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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>My feeling is that at the heart of “it” was spite from Iti that he marginalised himself from Tuhoe elders and other leaders seeking to negotiate a settlement with the crown.</q></p><p>I believe you were being asked (but not really in a constructive way) to give more reason for trusting…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>What does it matter that my background is brown, black, white or yellow.</q><br />No so much that it matters but it does make a difference from the day you were born. And if you were green would you be seeking attention or would you eventually come to terms with the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 08:34:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p><q>but your comments are pretty bog-standard Pakeha resentment-</q></p><p>Oh, touché another box deluxe cliché.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 22:46:10 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>You seem to be saying that only Maori can hold a view or express an opinion.<br />What does it matter that my background is brown, black, white or yellow.</p><p>An INFORMED opinion communicates with me, as a Maori. Anybody else can express an opinion as a ANZ tax-paying citizen-<br />I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 22:12:42 +1200</pubDate>
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						Agreed &ndash; the process recognises more than that.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 21:58:22 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Yes  &ndash; Really &ndash; As a free citizen in a democracy I am well entitled to form an opinion on matters and people who come before the Courts – particularly one such as Iti who courts attention.</p><p>IIti "being marginalised" was offered up in the submission made/evidence given on Iti's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 21:41:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						It's not about money, but often that seems all the western world cares about.  And Tuhoe not Tuhoi, my bad there.
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						<p><q>My feeling is that at the heart of “it” was spite from Iti that he marginalised himself from Tuhoe elders and other leaders seeking to negotiate a settlement with the crown.</q><br />Really?<br />How quaint.<br />And your Maori/Tuhoe background is?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 21:11:40 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>And I'm not at all sure, Dexter X, that you can actually determine what is in Iti's mind-</q></p><p>Iti’s public behaviour, comes across to me, that in his mind he largely only has room for himself &ndash; his currency is cheap and the culmination of his actions have to my…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 20:53:02 +1200</pubDate>
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						You know what? I have had nothing but warmth from the many Maori I meet. I am not an expert on whether or not they have concerns with regards <em>their</em> ancestral land, but I do know, they have justified grievances and a desire to right the wrongs of the past…
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						<p><q>People, who have been fighting Maori patriots in the past, have been known to urge for peace between the first &amp; second settler groups.<br /></q> That may be unclear-<br />Maori patriots ( and I am thinking of some my tipuna, who went to war against 2nd settlers, then intermarried with them….)</p><p>that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 19:04:51 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>That goes against known history.<br />People, who have been fighting Maori patriots in the past, have been known to urge for peace between the first &amp; second settler groups.<br />And I'm not at all sure, Dexter X, that you can actually determine what is in Iti's mind-</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 18:31:50 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>What, advocating peace and unity for the people of Aotearoa </q></p><p>I very much doubt "he" would become such an advocate.</p>
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						not a wild man :)
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 17:47:44 +1200</pubDate>
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						A little child shall led them etc.
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						It's *Tame* Iti , not Tama
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						<p><q>What, advocating peace and unity for the people of Aotearoa and righting some of the wrongs that has been delivered to iwi in the past and suggested present? <br />I’d welcome that.</p><p></q></p><p>Kai Tahu have found, over the past 14  or so years since our Treaty settlement with the Crown, that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 17:16:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Looking forward, not, to Tama Iti, in his own mind, becoming NZ’s equivalent of Nelson Mandela.</q></p><p>What, advocating peace and unity for the people of Aotearoa and righting some of the wrongs that has been delivered to iwi in the past and suggested present? <br />I'd welcome that.</p>
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						Looking forward, not, to Tama Iti, in his own mind, becoming NZ's equivalent of Nelson Mandela.
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						<p><q> no doubt had lined up. Perhaps that’s why the Crown caved in.</q></p><p>Nah, They saw that dude that has been training to defend the whales. Can't remember his name but he spent a month in Japan a year or so ago. Think he's ex Greenpeace. The footage on 3 a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 20:03:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Soo, finally, U 4, No retrial. Time to move on ..... yes we have no terrorists.</q><br />Now we won't get to see the amazing costumes that <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6629824/Court-dress-part-of-performance-Iti" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Tame Iti's wardrobe team</a> no doubt had lined up. Perhaps that's why the Crown caved in. </p><p>Peter Tapsell was once mercilessly lampooned for…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Soo, finally,<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10804409" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> U 4, No retrial.</a> Time to move on ..... yes we have no terrorists.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 19:04:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Heh. You don’t read his column very often, do you?</q></p><p>I prefer not to. Experience suggests there's a 99% chance of both:</p><p>1: The academic writing teacher I am in my day job going on some insane rant about his inability to stick to one topic and offer up factual,…</p>
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						<q>You don’t read his column very often, do you?</q>Never. Or Michael Laws. I know from experience they will infuriate me (sorry Russell, a feeling ).
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q> It’s clearly some sort of correction for the infamous Waitangi Day column  . . .</q><br />Yeah. And Kofi Annan used to be some kind of cocky little bastard.</p>
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						<p><q> serial offender in inviting readers to regard his feelings as facts.</q></p><p>Somewhere along the way he got lost in his own world of self importance and stupidly TVNZ were one of the first to let him go with it. I remember him then and I would nearly puke at his…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>He started out well with the Tuhoe raid issue, but his bit on Nick Smith came across as a bit No True Scotsman-ish to me.</q></p><p>But even the Tuhoe part relies on the reader embracing his personal intuitions about Tame Iti. Holmes a a serial offender in inviting readers to…</p>
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						<p><q>It is a strange day, indeed, when Paul Holmes makes sense.</q></p><p>Sorta. It’s clearly some sort of correction for the infamous Waitangi Day column, but it’s as disorganised an argument as usual. Holmes doesn’t have evidence for things: he “thinks”, “knows” and “feels” them. In this instance he seems basically…</p>
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						<q>How he starts reviewing the Tuhoe situation and then suddenly swings on to Nick Smith I don’t know. If he were one of my students, that piece would’ve been handed back with a big red line and the word ‘irrelevant’ through the final few paragraphs. Pick a topic, and stick…</q>
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						<p><q>Pick a topic, and stick to it, dammit</q></p><p>highly ironic on a PAS thread :)</p>
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						<p><q> Pick a topic, and stick to it, dammit.</q></p><p>True.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>It is a strange day, indeed, when Paul Holmes makes sense. </p><p>Still, that is a fine example of why I think the Herald's editorial staff need to buy some sharper blades and apply them mercilessly to the often rambling work of their opinion writers. How he starts reviewing the Tuhoe…</p>
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						Can't believe I read all of <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10794282" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Holmes at Herald</a> and didn't want to puke.
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						I don't know of any online free access to the Lancet paper, but I believe I'm allowed to email copies of the pdf, so if you're burning with interest, do contact me (I've made my email address available here temporarily for that purpose).  However, you can find the (longer, sorry,…
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						Oh dear......I'll see what I can do to extract a copy. Heh. I didn't realise we (I) had free access through work.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:43:38 +1300</pubDate>
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						Ooh, second author is our <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/profile?id=886" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Lucy Telfar Barnard</a>. Perhaps we can get some comment from the horse's mouth, as it were? Maybe even a pointer to a version of the paper we can access without ponying up $31..
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:08:13 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Time to change tack:</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10794083 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> From todays Herald</a> </p><p><a href="http://www.thelancet.com/search/results?searchTerm=new+zealand&amp;fieldName=AllFields&amp;journalFromWhichSearchStarted= " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Lancet and NZ.</a> Leading journal questions NZ health policy</p><p>Page includes the paper: "Increasing incidence of serious infectious diseases and inequalities in New Zealand: a national epidemiological study"</p><p>and the Editorial: "Social determinants of health and outcomes in New Zealand"</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:57:31 +1300</pubDate>
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						Yeah.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:56:55 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>I do that for fun, and the entertainment &amp; enlightenment of whanau kids- so, I’m a *terrorist* for fucks’ sake?</q></p><p>Yeah, but you didn’t negotiate to buy a grenade launcher, or threaten people who crossed your path. You didn’t bind and blindfold kids you invited into your circle. You didn’t openly…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:49:08 +1300</pubDate>
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						Remember the endangered bird of the dark, the parrot that learned to thrive therein- kakapo...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:43:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						Ah, birds or archosauria, reminders that the Mesozoic didn't end at Chicxulub... mmmm... Kaka and Kea, the intelligent cousins of Tyrannosaurs...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:38:21 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Molotov Cocktail</a>. Must be OK. Mainstreamed in Wiki now.</p><p>Yummm...<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napalm " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Napalm</a>. American. Must be good.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> And metal melting</a>. The use of it for welding rails allegedly invented here in in NZ!!</p><p>Does gathering this information into one post make me  an enemy of the state?</p><p>We…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:33:30 +1300</pubDate>
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						Nah, it doesn't work that way for me.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:24:54 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Breathe deeply. Think of oysters. Know that our world is ruled by birds.</p><p>Yesss!</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:24:06 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>No, don't &ndash; that way lies insanity!  The line between someone who writes and someone who teaches about writing cannot be crossed without ... well, whatever it is that I've done to myself.</p><p>Bloody Ian McEwan and tutorials on <em>Atonement</em>.  It's all his fault.  Threadjack imminent.  Someone get it back…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:12:39 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Hang in there &ndash; enlightenment will come via &ndash; diegesis?<br />I'll rush away &amp; google that-</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:47:00 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Red-neckery – it is emphatically not.<br /></q></p><p>That is due to my ironic useage of the term, I admit, as a contrast to my own direct experience – but not my indirect experience.  That is, I don’t do that sort of thing, but that I know people who might be stereotyped…</p>
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						<p>My family are shooters. We use (registered &amp; in every way legal) firearms to shoot/kill deer/goats/ etc. We also use (registered &amp; in every way legal) shotguns to kill things like stoats/possums/magpies/starlings/weasels etc.</p><p>When I teach whanau about the power -and danger- of explosives, I do it to emphasize those matters –…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:13:41 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Hey, I've read some of the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/15914572/IRA-Green-Book-Volumes-1-and-2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"Green Book"</a> (rule #1, stay off the piss and don't tell everyone you just joined the IRA. Sensible, that)</p><p>Apart from anything else, it's a historical document. I also have the British Army's history of the conflict.</p><p>I've never made a petrol bomb though,…</p>
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						That suggests “redneck” and “things blowed up real good” to me.  Not, I hasten to add, that it necessarily applies to this case in particular,  but (a barrage of disclaimers may be taken as granted here?), speaking as a bookish urban liberal intellectual myself, people who like setting things on…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:31:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:26:41 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Also, someone put petrol in the wrong kind of container once</q></p><p>Hmm, must remember that excuse if ever I get caught shoplifting. Or urinating in the sink. Or making love to my girlfriend….</p><p><strong>Oops – put it in the wrong container. My bad.</strong></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:21:45 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>They made, and practiced with, molotov cocktails, for fuck’s sake.</q></p><p>I do that for fun, and the entertainment &amp; enlightenment of whanau kids- so, I’m a *terrorist* for fucks’ sake?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:00:19 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>I'd like to call attention to this though:</p><p><q>The police leaked illegal evidence entirely out of context to poison the well, and the government retroactively allowed them to use such illegal evidence in other cases. They raided left-wing political activist groups throughout the country, including truly dangerous types like organic…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:39:02 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>That and finally getting Tame Iti on firearms charges after he dodged the last ones. Never underestimate the pettiness of the NZ justice system.</q></p><p>I thought the firearms charges against Iti after the flag-shooting incident were ridiculous: that was protest plain and simple. I actually value his presence as an…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:13:54 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>You will have to look far and wide to find a more striking illustration of the term “disingenuous” than the phrase “someone put petrol in the wrong kind of container once”.</q></p><p>I agree. It drives me nuts watching people come up with rationalisations about this.</p><p>They didn't "put petrol in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 19:07:16 +1300</pubDate>
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						You will have to look far and wide to find a more striking illustration of the term "disingenuous" than the phrase "someone put petrol in the wrong kind of container once".
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:36:50 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Are these the Jobs we have been seeking?.</q></p><p>You meant, 'ghost jobs'?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:08:00 +1300</pubDate>
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						The "crown" includes you, you know. Like the Levellers said,  " <em>it's what your votes condone</em> "
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						<blockquote><p>What the defendants were seen doing was little different to kids playing dress-up with unsafe toys.</p></blockquote><p>If anyone is genuinely interested in playing around with this type of gear (without the adverse recriminations), <a href="http://www.tour-beijing.com/sportstour/china_north_international_shooting_range.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">China North International Shooting Range</a> offers a wide range to choose from including AK47, various kinds of…</p>
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						<p><q>Also, someone put petrol in the wrong kind of container once</q></p><p>please tell me you're not describing molotov cocktails</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>From The Ministry of Economic Development.<br />(love the future oppurtunities mentioned in the URL)</p><p><a href="http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/standardsummary" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/standardsummary</a><em></em>43926.aspx#future%20oppurtunities</p><p><q>We're sorry, but that page doesn't exist… </p><p>...<br /> Thank you. <br />You might have been looking for…<br /> templates <br /> templates <br /> Templates and examples <br />Link VolunteerNet website.</q></p><p>Are these the Jobs we have been seeking?.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:37:02 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Never underestimate the pettiness of the NZ justice system.</q><br />And the Crown.</p>
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						<p>You know, Russell, it's not the defendants in this case that are the danger to New Zealand, it's the police (and many other government department) powers for arbitrary search, surveillance, and detention based on little better than rumour and innuendo.</p><p>We've just witnessed the trial of four political activists for…</p>
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						<p><q>Steve I think the difference between Scott and the defendants is that Scott hasn’t been spotted running round with guns and molotov cocktails.</q></p><p>Just because he hasn't been seen doesn't  mean he hasn't done it, we only have his word for that and you can't be too careful eh?.<br />What…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:33:00 +1300</pubDate>
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						That Shearer chap needs a speech-writer who can deliver.. :)
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:04:22 +1300</pubDate>
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						That lingering image of armed police boarding a school bus is a hard one to shake. From all the information we have there was no need for it to have happened. It's disturbing that we seem to find that an acceptable trade-off for pre-empting a bunch of incipient 'dickheads'.
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						<p><q>So you would hardly ever have a basis to challenge for cause.</q></p><p>My understanding is that the lawyers are allowed to know the suburb that the juror comes from, and that they couple that with the obviously observable demographic the juror appears to be in to make their decision about…</p>
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						<p><q>I think the idea that middle class white women *in particular* are subject to unfair bias is itself a bit prejudiced.</q></p><p>As a middle class white woman, I inferred that more as a complaint about the jury being largely comprised of members of *any* one subgroup of society. But you…</p>
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						<p><q>I'm most pleased that it apparently doesn't suck.</q></p><p>It's called journalism, bro.  And you is good at it.</p>
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						<p><q> <em>Russell I concur that this is the most thoughtful and informative commentary I have read on the whole saga.</em></p><p>My thoughts as well – thank you Russell.</q></p><p>Thanks. The response here and elsewhere has been flattering and gratifying. It's something I knew I'd write eventually, but of course it turned…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>I have to admit some admiration that the woman was able to recognise her own prejudice</q></p><p>I think the idea that middle class white women *in particular* are subject to unfair bias is itself a bit prejudiced.</p>
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						<p><q>Russell I concur that this is the most thoughtful and informative commentary I have read on the whole saga.</q></p><p>My thoughts as well &ndash; thank you Russell.</p>
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						<p>Steve I think the difference between Scott and the defendants is that Scott hasn't been spotted running round with guns and molotov cocktails. If he were, then by all means you should send the police round to his house.</p><p>Russell I concur that this is the most thoughtful and informative…</p>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						<p>"Presumably the pun is meant to fit the crime"</p><p>[retires] :)</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<q> They were overwhelmingly middle class white women that I left on the panel, some of whom had already told us that Tame Iti scared them etc. One of the jurors asked to be excluded because she was convinced he was guilty by how he looked. She was refused her request…</q>
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						<p><q>That’s the thing about preemptive action of any sort. It rarely gets the credit it deserves.</q></p><p>I have sent the Police round to your house, you know, just in case eh?<br />Of course, you have nothing to worry about if you have done nothing wrong, or nothing that might be…</p>
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						The cops were considering the space time continuum bless 'em.
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						<blockquote><p>These guys weren’t heroes and they weren’t terrorists. They were dickheads.</p></blockquote><p>Thankfully we may never really know if the 'dickheads' would have graduated to become fully fledged 'freedom fighters' had the cops not intervened.</p><p>That’s the thing about preemptive action of any sort. It rarely gets the credit it deserves.</p>
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						Some criminal law expert will no doubt be along  shortly to correct me but my understanding is that Islander is right.  Each party has a certain number of challenges for no cause (i.e. you need offer no reason).  As a general rule jurors get asked no questions by Judge or…
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						<p><q>Doesn’t your Lawyers have the right to decline members of the jury at time of selection?</q><br />They have a limited number of challenges (if that hasnt changed from the long-ago<br />cdenturies when I did Legal System &amp; Criminal law</p>
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						<p><q>  I would have thought that a preconception of guilt based on a defendant’s appearance would be precisely the sort of thing to cause a juror to be removed?</q></p><p>Yes indeed.Still, a jury of your peers is a mixture of minds so maybe that is acceptable. Doesn't your Lawyers have the…</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>Nothing new in that. My jury experience was the same. Once the mornings teas and "throw-the-jury-out-while-we-argue moments started, there were two who had already made up their mind. Defendant wore a league jersey for gods sake! GUILTY!</p><p>BTW Andre: How did you get excluded after empowerment? Know someone who was…</p>
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						<p>Some of the people around here are exceedingly clever....</p><p><em>"I’m guessing four people will be convicted of firearms offences and that’s it."</em> &ndash; International Observer on that other thread, 16/8/2007</p><p>Bravo!</p>
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						Andre &ndash; that's fascinating.  I would have thought that a preconception of guilt based on a defendant's appearance would be precisely the sort of thing to cause a juror to be removed?  I'm astonished that it wasn't in this case.
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						Oh no no Nick, resign from parliament too please or face charges for corruption I say. This is on a scale of that proportion Mr Key, or does having to go to the electorate scare you?
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Thanks for that, Russell. One of the most informed and reasonable takes on the whole debacle, I have read. And in accordance with my own views that everyone, on both sides,  got a bit carried away. As people so often do, in my opinion.
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						<p>Nick will be back no doubt.<br />I was excluded from the jury for the trial along with two other jurors after being empanelled. I gave them all a rant prior to departing and am relieved they didn't find them guilty on the main charge. They were overwhelmingly middle class white…</p>
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						<p><q>Jack, there's nothing stopping you making such OIA requests yourself...</q></p><p>And he can do it easily through <a href="http://fyi.org.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://fyi.org.nz/</a></p>
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						Speaking of moving on, folk have probably not missed Nick Smith's resignation from his portfolios, but not from parliament. <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6608670/Nick-Smith-resigns-ministerial-portfolios" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6608670/Nick-Smith-resigns-ministerial-portfolios</a>
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						Given that Russell and I have had (not heated) words concerning our differing diagnoses about the merits of the police case, I just want to say "ka pai."
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						<p>I've already <a href="http://blog.tallpoppy.org/2012_02_01_archive.html#887242828815799261" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">nailed my colours to the mast</a> as regards my support for the accused.  </p><p>So I'll just quote a list of questions that Annette Sykes is suggesting that the media ask: </p><p><q><br />Official Information Act requests should be posed by media:</p><p>a) How much was paid to Crown law to…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Also, this could have been dealt with very differently: a quiet word from the community cops to someone like Tamati Kruger &ndash; just let them know that TPTB know what they're up to and it would be a good idea to tone it down.</q></p><p>What makes these idiots deserving of…</p>
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						<p>"right-wing white guys like playing with guns, IMHO."</p><p>Apparently Alan Gibbs has a full-scale western town on his Kaipara property so he can play shoot'em ups with his mates. I guess paintball just doesn't do it for him.</p>
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						<p>Heh. Amazing number of four year old links that no longer point to page 405 !!!!</p><p>But going by that first post we do have a history of blunting these so called reactionaries. </p><p>Do I note that the 'white' ones seem to have been the most likely to turn out…</p>
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						<p><q>But I had hoped the police would have had a better idea of what was going on and a more appropriate response than behaving as if they were in a hollywood movie. To compound their (over)reaction with shear incompetence is just downright disappointing.</q></p><p>I guess the police &ndash; as much…</p>
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						<p><q>He sounded off after some of the young activists spilled the beans to him</q><br />Bradbury's tendency to snap into self-aggrandising headless chicken mode was treated as news in itself, by people who really should have known better.</p>
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						<p><q>I overestimated the competence of the police.</q></p><p>This for me is the saddest part of the whole mess. </p><p>I don't know what those folks were doing in the bush and probably will never know. But I had hoped the police would have had a better idea of what was going…</p>
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						<q> When these raids occurred I thought at the time that the cops had gotten completely the wrong idea of what was happening in Urewera. In effect what was happening was a few guys playing “cop ‘n’ robbers”. They were acting the part, but there was no way it was anything…</q>
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						<p><q>Right, those would be restricted weapons (<a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1984/0122/latest/whole.html#DLM95644)." target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1984/0122/latest/whole.html#DLM95644).</a> A flare launcher such as a Very pistol wouldn’t be, I think.</p><p>If someone made a general enquiry, it wouldn’t be an offence – they might have taken the course of acquiring a legal flare launcher.</q></p><p>Sunday News <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-news/latest-edition/125181/Grenade-launcher-swapped-for-website" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">covered this in 2009</a>. It…</p>
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						<p><q>Also, this could have been dealt with very differently: a quiet word from the community cops to someone like Tamati Kruger – just let them know that TPTB know what they’re up to and it would be a good idea to tone it down.</q></p><p>I don't disagree much with that.…</p>
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						<p><q>In my first post on the case</q></p><p>Man, that was a bumout blast from the past. Not only was I a complete dick throughout, but sighting Finn Higgins' posts teared me up.</p>
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						<p>Right, those would be restricted weapons (<a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1984/0122/latest/whole.html#DLM95644)." target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1984/0122/latest/whole.html#DLM95644).</a> A flare launcher such as a Very pistol wouldn't be, I think.</p><p>If someone made a general enquiry, it wouldn't be an offence &ndash; they might have taken the course of acquiring a legal flare launcher.</p>
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						<p><q>They chose to get involved in the gunplay</q></p><p>Prosecution as punishment? You haven't done anything provably illegal, but we can make your life very awkward as a reprisal. (See also Kim Dotcom, I suspect).</p><p>Also, this could have been dealt with very differently: a quiet word from the community cops…</p>
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						<p><q>And as I understand it, the same equipment can be used to launch grenades or flares. It’s been described both ways in reports</q></p><p>By flares they probably mean illumination rounds (“illum” in military parlance) or smoke. These, along with 40mm HE grenades, can be fired from weapons like the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M79_grenade_launcher" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">M79</a>,…</p>
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						<p><q>Presumably, the pun is meant to fit the crime.</q></p><p>Oh, bravo sir.</p>
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						<p><q>Great pun!</q></p><p>Presumably, the pun is meant to fit the crime.</p>
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						<p><q>I’m amazed that Bradbury has enjoyed any credibility since his claim back in 2007 to be down with the activists while simultaneously channeling the anxieties of middle NZ. I’m also mildly surprised that he wasn’t rounded up at the time on the strength of his dopey nickname.</q></p><p>He sounded off…</p>
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						<p><q>He wasn’t charged with that? So either those things aren’t illegal (do you mean ’ a grenade launcher or a flare launcher ‘ or ’ a grenade or a flare launcher ’?) or there was no reasonable evidence.</q></p><p>There was evidence given by the owner of the arms store. Kemara…</p>
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						<p><q>evidence about someone else's napalm proclivities would be unnecessarily inflammatory.</q></p><p>Great pun!</p>
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						<p><q> the avowedly (and still) Leftist, Bomber Bradbury was on record saying something like, "the moment you pick up a gun, you're no longer a peace activist."</q><br />I'm amazed that Bradbury has enjoyed any credibility since his claim back in 2007 to be down with the activists while simultaneously channeling the…</p>
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						<p><q>They were acting the part, but there was no way it was anything serious. Sure, they might’ve said things, but there was no way they were actually going to do anything.</q></p><p>Well, apart from buying quite a few weapons and other military equipment and scaring the hell out of some…</p>
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						<p><q>Kemara even attempted to buy a grenade or flare launcher</q></p><p>He wasn't charged with that? So either those things aren't restricted weapons (do you mean ' <em>a grenade launcher or a flare launcher</em> ' or ' <em>a grenade or a flare launcher</em> '?) or there was no reasonable evidence.</p><p>Jamie…</p>
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						<p><q>Is it OK to not feel much sympathy for anyone in this horrendous (and not very amusing) farce?</q></p><p>The whole thing sounds like a plague on everyone's houses. If I recall correctly, the avowedly (and still) Leftist, Bomber Bradbury was on record saying something like, "the moment you pick up…</p>
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						<p><q>In my first post on the case, I noted that The Dominion Post had published a story under the screaming headline ‘Napalm bombs found in anti-terror swoop’. Those bombs were presumably lost again, because they formed no part of the evidence presented in court. </q></p><p>I have no idea, but something…</p>
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						<p><q> and the decision to set up a checkpoint on the historic confiscation line was staggeringly stupid.</q></p><p>Yes.  I suspect that it was deliberate, designed to show Tuhoe exactly who was boss.  If it was deliberate, then it was an even more staggeringly stupid thing to do.</p>
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						<p>I grew up in Gisborne. I've crossed paths with a lot of Tuhoe people and frequently holidayed at Waikaremoana back then. I think I've got an ok understanding of what the Tuhoe are like compared to a lot of other people including the media and the cops.</p><p>When these raids…</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>caught up in their own narrative. </q><br />Well yes. It happens a lot nowadays, funny that...</p>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						If it's also okay for me to love Tāme Iti's court wardrobe.
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						Is it OK to not feel much sympathy for anyone in this horrendous (and not very amusing) farce?
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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