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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Nah, it's a Pinnacle "Nano Stick". Got it for about a hundred bucks a few months ago.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:04:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have finally got Freeview working nicely with VLC on Linux with a cheap little USB stick.</p></blockquote><p>Is it made by Hauppauge or AverMedia?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:40:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						depends on how much bandwidth they are throwing at it HD sized streams are going to strain your software decoder while SD sized ones wont
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:13:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>I have finally got Freeview working nicely with VLC on Linux with a cheap little USB stick.</p><p>It is quite noticeable that some channels (TV1, TV2., TV3) require enough grunt to decode that my poor old laptop can't quite keep up, and there are artifacts and tearing in the picture.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:13:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						The basic issue there is that they chose MPEG-4 rather than MPEG-2 (which every other broadcast service on the planet used at the time) for DVB-T broadcasts here &ndash; technically it's a good choice &ndash; except that no one makes hardware for it (including cheap silicon) &ndash; so from a…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:49:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If I felt a need to record my own rather than buy DVDs or torrent someone else's recording, I'd go the MythTV route.</p></blockquote><p>I think it's working now if you have serious geek cred, but the New Zealand Freeview HD wouldn't work with for the longest time. It was to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:45:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<blockquote><p>An excellent Media 7 last night--especially the discussion on the future of advertising.</p></blockquote><p>Watched the Freeview repeat last night by candlelight. Loved the comment re Obama's misspeak about Special Olympics (that has led to spirited web discussions in the US and Obama forever karmically indebted to improving the lives of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:32:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Don't apologise, it's I who can't get my head around these things. But that surely would mean that for half the populace &ndash; by which I mean Sky subscribers &ndash; the choice of MySky over TiVo would make itself, no? Why would you choose a device that can only record…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:11:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Something that has just occurred to me (on account of being very slow witted): would this TiVo thing work with the Sky channels, correct? I imagine that if the freeview channels land on the sky platform then the MySky would work with those too.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry: it's a digital terrestrial decoder.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:02:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Something that has just occurred to me (on account of being very slow witted): would this TiVo thing work with the Sky channels, correct? I imagine that if the freeview channels land on the sky platform then the MySky would work with those too.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:02:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sorry, what I am trying to say is that some form of truly free plug and play television broadcast needs to remain a while yet, because some people don't get caught up with sreen size/resolution.</p></blockquote><p>Freeview channels <em>are</em>  free to receive.</p><p>The Freeview HD decoders have been as low as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:37:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						For people who are angsting over the fact the Tivo will cost up to a grand, how much did TVs cost per percentage of average income in the 70s? Appreciably more, methinks. I still remember our family renting them for whatever-it-was a week &ndash; we couldn't afford to buy one…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:16:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<blockquote>transport streams are what almost everyone records &ndash; the on-air streams are wrapped in FEC (error correction) but that's taken off before the actual data is recorded &ndash; you don't store the whole multiplex, just the audio/video pids you need &ndash; the actual TS overhead is ~1-2% (3-4 bytes/188 byte…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:35:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>How about.<br />"The Business Round Trough" Look at all the little piggies in their clean white shirts........</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:36:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Crowley</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And as such not worth getting into reasonable hock for.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, what I am trying to say is that some form of truly free plug and play television broadcast needs to remain a while yet, because some people don't get caught up with sreen size/resolution.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:58:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>uroskin</title>
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						On a side note, we have to pull the plug on Wellington Triangle TV from 31 March due to insufficient demand from Wellingtonians for programme airtime.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:37:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Crowley</title>
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						<blockquote><p>when are they turning analog off? Prime will have to jump eventually</p></blockquote><p>Don't get me wrong, I love gadgets and technology as much as the next person. But to me it is starting to look like watching the old idiot box will soon be a thing of the past for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:07:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						fair enough &ndash; you're still dependent on a different way to get your EPG than the rest of Freeview &ndash; if you're going to do some form of extended EPG then we all benefit if it's broadcast to everyone, if you're not then there's no point (other than hardware lock…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:34:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>My point is that the box is only as good as long as someone at TVNZ is pulling together the EPG data for ALL the freeview channels and sending it to your box &ndash; if 10 years from now your box is one of the few still working in the…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:36:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The other nerdery related note, will be interesting to see if the tivo box is capable of recording just the H.264 stream. Currently, it seems with PCs recording freeview, its preserved in the transport stream (which includes some error correction), and makes for pretty big files (~5GB/hour). I'm buying a…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:51:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It also means that if TVNZ tires of Tivo the<br />    box you paid $500 for wont continue to work<br />    with the freeview on-air feed.</p><p>what do you mean by this paul?</p></blockquote><p>well standard DVB EPG is something used the world over, freeview use their own non-standard format, Tivos get their…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:40:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>slarty</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The icing on the cake is that one can't just plug in any external hard drive to increase capacity &ndash; one will have to buy the Tivo-branded WD model, at some premium</p></blockquote><p>Depends how <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/16/tivo-series3-to-1tb-hack/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">brave you are</a> :)</p><p>I reckon a grand on this (plugged into my Ethernet) will do…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:13:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I too am fairly excited that Tivo is making it to NZ, however I don't think it's quite a rosy a picture as you paint in your post, Russell.</p></blockquote><p>Fair enough; it may not be. But, as I said, the TVNZ management and the Hybrid Television CEO Robbee Minicola, had…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:49:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						Is the Mickey Mouse Club taken?
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am sure PA readers can come up with some appropriate suggestions</p></blockquote><p>Kerr &amp; Brash's Lonely Hearts Club Band</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Circle of Business Jerks?</p></blockquote><p>Sold! To the gentleperson from Japan.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:38:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am sure PA readers can come up with some appropriate suggestions</p></blockquote><p>CADET</p><p>(Council for the Advancement of Discredited Economic Theories)</p>
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				<title>Andrew C</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am sure PA readers can come up with some appropriate suggestions.</p></blockquote><p>Trickle down table?</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<blockquote>[Renaming the Business Round Table]: I am sure PA readers can come up with some appropriate suggestions.</blockquote>The Circle of Business Jerks?
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				<title>Peter Sime</title>
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						I think this is a very clever move on TVNZ's part. With TV3 to introduce TV3 plus1 &ndash; a one hour timeshift channel on Freeview on the 30th, this announcement steals their thunder and when the boxes come out it'll make the channel redundant. Which is good, because I think…
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				<title>Jonathan Ibell</title>
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						<p>Re Tivo: <br />I too am fairly excited that Tivo is making it to NZ, however I don't think it's quite a rosy a picture as you paint in your post, Russell.</p><p>For a start, it's AU$699 not $599 as you say. By the time the NZ version retails here, it'll…</p>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Zinwell allows you to record two, and watch another live, if two of the channels are on the same feed. E.g. you can record TV3 and C4, and watch TVOne, or you can record TV2, and Maori TV, and watch TVNZ7.</p></blockquote><p>In a PC with the right software, you…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>when are they turning analog off? Prime will have to jump eventually</p></blockquote><p>2012 is target I believe.  Wouldn't shock me if that got pushed though...</p>
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				<title>Andrew C</title>
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						<p>@paul campbell</p><blockquote><p>it also means that if TVNZ tires of Tivo the box you paid $500 for wont continue to work with the freeview on-air feed.</p></blockquote><p>what do you mean by this paul?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:18:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Can I just say I didn't have a problem with the police's decision to bring charges against liquor store owner Virender Singh?</p></blockquote><p>What, so you don't think difficult cases should be determined by the <a href="http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/your-views/2009/3/25/do-shopkeepers-have-right-use-violence-protect-their-property/?c_id=1501154&amp;objectid=10563484" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald's Your Views?</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:09:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, you record one and watch one, or record two at a time &mdash; while you play back another, if you desire.</p></blockquote><p>The Zinwell allows you to record two, and watch another live, if two of the channels are on the same feed. E.g. you can record TV3 and C4,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:05:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am a bit worried that there will be yet another private-format EPG feed</p></blockquote><p>Yeah. It's frustrating enough the M$ already doesn't play nicely with the existing EPG freeview feed.</p><p>The other nerdery related note, will be interesting to see if the tivo box is capable of recording just the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:00:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						It will be great if Prime does end up on Freeview. Watching the analogue signal seems like such poor quality, and if I'm recording two different digital channels, then there's no tuner available for analogue. Also, it will be great if the broadband program guide is more widely available than…
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I mean, who on earth still has a landline? I've got wireless radio broadband and a cellphone, haven't had a phone for years...</p></blockquote><p>Nah, I'll stick with the landline, and use the exit point to the street to convert to fibre in the next 2-5 years as well.</p><p>Biggest thing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:44:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						the problem with selling a " 'can't fast forward through ads on programmes you have recorded your own self'" box for freeview is that you have to tell the box which part of the video is ads .... and if you do that someone else can sell a box that…
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>By the way, I do wonder at the size and nature of this round table that Kerr sits at...Roger, for the love of God, can you change your organisation's name? I am sure PA readers can come up with some appropriate suggestions.</p></blockquote><p>If it refers to what they sit around…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If it has that function, at some point someone's going to introduce a 'can't fast forward through ads on programmes you have recorded your own self' function, is what I'm thinking.</p></blockquote><p>They can't really control that, and if they did, it would make their product extremely unattractive.</p><blockquote><p>Maybe all that…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe all that pot I smoked made me 'noid. :)</p></blockquote><p>I dunno. You know what the word on the street is &ndash; guess who REALLY owns TVNZ?<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />THE GOVERNMENT! ZOMG!</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:22:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>-what are the disadvantages of Tivo vs a Zinwell (or similiar) PVR?</p></blockquote><p>The TiVo is about twice the size (like an old-school VHS). Apart from that, nothing I can think of.</p><blockquote><p>-does tivo record HD programs in HD so when I watch them they will be in HD still?</p></blockquote><p>Yes.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:22:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So I can't quite grasp why Danielle's got the fear over the ads in on-demand programming that she never has to look at if she doesn't wanna.</p></blockquote><p>If it has that function, at some point someone's going to introduce a 'can't fast forward through ads on programmes you have recorded…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:17:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>But I'd like to make a more general comment &ndash; when you watch TV you should be in control, not the TV station &ndash; that's the whole point about PVRs: you get to take control over when you watch TV, if you own the box you should be in control…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:13:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew C</title>
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						<p>Im a *total* techno noob, but I got a lot of info on a PVRs from very helpful posters last time I asked, so Im hoping people can help me out here again.</p><p>We dont yet have freeview, but were going to get it when a PVR + freeview combo…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:12:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:56:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>well I already did my rant here on MySky a day or so ago &ndash; and Tivo's been a major competitor of mine for a decade or so (but no longer!), so I'm slightly biased there ....</p><p>But I'd like to make a more general comment &ndash; when you watch…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:53:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						<p>Why, do you work for Telecom?</p><p>Joke's over methinks... ;-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:50:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Ackroyd</title>
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						<p>Richard Wain:</p><blockquote><p>I mean, who on earth still has a landline?</p></blockquote><p>You are joking, aren't you?</p>
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				<title>James</title>
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						<p>Roger Kerr also says:</p><blockquote><p>Of course, there is seldom complete agreement among economists just as there is rarely complete agreement in other scientific fields, but the degree of consensus on many issues provides a sound basis for much public policy.</p></blockquote><p>from an <a href="http://www.nzbr.org.nz/documents/articles/Importance_Economics_Education.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">article</a> linked to from the Business Roundtable <a href="http://www.nzbr.org.nz/index.asp" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">homepage</a>.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:43:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						<p>All sounds good apart from the broadband delivery angle/wifi being extra (have I got that right?)... </p><p>I mean, who on earth still has a landline? I've got wireless radio broadband and a cellphone, haven't had a phone for years...</p>
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						<p>Good points Geoff. There's still a geographic snobbery around culture in NZ that seems juvenile and defensive: you should have heard what many Aucklanders said when I decided to move to Chch. </p><p>I have to admit, my heart sank a little when I heard that Media 7 was going to…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>By the way, I do wonder at the size and nature of this round table that Kerr sits at. As far as I can tell it represents very few businesses and as the effect of making NZ business look like a bunch of Luddite idiots.</p><p>Not really the impression I…</p>
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						<p>re: getting past Ads</p><p>Russell, I think the key definition here is "fast forward",</p><p>Most PVRs allow you to jump forward a certain fixed period. (mine is 30 sec, so hit it 8 times and I'm over a 4 min ad break)</p><p>I worry that TIVO may drag us  back…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:22:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>Looking at the comments on the climate change debate...</p><blockquote><p>Exactly the justification that Tim Groser needs to resist a panicked rush into economic dire straits.</p></blockquote><p>Jesus, controls on carbon emissions were first signed up to by the Clinton administration in 1993 (rejected by Congress). Where the hell does the idea…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:22:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I do wish we didn't have to go through the by-now familiar cause-celebre set-piece in the media.</p></blockquote><p>I was under the impression that it was the Harold's 'your views' column wot won it.</p><p>GOTCHA! The PEOPLE have SPOKEN! We asked YOU! if you thought he should be charged. And a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:16:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<p>An excellent Media 7 last night--especially the discussion on the future of advertising.  But Tommy Honey (usually a fair and decent chap) deserves to be smeared in his name-sake and set upon by fire ants for his cheap shot about Hamilton (and Palmerston North).</p><p>Sean Plunkett?  I usually think 'Sean…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:05:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It doesn't sound onerous.</p></blockquote><p>That depends on your ad tolerance. Mine is veddy, veddy low.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>So I have to buy my third Freeview box in 18 months?</p><p>Are they going to call this one the FreeVo?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>So I was planning to get sky early next year for the Olympics. TV 6 &amp; 7 going on sky just added to that. I hadn't decided about getting Mysky.</p><p>However this TIVO sounds good. What will I be missing out on if I go the mysky route? Just the on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:35:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I shall, therefore, keep my boring old MySky. It is now my god-given right to fastforward through all ads, dammit!</p></blockquote><p>Which you will be able to just like MySky &mdash; it's only the separate, on-demand-via-broadband service where you won't, but you're talking about three ads per programme &mdash; beginning, middle…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes</p></blockquote><p>Cool, it sounds neato.  <br />If, of course, the bloody aerial network in our building didn't filter out most of the Freeview UHF channels. =|</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>several of my old friends have taken to scanning fading photographs filled with people who look like us, only much thinner.</p></blockquote><p>And with more hair?</p><p>There are many things that I like about being a woman of a certain age, but my changing dimensions are not among them.  Sigh.</p>
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						<p>From Kerr:</p><blockquote><p>Action could be ramped up over time if the evolving science confirms the likelihood of dangerous warming and lower-cost ways of reducing emissions emerge with advances in technology. Alternatively, it could be ramped down if neither occurs.</p></blockquote><p>So now we know where the Prime Minister is taking his…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So I presume this means you can do the old Sky+ trick of starting watching a standard broadcast program late (by recording it at the start) and fast forward through ads? Just not in the downloaded movies?</p></blockquote><p>Yes. The DVR function is quite separate from the on-demand programming.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:28:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, but on-demand is the stuff you forgot to record or extra content not otherwise broadcast on the telly, right?</p></blockquote><p>I still think it's a dangerous precedent.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:28:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dave Patrick</title>
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						<p>Sean Plunkett was especially wearing yesterday morning, trying to get a lawyer (or law professor, or something &ndash; teach me not to listen properly) to say that the Virender Singh decision was an incentive to shop owners to "tool up" as he put it (continuously).</p><p>The lawyer was very calm…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:23:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I shall, therefore, keep my boring old MySky. It is now my god-given right to fastforward through all ads, dammit!</p></blockquote><p>Yes, but on-demand is the stuff you forgot to record or extra content not otherwise broadcast on the telly, right? I'm a bit unclear on this point.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:22:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>barnaclebarnes</title>
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						The TiVo stuff should be great. Sign me up (but via that horrific form at mytivo.co.nz). I am wondering why WiFi wasn't built into the box and is an add-on? It seems strange in this day and age where home networking basically means wifi.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:22:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You will not be able to fast-forward through the ads in on-demand programmes</p></blockquote><p>I shall, therefore, keep my boring old MySky. It is now my god-given right to fastforward through all ads, dammit!</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:21:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						The Virender Singh case is one where we needed to have the trial to learn what was going on. Now we only have his word and the usual rantings from the usual suspects. What we will not hear are the reasons why the Police charged Singh and the evidence they…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:18:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You will not be able to fast-forward through the ads in on-demand programmes, but there will be far fewer of them<br />...<br />There are no buttons to jump either forward or back, just fast-forward and reverse.</p></blockquote><p>So I presume this means you can do the old Sky+ trick of starting…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:16:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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