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Hilary Stace

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:46:25 +1200

The debate proposition is outdated in that it does not reflect an inclusive vision. It gives only two options – king or foot soldier. What about those generating content who are lower leg amputees, or who use wheelchairs? This moot therefore contravenes the Human Rights Act, the NZ Disability Strategy…

Rex Widerstrom

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:48:28 +1200

John Schofield

To answer Rex Widerstrom yes the material from the debate and the other presentations from the Online Advertising Symposium will be available online at www.internetbureau.co.nz within a week of the event.

Choice! So fascinating user-generated material will be made available even to those who, like myself, have contributed…

giovanni tiso

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:43:53 +1200

"when we talk about paid content we are referring to, for example, professionally produced tv shows, industry developed games, employed journalists' news articles, recorded news bulletins etc; and user generated content e.g. home-made movies, freeware games, blogs, citizen reporting etc."

At which point, if ever, does public address cease to…

chris mcnair

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:44:15 +1200

You need only look at the distribution of user generated vs commercial content on sites like Digg and Reddit to see that they are equally as important for a broad informational outlook. They compliment each other and have their own strengths whether it be blogs vs main stream media sites…

Lyndon Hood

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:59:56 +1200

The whole 'footsoldiers' thing does seem to suggest they're all working for the king. Or at least playing the same game*. Rather than raiding the king's stuff to have parties and fuel their own particular fires.

One also gets the idea we're supposed to be invading something. For the purposes…

Steve Barnes

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:02:14 +1200

Paid content is King – Cnut.

in trying to turn back the tide of the masses?

Steve Barnes

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:58:58 +1200

Shouldn't it be "Consumer Generated Media are the Foot Soldiers"? How can you take seriously a proposition that isn't even grammatical

I concur with Rich on this but it is common for the duality of plurality in plurals to be singularly vexing.

Don Christie

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:15:24 +1200

From that old Trademe home page:

Trade Me now has 4000 registered users. Site traffic for last month is up 100% to 500,000 page views per month!

Heady days.

Don Christie

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:13:19 +1200

Paid content is King – Cnut.

Steve Reeves

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:16:12 +1200

I'm sure the "if an infinite number of monkeys sat at an infinite number of typewriters they'd eventually produce the works of Shakespeare" conclusion comes into play here too---though I'd like to think the monkeys get paid (though numerically perhaps we look more like the monkeys.....)

Jake Pollock

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:52:11 +1200

The OED, which is paid content thinks that media can be used as either a plural or singular noun.

To be fair, the OED started out as user-generated content.

Paul Litterick

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:32:09 +1200

Consumer-generated media rules or rule: only on a site like this one will your readers write your argument for you.

Robyn Gallagher

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:06:12 +1200

In today's Observer, they take a look at "critics vs bloggers", i.e. professional critics whose reviews appear in printed media versus amateur critics whose reviews appear in blogs, and the ever blurring overlap.

John Schofield

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:58:49 +1200

Russell, great move taking the moot to the people. David Hamilton's reply is pure refined gold. You are going to have a ton of ammo for Thursday!

To answer Rex Widerstrom yes the material from the debate and the other presentations from the Online Advertising Symposium will be available online…

Russell Brown

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:23:50 +1200

There it is right there, Russell. I do believe Emma may well have won your debate for you.

That was pretty awesome, actually ...

Russell Brown

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:17:25 +1200

The OED, which is paid content thinks that media can be used as either a plural or singular noun.
Wiktionary which is user generated, concurs.

Bugger me. When did that happen?

Hilary Stace

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:12:26 +1200

I have a problem with the monarchist, militarist and sexist assumptions contained in the proposition as indicated by the words 'King' and ' foot soldier'. How about critiquing the underlying power relationships from a Marxist, Foucauldian or good old feminist perspective? Where do you go for a quick, clear, and…

Robyn Gallagher

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:27:55 +1200

This is possibly not totally relevant, but I thought it was worth mentioning anyway: the last time I bought a newspaper was in April, and that was for the sole purpose of using to pack my crockery when I was moving to Wellington.

Rich of Observationz

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:06:27 +1200

The OED, which is paid content thinks that media can be used as either a plural or singular noun.

Wiktionary which is user generated, concurs.

Jackie Clark

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:52:32 +1200

There it is right there, Russell. I do believe Emma may well have won your debate for you.

Emma Hart

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:21:58 +1200

No! They are the elite ninja commandos that go stealthily ashore into unexplored territory.

I was working on this idea, but it goes like this.

It's quite possible paid content IS king. Sits around at home doing the same thing every day, with very rigidly-defined limits to what it's allowed…

Paul Campbell

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:46:16 +1200

I'm sure there's an argument about poorly scripted commercial porn vs talented amateurs having fun there somewhere ....

David Hamilton

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:59:46 +1200

Paid content is to consumer generated media like Pacifier is to Shihad.

Evan Yates

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 00:32:40 +1200

Consumer Generated Media are not mere foot soldiers. No! They are the elite ninja commandos that go stealthily ashore into unexplored territory. They take the (old) guard by surprise and garotte the sentries in the watchtowers. They fight the vital battles that spike the guns and win the invasion. They…

Zippy Gonzales

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:40:34 +1200

We are not foot soldiers, we are conscientious objectors.

Robyn Gallagher

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:14:56 +1200

Ah, thanks for the descriptions!

Recently I saw I poll on Stuff.co.nz asking if it should be illegal for pregnant women to drink. The majority of respondents said yes. I was annoyed but also knew that there would be no reflection of this at Stuff. So I went over to…

Rex Widerstrom

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:54:42 +1200

Sure the whole "Slate" fiasco put paid to the argument that "paid content is king"?

Despite having some of the better-written content around, even the redoubtable Microsoft couldn't make enough to pay the piper, let along keep the king.

BTW can we access any of the Symposium material online? (After…

George Darroch

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:57:49 +1200

The problem with the very question is that increasingly, there isn't a line.

A lot of blogs and other websites I visit and use have advertising or a paypal button etc., that at partially compensates for the effort made. While the contributors to these sites would certainly be ill advised…

Geoff Lealand

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:51:30 +1200

... and to totally digress from the topic, go the All Blacks tonight!

I was at a conference at the Duxton Hotel in Wellington this week, where the Springboks were staying. They didn't look so big, close up!

Geoff Lealand

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:46:26 +1200

Russell:if we assume that selling something is the core4 of paid content, you could start with the old aphorism "Advertising works half the time but nobody knows which half". Variously attributed to Lord Kellogg (of corn-flake fame) and unknown sources. I have read recent revisions ie "Advertising works one-third of…

Raymond A Francis

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:12:10 +1200

Nice lines Keith and Steve

I am inclined to think we have reach a turning point where we, the great unwashed can, thanks to WWW really reach out and talk to with each other with out going through the choke point of the paid opinionated "experts"
Of course we have…

Keith Ng

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:48:35 +1200

If paid content was king, why is it that so many kings work so hard to pretend to be the foot soldiers?

Steve Barnes

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:44:19 +1200

Any one who claims "Paid content is King – Consumer Generated Media is the Foot Soldier". has fallen at the first hurdle of on-line media understanding. The backbone of the Web is the people that use it, the end user. Why go to a website to read the opinions of…

Russell Brown

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:35:17 +1200

Is paid content where the author has been paid to write it or where the consumer pays to read it?
And wot is "consumer generated media"?

Good question. My instructions in this regard are as follows:

__"when we talk about paid content we are referring to, for example, professionally produced…

Russell Brown

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:31:00 +1200

RB: Shouldn't it be "Consumer Generated Media are the Foot Soldiers"? How can you take seriously a proposition that isn't even grammatical?

I'm totally using that.

Peter Haynes

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:06:44 +1200

"Consumer Generated Media are the Foot Soldiers" I meant.

Peter Haynes

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:05:55 +1200

Robyn, Wikipedia has a serviceable definition of "consumer generated media":

"CGM originated as a reference to posts made by consumers within online venues such as internet forums, blogs, wikis, discussion lists etc., on products that they have purchased. Shoppers who are researching products often use other consumers' opinions when making…

Robyn Gallagher

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:01:26 +1200

Is paid content where the author has been paid to write it or where the consumer pays to read it?

And wot is "consumer generated media"?

(I feel like I should actually already know these answers in a professional capacity...)

Yamis

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:01:06 +1200

In ten years on the internet I don't think I've paid to read a single thing (outside of monthly line charges).

Russell Brown

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:57:09 +1200

Hey, if Facebook can be valued at $15 billion …

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Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:57:09 +1200

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