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				<title>andrew  clive</title>
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						And can anyone on board tell me why did this labour government endorse tax payer funding for the politically motivated Hollow Men play? Clearly such taxpayer purse money should not be used to denigrate the opposition party , which in essence is exactly whats has happened through this funding given…
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>WTF &ndash; that was a pretty brief and muted article, but a totally accurate one. </p><p>NZCSC are a bunch of old contrarians who are right in that climate change won't effect them.</p><p>How is Hansford?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:58:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Ok, completely OT, but worth mentioning &ndash; <a href="http://hot-topic.co.nz/2008/04/16/climate-cranks-claim-a-scalp/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">climate cranks claim a scalp</a></p><p>The Listener fires their environment reporter, after pressure from a oil-funded lobby group.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:26:24 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>How's National on economics?</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/3/story.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10504561" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/3/story.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10504561</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:14:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>nice to see I'm a "nut job"</p></blockquote><p>I wasn't thinking of you when I wrote that but hey, if the hat fits by all means slip it on.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Kyle:</p><p>I particularly loved this passage:</p><blockquote><p>Mr Hager told Radio New Zealand this morning that he continued to get material from National and other parties, but he had no plans for another book.</p><p>"I am still regularly getting information from the National Party as I do from other parties."</p><p>He…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						Nicky and his sources are even <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4484727a10.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">gloating</a> about the inability of the sources to be found.
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						<p>Has Nicky Hagers writing improved?</p><p>"Secret Power" cured my insomnia for a while with its heavy language written in a pretty Stalinist style.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:41:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Nice smear, Craig. You might also think Hager would have been in the cops line of sights and was cleared.</p></blockquote><p>Nice to see you calmed your stomach for a moment.  Not to actually bother reading what Harry Quinn actually said, but here goes:</p><blockquote><p>“How the thefts occurred still largely remains…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:30:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And if Hager obtained them illegitimately, he's hardly going to fess up himself and throw his credibility (and livelihood) down the crapper, is he?</p></blockquote><p>Nicky Hager has built his career on getting people to trust him and give him information that he puts in his books, and researching publicly available…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And if Hager obtained them illegitimately</p></blockquote><p>Nice smear, Craig. You might also think Hager would have been in the cops line of sights and was cleared. </p><p>According to Brash the same cannot be said for his National party colleagues.</p><blockquote><p>Of course, Mr. Hager could sue</p></blockquote><p>The idea that you run…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Jeez ... Just let it go.</p></blockquote><p>I sort of agree with you.  But you've got to love the two word response to Nicky Hager's demand for an apology for the ""baseless allegations" that he obtained the e-mails illegally: <a href="http://www.tv3.co.nz/News/ThiefofDonBrashsemailsstillamystery/tabid/209/articleID/52716/cat/41/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"get lost"</a>. </p><p>Of course, Mr. Hager could sue Don Brash, John Key…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:04:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						Jon Ronson's THEM was a tv series here in Blighty. If you think he was pissing about with wannabee Islamic terrorists at least one of them was convicted and sent down for some time recently. There is a very interesting moment in the video where head terrorist looks at his…
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Well, all he has to do is rely on the good old "he said, she said" balance in the media, and general apathy/exhaustion.</p><p>Police investigation says: No hacker. An inside job. (Reason: evidence).</p><p>John Key says: Might have been a hacker. Definitely not an inside job. (Reason: coz I say…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Key has just been quoted on Radio NZ news rejecting the police conclusion and saying he believes there was an external super-hacker.</p><p>Jeez ... Just let it go.</p></blockquote><p>Someone should assist Mr Key pick his battles &ndash; he keeps picking other's.</p>
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						<p>I went a long to a lecture on the Divinci Code and Jesus by an AU/AUT (?) lecturer of no note.</p><p>Part way through and a wee religious bias was clear. He could only use the bible as a primary source (ok), but wouldn't address the possibility of an unwed…</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						I <em>really</em> doubt that John Key &ndash; who stood to be made Finance minister in a triumphant National Government &ndash; was leaking highly sensitive documents to Nicky Hagar the week before the election.
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Key has just been quoted on Radio NZ news rejecting the police conclusion and saying he believes there was an external super-hacker.</p></blockquote><p>Of course he did.  I mean, he's hardly goign to fess up himself, is he?</p>
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				<title>Matt Nippert</title>
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						<p><strong>Kracklite:</strong> Come to think of it, that tinfoil armour concept should be be further investigated by the army</p><p>The US army has gone down this path already, as chronicled by Jon Ronson in <em>The Men Who Stare at Goats</em> by Jon Ronson. I reviewed it a while back <a href="http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3386/artsbooks/3724/levitating_the_pentagon.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><gratuitious vanity-link alert></a>:</p><blockquote><p>Given…</p></blockquote>
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						Come to think of it, that tinfoil armour concept should be be further investigated by the army, as should cognitive dissonance overall.  I have visions of crack squads who are utterly immune from harm because they simply refuse to accept that they've been shot, are bleeding, that their guts are…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Key has just been quoted on Radio NZ news rejecting the police conclusion and saying he believes there <em>was</em> an external super-hacker.</p><p>Jeez ... Just let it go.</p>
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				<title>Kracklite</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So, Lyndon, the big reveal is unlikely to be reptilian. My money's on amphibians.</p></blockquote><p>Bah! I've said it before and I'll say it again: Wishart's second-rate compared to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">David Icke</a>.  He's already been there with his revelation that the Windsors are anthropophagic (well, we can hardly say cannibalistic) reptiles (beat…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I say this only in the interests of Wishart not making a complete dick of himself, again.</p></blockquote><p>Did it work? No?</p>
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				<title>Matt Nippert</title>
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						Wishart's put out a trioka of books in the last year. In addition to <em>Eve's Bite</em> and <em>Absolute Power</em>, he also wrote <em>The Divinity Code</em>. A <a href="http://christiannews.co.nz/2008/review-of-ian-wisharts-the-divinity-code/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">telling review</a> of the latter from <em>Christan News</em>, an outlet with the (half-joking?) masthead line "Sponsored by the Elusive Brethren & Right Wing American Fundamentalists"…
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				<title>johnno</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Detective Inspector Harry Quinn</p></blockquote><p>... useless sidebar info &ndash; Harry Quinn is Keith Quinn's brother.  "Lomu..! Lomu...!"</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p><em>Is that all it's going to be? Eve's Bite Goes to Parliament?</em></p><p>My prediction is that the book will have one or two genuine scoops or items of interest but that they will be lost in a blizzard of implausible conspiracy theories.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So there you have it &ndash; Clark has the kind of absolute power where you have to play sides off against each other on an issue by issue basis, which seems like a pretty crummy kind of absolute power if you ask me . . .</p></blockquote><p>Good God: I just…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>Ho, ho, This gets better. Someone on Wishart's blog called "ian" says:</p><blockquote><p>New Zealand's prime ministers can be compared to the "Stuart royal executive"</p></blockquote><p>Damned Stuart's, so absolutist that they kept getting their heads cut off and deposed...by Parliament.</p><p>Ducks in a barrel this, but it'll keep me amused for…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>Danyl</p><p>You comment on Wishart's blog? You're a braver man than I, Gunga Din.</p><blockquote><p>seems like a pretty crummy kind of absolute power if you ask me . . .</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, Joe Stalin would be rolling in his grave at that definition. I wonder how he will explain away Ms…</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Perhaps the name reminds you of Hank Quinlan, Orson Welles' corrupt Police captain in Touch of Evil.</p></blockquote><p>Woo &ndash; great spotting!</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote>So Clark's "absolute power" includes hypnosis.</blockquote>Wouldn't it be shocking if Wishart's book actually proved that reptillian rumour.
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<blockquote><p>MMP has not prevented Clark getting much of her agenda through Parliament, by playing one side off against the other on an issue by issue basis...</p></blockquote><p>Brilliant! Decide on the book's title, then rewrite the dictionary to fit. But don't stop at the New Language, invent the New Arithmetic too.…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>...Detective Inspector Harry Quinn (what a great pulp fiction name for a cop!)...</p></blockquote><p>Perhaps the name reminds you of Hank Quinlan, Orson Welles' corrupt Police captain in <em>Touch of Evil</em>.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Thanks Danyl for the informative link to Mr. Wishart's forthcoming publication.</p></blockquote><p>But no answer to the most important questions: Are the pages two or three-ply? Textured or plain? Scented?  Printed with stylish patterns designed to enhance every lifestyle?</p>
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						<p>Actually Don, <a href="http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2008/04/countdown-to-la.html#comments" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">I've made that very point to Ian on his blog.</a> His reply:</p><p>__Not so, Danyl, previous Prime Ministers were more tightly restricted by constitutional conventions and a more independent public service. The reforms of the past 20 years have seriously weakened the latter, whilst this administration has not…</p>
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						<p>Thanks Danyl for the informative link to Mr. Wishart's forthcoming publication.</p><p>I approach it with some trepidation however as the title, "ABSOLUTE POWER", suggests that this book may be as divorced from reality as his thoughts on evolution, religion, society and just about anything else he cares to pontificate on.…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>But you know Wellington, rumours up to its armpits and they're not always correct.</p></blockquote><p>But so often actionably defamatory, which is why they don't usually see print in any way, shape or form.  It's always been my view that its a matter of <strong>when</strong>, not <strong>if</strong>, some commentator lands a…</p>
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						Danyl: And OTOH, if Labour hadn't moved to plug the loopholes so devastaingly exposed by Hagar's book, then our democracy would be a lot poorer for it.  What disturbs me is that so many people,  when faced with clear problems which undermined the integrity of our electoral system, were quite…
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						<blockquote><p>Craig: that was hardly the jumping on and savaging I expected.</p></blockquote><p>Certainly not up to your usual standard of bad faith invective &mdash; that's worth bringing out the nail file for.  Lift your game.</p>
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						<p><em>it's a shame that the MSM did, and will, ignore all the underlying issues Hagar's book threw up &ndash; neo-liberal vs. conservative ideological tensions within right-wing political parties, the influence of money in politics and the debasement of our democracy...</em></p><p>The last two points have been addressed pretty exhaustively by…</p>
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						Craig: that was hardly the jumping on and savaging I expected.  OTOH, given that there are no swamp-gas flares around, that's probably for the better.
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						<p>principled conservatives<br />military intelligence</p><p>Don't forget: <a href="http://www.lawcom.govt.nz/ProjectGeneral.aspx?ProjectID=96" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.lawcom.govt.nz/ProjectGeneral.aspx?ProjectID=96</a></p>
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						<blockquote><p>I take it nobody believes Mr Hagar's claim that the material was leaked to him by 'principled conservatives' within the National Party?</p></blockquote><p>I'd like to think so. </p><p>Whatever anyway, it's a shame that the MSM did, and will, ignore all the underlying issues Hagar's book threw up &ndash; neo-liberal vs.…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Perhaps the person had a more personal than political motive? I suspect, but don't know, it was likely a coincidence of benefits for a group and a group dissemination.</p></blockquote><p>Well, you could ask Nicky Hagar.  I know Russell and I disagree on this, but I think the line between "theft,…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I take it nobody believes Mr Hagar's claim that the material was leaked to him by 'principled conservatives' within the National Party?</p></blockquote><p>"Principled conservatives"? I don't think they exist.</p>
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						I take it nobody believes Mr Hagar's claim that the material was leaked to him by 'principled conservatives' within the National Party?
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						<p>And on a less serious note:</p><p>I've got a theory<br />that it's an MP<br />a rival MP<br />No, something isn't right there</p><p>I've got a theory<br />It was a hacker<br />Stole all the emails<br />Golly what a nightmare</p><p>I've got a theory we should work this out...</p>
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						<blockquote><p><em>So, whodunit?</em></p><p>Cui bono?</p></blockquote><p>Well that's hard to answer assuming it wasn't Key (who'd be stupid to be directly involved...). </p><p>Perhaps the person had a more personal than political motive? I suspect, but don't know, it was likely a coincidence of benefits for a group and a group dissemination.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Cui bono?</p></blockquote><p>Nah, he's in the clear.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>So, whodunit?</p></blockquote><p>Cui bono?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>What new laws would they wished for? Bag and person checks for everyone who works in parliament?</p></blockquote><p>I presumed that the new laws wouldn't alter this case at all, but were simply things that they discovered while investigating the case. Incidental so to speak.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>We can now officially give up on the always-far-fetched-idea that the emails at the heart of The Hollow Men were snatched from the Parliamentary email system by some master hacker.</p></blockquote><p>So, whodunit?</p>
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						<p>What new laws would they wished for? Bag and person checks for everyone who works in parliament? </p><p>I think the Police involvement in this was always going to result in nothing of substance &ndash; the inside word I heard was that a disgruntled secretary obtained the emails as she had…</p>
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						Surely the Hollow Men will be all but forgotten once <a href="http://www.helenclarkbook.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Ian Wishart's biography of Helen Clark</a> brings the Government to its knees next week.
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						Just getting this over on System ...
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