It is up to you as to…

she's (at best) being textually harassed

In full context of reply-to-post, edited for clarity:

If someone comes to [m]e complaining that she's (at best) being textually harassed [which is already bad enough, but complaint may yet be of even worse behaviour], you'll pardon me if Goff's example is one…

maybe you should give up the rhetorical flourishes and move to a plainer style.

Thanks, Stephen. Here's some very plain English: Maybe some people should stop making shit up and attaching my name to it — especially if you're going to suggest that I tolerate or enable abusive behaviour towards…

complaining that she's (at best) being textually harassed

Frankly, I mostly avoid your comments these days, because the rhetorical wrappings completely obscure whatever sense might be lurking in them. If you find you're…

It might not be your intention, but you can't blame people for thinking that you're mentioning something by declaring that you're not going…

You still had to mention her husband and your comment in itself was fire. Hey I guess everbody else knew to ignore it, so my stupid.

Gee, Sophie, I'm a little more pissed off about the untrue insinuation I'd called the woman a liar.

or regarded her husband's dodgy dealings as relevant enough to comment on

You still had to mention her husband and your comment in itself was fire. Hey I guess everbody else knew to ignore it, so my stupid.

Still, fire for affect eh Craig? :)

What?

or regarded her husband's dodgy dealings as relevant enough to comment on

Still, fire for affect eh Craig? :)
What I found insulting in that Kirk Herald article mentioned above was the last line. "I gave her huge support or as much as I could" Ouch.

My beef with The Panel is not so much with the right wing bozos they invite in, but because…

Unfortunately for Jim, he didn't have any of his regular right wing panellists on hand for a suitable blame…

Have you googled it? Cos the googles suggest its in widespread use in the English-speaking world.

Now I have googled it. Damnit, the word is so derivative, it's even appeared in Harry Potter. Ah well, we'll always have pavlova and kiwifruit.

Could this be the right point to note that I've not been trying to sell that bill of goods here or anywhere else?

Granted.

I suppose this is the right point to note that the "honeytrap" theory being propagated by the usual suspects is absurd.

Well, I guess stating the bleeding obvious has its place. :) Could this be the right point to note that I've not been trying to sell that bill of…

Complainant Roger Brooking said: "No attempt was made to present the other side of the argument on sentencing and law and order issues."

The interview enabled…

Goff's handling of things can certainly be faulted, but the idea that it was all a jack-up is crazy. If you were to build a honeytrap for the poor…

Craig – that is what I am referring to. You assume you know the whole story and at the same time judging it to be trivial.

Should I just leave the room so you can conduct both sides of this dialogue? There's a lot of words being put in my…

complaining that she's (at best) being textually harassed

Craig – that is what I am referring to. You assume you know the whole story and at the same time judging it to be trivial.

Oh Hilary, that's so naive. The First Law of Ranapia clearly states that all parties must be blamed equally for any transgression. The abuse is waaaaay down the list of priorities here.

And that's not so much cheap as only fit to be left on the kerb for the next…

The first rule in responding to anyone who is brave enough to disclose abuse of any kind is to take it seriously.

Oh Hilary, that's so naive. The First Law of Ranapia clearly states that all parties must be blamed equally for any transgression. The abuse is waaaaay down the…

The blame of course lies with those trying to get some justice for the complainant – in this case Phil Goff.

Hilary: If someone comes to be complaining that she's (at best) being textually harassed, you'll pardon me if Goff's example is one I won't be following. I've no desire…

Meanwhile, National continue to show their candidate all the love and support she needs.

simon g: What are you doing to make that poor crocodile cry so hard?

Judy Kirk, Party President, on Melissa Lee:

Pardon?

Judy Kirk, Party President, on Melissa Lee:

"She is emotional. I have seen that on a couple of occasions when she has gone to speak and it may be her culture."

(Herald)

Anyone caught up with "Yes no but-" recently? I first heard it (on RNZ) about 3 years ago.

I find myself using that one all the time, and then having to stop before the rest of the sentence to figure out what the hell I meant by it.

Yep, it's as Kiwi as pavlova or kiwifruit. Nah, seriously, it's not in any dictionary I can find. Dibs it's ours.

Have you googled it? Cos the googles suggest its in widespread use in the English-speaking world.

I believe the rising inflection at the end-of non-questions is ours too?

Wikipedia…

But the others? It looks like a club ..

I think there is a real gender divide here. So many women, even powerful right wing women, have been on the receiving end of this sort of behaviour sometime in their lives, and so they know how humiliating and demeaning it…

Today's DomPost editorial is also taking the line that sexual harrassment is just fine if the woman involved is a political activist. The blame of course lies with those trying to get some justice for the complainant – in this case Phil Goff.

Interesting to note that Fran O'Sullivan is…

And Richard Griffin has again been allowed to go on the radio and declare nothing-to-see-here-there-is-no-chance-of-criminal-charges-and-it's-all-Phil-Goff's-fault-anyway on his mate's behalf.

Today's DomPost editorial is also taking the line that sexual harrassment is just fine if the woman involved is a political activist. The blame of course lies with those trying to…

Russell – Did you see the 60 minutes segment about Jonathan Eady and his family's fight to get him home?

Really? It's ours? I'm stoked .

Be careful what you wish for – that's what the NZ Herald reported Chris Knox as having had...

New Zealand Herald – ‎Jun 12, 2009‎
Pioneering New Zealand rock musician Chris Knox is in hospital after suffering a stoke on…

If I had of been him I'd of done something different that what he'd of done.

Anyone caught up with "Yes no but-" recently? I first heard it (on RNZ) about 3 years ago.

Really? It's ours? I'm stoked.

Yep, it's as Kiwi as pavlova or kiwifruit. Nah, seriously, it's not in any dictionary I can find. Dibs it's ours.

I was just going to reply on exactly that point, steven. Kiwis also invented the word I'd've (pronounced eye-div or eye-dov), a particularly ugly word on paper, but a useful one.

Really? It's ours? I'm stoked.

Is had,v an actual word? if not why not?

I was just going to reply on exactly that point, steven. Kiwis also invented the word I'd've (pronounced eye-div or eye-dov), a particularly ugly word on paper, but a useful one.

That's kind of the point

Yeah it's poetry and I fail at poetry.

But after spending time in the US where "being burglurized was not that big of a deal" I've come to loathe that particular abuse of the language.

I see that National have found someone to replace Worth, hopefully this time around someone will explain to the new guy what being "Minister of Internal Affairs" actually means.

And Richard Griffin has again been allowed to go on the radio and declare nothing-to-see-here-there-is-no-chance-of-criminal-charges-and-it's-all-Phil-Goff's-fault-anyway on his mate's behalf.

Jim Mora…

/cry

not of ... have

That's kind of the point.

horse would of come

/cry

not of ... have

The naked horse came into the room.
The naked horse comes into the room.
The naked horse has come into the room.
The naked horse will be coming into the room.…

totally offplot, but anyone watching the tweets coming out of iran...?

I am now, via @tzemingdynasty

as an old skool msm'er I think I might just crawl off and find myself a warm tarpit to relax in.

In some ways it suits National to have it painted as a "3% guy pushing through changes"

While I think it adds about as much to worthwhile debate, as trying to rationally engage with the cranks who've never gotten over the death of FPP where you had if not an…

Act may not have a 'mandate' but they are part of the National led gummint.

Indeed. Which means the discussion shouldn't be along the lines of "this man has no mandate", but "why exactly is the crowd WITH the mandate running with this?"

In some ways it suits National to…

Thanks, Russell, for the bulletin about Chris. I was extremely distressed to read the SST story

Yes, me too – thanks for the bulletin and I was also very distressed to hear about Chris. Best wishes to Barbara & family.

I understand things are a bit more hopeful than was suggested…

There is now an official how-is-Chris-Knox blog, which is a great way of keeping all his many friends in touch.

First update:

15th June 2009
Media statement from Ward-Knox family
Re: Chris Knox

“We have been overwhelmed by the level of support for Chris from around the…

'Had uv' is good spoken New Zild but apparently it doesn't write down well.

I continued: simple past (or preterite).
I have continued: perfect.
I had…

"If it had have continued, it would have been a disaster"

I wasn't taking the piss, it's just the first time I've seen the subjunctive formed in that way (outside of the vernacular had of). I would have expected something along the lines of "had it continued" or "if it…

Gio, you're just taking the piss.... ;-)

But OK, how about this:

"If it had have continued, it would have been a disaster"

Like I say, ugly. But correct. I think. (The longer you look at English, the weirder it looks...)

Not sure how you'd describe…

would be "had have continued" or, even better, the simpler "had continued".

I agree that the latter is best, but it's interesting to see the evolution. It's not quite an Eggcorn, but I don't think it's a simple mistake either, since a mishearing is being pushed in the direction of…

I simply must point out that correct written English would be "had have continued"

Really?

But if that meme had of continued

NOT to get too linguistically prescriptive on it (that being nearly oxymoronic in the liberal world of linguistics where how she is spoke is what is right) but as a card-carrying pedant I simply must point out that correct written English (at this…

I think I agree with Craig (should I seek medical attention?).

Nah... I've been doing it for years and you get used to it.

find a stronger angle to hang their criticism on unless they want to grace us with their tipping point where duly appointed Ministers of the Crown become credible

Key knew that the Auckland Super city would be an issue during this parliament but still chose a man with vary little…

Act may not have a 'mandate' but they are part of the National led gummint. Anything Rodney does he can only do with the support of National (or the majority or parliament).

One could be cynical and suggest that…

Or even ambitious for the electorate, Paul. :)

Well, Shearer was doing so much "reconnecting" I wondered if he was self-funding the campaign moonlighting as an electrician.

Apologies in advance for stating the bleeding obvious at this late stage in proceedings, but why would anyone bother voting for Lee, Norman or Boscawen?

Are you saying that if Shearer had been a member of parliament and, say, Boscawen hadn't, you would have voted for Boscawen? I really don't…

If Hide has nothing to hide, then why exclude public input? – unless he's taking advice from blitzkreig Douglas about how to implement unpopular changes (Mont Pelerin speech 1989, [[http://www.rogerdouglas.org.nz/images/peler1.pdf|PDF ,…

Craig, we're talking about mandate for very particular actions, not a generalised minsterial warrant or whatnot.

Sasha: Correct me if I'm wrong, but legislation still requires the assent of a majority of Parliament. Doesn't it?

Key would do well to get the little fat mushroom to pull his woolly head in or he will be looking at a single term in office. 3% of the national vote does not a mandate make.

If Key runs around talking to Hide like that, I'd respectfully suggest he'd…

DomPost does another Knox story. I wish they'd bother asking someone what is normal progress at this early stage to give some context.

As I said, it's not my place to talk about Chris's condition, but I can give some context. A friend of mine had a severe stroke eight…

Lee obviously made more than one or two fluffs on the hustings.... but did that kill her? We'll never know. It became un-winnable for National as soon as the Motorway extension plans were changed.

but, seriously, am I the only person who though there was an element of egregious sexing up going on there?

Well that is true. But if that meme had of continued with a barn-storming National candidate then a Labour win by less than, ohh, say 4000 votes would have had…

Mt Albert's winnability for National: No it was simply not winnable; a thirty-point percentage lead simply cannot be overturned, particularly by a governing party... but yes, it could have been significantly narrowed.

The big margin was a personal vote for Clark — the party vote margin last year was only…

For National: an awful result with no redeeming features, except for still finishing second. ... but Melissa Lee…

One of National's big mistakes was to allow an early win to its online spin meister DPF to inflate expectations. The early media meme was the possibility of an upset to National in Helen Clark's old seat

Well, you've got a point there Tom — but, seriously, am I the…

Although to be fair the complete quote is "according to a close family friend who was clearly messing with us".

Yes... but in that case, I guess it was one of those stories that were just too good to check. And while my sympathy for Sharon Shipton is at a…

My son's almost the same age – his first vote will be on whether parents are allowed to beat their kids ... he's against it ...

Against it? Sounds like a "no" vote...

we've been talking about how the wording of referendum questions can be made purposely obtuse in an…

Perhaps Public Address readers with connections to the SST editor would like to suggest he logs in and posts an explanation.

Well, I've sent a polite (really) e-mail to the SST suggesting that the paper needs to lift its game and privately apologise to Knox for the entirely gratuitous invasion…

But he is impressed with Act’s campaign, considering the party registers relatively poorly in national opinion polls

This was days after a poll was released putting John Boscawen on 3%!

It was the not-acknowledging part that was funny in Ralston's columns. He was just reheating the received wisdom of the moment.

I think from now on he should be known to us as June Ralston, which is a lovely name.

So, Ralston changed his mind? Fancy that. Meanwhile, it would be nice if a few more pundits could do so and acknowledge it.

It was the not-acknowledging part that was funny in Ralston's columns. He was just reheating the received wisdom of the moment.

Redbaiter, as you might expect, takes the cake:

He can keep it. OK, Russell, were you really expecting good grace from that corner? Truth now. I'll stick to my default position that the only party the media supports (to thoroughly mung Mill) is the stupid…

Did The Cars do a song called Surrender? I am thinking of the Cheap Trick song.

Duh. Still a bit fuzzy today ...

I accept that Chris is a prominent cultural figure and worthy of news, but that story was irresponsible.

Irresponsible and the Sunday Star-Times. In the same sentence. Again. Wow...

I was really hoping that a new editor would see the SST de-tabloid a bit, but experience kicks hope's arse again.…