Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: Two roads lead to the city https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Brent Jackson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=330292#post330292 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=330292#post330292 Auckland Transport, there are many things I’d like you to do with Meola Road, including good shared paths (there’s heaps of room). But mostly, I’d like that bad stretch upgraded to something commensurate with the use to which Aucklanders put it.

And lo, it was done.

]]> Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:39:48 +1300 Mark Graham https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314693#post314693 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314693#post314693 Fri, 06 Jun 2014 14:44:21 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314660#post314660 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314660#post314660 This is an
interesting visualisation.

I wonder what it would look like for Auckland. Moar roads, I suspect.

(Though if you take "Auckland" as the fully sprawling council area, that would include a lot of green space).

]]> Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:49:18 +1200 Brent Jackson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314641#post314641 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314641#post314641 The two holdups I can see are in the straight through to St Luke’s Rd, so why not make it both lanes, ...

I think the reason why the middle lane is straight and turning is so that traffic that has come from the West along Great North Road does…

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 18:36:31 +1200 Gregor Ronald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314637#post314637 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314637#post314637 Rough chip surface? A solitary pothole? Luxury...

Come cycling in Christchurch for some real adventures!

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 17:32:05 +1200 Mark Graham https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314626#post314626 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314626#post314626 Thu, 05 Jun 2014 15:27:18 +1200 Mark Graham https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314625#post314625 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314625#post314625 Thu, 05 Jun 2014 15:26:58 +1200 Mark Graham https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314623#post314623 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314623#post314623 Thu, 05 Jun 2014 15:22:24 +1200 Mikaere Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314619#post314619 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314619#post314619 Thu, 05 Jun 2014 14:24:03 +1200 Brent Jackson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314617#post314617 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314617#post314617 One pedestrian crossing (for which cars must stop) and two lights-controlled crossings, down from three pedestrian crossings and two lights-controlled. There’s quite a loss of pedestrian rights in it.

I'm not sure about that. Currently there are 3 single lane pedestrian crossings to get pedestrians from footpaths to traffic islands,…

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 13:55:19 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314612#post314612 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314612#post314612 Thu, 05 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314610#post314610 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314610#post314610 That I understand, but raising the road? I’ve never seen drivers struggling with it.

That's the explanation I got. As a cyclist, I wouldn't want steep bridges either, tbh.

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 12:56:13 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314607#post314607 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314607#post314607 The widening of the bridge will help mitigate the “stacking” of vehicles trying to turn right onto the motorway west.

That I understand, but raising the road? I've never seen drivers struggling with it.

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 12:16:19 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314606#post314606 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314606#post314606 engineers’ sole focus is on getting motorised traffic through faster

that’s their profession’s lone KPI, yes
#flow

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 12:14:45 +1200 Tim Welch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314604#post314604 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314604#post314604 I've always wondered why they don't take cyclists and pedestrians under the road, particularly at intersections like the St Lukes overbridge. It's a method used in Davis CA a lot, essentially a very big drain pipe gets laid under the road and becomes a safe path for bikes.

I'd love…

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 12:00:37 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314603#post314603 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314603#post314603 One way to do that is to totally separate pedestrians and bikes from
cars and trucks.
...and buses, let the vehicles fight it out...

the above pic is from the excellent Buswatchnz site

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 10:25:44 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314602#post314602 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314602#post314602 totally separate pedestrians and bikes from cars and trucks.

But the cost, Bart! And the loss of precious road space!

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 10:12:35 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314601#post314601 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314601#post314601 There’s quite a loss of pedestrian rights

Silly Russell. Pedestrians don't have rights, they merely have allowances that interfere with the passage of the true rights-holders: automobiles.

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 10:09:59 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314600#post314600 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314600#post314600 But some communications I’ve seen do underline that the engineers’ sole focus is on getting motorised traffic through faster

One way to do that is to totally separate pedestrians and bikes from cars and trucks.

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 09:53:13 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314599#post314599 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314599#post314599 I've always wondered why they don't take cyclists and pedestrians under the road, particularly at intersections like the St Lukes overbridge. It's a method used in Davis CA a lot, essentially a very big drain pipe gets laid under the road and becomes a safe path for bikes.

It's particularly…

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 09:49:53 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314598#post314598 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314598#post314598 Where’s the problem they are trying to fix, exactly?

In their heads I suspect…

The upgrades are all focused on adding capacity in time for the opening of the tunnel in 2017, and that really is necessary. The widening of the bridge will help mitigate the "stacking" of vehicles trying…

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 09:24:07 +1200 Tim Welch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314597#post314597 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314597#post314597 it’s not for the faint of heart.
That describes cycling in Auckland in general...

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 08:46:31 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314596#post314596 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314596#post314596 As a seasoned cyclist I loathe that St. Lukes Intersection. I routinely bypass it by riding the Motat Tram tracks; they’d make such a good cycleway if it weren’t for the odd tram :-)

You tram-hating monster! ;-)

I have to ride through it all the time, and more particularly…

]]> Thu, 05 Jun 2014 08:25:24 +1200 Tim Welch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314594#post314594 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314594#post314594 Thu, 05 Jun 2014 07:55:39 +1200 Ken Sparks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314592#post314592 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314592#post314592 Where's the problem they are trying to fix, exactly?
In their heads I suspect...

]]> Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:26:07 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314591#post314591 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314591#post314591 to ease the transition to the new bridge

Where's the problem they are trying to fix, exactly?

]]> Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:13:43 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314589#post314589 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314589#post314589 Is it 3 down to pedestrian crossing (Pt Chev) and 2 lights controlled crossings (city side and MOTAT side)? The graphic isn’t explicit.

That's how it looks to me. One pedestrian crossing (for which cars must stop) and two lights-controlled crossings, down from three pedestrian crossings and two lights-controlled. There's…

]]> Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:24:21 +1200 Dan Salmon https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314588#post314588 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314588#post314588 Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:10:28 +1200 John Holley https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314587#post314587 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314587#post314587 Is it 3 down to pedestrian crossing (Pt Chev) and 2 lights controlled crossings (city side and MOTAT side)? The graphic isn't explicit.

This is our route (including Miss 6) to Western Springs from Kingsland so some clarity would be great.

]]> Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:08:16 +1200 Ken Sparks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314586#post314586 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314586#post314586 it's hardly ideal to have to ride on the footpath
No it isn't but it's also quite easy not to mow down pedestrians on your bike too!

]]> Wed, 04 Jun 2014 18:07:09 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314583#post314583 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314583#post314583 And every time you’d hit it, instead of riding over it, it’d track you along its line.

That's just such a dumb thing to do. Road engineers should be made to ride their own cycle lanes.

]]> Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:55:58 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314582#post314582 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314582#post314582 Meola Road hill has been shocking for years. They are currently working on it, but I think it is just to raise the kerbs, and is likely to leave the metre near the kerb in a worse state than ever.

Yes, it's just the kerbs as part of the footpath…

]]> Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:54:59 +1200 James Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314581#post314581 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314581#post314581 Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:37:07 +1200 Brent Jackson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314580#post314580 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314580#post314580 Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:34:14 +1200 Ken Sparks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314579#post314579 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314579#post314579 Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:32:59 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314578#post314578 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-two-roads-lead-to-the-city/?p=314578#post314578 Discussion from blog post.

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