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Kumara Republic

Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:32:03 +1300

Well you can't say they aren't efficient...now they're generating scandals before the judges even show up to work:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/67459859/new-x-factor-judge-shelton-woolright-defends-use-of-blackface

*sigh*

What if he got something similar to the Haka Party incident of 1979 dished out to him?

Kumara Republic

Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:30:26 +1300

Wouldn't provision of a dedicated YouTube channel (or parallel public-access portal) address both concerns at practically zero cost?

I suspect also that computer-based devices still have a steeper learning curve than switching on a TV.

andin

Sun, 22 Mar 2015 19:45:48 +1300

No. But he was trying to make a point in his limited journalistic way. And journalism is a limiting way of looking at life. His point? This:

The affair is important because of what it says about the way we treat each other today. It demonstrated that the most vicious…

SteveH

Sun, 22 Mar 2015 15:40:19 +1300

Right. I wasn't really expecting them to apologise, though it would have been the smart thing to do. I was more stuck by how much of the media were treating their statements as apologies when they clearly weren't.

Sofie Bribiesca

Sun, 22 Mar 2015 09:57:27 +1300

Paul Little in the Herald sums up. Rather well I think.

Sofie Bribiesca

Sun, 22 Mar 2015 09:38:18 +1300

Narcissists don't apologise. It's beneath them. John Key is a good example. I doubt that incident was scripted. It was so stupid. But they seem to be saying they were encouraged by management, which in their minds, (no matter how small) vindicates their behaviour. Bullies are bastards and we have…

SteveH

Sat, 21 Mar 2015 22:04:41 +1300

Even if what they said was scripted, they still said it. They are the ones that did the bullying, and caused the hurt. They should be the first to apologise, whether or not others are also culpable. "I was just following orders" really doesn't excuse their behaviour.

Sofie Bribiesca

Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:07:16 +1300

Still not an actual apology from either of them

Why would they apologise? They are insinuating that TV3 called for her behaviour and his "highly opinionated" comment suggests him also, therefore vis-a-vis they have nothing to apologise for.
I don't watch or like this sort of programme but the show…

SteveH

Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:38:58 +1300

Natalia Kills says what we all thought was the case: they were “encouraged to be outspoken and things got out of hand.” Yeah, duh.

Willy Moon tweets in similar vein.

Still not an actual apology from either of them. Just a plea to be forgiven.

A C Young

Fri, 20 Mar 2015 15:04:38 +1300

Well you can't say they aren't efficient...now they're generating scandals before the judges even show up to work:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/67459859/new-x-factor-judge-shelton-woolright-defends-use-of-blackface

*sigh*

nzlemming

Thu, 19 Mar 2015 22:41:57 +1300

Two more people I've never heard of. Wasn't planning on watching, anyway ;-)

Russell Brown

Thu, 19 Mar 2015 19:38:46 +1300

Natalia Kills says what we all thought was the case: they were "encouraged to be outspoken and things got out of hand." Yeah, duh.

Willy Moon tweets in similar vein.

New judges. Possibly a bit desperate.

Sacha

Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:07:56 +1300

I would bet a Jamie Curry youtube video is viewed by a bigger audience than the X Factor

but not a bigger *NZ* audience.

NZ on Air needs to somehow embrace two related functions (perhaps in more explicit joint work with other agencies) – showing us to ourselves, and showing…

Tom Semmens

Thu, 19 Mar 2015 12:48:56 +1300

There’s still a massive gulf between broadcast and online audiences.

I would bet a Jamie Curry youtube video is viewed by a bigger audience than the X Factor, and she has never received one red cent of taxpayer's money.

Maybe she should? She is funny, engaging, and very, very New…

Russell Brown

Thu, 19 Mar 2015 09:03:42 +1300

Wouldn’t provision of a dedicated YouTube channel (or parallel public-access portal) address both concerns at practically zero cost?

There's still a massive gulf between broadcast and online audiences. Anyway, gotta go, but I'll carry on this korero this afternoon :-)

Russell Brown

Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:48:53 +1300

just for the record – despite my criticism, it would be a bit unfair to not recognise that allocating limited funding across a wide pool of applicants – and taking into account some of the more opaque factors – must be a bugger of a job

It really must, especially…

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:32:30 +1300

Wiki sez Freeview has 30 channels.
Must be some space in there somewhere :)

If only there was a free-to-air channel showing the best of NZ funded TV – like Heartland (but not behind Sky's paywall)...

fraser munro

Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:17:37 +1300

Nz on Air do…

linger

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:11:54 +1300

There’s a straightforward solution, of course: a properly-resourced public broadcaster.
Although even then, as is the case at Radio New Zealand, there’s still a case for some form of audience measurement.
Wouldn't provision of a dedicated YouTube channel (or parallel public-access portal) address both concerns at practically zero cost?

Rob Stowell

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:58:45 +1300

And which networks will screen these programmes that attract half a dozen viewers, and at what time of day?

Wiki sez Freeview has 30 channels. Must be some space in there somewhere :)
I know the current NZ on Air charter wouldn't allow it, but I'm not alone in thinking…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:40:12 +1300

But only we can devise something better than the deeply flawed and deceitful Peoplemeter measurement, and the even worse radio ratings sweeps.

The Peoplemeter system should have been unplugged with the analogue TV network. With digital TV it's theoretically less cumbersome to track viewing habits.

Kumara Republic

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:36:44 +1300

It’s a myth that pork creates jobs. Mostly, it just changes them and moves them around – making people work in the pork-barrelled industry or move to the favoured region.

Maybe, if there were a pool of unskilled, hard to employ people, some sort of hole digging and filling project…

Geoff Lealand

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:34:19 +1300

But only we can devise something better than the deeply flawed and deceitful Peoplemeter measurement, and the even worse radio ratings sweeps.

Russell Brown

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:19:34 +1300

But IMO NZ on Air shouldn’t be ratings driven; it should fund on potential contribution to NZ culture – even if only half-a-dozen people see it.

And which networks will screen these programmes that attract half a dozen viewers, and at what time of day? Will not happen.

It's just…

Russell Brown

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:15:18 +1300

(and then trying to claim they are docos – do they still do that?)

THIS. This drives me nuts. It's hard for NZ On Air, because most of the network screening commitments they get for documentary funding are things are really aren't documentaries. At best, they're "obs-docs".

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:58:03 +1300

TV ‘ratings’ are a one-off randomised (what’s on the other channel?) metric anyway; they’re for advertisers and NZ on Air shouldn’t jump on board.
But don't both TV and Newspapers nowadays only see the advertisers as their clients, not the viewers and readers?

Rob Stowell

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:17:26 +1300

the wider skill set and roles of TV/film production right from IP through to post. Funding shows that have a wider industry involvement will bear more fruit for eveyone IMO

of course thats just a gut feeling so happy to be proven wrong

I reckon you’re spot-on here. If one…

fraser munro

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:56:51 +1300

i would argue that broadcast doesnt win – it, and the local industry, suffers over the long term.

Its an issue bigger than just the x-factor. A decision to not fund more x-factor isnt a signal of any fundamental change at NZ on air. You only get a limited run…

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:48:46 +1300

It's a myth that pork creates jobs. Mostly, it just changes them and moves them around – making people work in the pork-barrelled industry or move to the favoured region.

Maybe, if there were a pool of unskilled, hard to employ people, some sort of hole digging and filling project…

fraser munro

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:43:47 +1300

true enough russel – im more talking the wider skill set and roles of TV/film production right from IP through to post. Funding shows that have a wider industry involvement will bear more fruit for eveyone IMO

this continual funding of imported formats (and then trying to claim they are…

George Darroch

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:27:41 +1300

If this is representative, the people that they use for their ratings game are utterly pliable and thrilled to be made into 'stars'. It's not a talent show, it's an entertainment platform.

https://twitter.com/HungryPeachBoy/status/577956597705519105

Kumara Republic

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:52:03 +1300

All of this – once again – raises the question of why such imported format shows even get NZ on Air funding

Probably for the same reasons an aluminium smelter gets $30m or a casino nearly got $150m.

bob daktari

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:48:47 +1300

They were never going to fund another season, made it quite clear when this current funding was announced... good PR by the agency – story of this whole affair all round really... everyone gets their drama no real victims... well two former pop stars perhaps

"NZ on Air announced today…

Russell Brown

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:02:54 +1300

but writers, producers, directors, actors, designers, technicians etc etc etc – as a whole – simply arent even in the picture. Then theres the added issue of the downwards spiral of whats on screen, and how that in turn feeds back into the industry

To be fair, X Factor is…

fraser munro

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 08:19:54 +1300

All of this – once again – raises the question of why such imported format shows even get NZ on Air funding

Its an imported format, with set rules of structure and production, that cuts out massive sectors of our creative industry in order to show a tiny bunch of…

Mike O'Connell

Wed, 18 Mar 2015 08:06:45 +1300

The 'play within the play', an example of meta theatre. Shakespeare used it in Hamlet. Maybe the Romans were on lead and didn't notice! It became a much riskier affair in front of the likes of Henry VIII.

Rich of Observationz

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 20:25:04 +1300

That "actor" concept is really out there.

Apparently in the olden days they used to have many such people who "played" characters in "plays" and "films". They could even do all sorts of bad shit "on stage" such as murdering the Roman Emperor, and they didn't even get in any…

Sacha

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 17:26:36 +1300

NZ on Air had already decided not to subsidise future series of X Factor.

BenWilson

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:51:45 +1300

Really really really no small safety net?

It's close enough to live that they couldn't edit that sequence out. Nor do I think they really would anyway – it didn't violate broadcasting standards. It was just nasty. The judge appraisal of the performances is also part of the show -…

Mike O'Connell

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 15:30:01 +1300

Michele A'Court has also weighed in on the X Factor The problem with putting real people on TV. Interestingly,she doesn't mention Moon and Kills by name. She also suggests a different model for reality TV – fakes. E.g. the House (medic) character of recent seasons.

Alan Perrott

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:35:11 +1300

looks like we got the makings of a Project Runway club here.

steve black

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:22:05 +1300

@ Russell (or anybody else who knows for sure)

So are we to believe that this show is really really really live and sent direct to air? I’m under the impression that what goes to air is filmed earlier (perhaps the same day, perhaps a 5 minute delay, perhaps 5…

BenWilson

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:36:38 +1300

The only reality I've committed to watching over the years are the Contender types ones. They take people who are already good fighters, but missed their chance for whatever reason (usually they're too old), and they have a monster training camp with some sort of prize (typically a contract) at…

Kumara Republic

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:38:54 +1300

My pop-psychology theory is Clarkson is burnt out and bored of the show and is (sub-consciously?) pushing the boundaries to see how much it takes to get himself sacked.

It explains why his humour has gotten far more puerile and contrived in recent years.

Danielle

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:30:40 +1300

I, too, have a soft spot for the home reno shows. I think I'm the only person in the world who finds Kevin McLeod rather insufferable but I really enjoy that show partly for that reason. There is much derisive squawking at his antics and monologues in our house. I…

SteveH

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:29:36 +1300

I like the UK MasterChef, because it is a reality TV show that doesn’t forget it is about cooking. Apparently, the Australian version, which I stopped watching when it turned into a soap opera targeted at high school kids, suffered a big ratings drop until it also returned to its…

Paul Rowe

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:29:03 +1300

Theodore Roosevelt:

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and…

Sofie Bribiesca

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:13:24 +1300

Way to turn tweets into a herald story.Cupcakes an' all

Lucy Telfar Barnard

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:08:59 +1300

Ah, OK. We're not a Sky household

Bart Janssen

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:03:00 +1300

don’t think it’s been on here for a while?

On Vibe Thurs 9:30 pm repeated Sunday 7:30 pm

nzlemming

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:01:29 +1300

I don't count the Living Channel as "reality TV" ;-) Things like Grand Designs, A Place in the Country and the wonderful Mike Holmes are more like soft documentaries with feelgood tossed in. It's the competitive formats I can't stand.

Bart Janssen

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:57:23 +1300

really creative

For me that is the attraction of Project Runway. Some (not all) of the people are very talented and I actually enjoy watching talented people do what they do.

Same applies to British Masterchef and my all time favourite cooking show Great British Menu where it's not unusual…

Sofie Bribiesca

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:54:26 +1300

If only someone made a cut-down version …

That's easy, I booked the Block Oz for Mondays, One gets to see the reveal without the bullshit. I booked the Auction out of interest at the end but. Saved putting up with the crap on the way. Totally a cut-down version.…

Tom Semmens

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:50:39 +1300

Clarkson might have the "she has got a moustache" brigade rallying to his cause, but in the UK itself as far as I can tell everyone who counts from right to left in the political spectrum basically think he's cooked his own goose. It is impossible to defend someone (or…

Sofie Bribiesca

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:46:03 +1300

I got a ph call one day. It was a person from a Production Co. They had heard about my dispute with my neighbour who felled an enormous tree. The Council had asked them for a stay of execution whilst the street was heard, much like the Kauri of last…

dcrobertson01

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:40:06 +1300

The BBC News Quiz said the Clarkson incident happened after a long day filming 'Last of the summer wine'

Sacha

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:39:10 +1300

I do tend to enjoy the actual design and building bits of The Block (the faux drama I can live without)

If only someone made a cut-down version ...

Russell Brown

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:28:47 +1300

Big ratings boost for X Factor last night.

Russell Brown

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:27:46 +1300

Moon and Kills made the mistake of taking “highbrow” reality TV, with its feel-good pretence that it really about unearthing talent, and taking the show down to the level of the “real trash”. They were told to be cruel, but only in the “being cruel to be kind” kind of…

Tom Semmens

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:26:12 +1300

izogi

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:24:35 +1300

But never Survivor, nor American Idol/Country X has Talent/The X-factor, nor Big Brother. So maybe it’s a case of “pick your reality poison”?

Survivor aside, there’s also a whole genre of Survival shows out there from the last few years, many trying to copy the likes of Bear Grylls’ success…

Bart Janssen

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:14:36 +1300

My weakness is Project Runway and I do tend to enjoy the actual design and building bits of The Block (the faux drama I can live without).

Note this does not exclude me from being a prole and I am certainly an idiot on many many many occasions.

Russell Brown

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:09:35 +1300

the Great British Bakeoff.

It's hard to over-emphasise how big that show has been. It was literally the most popular show on BBC Two before it was shifted to BBC One.

Additional thing in its favour: the Daily Mail complained about the hosts' "smutty" innuendos.

By comparison, __New Zealand's Hottest…

Russell Brown

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:01:20 +1300

An update on on Dan News’s YouTube clip of the incident. Now closing in on three million views inside 48 hours.

Lucy Telfar Barnard

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 09:52:40 +1300

ZOMG, I totally forgot Project Runway, which, yes, definitely watched (don't think it's been on here for a while?). And also "What Not to Wear", and the first couple of seasons of NZ Masterchef, and the Great British Bakeoff.

In the property/renovation space, my current poisons are "Location, Location, Location",…

izogi

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 09:47:13 +1300

We never had as many of the cruelty-based formats as other countries. I was told that it got too hard to get people to agree to go on Celebrity Treasure Island and it faded. And Survivors et al just seem to be full of the kind of people I strive…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 08:34:14 +1300

ProjRun and Top Chef are both pretty consistently great. All the contestants are either really creative or completely wackadoo (the best are both), and the judges generally walk the fine line between entertainingly snotty and reasonably constructive (I do lament the departure of Michael Kors, though. His dated-but-pointed metaphors were…

Geoff Lealand

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 08:16:16 +1300

Yes, Julie Christie can be held culpable for much of this, from tortuous formats to renovation shows as extended advertising breaks. Now, as a pal of National, she is getting a bunch of money to help decide whether we need a new flag.

Sacha

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 07:01:13 +1300

Drinnan notes how this fits with Mediaworks' overall punt on reality telly, led by Julie Christie.

A reliance on reality TV has been evident since Christie joined the MediaWorks board in June last year as it emerged from receivership. Last month – in a an unorthodox decision – she was named…

SteveH

Tue, 17 Mar 2015 01:52:15 +1300

The Mirror has jumped on it.

nzlemming

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 23:31:19 +1300

Conspiracy theory over at the Throng. Calling Dr Ransome!

Danielle

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:53:54 +1300

Hilary Stace

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:32:48 +1300

The only judge I had ever heard of before they appeared as judges was Rachel Hunter. But I think she's on the other show. Pity because she always had a kind word for everyone, and wore some nice frocks.

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:30:13 +1300

I once had a weakness for the various “Next Top Model"s, though not for some years now.

Fiona really likes Project Runway, which is very much in the genre, but uses contestants who have already made some career headway.

And I used to like the home renovation shows, before the…

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:19:02 +1300

Ali Campbell was on NZ’s Got Talent, it was Daniel Beddingfield who filled in the X-Factor role.

D'oh!

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:18:29 +1300

I presume many other people have suggested this, but it doesn’t strike me as very likely that the first simile someone born in 1989 would reach for is a 1960 Hitchcock reference.

Mixed up with the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, so not very coherent.

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 22:17:17 +1300

the KillMoons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWz0JC7afNQ

too soon?

Seriatim

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:57:59 +1300

Hey – no Project Runway??

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:16:10 +1300

Is part of the deal with these shows that not only are the competitors required to be walk-up rubes with no agent, but the judges are required to have no professional representation as well?

Because either this is the case, or those two had a crap agent, or they’ll be…

Ethan Tucker

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:15:15 +1300

I presume many other people have suggested this, but it doesn't strike me as very likely that the first simile someone born in 1989 would reach for is a 1960 Hitchcock reference. But then thankfully I know nothing about the chap, other than the UK music mag review that said…

Seriatim

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:13:28 +1300

oooh, there's a few snobs 'ere, innit? Strongly recommend you go online (since you aint even got a telly, of course) and watch contestant Beau Monga on demand. I love the chaos of these stupid shows for the diamonds they sometimes unearth, and he's one, alright.

Lucy Telfar Barnard

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:00:05 +1300

It's alright Danielle, we know you're neither a prole nor an idiot, so you're allowed to watch reality TV/talent shows (particularly if it means I don't have to...). I once had a weakness for the various "Next Top Model"s, though not for some years now. And I used to like…

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:52:01 +1300

Kinda with Craig on this. Whether any of it’s planned or not, it’s all a massive set piece.

I find it quite hard to believe, in this case. I think something quite unusual just happened.

There are already conspiracy theories that the whole thing is a set-up, but they ignore…

Pete Sime

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:24:58 +1300

Crikey. The Dan News YouTube video embedded in the post above just passed 800,000 views. It will get close to a million in its first day online.

The video made it to the front page of reddit and was the top link on r/videos for a while today.

Matthew Littlewood

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:18:20 +1300

But in series one, Ali Campbell was unenthralling as a judge. It turned out he had drinking and heath issues and wasn't that happy

Ali Campbell was on NZ's Got Talent, it was Daniel Beddingfield who filled in the X-Factor role. He seemed to want to use the role to…

Danielle

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:08:11 +1300

Just a tiny reminder that characterising everyone who watches reality TV or talent shows or what-have-you as proles or idiots is rather off-putting.

SteveH

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 20:03:28 +1300

All I'm interested in at this point is the apology. There hasn't yet been one, has there?

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:58:26 +1300

Oddly as cutting, and yes nasty, as Mr Cowell could be, he mostly stayed focused on talent and whether he believed, based on his experience, the artist could succeed and make Cowell some more money.

Bad judge is bad.

I think it might come down to this: they weren’t up…

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:45:38 +1300

And nobody satirises a popular culture event like The Civilian does. Bam.

BenWilson

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:07:20 +1300

Yeah I wrote something to that effect about Cowell but realized I've only like watched 20 episodes tops, which really makes me a n00b. But his online greatest insults were mostly about the acts. Because an insult is much more cutting when it's true. Otherwise it's just about the insulter.

BenWilson

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:04:54 +1300

Are we now seeing the dark side of the moon?

The back side, anyway.

Come on guy’s,isn’t this exactly how this show is supposed to go.

Well it's nice and dramatic now. I'll probably watch tonight, at least the start of it. They could have a reaction shot of the…

Bart Janssen

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 19:01:18 +1300

Come on guy’s

I'm going to insult your clothes and style choices because your grammar is bad. None of which has anything to do with your point.

That is my problem with Kills. She could have criticised ability but instead, like me above, she chose an irrelevant personal attack. Oddly…

Geoff Lealand

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 18:55:52 +1300

Are we now seeing the dark side of the moon?

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 18:50:11 +1300

Crikey. The Dan News YouTube video embedded in the post above just passed 800,000 views. It will get close to a million in its first day online.

Mike O'Connell

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 18:13:25 +1300

I know it must be the killing time...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LWz0JC7afNQ

Brett

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:45:36 +1300

Come on guy's,isn't this exactly how this show is supposed to go.Simon Cowell is way more cutting and insulting.As far as I could see,these two could actually see talent when its in front of them.As for the other two,after endless rubbish someone finally shows up with some talent and they…

Phil Wallington

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:23:50 +1300

Kills and Moon... was it a full moon that brought out the killer instinct?
Whatever... the show is a steaming pile of crap and even the most gullible must find it hard to discover anything good, i.e. a star might be born from the process.
X Factor time is time…

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:17:00 +1300

Not that I’m an expert, but wasn’t Shorty the highest earning property on TVNZ for a fair few years, but without being the most viewed, precisely due to engagement? That was a while ago, early 2000s, well before the social media juggernaut.

But engagement in the modern sense is inseparable…

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:16:31 +1300

According to Spaceweather:
The X-flare of March 11th might not be done affecting our planet. According to computer models, a CME propelled into space by the explosion will sideswipe Earth's magnetic field on Sunday, March 15th.
aha! – so that's what really happened on the X-Factor!
...and now Riff Raff…

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:08:51 +1300

ego-terrorism
For the win!

James Littlewood*

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:06:03 +1300

quite unusual

Don't people get sledged on these shows all the time? I'll admit the sacking doesn't happen. Not to judges anyway. Nice development, that.

Maybe the unusual bit is that the audience suddenly decided they'd had a gutsful and said so. At once.

It's all a bit Hunger Games/Running…

simon g

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:05:35 +1300

"Family First called for a boycott of the show." (Herald)

OK, so now we have to watch it.

Just waiting for the PM to join in:

"At the end of the day, we have to stand up to ego-terrorism. Childish insults like this are not acceptable on television. Also, Winston…

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 17:01:34 +1300

Kinda with Craig on this. Whether any of it’s planned or not, it’s all a massive set piece.

I find it quite hard to believe, in this case. I think something quite unusual just happened.

There are already conspiracy theories that the whole thing is a set-up, but they ignore…

Kumara Republic

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:54:31 +1300

I find it quite hard to believe, in this case. I think something quite unusual just happened.

Most likely the producers planned some kind of tension, only for it to turn against its master and take on a life of its own.

BenWilson

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:33:14 +1300

Kinda with Craig on this. Whether any of it’s planned or not, it’s all a massive set piece.

I find it quite hard to believe, in this case. I think something quite unusual just happened.

James Littlewood*

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:27:50 +1300

Kinda with Craig on this. Whether any of it's planned or not, it's all a massive set piece.

In fact, one could sympathise with the judges. Like the contestants, they're only doing what's expected of them and emulating the form of the tyrannical master Judge Cowell.

Just don't watch that…

James Littlewood*

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:08:24 +1300

Just to go back a few steps:

engagement isn't directly convertible into revenue

Not that I'm an expert, but wasn't Shorty the highest earning property on TVNZ for a fair few years, but without being the most viewed, precisely due to engagement? That was a while ago, early 2000s, well…

simon g

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:04:45 +1300

OK, so now I really have to watch X Factor tonight, when I haven't had the slightest interest since they had the Manic Street Preachers. Any chance the sacked judges will come storming on screen, take hostages and drop c-bombs? Any chance this won't be the lead story on TV3…

FletcherB

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:03:10 +1300

I’m cynical enough to wonder if even this firing was pre-scripted?

If the replacement judges are more famous, then I’d assume so.

If however, they are one-star judges, rather than the just fired two-star judges, (as Russell correctly noted in his post :D ), maybe it really did catch MediaWorks…

Pete Sime

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 16:00:27 +1300

as someone without telly and no particular desire to watch the clip in question this has been a most bewildering day.

I didn't watch it, but that doesn't mean I don't care. A lot of kids watch the show and it'd be good if they understood that kind of behaviour…

BenWilson

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:57:34 +1300

So this literally happened as the sun came out in Auckland....eerie.

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:53:08 +1300

as someone without telly and no particular desire to watch the clip in question this has been a most bewildering day
I think they have been 'voted off' the Islands...

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:34:48 +1300

Apparently they've been exiled to Clarkson Island:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMuO-8S_0Wg

Alan Perrott

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:34:13 +1300

as someone without telly and no particular desire to watch the clip in question this has been a most bewildering day.

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:22:10 +1300

The full press statement:

MEDIA RELEASE

Monday 16 March, 2015

THE X FACTOR JUDGES REMOVED

MediaWorks has today decided that Natalia Kills and Willie Moon are no longer suitable to judge The X Factor and have removed them from the show.

MediaWorks CEO, Mark Weldon, said that last night on…

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:11:18 +1300

Aaand ... this just in.

Husband-and-wife judging duo Natalia Kills and Willy Moon have been fired from The X Factor NZ, following a scathing attack on a contestant during Sunday night’s live show.

In a statement this afternoon, MediaWorks chief executive Mark Weldon said the decision had been made Kills…

bob daktari

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:09:34 +1300

I still think it calculated and imagine the victim was prepped to

Odd that this might be the bridge too far for the public when the handling of the convicted killer on the show wasn't...

Hilary Stace

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:06:51 +1300

They've been fired

Joe Wylie

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:38:31 +1300

Celebrity Rehab

You’re better informed than me, all I can offer is that I definitely don’t want to go there. From what I recall of Miller’s brainchild it was very much in the early Big Brother mould of creating the occasional celebrity from a crop of nobodies. Back then everyone…

nzlemming

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:28:48 +1300

While the wretched thing was rejected, I gather that they took the trouble to check out the legal implications before doing so.

Isn't that the basis for Celebrity Rehab that they do in the US (without the voting off)? I wouldn't know as I don't watch any "reality TV" but…

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:20:30 +1300

I do take your point, but I have been around people on too much P, and the incident did have a similar flavour of incoherent narcissism to that kind of noise.

Fair enough – I’m just cynical enough to think this is entirely calculated, but Gomez and Morticia went way…

Carol Stewart

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:16:51 +1300

the "Norman Bates" line was the kind of thing that I would consider clever "snark" if I read it in an online review or blog comment rather than on live TV

I thought the Doppelganger line sounded rehearsed as well.

Kumara Republic

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:12:15 +1300

So that’s two major sponsors and the funding agency. This isn’t really turning out as planned.

Could it be a turning point for reality TV? Or would it take the death of someone to get to that point?

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:11:43 +1300

The “bad” judges turned out to have rather too few boundaries.
...and quite a bit of personal baggage as well, it seems.
Still it's the pits at the kohl face...

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:08:38 +1300

Breaking News!
Willy Moon announces cover version of Mockers hit song!
My Girl Thinks she's Cleopatra' (at 11.40 in this Shazam! concert)
Resist the asp urges...
:- )

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:05:54 +1300

NZ on Air have just made their disapproval known as well, basically inviting people to complaint to Mediaworks.

So that's two major sponsors and the funding agency. This isn't really turning out as planned.

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 14:01:26 +1300

And the only thing that surprises me about this is that anyone is even pretending to be shocked at the entirely predictable results. This is NOTHING like drug addiction

I do take your point, but I have been around people on too much P, and the incident did have a…

Joe Wylie

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:50:06 +1300

This is NOTHING like drug addiction or mental illness; it’s exactly what corporate media do to get the only thing they give a shit about – ratings, media attention and revenue.

Back in the late 90s, after the first flush of Big Brother, Harry M. Miller pushed the envelope of…

Jason Kemp

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:45:29 +1300

Best not to give these shows any more oxygen. I note that MediaWorks are the same company attempting to resurrect Paul Henry for some more trolling around the media dregs so it obviously works for them.

Netflix, Hulu and other streaming channels are killing broadcast channels, We are just watching…

Dan Knox

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:34:10 +1300

I am glad Kieth Moon can't see how his grandson is behaving.

steve black

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:33:27 +1300

So has anybody else mentioned Ben Elton’s 2006 book Chart Throb yet?

Check it out. Once you read it none of these sorts of TV shows will surprise you ever again.

Plot summary on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chart_Throb

Ana Simkiss

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:32:24 +1300

NZ on Air have just made their disapproval known as well, basically inviting people to complaint to Mediaworks. The statement says:

We have advised TV3 that we are disappointed that the focus has been taken off the music. We do not condone bullying.

We’re not allowed editorial input into any…

Kumara Republic

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:26:53 +1300

The shit's hitting the fan a bit now:

McDonald's said this morning the comments made by Kills and Moon were unacceptable. "We have spoken to MediaWorks [the owners of TV3] regarding the incident involving Natalia Kills and Willy Moon, to make it clear that we believe the comments made were…

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:17:47 +1300

all style, no substance…
Moon and Kills are a pair of one hit poseurs, hearing the clip with her berating some poor guy for ‘stealing’ Willy Moon’s intellectual property is just laugh out loud batshit crazy!
Moon is channelling Bryan Ferry and Martin Fry (and many others) just as Kills…

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:07:54 +1300

The whole thing was the kind of bonkers we usually associate with meth addicts.

No – it’s exactly the kind of “bonkers” I associate with reality television’s law of diminishing returns. You’ve always got to go that little bit further, that little bit nastier, turn the humiliating screws that little…

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:50:51 +1300

this was bullying beyond the pale.

Yeah. It's just unfortunate that many New Zealanders seem to be responding to it by flooding Kills' social media channels with gendered abuse. Sigh.

BenWilson

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:50:20 +1300

Aren’t all of these shows based on the people copying other singers?

Yeah, it's 95% covers. There's definitely original stuff though. Loved the beatbox guy last night. I think you're right, though – the people who do original stuff don't last, and as the pressure racks up you tend to…

nzlemming

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:47:52 +1300

Heh. This is pretty amazing. The original is 'Prisencolinensinainciusol' by Adriano Celentano and Claudia Mori:

Shot for shot amazing. Like Rich, I've never heard of the besuited one and his Cleopatra look-alike wife, but even allowing for the formula (I'll take your word for it – I never watch these…

Sacha

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:36:35 +1300

is that his real twitter account?

apparently

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:33:49 +1300

:like:

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:33:20 +1300

I'm not sure Sid ever did a big entitled tanty about missing out on his parking space at a bakery.

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:32:49 +1300

This is a sort of parallel music business to the real one (where people make music, play gigs, create records and don't really expect to give up the day job), right?

Instead, you have a kind of lottery where the winner gets to become a celebrated generator of prolefeed and…

Man InTheStreet

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:30:31 +1300

I'm with Mr Moon here. Tony Wilson once asked Sid Vicious if he wrote for the man in the street. He replied "I've met the man in the street and he's a cunt."

Heather Gaye

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:27:41 +1300

HAHAHAHAHA, I actually like some of Willy Moon's stuff, but his entire career is appropriation. This whole thing is so embarrassing. What a wanker.

BenWilson

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:25:43 +1300

The next step is them racially abusing and then bashing their producer for not providing a hot meal after they've been to the pub for a few hours.

william blake

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:22:15 +1300

'Creative integrity'? Aren't all of these shows based on the people copying other singers? Do they ever have singer songwriters performing their own music? I don't think so and from what I have watched on the tube, the winners are quite average singers, not tone deaf and can carry a…

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:22:04 +1300

The shit's hitting the fan a bit now:

BenWilson

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:19:21 +1300

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to mashup Willy's influences.

It was pretty strange, out of context. In the context of the silly show, some silly barely knowns aping Simon Cowell badly is to be expected, which is, I think, why Joe actually cracked up to…

Sacha

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:11:57 +1300

Guess that's why they choose relative unknowns from another country, so the backlash doesn't matter to them. #nasty

Alex Coleman

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 12:09:09 +1300

The cycle, or whatever, of 'engagement' rolls on now with Kills and Moon (but notably Kills esp) catching a stepped up level of, even more horrid, abuse on their social media accts, which is followed by the tutt tutting, and the 'what is wrong with people'.

I blame the parents.…

Tamsin6

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:59:53 +1300

Pleased to see from the reaction of others that I am not the only non-resident kiwi frantically checking through various sources to find out whether I am utterly out of touch not to know who these judges are...

Daphne Lawless

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:56:44 +1300

I've never heard of any of the people involved until half an hour ago, but three points: (1) the "Norman Bates" line was the kind of thing that I would consider clever "snark" if I read it in an online review or blog comment rather than on live TV; (2)…

Sacha

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:55:17 +1300

Tweet shows even their fellow judge Stan Walker was more than a bit unimpressed.

Correction: not even deleted.

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:46:13 +1300

Heh. This is pretty amazing. The original is 'Prisencolinensinainciusol' by Adriano Celentano and Claudia Mori:

https://youtu.be/yYDEBCyatu8

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:46:00 +1300

I saw the article and thought "who the fuck is Willy Moon" or indeed "Natilia Kills".

I'm kind of glad to be sufficiently disengaged from the dumbgeist not to know.

Anyway, will he? And does she?

bob daktari

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:38:57 +1300

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8mduTEvnU0

Eediot

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:37:14 +1300

Love it. But it's gone already :-)
There's some pretty funny (and some childish) stuff here too: https://www.facebook.com/downwithnatalia

Steve Barnes

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:33:32 +1300

First singer to EVER wear a suit?
Well apart from....
Frank Sinatra.
Bing Crosby.
John Lennon
Paul Mccartney
Peter Gabriel
the list goes on...
and on.....
Oh. I geddit... ;-)

Sofie Bribiesca

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:31:50 +1300

Okay, this is actually quite funny.

So, he's a one hit wonder? I wonder, will he get one hit from a member of public or will more than one do a whole Jesse Ryder on his ass. And as for the first to wear a suit...
the guy's a dick…

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:26:38 +1300

"First singer ever to wear a suit"? Some people have unbelievably short memories and narrow minds. Maybe that's what meth does to you.

It's a mischievous edit riffing on last night's controversy.

Euan Mason

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:25:01 +1300

Okay, this is actually quite funny.

"First singer ever to wear a suit"? Some people have unbelievably short memories and narrow minds. Maybe that's what meth does to you.

Russell Brown

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:16:53 +1300

Okay, this is actually quite funny.

Kumara Republic

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:04:40 +1300

That they did might say something about their own pop careers. Does Moon really not have a reputation worth more than the few tens of thousands of dollars he’ll earn from contracting to a reality TV show? I suppose it’s all good fun until an outraged viewer assaults them in…

Public Address

Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:04:40 +1300

Discussion from blog post.