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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>My brain is only operating on 20 watts of energy.</q><br />I think those bio wet cell batteries run around 12.5 watts with a good supply of potassium and sodium and efficient myelin insulation on the synaptic axons.<br />Sounds 'dim' but it keeps multiple 'ions' in the fire, without setting the…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						They're full 1080p capable now, amirite?
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						The displays keep getting sharper.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Tonight's show should come up pretty well. Glenda Hughes was good value, and had some comments on offering advice to, er, difficult clients.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:05:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>There's a lot of goodwill around those kinds of orders.</q></p><p>Unless you're an arrogant blowhard like Slater.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:58:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steven Price</title>
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						<p>Steve: Sure, I accept that. But that's still different, I think, from the information being on the front page of the tabloids. You're right that whatever residual privacy remains after twitter will vary from case to case.<br />As for victim details, my main point was that if we accept the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:43:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<p><q>And isn’t there a difference between having your identity known to thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of people on twitter, and having it published to millions on the front page of The Sun?</q></p><p>Yeah, but it doesn't stay with the tens of thousands of twitterers. They then pass on the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 23:19:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>But “they” couldn’t injunct Slater to stop revealing suppressed names?</q></p><p>I think that's a case of laws not being able to stop someone being a dick. They're only able to try and deal with them afterwards.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 19:27:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>But “they” couldn’t injunct Slater to stop revealing suppressed names?</q></p><p>They pretty much did. That’s basically what a suppression order is.</p><p>He just ignored it. As indeed others could have over the identity of the Darren Hughes complainant.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 13:10:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>the 18-year-old who alleged that Darren Hughes sexually assaulted him managed to get an injunction in NZ against the publication of his name using the privacy tort.</q></p><p>But "they" couldn't injunct Slater to stop revealing suppressed names?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:57:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<q>I’m not aware that any NZ name suppression order been breached through twitter yet. Only a handful have been breached online. I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before someone twitters a suppressed name or one subject to an injunction. But we’re still a far cry from suppression orders…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:50:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<p><q>Twitter is it's own community. It hardly represents the masses, although Twitter users believe that it does.</q></p><p><em>Hashes to hashes, flunk to flunky<br />We know Major Jack's<br />a monkey<br />Strung out in heaven's thigh<br />Hitting an all-time, oh!</em></p><p><Characters remaining = 20></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:27:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>if we had celebrities… </q></p><p>Brutal.</p><p>Thanks Steven.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:03:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steven Price</title>
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						<p><q>Can I seek some commentary on how much the Giggs palaver has to do with the UK’s particular laws and precedents around privacy?</p><p>Is there a sense in which it couldn’t happen here?</q></p><p>The UK privacy laws started behind ours and have steamed ahead. 20 years ago UK judges were…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 09:51:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>although Twitter users believe that it does</q></p><p>Hardly. It's only about 75,000 people in NZ. Bookface on the other hand..</p>
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				<title>Jimmy D</title>
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						<p>Twitter is it's own community. It hardly represents the masses, although Twitter users believe that it does.<br />Still, in this context I see it as being akin to gossiping over the water cooler &ndash; multiplied thousands of times over to be sure, but no more important. To attempt to prosecute…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:32:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>just who was their marketing person?</q></p><p>Some genius. If they called it YACR (Yet Another Chat Room), only nerds would be using it. I presume "Hard Yakka" would become the new word for what was "Cyber" in the 90s.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 12:15:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Crowd Source Proofreading Dept</strong><br />Reporting for duty as requested, Sah!<br /><em>Thomas – who has previously been <strong>acsused</strong> of planning to sell the story of her fling with Giggs...</em></p><p>also I wondered if you meant to call this post<br /><em>We are all <strong>a</strong> twitter</em><br />&ndash; ie: in a state of agitation…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 11:25:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Any control you think you have over material on Facebook is purely illusory</q></p><p><a href="http://www.mattmckeon.com/facebook-privacy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Totally</a>. <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebook-timeline/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">agree</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 10:17:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>* politicians can stuff off – today is about us the voters;<br />* we want people to be able to vote without being harassed by people outside polling places who might scare them off: can’t be bothered going through all that, etc;<br />* we actually like the serenity – it…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 09:57:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Can I seek some commentary on how much the Giggs palaver has to do with the UK’s particular laws and precedents around privacy?</p><p>Is there a sense in which it couldn’t happen here?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 09:53:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p><q>Twitter is, admittedly, different and more public in that respect.</q></p><p>Not to teach anyone here how to suck eggs, but this is the nub of the issue.  What "public" means has changed since the introduction of the Internet, and it's that bit that's rendered the law outdated.  </p><p>Personally I don't…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>Is Facebook public? I can control who reads what I put on it, can’t I?</p><p>You can, but many don’t</q></p><p>Any control you think you have over material on Facebook is purely illusory.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 09:00:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Is Facebook public? I can control who reads what I put on it, can't I?</q></p><p>You can, but many don't.</p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p>Well, if it's so clear-cut, what about these tweets:</p><p>"Voted National today. Yum-cha for lunch"</p><p>or</p><p>"Voted National today. Yay for them!"</p><p>Both illegal and threatening democracy as we know it?</p>
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				<title>Philippa17</title>
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						Speaking of libel, Glenda Hughes is an interesting character. Tony Veitch was one of her clients. Unlike lawyers, PR hacks can and do choose who they represent and she had no qualms about working for a wife beater. I met her at a party once in 2008 and she started…
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<p><q>You can’t take out an ad in the newspaper either. </q></p><p>No, but there seems to be quite a big difference between taking out an ad and joining a discussion forum/joining a group of people at the pub. I'm talking about discussion forums, in particular Facebook, being rather like 'real' discussions.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 03:11:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						All this nonsense is a smokescreen, for what I have yet to figure out but you can bet your ass it won't be in the interests of democracy.
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p>You can't take out an ad in the newspaper either. When you put something out in public, where even you can't control who reads/hears it, you become a publisher. Get over it.</p><p>The problem with allowing exceptions is that people regard them as loopholes and drive trucks through them, then…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 22:57:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<p><q>We have this law because:</p><p>* politicians can stuff off – today is about us the voters;<br />* we want people to be able to vote without being harassed by people outside polling places who might scare them off: can’t be bothered going through all that, etc;<br />* we actually…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 22:30:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>So, the logic goes, if you disallow advertising you’ll make coercion harder too. Also, as “Gandalf” noted in the Harold comments yesterday:</p><p>__There should be no electioneering on election day. If we remove all restrictions on election day advertising you will get massive inflammatory lying rhetoric from large organised groups,…</q></p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Why wouldn’t they just move that rhetoric to the day before, then. There would still be no right of reply, as no one could respond on election day.</q></p><p>Well, quite &mdash; I don't think it was a coincidence that Jim Bolger waited until his last television interview of the campaign…</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<p><q>If we remove all restrictions on election day advertising you will get massive inflammatory lying rhetoric from large organised groups, a real problem as there is no time for a right of reply. </q></p><p>Why wouldn't they just move that rhetoric to the day before, then. There would still be no…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>We have this law because:</p><p>* politicians can stuff off – today is about us the voters;<br />* we want people to be able to vote without being harassed by people outside polling places who might scare them off: can’t be bothered going through all that, etc;<br />* we actually…</q></p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						It seems to me that all these arguments against electioneering on election day are based on some pretty elaborate strawmen. I suppose I don't really care either way, but we are talking about a law that could fine you $20,000 for an indiscreet tweet or facebook status. Man, you must…
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						<p><q>Does that actually happen everywhere else?</q></p><p>Not everywhere, but it does happen. The hard thing is to draw the line between advertising and coercion. So, the logic goes, if you disallow advertising you'll make coercion harder too. Also, as <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10728823&amp;commentid=426861" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"Gandalf" noted in the Harold comments yesterday</a>:</p><p><q>There should be no electioneering…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 19:27:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						Sorry, I edited, recordari…  I'll STFU.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 19:06:15 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>I recommend a postal vote?</q></p><p>When voters go postal, we're really in trouble.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 19:03:22 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>who might scare them off:</q></p><p>Again, regardless of how much I enjoyed your post in 2008, it seems the case invariably necessitates recourse to them….these…those… weak willed straw men and lasses.  Considering our votes are confidential, if someone is campaigning for a particular candidate, how would it be in their…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 18:59:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>we actually like the serenity</q></p><p>+1</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 18:54:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><q>we want people to be able to vote without being harassed by people outside polling places who might scare them off: can’t be bothered going through all that, etc;</q></p><p>Does that actually happen everywhere else?</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>My main peeve with it is that it implies that New Zealanders are inherently fools, gullible and easily swayed off an opinion by any old gambit, which A; I’ve found not to be the case, and B; is not a lot to live up to.</p><p>To laud such a law…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 18:46:38 +1200</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>You’ve been living in China too long, sir.</p></blockquote><p>That's beside the point Sacha ; ) There are countless democracies without this kind of law. When we take a macro view of our own, who's to say the system is any fairer with this anachronism. My main peeve with it is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 17:56:04 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Which of the stages of grief is delusional amnesia?</q></p><p>There's a special <strong>8th Stage</strong> just for West Ham supporters</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<p><q>   How did West Ham go this season?</p><p>    Finished bottom and relegated.</p><p>I know. I just wanted Pete to say it :-) </q></p><p>Which of the stages of grief is delusional amnesia?  :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 17:28:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>You could report 10,000 people :-)</q></p><p>That sounds like a lot of work.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 17:22:48 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>do away with the law, problem solved</q></p><p>You've been living in China too long, sir.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 17:22:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Kind of difficult to figure out who would be harmed by twittering on election day.</p><p>The law itself seems to imply that last minute electioneering is unfair in some mysterious way, to whom?</p></blockquote><p>Quite. The law is bordering on the superstitious and clearly lacks the spokes to roll   in the…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>So 10,000 people could self-report? Not saying they should, but presumably they could.</q></p><p>You could report 10,000 people :-)</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Rick’s comment above suggests that the Norwich Pharmacal rule means they could. Whether they would is another matter.</q></p><p>That's a civil matter. We're talking about the criminal jurisdiction here.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>The job of enforcing this lies with the police, to whom the Electoral Commission refers these matters: yo, police, Twitter account “NZerforNZFirst” tweeted “don’t fuget to vot winstin da man” at 11am on polling day, can you look into it? That sort of thing.</q></p><p>So 10,000 people could self-report? Not…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Graeme, how much ability would the NZ authorities have to seek information on Twitter users in the US?</q></p><p><a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/3062/?p=214970#post214970" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rick’s comment above</a> suggests that the Norwich Pharmacal rule means they could. Whether they would is another matter.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Does that mean that the NZ government couldn’t get a court order against Twitter?</q></p><p>I don't want to be too definitive (not knowing US law as well as one might), but yes.</p><p>Even if Twitter was based in New Zealand they couldn't get the information, unless Twitter volunteered it.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I didn’t say it was hard. I said it cost money, which the Electoral Commission is unlikely to have. They’ll be funded for an expected level of electoral crime. But if there are thousands of cases, then they won’t be able to enforce the law.</q></p><p>The job of enforcing this…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Graeme, how much ability would the NZ authorities have to seek information on Twitter users in the US? </p><p>I know extradition demands a similar offence in both jurisdictions, so (even if electoral offences were extraditable) they wouldn’t be able to because the US had no restrictions on polling day propaganda…</p>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						Aren't these websites based in the USA, or at least not in NZ? Hence it's not actually publishing here... anyone?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 16:30:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						<p><q>How did West Ham go this season</q></p><p>Dear God Russell &ndash; say you're not a Manure fan!</p><p>There is no good reason to be such a person, unless you have family connections to United fandom. Anyone but them.</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>It really doesn't sound that hard.</q></p><p>I didn't say it was hard.  I said it cost money, which the Electoral Commission is unlikely to have.  They'll be funded for an expected level of electoral crime.  But if there are thousands of cases, then they won't be able to enforce the…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>In other words, it’s a bit like the rule that everyone over 18 must be registered to vote (I think…) and open to prosecution if not. Of course no one’s every prosecuted for not registering, but the Commission is obliged to at least put up the window dressing.</q></p><p>Not quite.…</p>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<p><q>The sense of solemn occasion would be harmed.</q></p><p>Boohoo.  The Act-ing up party (ies) might make this solemnity of which you speak a case of wishful thinking, with or without the help of social media.</p><p><q>We are all Twitter!</q><br />I'm not.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>They could. But it costs money (money to pay lawyers to get user details out of twitter, money to draft letters, money to file cases, money to settle, money to build the courthouses and pay the judges to decide the extra cases for those who won't).</q></p><p>and</p><p><q>They have to…</q></p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p>Regarding the Electoral Commission's and twitter, I think it's doing so so it can simply say they've made a call on it. <br />In other words, it's a bit like the rule that everyone over 18 must be registered to vote (I think...) and open to prosecution if not. Of course…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Kind of difficult to figure out who would be harmed by twittering on election day.</p><p>The law itself seems to imply that last minute electioneering is unfair in some mysterious way, to whom?</q></p><p>The sense of solemn occasion would be harmed. And allowing people to badger you on the way…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Kind of difficult to figure out who would be harmed by twittering on election day.</p><p>The law itself seems to imply that last minute electioneering is unfair in some mysterious way, to whom?</p><p>As for breaching suppression &ndash; well suppression does good sometimes (most times) but many of he most…</p>
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				<title>Robert Fox</title>
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						<p><q>How did West Ham go this season?</q></p><p>That's just cruel.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>How did West Ham go this season?</em></p><p>Finished bottom and relegated.</q></p><p>I know. I just wanted Pete to say it :-)</p>
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						<p><q>How did West Ham go this season?</q></p><p>Finished bottom and relegated.</p>
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						<p><q>Can’t imagine many people (incl the Electoral Commission) having the wherewithal or inclination to bring an action against Twitter in California to find the ID multiple of pseudonymous tweeters.</q></p><p>Oddly enough, that's what happened in the South Tyneside case &mdash; although, obviously, that was a libel action pursued by the…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>We do have High Court and District Court Rules in NZ allowing pre-trial discovery</q></p><p>Wouldn't work. That's for civil cases.</p><p>The ordinary course for criminal cases is a search warrant.</p><p>However, the charge here is a fine-only summary offence, so that won't work. They can charge twitter, maybe, and a…</p>
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				<title>Rick Shera</title>
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						We do have High Court and District Court Rules in NZ allowing pre-trial discovery (based on the original UK Norwich Pharmacal orders) and they can be used to discover the name of an alleged infringer (defamation, copyright infringement, illegal bullying etc) from an ISP/host. But,since Twitter does not have a…
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I'm not so sure. They could just send fines to as many people as they can easily get, targeting people with the most followers, making the most posts, or the most obvious ones. </q></p><p>It's not an infringement offence like speeding where they can just fine you.</p><p>They have to issue…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>I'm not so sure. They could just send fines to as many people as they can easily get, targeting people with the most followers, making the most posts, or the most obvious ones.</q></p><p>They could.  But it costs money (money to pay lawyers to get user details out of twitter,…</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<p><q>How did West Ham go this season?</q></p><p>I can't recall. It was all so long ago...</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>I suspect it's the nature of Twitter that organising masses of identical tweets in support of your party flooding Twitter on election day might be... a tad counter-productive.</q></p><p>Politicians and their hacks are too thick to understand a "no circulars" sign on my letterbox; I doubt they're bright enough to…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Realistically, they're screwed &ndash; they're just not resourced for that level of infringement, and PRwise its a nightmare. </q></p><p>I'm not so sure. They could just send fines to as many people as they can easily get, targeting people with the most followers, making the most posts, or the most obvious…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>How the world turns eh?</q></p><p>How did West Ham go this season?</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						Not to entirely threadjack, but it's been quite a week for Ryan Giggs and his old red nosed father. First all this superinjunction malarkey, then SAF being caught on mic being an absolute jerk getting a journalist banned from future Manchester Utd press conferences simply for mentioning Giggs' name, and…
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q> Basically, they're just going to have to turn a blind eye, unless political parties organise it </q></p><p>I suspect it's the nature of Twitter that organising masses of identical tweets in support of your party flooding Twitter on election day might be... a tad counter-productive.</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<q>But what say 10,000 New Zealand Twitter users wrote flagrantly infringing messages? Or even the same flagrantly infringing message? Who do you charge there? The Electoral Commission is talking tough (see the update at the bottom of Toby's blog post), but exactly what would it do in the face of…</q>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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