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Sacha

Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:42:26 +1300

I sometimes wonder if there's two Hootons. Van and Jethro.

applause

Steve Withers

Fri, 13 Mar 2015 18:44:45 +1300

Modern conservative parties are essentially fascist....though they lack the historical understanding to see themselves that way. They aren't Hitler, after all! (As though that makes any difference).

Ian Dalziel

Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:48:15 +1300

Project Gemini...
I sometimes wonder if there’s two Hootons. Van and Jethro.
Who can pursue this 'Outrageous Importune'?
But if it's true, he'll be beside himself!
;- )

BenWilson

Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:04:10 +1300

I sometimes wonder if there's two Hootons. Van and Jethro.

Rob Stowell

Sat, 07 Mar 2015 13:50:04 +1300

if you’re not pro-Key, you’re obviously pro-terrorism
Hooten took that half-witted line on twitter, too. Remarkably dumb.

Alfie

Sat, 07 Mar 2015 13:24:56 +1300

The scaremongering continues. I thought that Matthew Hooton had taken a more centrist position after escaping lightly from the fallout surrounding Dirty Politics, but it seems that he's still ignoring common sense and trotting out the party line. He's penned a (paywalled) story in today's NBR for which the subheading…

Steve Barnes

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 18:47:21 +1300

If National remains in power for much longer we are headed here...
Worse than Rwanda: life prospects in Britain’s poorest areas

JLM

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 18:32:29 +1300

Thanks very much Rob! Can't stand listening to the man, have to turn off the radio each time he is on.

Steve Barnes

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:40:05 +1300

If I was a good honest hard-working NZer,

And that is one big IF....

Rob Stowell

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:09:29 +1300

Towards the end of this – https://soundcloud.com/knowyourproduct/john-key-on-nicky-hager-press-stand-up-040315
Pretty close to
"I guarantee you it'll be wrong, I guarantee it'll be extreme. If I was a good honest hard-working NZer, discount it massively and you'd be in the right space."
But check and check again whenever quoting anyone!

JLM

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 16:49:43 +1300

I was looking for verification of the " good, hard-working honest, New Zealander" quote without the misery of wading through videos because I wanted to put it on an anti TPPA placard. Can someone verify that those are pretty much the exact words as they don't come up with a…

Steve Barnes

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 14:21:38 +1300

Down by the Old School yard...

Joe America and Lizzie Britain are plotting this years stunt for the "Homecoming" party.
"Hey Joe, what about an ugliest date gag, a competition for who brings the ugliest date"
"Yeah, You could get that liitle creep John, the Kiwi one that thinks camping…

Josh Petyt

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 14:16:53 +1300

Are you sure that's parody and not paraphrasing?

Kumara Republic

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:44:09 +1300

Toby Manhire parodies Key rather nicely.

My comment in that article (still in moderation at the time of posting):

"Those with nothing to hide have nothing to — oi! My Swiss account details are none of your beeswax!"

John Madden

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:05:15 +1300

Sat here in the Northern Hemisphere, I am ridiculously pleased to see that the New Zealand Herald (my first career choice out of school in 1969!) can still behave like a newspaper. Key and his donkeys are clearly unsafe, but it beats me who you can elect instead. Any country…

Alfie

Fri, 06 Mar 2015 10:55:42 +1300

Toby Manhire parodies Key rather nicely.
I don't know what's coming but I know that what's coming is wrong, and it's outdated, and it's made up, but even if it isn't wrong and outdated and made up, which it is, it's based on stolen materials and in any case it's absolutely…

BenWilson

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:56:39 +1300

Battle of Vitoria maybe…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPX7RT9uFUU

I'm humming along:

Winston came over the mountain
Winston came over the mountain
Winston came over the mountain
And so say all of us...

Katharine Moody

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:29:43 +1300

A loss in Northland – could be his Waterloo :-).

Mike O'Connell

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:18:25 +1300

It may be something to do with his appalling pronunciation but now we seem to have a Minister for Terrorism and the people of New Zealand are fighting “The War on Tourists”

It's times like these one needs Minties...look, the tourists are fighting back:
[[http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/tourists-take-law-into-own-hands-by-confiscating-new-zealanders-alcohol/ | Tourists take law into…

Paul Campbell

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 20:26:50 +1300

we were talking about Key tonight – and largely agree he's losing it, the outburst in parliment over Iraq, his recent pressappearances – the teflon is flaking he's starting to look a lot like Muldoon in his last days

Marc C

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:59:18 +1300

John Key does not trust YOU or ME, that is plain simple, and whatever his comments may say, they are just further diversions from the matter in question, as usual. If you have nothing to hide, you should not argue with us, is the message, the same applies to new…

Alfie

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 19:34:24 +1300

John Key is still ducking and diving over the latest document release.
John Key says new claims around intelligence collection are wrong – but he won't say why.

He also says the GCSB is acting legally – but won't say how.

And he says we are spying – but won't say…

andin

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 17:37:31 +1300

suggested that only someone who was not “a good, hard-working honest, New Zealander”
As has been said before.This is spoken evil. Anyone who will use language like this should not be anywhere near a position of power.

BenWilson

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 15:54:13 +1300

I read it – and John Hayes view – as being more an argument that this is entirely the wrong sort of intelligence gathering.

I read it that way too, but felt that the underlying point was that different spying was needed, that the problem with this move is it’s…

BenWilson

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 15:33:11 +1300

Oh dear, I was out by one ridiculously high level of military empowerment.

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 15:26:00 +1300

the coup was directed by a military Admiral

Commodore. I think he promoted himself after the coup, Amin-style.

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 15:09:09 +1300

For a few Teraflops more...are lawyer-client emails subject to privilege as communications? I’d imagine a fair few may have been caught up in a dragnet
I'm guessing they are treated the same as all 'potentially useful' commercial communications – information is currency – can't sell it if ya don't have…

Russell Brown

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 14:51:09 +1300

I read it – and John Hayes view – as being more an argument that this is entirely the wrong sort of intelligence gathering. Its not focused, its not targeted, it lacks context.

Yes, I could have been clearer there. He explained further along those lines on RNZ this morning.

BenWilson

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:57:44 +1300

Is it just Field, or was that kind of implied rascism and condescension all the go back on his watch?

Dunno. But I was struggling all the way through it to figure out how cellphone metadata could have helped in the various twists and turns of civil war in the…

Hebe

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:36:08 +1300

“GCSB does not spy directly on NZers”.

Nah; reciprocal agreement with Australia. They do us, we do them. Sorted.

I must be alone in not getting excited about all this: only the detail is new, and what else would Waihopai have been doing? Business as usual.

Dean Wallis

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:29:10 +1300

Staggered, but not surprised at this release. As already suggested above, surely the best way to deal with our Pacific whanau is to talk to them as people – such an old-fashioned concept it seems.

My reading on what the "Yeah Right" Honourable John Key has been saying distills to:…

Bevan Shortridge

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:12:56 +1300

I'm wondering, are lawyer-client emails subject to privilege as communications? I'd imagine a fair few may have been caught up in a dragnet.

Naturesong

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:05:28 +1300

At least theres no language comparing people to insects or sub hmans.

Small mercies.

Joe Wylie

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 13:02:43 +1300

On Stuff, Michael Field does a useful job of explaining why we might want to eavesdrop on our Pacific neighbours

Not really. He lists a bunch of might-have-helpeds, all of which involve extremely pervasive outright spying on people in other sovereign nations, right up to their senior politicians – for…

BenWilson

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 12:40:02 +1300

On Stuff, Michael Field does a useful job of explaining why we might want to eavesdrop on our Pacific neighbours

Not really. He lists a bunch of might-have-helpeds, all of which involve extremely pervasive outright spying on people in other sovereign nations, right up to their senior politicians – for…

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 11:39:08 +1300

at home he feels like a terrorist...
Perhaps its time to reach in through the window of Parliament and grab the Key and put an end to this dangerous behaviour
Snap – I commented elsewhere that someone needs to snatch the Key from Parliament as he is driving the country…

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 11:24:19 +1300

blowing something up... in the detonator and blasting cap sense.
We have a police station in Chchch being primed and packed for an imminent implosion by the Govt – possibly April! (or a slow newsday)

Steve Barnes

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 11:22:05 +1300

– and suggested that only someone who was not "a good, hard-working honest, New Zealander" could think otherwise –
That is a contradictory statement if ever I heard one. Hard-working, honest? What? like a money trader is hard working and honest, the whole banking industry is based on devious and…

Idiot Savant

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 11:13:15 +1300

On Stuff, Michael Field does a useful job of explaining why we might want to eavesdrop on our Pacific neighbours

I read it – and John Hayes view – as being more an argument that this is entirely the wrong sort of intelligence gathering. Its not focused, its not targeted,…

JP Hansen

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 11:12:03 +1300

August 2013.

"Prime Minister John Key says he and the head of GCSB would resign if the spy agency were found to have conducted mass surveillance."

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 11:04:15 +1300

Key and Netanyahu are like two peas in a pod
ratchet up the fear – never mind the facts...

Key's 'you are not a decent kiwi if you question me'
stance would be risible, were it not so dangerously divisive.

he is an ugly excuse for a statesman
and a…

Kumara Republic

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 10:59:09 +1300

If Snowden and Hager really have made the whole issue too big to ignore, then the only thing the PM has remaining up his sleeve is to scare people by blowing something up. Not in the spin doctor sense, but in the detonator and blasting cap sense.

Stephen Dickson

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 10:56:53 +1300

We all know key will lie his arse off over this, he 'won't recall' etc.
He is weak gutted and does not deserve any respect from anyone in NZ.

Myles Thomas

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 10:55:32 +1300

Good on the NZ Herald. Investigative journalism is alive and kicking against the pricks.

Now it's up to the gallery staff to get in the way of the PM's 'speaking through them' and make him accountable. I wonder if any will step out of their savvy "ball game commentary", and…

Sacha

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 10:49:16 +1300

As Lamia Imam has been saying on Twitter since yesterday: if Snowden is making stuff up, why would he be facing espionage charges?

Russell Brown

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 10:36:25 +1300

Current lead on the Herald website, by David Fisher – Snowden revelations: John Key failing leadership test with terrorists-under-the-bed response.

John Key worked to undermine the spying revelations before he knew what they were.

Even before the New Zealand Herald approached his office for comment, he offered a "guarantee" the revelations…

Adam H

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 10:29:19 +1300

...not “a good, hard-working honest, New Zealander”

That is one of the most chilling phrases yet. I fear we are heading into a period of Fascism. This is the type of language with which it begins.

Sacha

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 10:22:27 +1300

'disinformation, categorically disproven, fabricated, self-serving'...
Farrar will be busy today checking how the lines are playing.

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:51:23 +1300

Key strokes… Doh! ex machina?
When quizzed mid-afternoon he said he had no idea what would be revealed. But, pointing to Hager’s election bombshell Dirty Politics, he said: “Nicky Hager was wrong last time. His information is old. I guarantee you it will be wrong this time.”
Says Key in…

bob daktari

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:48:18 +1300

He gets a free ride

and that won't change – if anything Little will come out of this the worst

Dave Patrick

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:41:43 +1300

I've heard Key's "Hager's last allegations were categorically disproven" sound bite about 3 times across different media now, and not once have I heard a journalist ask him which allegations were the ones that were categorically disproven. He gets a free ride that allows him to set the agenda.

Hebe

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:36:18 +1300

I swear I saw Murray Horton ascending in the Rapture on this morning's commute through Addington.

Public Address

Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:36:18 +1300

Discussion from blog post.