blog post.