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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<p>Fear not Craig, I do <strong>not</strong> sit thru six minutes of ads. I have PIP (picture-in-picture) so I surf the other channels (usually music) while waiting for  a programme to resume. But six minutes <em>is</em> ridiculous for a Pay TV service so I made a stand.  </p><p>As I result on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:45:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>When Sky started running six minute breaks I finally gave up in disgust, and cancelled.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, but am I the only person who hits the mute button and does something else (six minutes is long enough to make a cup of tea and go to the loo) &ndash; or, considering…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:18:52 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><em>anyone with a bit of disposable income pays in one way or another to avoid having some half-wit insult their intelligence suggesting they would be interested in processed food or feminine hygiene products.</em></p><p>Yeah, right. That explains why Sky runs ads does it? You pay for subscriber TV but they…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:02:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						<p>FTA is still big. I went to a pub quiz the other night and a full 25% of the questions seemed to refer to people or events one would only know if they were a regular TV watcher. </p><p>There are moments when I regret my puritan "no TV" lifestyle.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Isn't there some (highly illegal) system out there that lets you view broadcast TV streams over the net?</p></blockquote><p>Slarty has mentioned torrents. You might also be thinking of a system where someone streams their tv straight to a feed. I've never tried it, and I can't give you a name,…</p>
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				<title>slarty</title>
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						<p>Yep &ndash; They're called "Torrents" and rely on some delightful person overseas ripping and making available shows. For example, we watched the last Boston Legal about 3 weeks ago. </p><p>To be honest the only reason I do it is to avoid the ad's. I wouldn't even mind if the advertising…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:05:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Venetia King</title>
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						<blockquote><p>probably a good excuse to remind you that you can also sign up for the daily email heads-up from Public Address</p></blockquote><p>That reminds me &ndash; why does the footer in those emails say "You received this email because you have given bFM your email address"?  I'm pretty sure I never…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:56:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Isn't there some (highly illegal) system out there that lets you view broadcast TV streams over the net?
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p>Wish I could remember who said it, but it went something like:</p><p>__I had a spring clean, replaced the bulb in the oven, cleaned the glass door. Then I road tested it with a potato. A while later I happened to walk past, spotted it out the corner of my…</p>
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				<title>Anne M</title>
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						<blockquote><p>SBS is an example of a news service that offers great, informative, non-'mainstream' news. it's snappy, interesting, and wide-ranging.</p></blockquote><p>Sob, sob, how I miss SBS. If anyone offers that on satellite TV they'd have our business the very next day. </p><p>Freeview is very un-free to hook into at the moment.…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, the Freeview decoders seem awfully expensive for the number of channels you get with it. In the UK I particularly enjoyed the + 1 Hour delayed channels eg TV1+1 Hour ie the 6pm News screens at 7pm and so on.</p></blockquote><p>They are expensive. I think the Freeview consortium (ie:…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:41:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<p><em>that was me agreeing with you, btw.</em></p><p>Onya.</p><p>I think there may be a culture of fear amongst local broadcasters that if they waver from the current *cough-successful-cough* model they will alienate viewers.</p><p>Whereas I reckon the first one to take the brave step of delivering a more objective and…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, the Freeview decoders seem awfully expensive for the number of channels you get with it.</p></blockquote><p>I understand there's some sort of monopoly for the first year on these decoders. Or... there's a limited number of providers of them.</p><p>After that first year, I'd expect the price to drop a…</p>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<p>I guess having marijuana found in your Prius is one cause for anxiety that taking Xanax can't help you with.</p><p><a href="http://www.xanax.com/content.asp?id=1&amp;sid=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.xanax.com/content.asp?id=1&amp;sid=1</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:05:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						Yes, the Freeview decoders seem awfully expensive for the number of channels you get with it. In the UK I particularly enjoyed the <em>+ 1 Hour</em> delayed channels eg TV1+1 Hour ie the 6pm News screens at 7pm and so on. One would think there would be a lot more…
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>MMmmm might just be me missing it, but seems Extras is even better this series (so far!) <br />Wot I want to know is- why isn't Prime on Freeview? (Sky own it, of course, but still!) and why can't we harvest a digital bounty on it, with, eg a feed of…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And there would be more if a) the charter actually delivered quality, and b) there was more hard-edged journalism in the political arena.</p></blockquote><p>Well, I guess then we'd have a Charter that would consist of one sentence: THOU SHALT NOT MAKE SHIT.  The problem is that even the BBC -…</p>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<p>Re: push TV. Methinks that avoiding it while still receiving a fair amount of entertainment and infotainment requires moderate amounts of (a) technical nous; (b) up-to-date hardware; (c) disposable income. All of which are in short supply I can assure you.</p><p>At our place it's dial up internet and free-to-air…</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						that was me agreeing with you, btw.
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote>The chip-on-the-shoulder attitude towards the Charter doesn't seem to be present any more, and there is a more positive embrace of public broadcasting obligations. In large part, of course, that is because the new delivery platforms emerging this year allow for the warm, fuzzy feeling of delivering public value, without…</blockquote>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I feel that 'infotainment' is the horse that's bolted and its going to be very difficult to shut the barn door now.</p></blockquote><p>sure. i agree. but... does every single channel have to offer it?</p><p>SBS is an example of a news service that offers great, informative, non-'mainstream' news. it's snappy,…</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						please stay focussed on <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/paris-sends-message/2007/07/05/1183351361823.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the news that matters</a> Tony!
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				<title>Tony Kennedy</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And, finally, I can see why Kate Moss still likes Pete Doherty</p></blockquote><p>Not any more she does ..<br /><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/kate-gives-pete-the-flick/2007/07/06/1183351412253.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/kate-gives-pete-the-flick/2007/07/06/1183351412253.html</a></p>
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<p><em>I'd actually like to be better informed: more analysis and less commentary on who is/isn't winning the game.</em></p><p>I totally agree. The game of who's winning is, fair enough, an issue in its own right &ndash; though not a particularly important one this far out from an election &ndash; but…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>WTF is up with this one?</p><p>What does an elephant have to do with anything?</p></blockquote><p>It's the symbol of the Republican party. The Democrats have a donkey. One can't help feeling that <em>both</em> PR teams were off their game that day.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And there would be more if a) the charter actually delivered quality, and b) there was more hard-edged journalism in the political arena. I really do feel that the MSM in NZ fail to fulfill their potential as the fourth estate. Ask more questions and demand more answers.</p></blockquote><p>I'd actually…</p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Iz in your burbs consumin' ya pushTV.
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<p><em>part of me thinks there are still many km sq. in the burbs where people continue to passively consume pushTV.</em></p><p>And there would be more if a) the charter actually delivered quality, and b) there was more hard-edged journalism in the political arena. I really do feel that the MSM…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>WTF is up with <a href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_Lc_-bt09Mac/Ro1Ggy7p70I/AAAAAAAAAI0/-a0iIxc4yEA/s400/hughitt.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this one</a>?</p><p>What does an elephant have to do with anything?</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p>i'm with andrew on this one.</p><p>but... part of me thinks there are still many km sq. in the burbs where people continue to passively consume pushTV.</p>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						Good on TV One for writing the new charter, but I think many of us are drifting further away from the old 'pushTV' model. I for one like my time spent more efficiently by researching news stories that are relevant and looking at entertainment and educational matters on the Internet.…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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