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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>Not all artists with African ancestry played disco music.</q></p><p>Umm &ndash; really not all what I said. It was a disaster for the Black owned, orientated or controlled recording industry across the board. Radio stations across the US switched formats from soul, r&amp;b and so on to top 40, Classic Rock…</p>
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				<title>dyan campbell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The tail end of disco was a disaster for the music industry, and most especially the Black independent scene which didn't recover until the mid 1980s and the rise of hip-hop.</p></blockquote><p>The tail end of disco was a disaster for  <em>some</em>   in the music industry, But there were plenty of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:09:22 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>I remember &ndash; and I might have mentioned this before &ndash; some young chubby guy being interviewed on brekky telly by Kate Hawkesby when Love brought whichever touring circus he was touting as The Beach Boys at the time, to NZ for a vineyard show, in the early 2000s.</p><p>A…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 09:32:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>Well, if you want to go there, then let the thread death spiral continue!</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ5MhR9rvdQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ5MhR9rvdQ</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 09:25:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<p>Always a pleasure.</p><p>Or, as Frankie says, <em>Welcome to the Pleasuredome</em>.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJMc8GgtZUs&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJMc8GgtZUs&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 09:08:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Thankyou Simon, thank you Jackson. That made me very happy. I stopped loving Rod a long time ago, but that brought back a bit of the love for me.
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Those first three Rod solo albums were fucking fantastic.</q><br />Were they what. More than enough to earn him an eternity playing trains.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 23:32:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>but "the worst thing he did?" That's a mighty big call.</q></p><p>How about suing Al Jardine to prevent him telling concert goers he used to be in The Beach Boys, or suing Brian Wilson last year to prevent him playing Smile live. Not only was it an album he torpedoed…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 23:00:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>I'm still waiting for your spirited defense of Sailing</q></p><p>Atlantic Crossing was produced by <a href="http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tom+Dowd" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tom Dowd</a> (look down <em>that</em> list of credits and weep with joy).  It got massively positive press on release, deservedly so I'd argue. Hell, even the NME rated it.</p><p>How's that?</p><p>Mostly <a href="http://www.discogs.com/Rod-Stewart-Foot-Loose-Fancy-Free/master/93790" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> was when it…</p>
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				<title>bmk</title>
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						<p><q>especially Huey Lewis and the News</q></p><p>I loved Patrick Bateman's raving spiel on Huey Lewis and the News.</p>
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				<title>st ephen</title>
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						<p><q>Those first three Rod solo albums were fucking fantastic. </q></p><p>Pffft, too easy Simon, just like the last time when you stood up for Elton. I'm still waiting for your spirited defense of <em>Sailing</em>, <em>Do ya think I'm sexy?</em> and especially Huey Lewis and the News...   ;-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 21:03:17 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>The worst thing he did (okay your story was pretty vile but...) was suing Brian Wilson for half the writer's copyright on Beach Boys songs he played no part in writing.</q></p><p>Absolutely true, but "the worst thing he did?" That's a <em>mighty</em> big call.</p><p>#fuckMikeLove</p><p><br /><q>Rod &amp; The Faces @ Western…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:37:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>For Jackie</q></p><p>Those first three Rod solo albums were fucking fantastic. </p><p>As was Rod &amp; The Faces @ Western Springs Jan 27, '74. They came on to the theme from The Stripper, and finished with a rawkus Stay With Me and Rod's 'Thank you for your time.... and your money'. He…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:06:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>My favourite Twitter hashtag ever: #fuckMikeLove</q></p><p>Used it often.</p><p>The worst thing he did (okay your story was pretty vile but...) was suing Brian Wilson for half the writer's copyright on Beach Boys songs he played no part in writing. Not only was it fairly universally agreed he had zip…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe for Mike Love?</q></p><p>My favourite Twitter hashtag ever: #fuckMikeLove. Because seriously, fuck that guy. One of his many crimes: calling the other Beach Boys into the loo to marvel at the size of a shit he had just produced. Blurgh.</p>
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				<title>dyan campbell</title>
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						<p>For Jackie<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJo3w66JorM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJo3w66JorM</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:12:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Hey! I resemble that statement. In 1978, Rod Stewart was my second boyfriend (Elton was my first).
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the human and creative wreckage that the bandwagon jumpers created</q></p><p>I blame Roger the alien's infernal time-travelling cassette</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_P185MVQBQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_P185MVQBQ</a></p><p>though there were consequences..</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lbOa8XHs1c" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lbOa8XHs1c</a></p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>The rise of – post Saturday Night Fever – disco pap, and the racist reaction to it, destroyed large numbers of these and bankrupted companies like TK in Florida. Others – the likes of Philadelphia International, Salsoul and more – either just struggled through by dropping all their acts or…</q>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>Warning: this video is not suitable for... well... anyone, really</q></p><p>Maybe for Mike Love?</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>We ain't no suit-wearing businessmen like you, Simon....</q></p><p>My feelings are tainted by something like that I guess, however  for me it's more to do with with the human and creative wreckage that the bandwagon jumpers created than anything else. </p><p>The early years of disco were those of groundbreaking and…</p>
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						<p><strong>Warning:</strong> this  video is not suitable for... well... anyone, really.</p><p>(1979)<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZtTUeR6WS0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZtTUeR6WS0</a></p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Even hard rockers got in on the act…</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UgDsZQhJ4w" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UgDsZQhJ4w</a></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNGNLo8K6Fk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNGNLo8K6Fk</a></p><p>But at least they didn't sell out like a certain Rod Stewart song from 1978...</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Oh, Disco. How I love you. I was about to accuse Simon of disco snobbery and then I recalled that a wee while ago, I bought 3 very cheap CDs of "disco songs" from the Warehouse, and when I ripped them onto my HD, I was appalled at myself. They…
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						<p><q>We ain't no suit-wearing businessmen like you, Simon</q></p><p>FTR, today I'm wearing a suit.  Sorry Rich.  It's not white though, so there's that.</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>The unfortunate thing (for me) about that was that those sorts of tunes were conflated with genuine groundbreakers</q> </p><p><q>In the end, I just loved to dance</q></p><p>We ain't no suit-wearing businessmen like you, Simon...you know we're just dancers I s'pose, and we want our pop funk beats.</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynmXoy053GU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynmXoy053GU</a></p><p>Dropping this in, simply because it's such an excellent tune from 79, which I've been thrashing the last few days.</p><p>The fact that it stands up to reworks is testament to the original.</p>
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						<p><q>14 and 15</q></p><p>I was older than that.  Sweet (cough) mumble.  It was the only place that we could get in.  Well, I suppose I got into Zanzibar, Keeley's and Quay Street too.</p><p>In the end, I just loved to dance...<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdLrEQo2LAc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdLrEQo2LAc</a></p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>These are amongst my favourite teenage memories</q></p><p>I'm telling yer bro! </p><p>Went to a police licensing meeting once at Central. All the clubs were there. The cops began berating Brett Shepherd who owned Alfies for &ndash; night after night &ndash; pouring 14 and 15 year olds back onto High Street…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Brigid said "Sounds like a drag show at Alfies</q></p><p>high five</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>reality check...</strong><br /><q>That'll likely be your clock that's out, Ian</q><br /> <doh> ooops, you are right! I've been a.m. when I shoulda been p.m. or vice versa.<br />ta for that...</p>
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						<p><q>"Sounds like a drag show at Alfies &ndash; what is it?"</q></p><p>These are amongst my favourite teenage memories, so your point is?  ;-)<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKstAXq2hh8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKstAXq2hh8</a></p>
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						<p><q>leave Babs aloooone!!!11!!!</q></p><p>I won't y'know.  </p><p>I clicked the first link and Brigid said "Sounds like a drag show at Alfies &ndash; what is it?"</p><p>The unfortunate thing (for me) about that was that those sorts of tunes were conflated with genuine groundbreakers like:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opStrs94WKc&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opStrs94WKc&amp;feature=related</a></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnNYCV5gJbE&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnNYCV5gJbE&amp;feature=related</a></p><p>(as an aside, the…</p>
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						<p><q> Ethel Merman did a disco album.</q></p><p>No, I did not know that.  And still don't.</p><p>Step aside, the gates of <em>Moroder</em> are opening.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAbJ_5E_EGI&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAbJ_5E_EGI&amp;feature=related</a></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDZRtquz2-4&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDZRtquz2-4&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>Yeah Simon, leave Babs aloooone!!!11!!!</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnPl6KV2LUw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnPl6KV2LUw</a></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYClk5V7n4M" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYClk5V7n4M</a></p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p>Simon, you can pry my goddamn Olivia Newton-John mp3s from my cold, dead iPod. </p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byhs-qVzkNA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byhs-qVzkNA</a></p><p>(You can't deny that pink lurex belted tunic. I defy you to.)</p><p>Also, I hope you were all aware that Ethel Merman did a disco album.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUmXYCUiv2s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUmXYCUiv2s</a></p>
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						<p><q>So I'm just wondering why the auto-assessment of when things were posted is half a day out of whack?</q></p><p>That'll likely be <em>your</em> clock that's out, Ian. Same has happened to me.</p>
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						<p><q>So I'm just wondering why the auto-assessment of when things were posted is half a day out of whack?</q></p><p>It's accurate at mine, so maybe only your end. Of course, just displaying the actual date/time would solve that problem..</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>It's also a subject covered in some detail in (if memory serves) the book 'last night a dj saved my life'</q></p><p>Also in the recent hip-hop history The Big Payback, which examines the racist overtones &ndash; blatant &ndash; of the US anti-disco movement. The irony being that disco, after The…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Proof that time is mutable</strong><br /><q>Sacha, in reply to Joe Wylie, <br />About 12 hours ago</q><br />which was actually 13.02 Sept 7 &ndash; ie about ten minutes ago !! So I'm just wondering why the auto-assessment of when things were posted is half a day out of whack?</p>
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						<p><q>shadow pouncing</q></p><p>heh</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Captain Starlight!</p><p>He had a mobile disco and played out at least into the late 80s.</q><br />So he was real, more or less. Nice. <br />I'd like to think he drove a Bedford Jumbo with mags.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Discos with diss...</strong><br />I remember there used to be the odd altercation between punks and discoers outside places like The Liberty Stage (bands upstairs and disco downstairs)...</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>When "Captain Starlight" or some such took a mildly dismissive tone towards things punk ...</q></p><p>Captain Starlight!</p><p>He had a mobile disco and played out at least into the late 80s. I know this because our floor manager recently bought a box of his old 7"s on Trade Me. It's…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						Around 1978 there were a few brief letters re. disco vs. punk published in Rip It Up. "Donna Summer" wrote that disco was all about loving one another.  When "Captain  Starlight" or some such took a mildly dismissive tone towards things punk, Sid Somebody-or-other threatened to "slash him with my…
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>I was very surprised to read the "Disco Sucks" movement had any racist subtext</q></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">From the wiki on disco demolition night</a></p><p><q>Nile Rodgers, producer and guitarist for the popular disco-era group Chic said "It felt to us like Nazi book-burning. This is America, the home of jazz and rock and…</q></p>
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				<title>dyan campbell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>At our school everyone agreed that disco was dead; the debate/shitfest was over whether it had been killed by punk or reggae. But this was 1979, by which time Dylan Taite was interviewing Bob Marley in NZ and the punk/reggae split had started to align along ethnic lines.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry to…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>Oh now I'm getting all nostalgic </q></p><p>I do remember a time when there was but one Indian restaurant in Auckland. That seems vaguely impossible now.</p><p>But, then I also recall an incredible Peruvian place in High Street in the early 1980s. Their chilli bowl (various chillies shredded into some sort…</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Oh now I'm getting all nostalgic &ndash; when you talk about that corner, I immediately thought of the Italian place just down a wee bit, that always used to be so fantastic. I think it's even still there, but utter shit if my meal there a few years ago was…
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						<p><q> the Jade Garden </q></p><p>Bottom of Khyber Pass. It was maybe the first Dim Sim place, or one of them &ndash; there was a place on the corner of Victoria and Albert about the same time.  It was a record label haunt in the days when they had money for such…</p>
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						I remember a place in Newmarket &ndash; was it called the Jade Garden or some such?  Would have been the late 70's we went there, I think.
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>the Mekong, on Victoria Street.</q><br />Opened in about 1978, the CBD's first Vietnamese. Initially a rather higher level of bowing &amp; scraping than NZers were comfortable with. A friendly &amp; relaxed place once they caught on,</p>
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						<p><q>occasionally (read as ‘days when lots of mail orders for Duran Duran books hit the RIU PO box’) we might be treated to the Vietnamese place at the back of the Civic, facing Aotea square, if my memory serves me well…</q></p><p>I think there was also the Mekong, on Victoria…</p>
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						<p><q>The Saigon.</q><br />That's the one ! I'm guessing it was never renamed <br />to The Ho Chi Minh City, though...<br />:- )</p>
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						<p><q>we might be treated to the Vietnamese place at the back of the Civic, facing Aotea square, if my memory serves me well...</q></p><p>The Saigon. </p><p>I used to get taken there by <a href="http://chrisbourke.blogspot.com/2009/03/warren-of-western-springs.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Phil Warren</a> on occasion too when he felt I needed mentorly  'advice'.  The fact that he was head-tenant…</p>
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						<p><strong>fine dine ng...</strong><br /><q> Murray Cammick used to take us there on Rip It Up deadlines.<br />&ndash; Murray always knew all the best Chinese places and loved his takeaways...</q><br />occasionally (read as 'days when lots of mail orders for Duran Duran books hit the RIU PO box') we might be treated…</p>
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						<p><q>It was good. Murray Cammick used to take us there on Rip It Up deadlines.</q></p><p>Snap &ndash; it was with Mo (and Bryan Staff) that I used to go there. I think my expectations of Asian food were somewhat lower in those days though.</p><p>Murray always knew all the best…</p>
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						<p>As patron of the (A)NZ Republican movement, I have an on-going bet with a Famous australian Author...to wit, ANZ will become a republic before Oz does...<br />I have good reasons to believe this-</p>
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						<p><q>What was that place next to Strangely Normal in Hobson St? That – and it may be a false memory given the bar was so low – was pretty ok in the 80s, but that was about it in the central city at the time.</q></p><p>Wun Loy.</p><p>It was good.…</p>
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						<p><q>It’s a long way from the days when your reasonable Chinese food options (i.e. not just variations on Chop Suey, Egg Fu Yung, Sweet &amp; Sour or Chow Mein) could be counted on the fingers of one hand.</q></p><p>When we brought the Singaporean blogger Mr Brown over several years ago, he…</p>
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						<p><q>Flourishing Cafe in Avondale.</q></p><p>I've passed it a thousand times and not tried yet. Must be time.</p>
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						<p><q>Flourishing Cafe in Avondale.</q></p><p>Did that one once &ndash; yes indeed!</p><p>It's a long way from the days when your reasonable Chinese food options (i.e. not just variations on Chop Suey, Egg Fu Yung, Sweet &amp; Sour or Chow Mein) could be counted on the fingers of one hand.</p><p>What was…</p>
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						<p><q>Flourishing Cafe in Avondale. </q></p><p>Thanks for the tip.  Foodie blog?  We're so nearly there, without even trying.  Just sayin'.</p>
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						<p><q>Nice photos. Talk about ‘salivational’. I would be eating almost continuously if I lived there.</q></p><p>I was moved to ordain a Father's day dinner at Flourishing Cafe in Avondale. Different cuisine, I know, but I cannot believe how much the three of us ate.</p>
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						<p><q>Yep.</q></p><p>Nice photos.  Talk about 'salivational'.  I would be eating almost continuously if I lived there.<br /><q>You should try and get back there for the annual silent film festival (silent but for the piano and audience laughter) .</q>  <br />Thanks Geoff.  It sounds like it would be worth a trip.  Although…</p>
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						Thanks, Sacha. I should have looked more closely.
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						I only know what's in that DomPost article I linked
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						<p>The De Luxe carries on, with Friday and Saturday and school holiday screenings.--but very dependent on community volunteers and fund-raising. You should try and get back there for the annual silent film festival (silent but for the piano and audience laughter) .</p><p>The De Luxe is pretty much part of…</p>
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						<p><q>Not online but Wayne Brittenden’s The Celluloid Circus: The Heyday of the New Zealand Picture Theatre (Godwit Books, 2008) is an excellent source–and it includes photos of the Roxy and the Princess (and The Lido, which I remember bettter).</q></p><p>That's great, thanks. I shall look that one out. </p><p>Yup, I…</p>
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						<p><q>* but I do include some history, such as the De Luxe in Opotiki celebrating its 85 year of operation.</q></p><p>That was my childhood cinema, and where I saw my first motion picture.  I would dearly love to see/read whatever it is you produce from this exercise.  Did you have…</p>
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						<p><q>New art house venues</q></p><p>Like Welli's <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5330825/New-cinema-planned-for-Te-Aro" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Te Aro one</a> announced recently.</p>
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						<p><q>Geoff, are you aware of any online history of the original Roxy cinema in Wellington? Or the Princess and any of the other pre-Chase fleapits?</q></p><br /><br /><p>Not online but Wayne Brittenden's <em>The Celluloid Circus: The Heyday of the New Zealand Picture Theatre</em> (Godwit Books, 2008) is an excellent source--and it includes…</p>
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						Compelling, eh. I had to go and cook
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						<p><q>I’ll go all nepotistic here and plug Brigid’s food blog – the second half of this post is an incredible family owned Southern Thai eatery near us. The images say more than I could.</q></p><p>Wow. And those are her photos too?</p>
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						Geoff, are you aware of any online history of the original Roxy cinema in Wellington? Or the Princess and any of the other pre-Chase fleapits?
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						<p><q>Ta. I think we discussed that crossover into NE Malaysian cuisine, didn't we?</q></p><p>Yes indeed. Hungry now.</p><p>I'll go all nepotistic here and plug <a href="http://thegirlinawhirl.com/2011/09/01/always-a-pleasure-part-2/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Brigid's food blog</a>  &ndash; the second half of this post is an incredible family owned Southern Thai eatery near us. The images say more than I…</p>
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						<p><q>Southern Thai</q></p><p>Ta. I think we discussed that crossover into NE Malaysian cuisine, didn't we?</p>
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						<p>Well, this is an interesting conversation I have come late to...just been on a round trip Hamilton-Napier-Gisborne-Opotiki, visiting cinemas along the way (for my www.cinemasofnz.info website), ending up at the silent film festival in  Opotiki. *<br />Interesting to experience contrasting versions of New Zealand on display--on one side of the…</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.cnngo.com/mumbai/none/indian-chinese-food-598134" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.cnngo.com/mumbai/none/indian-chinese-food-598134</a> is a pretty good backgrounder</p><p>Chinese merchants from India come here in pretty large numbers so I guess it didn't take long to cross over.</p><p>And of course, Southern Thai (as compared to the more northern and north eastern flavours we think as Thai food in NZ) has strong…</p>
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						<p><q>Indian infused Chinese is a hot cuisine</q></p><p>Intrigued. Examples?</p>
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						<p><q>Nu Zihlindlish, lah? Except it will have a slight Indian lilt, I’m sure.</q></p><p>So, like Malaysia? I have a friend &ndash; Chinese Malaysian &ndash; who almost sounds Indian at times. </p><p>Indian infused Chinese is a hot cuisine here right now, so why not the language :)</p>
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						Actually, just looking at those figures; that’s about 2% arriving annually, and 2% leaving. There certainly is some overlap between the two figures – I met a guy in Melbourne who’d been an immigrant, lived on my street in Mangere, and then shifted. But assuming little, for simplicity’s sake, then…
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						<p><q>There's actually quite a high level of immigration.</q></p><p>It was late at night and I didn't think those figures through, so cheers George.</p><p>I'd be interested to know what the flow through figures are &ndash; how many last a year or two then head over to the Western Island? A…</p>
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						<p><q><br />nearby Marrickville there’s many Greeks and Vietnamese… around the corner in Leichhardt where you can easily find yourself one of the few English language speakers in many cafes.<br /></q></p><p>I remember the first time a Lebanese friend described me as 'Anglo'. I was a little taken aback, unsure what it meant…</p>
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						<p>Thanks George, I was being lazy and appreciate your sourcing the data. </p><p>I also agree with you comments re Australia, I agree there's some stereotypical traits which are often in evidence but I live in Petersham, richness for me means the Portuguese who've established a large community, nearby Marrickville there's…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Australia’s often reduced to simple caricatures, which have some basis in fact, but which strip away the tensions and the richness that lies in Australia’s culture. It’s by no means black and white (except, of course, when it is).</q><br />Having spent close to two decades of my adult life there…</p>
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						<p><q><br />Wow that is a terrifying low level of immigration<br /></q></p><p>There's actually quite a high level of immigration. It's just matched on the other side by emigration. <br /><q><br />There were 84,600 PLT arrivals in the July 2011 year, up 3 percent from the July 2010 year.<br />There were 81,800 PLT departures, up…</q></p>
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						<p><q>using butter knives to transfer butter to the side of your plate</q></p><p>so <em>that's</em> what those things are for</p>
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						<p><q>Wow that is a terrifying low level of immigration</q></p><p>Your membership of Winston First is revoked</p>
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						My father spoke like that and not sure whether it came from his family background or the English masters at Christ College. My mother also referred to the 'U' and 'Non U' words she had learnt as a child that one had to remember at all times. They included 'sweet'…
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						<p><q><br />“It was a big thing realising I wasn’t from there, I was of the Pacific.”</p><p>But good, huh?!<br /></q></p><p>Yeah, really good. Driving round Mangere this morning made my heart sing. A sea of red flags flutter from cars and buildings (Samoan and Tongan) in anticipation of the rugby, and being…</p>
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						<p><q>Same. It was a big thing realising I wasn’t from there, I was of the Pacific.</q></p><p>On a slightly different note, while still living in NZ, I attended a conference in Adelaide which include a session for “Island nations” which, when me and another kiwi attended, prompted considerable surprise amongst…</p>
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						Another overwhelmingly common one is <a href="http://www.grammarerrors.com/pronunciation/forte-pronounced-for-tay/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">forte</a> , in fact this one is so common that I deliberately mispronounce it as otherwise people will think I am the one making the mistake.
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						<p>Here you go, Simon</p><p><a href="http://www.emigratenz.org/migrants.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.emigratenz.org/migrants.html</a></p>
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						Does New Zealand still get most of its immigrants from the UK? I can't find any information on that.
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						<p><q>But returning to accents, the regional accent differences in the UK absolutely fascinated me. Such a tiny country, and such huge variations in language. I’m sure Jen could shed light, but I still can’t really get my head around why the differences are so huge.</q></p><p>It's a small country, but…</p>
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						<p><q> The New Zild thing is interesting, isn’t it? I can still remember Angela D’Audney reading the news and pronouncing the days of the week “Wednesdee, Thursdee” etc. Very posh.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/1966/new-zealand-speech/9" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">From the 1966 Encyclopaedia of New Zealand:</a></p><p>__Both in New Zealand and in Australia the names of the days, also holiday,…</p>
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						To be fair on England, I have never really felt affinity for any of Europe. It's not my fault that my ancestors came from there, and they did what they could to change that.
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>It was a big thing realising I wasn't from there, I was of the Pacific.</q></p><p>But good, huh?!</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>I find it interesting how little NZ seems to have gained from the independent foreign policy of the 80s.</q></p><p>It was briefly exciting there wasn't it. For a moment we had an opinion. </p><p>In a way I prefer the current government's foreign stance to the last. We know &ndash; and…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>However, I was also bought back to earth with a resounding cultural bang when I moved there. Large parts of what I thought would resonate with me made me cringe.</q></p><p>Same. It was a big thing realising I wasn't from there, I was of the Pacific.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>A failure of the Howard government was the inability to deal with the fact that this had changed. </q><br />Definitely. Perhaps the most rapid about-face of the Howard era was his hand-on-heart vision of Australia as regional 'deputy' to the US. Once his minders pointed out the implications the refrain instantly…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>It's still a mystery to McCully</q></p><p>His ongoing dry humping and craving a pat on the head from big daddy is embarrassing to behold.</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q> I still do feel a strong affinity for parts of the culture.</q></p><p>Same.  </p><p>However, I was also bought back to earth with a resounding cultural bang when I moved there. Large parts of what I thought would resonate with me made me cringe.</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>Except, perhaps, where that brilliance has been eclipsed and bedazzled by things imperially American.</q></p><p>You could argue that working that out was part of what they did well  &ndash; for right or wrong. When the Australia aligned themselves with the US they did so in the clear knowledge  that the…</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Yes. I merrily went on my OE in 1987, expecting to find a culture much like mine, expecting there to be not many differences at all. I think I was in culture shock for the first few months. And yet, so very many of my compatriots seemed to have no…
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Australia has always been brilliant at working out where they sit in the world and adjusting their gaze to suit.</q><br />Except, perhaps, where that brilliance has been eclipsed and bedazzled by things imperially American. The Hawke-endorsed Crocodile Dundee posturing, essentially a mass fawning to a US audience, might have faded…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>And yet, the ability to engage with British cultural tropes was an important part of my self-realisation as a younger man. I still do feel a strong affinity for parts of the culture.</q></p><p>Too true. Cultural fascination is one thing, cargo cultism is quite another. It applies equally to Britain…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Quite. The implications in the homeland are quite ugly, as is the history – often quite recent – behind them. Our benign – rose tinted even – grasp of the Imperial British legacy still astounds me at times.</q></p><p>And yet, the ability to engage with British cultural tropes was an…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Immediately after Chch in February, one report we were watching talked of the urgent need to ensure fast access to milk and bread. I probably wouldn’t have blinked if I was in-country but it sounded mighty odd from this angle.</q></p><p>East Asia in effect. Most of my Chinese friends struggle…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 18:25:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>Not everyone lives on mulk and cheddar.</q></p><p>Immediately after Chch in February, one report we were watching talked of the urgent need to ensure fast access to milk and bread. I probably wouldn't have blinked if I was in-country but it sounded mighty odd from this angle.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Example of living in the past &ndash; when news stories about food prices ignore *rice* as a staple. Not everyone lives on mulk and cheddar.
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q> I've never got the Mother England thing.</q></p><p>It's odd the way that any half baked story from the UK seems to get instant media legs &ndash; both tabloid and mainstream &ndash; ahead of big parts of what happens in our own backyard.  </p><p>Australia has always been brilliant at working out…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Mother England is not as distant as we would claim it to be.</q></p><p>It's one of the things that has always made me feel like a stranger in my own country. I've never got the Mother England thing.</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>Then I realise that New Zealand engages in the same game &ndash; it dances around class, and the implications that the titles had and still have, especially in relation to the country that bore them, pretending as if there is none.</q></p><p>Quite. The implications in the homeland are quite ugly,…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						it's a challenge for game designers..
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				<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 15:56:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q><br />We are quite different in that way. I think it’s accepted that it’s when rather than if Australia becomes a republic – partially because of it’s history which was never as subservient as ours (witness the withdrawal of forces from Europe in WW2).</p><p>The reintroduction of honours in NZ was…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 15:56:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Yes, however influenced by online buddies one might be, getting an actual bong hit from them is quite unlikely.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>And he’s interacting with them verbally as well, eh, as gamers sometime do?</q></p><p>These days, yes. He’s been doing voice chat with his buddies for a couple of years now, in-game text talking for a long time.</p><p>It’s a pretty safe environment, really. There’s sometimes a bit of talk about…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>In Australia, John Howard is staunchly monarchist, even though he didn't bring back knighthoods. He did, however, effectively set up the republicanism debate to fail.</q></p><p>True, but can you imagine the fuss in Australia if he had tried to reintroduce these? From across the spectrum I'd argue.</p><p>We are quite…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>I’m trying think of another country on planet earth too, that would have so compliantly re-introduced the core of the British feudal honours system as we did just a couple of years back. Mother England is not as distant as we would claim it to be.</q></p><p>In Australia, John Howard…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>Come to think of it, closer to home the bodgie &amp; widgie subculture &ndash; clearly American-inspired &ndash; would probably have been another factor in pulling away from the influence of 'Mother England'.</q></p><p>And <a href="http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/culture/beatles" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">then came</a> the 60s.</p><p>I'm trying think of another country on planet earth too, that would have so…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						And he's interacting with them verbally as well, eh, as gamers sometime do?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Peers now include online ones.</q></p><p>Overwhelmingly, in Leo's case.</p>
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						The Samoan connection with LA would be an interesting influence on language in NZ, especially Auckland. Seem to hear the same "rrr" sound as Southland has from young Pasifika people now.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Doesn’t that reflect a consolidation of mass media/culture industries there from the east coast?</q></p><p>Indeed. It all coincided with New York losing its entertainment industry monopoly to Hollywood, even though the TV stations are still NY-based.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>In the first half of the 20th century, the Mid-Atlantic dialect was dominant in film &amp; TV. Now, it seems to be the California-West Coast accent that's in vogue.</q></p><p>Doesn't that reflect a consolidation of mass media/culture industries there from the east coast?</p>
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						<p>Even America itself went through its own linguistic changes. In the first half of the 20th century, the Mid-Atlantic dialect was dominant in film &amp; TV. Now, it seems to be the California-West Coast accent that's in vogue.</p><p>I'd wager things truly started to change with the youth cultures of the…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Peers now include online ones.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>There is also the incredible influence of American television programming – listening to NZ adolescents now, it is definitely more American Standard accent.</q></p><p>You should hear our younger boy. Jen has told me that children still largely pick up their accents from family and peers, but &mdash; this is just…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>The interviewees were primarily Maori children around 8 to 10 BUT invariabably they were speaking a very crisp BBC English</q></p><p>Were those kids from Maori-speaking homes, I wonder? I expect that if you were taught English as a second language in the earlier parts of the 20th century in NZ,…</p>
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				<title>David Herkt</title>
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						I used to have a dub of an NZBC 1960s documentary from the TVNZ Archives on New Zealand country schools that I used to run for people to just watch their dawning reactions. The interviewees were primarily Maori children around 8 to 10 BUT invariabably they were speaking a very…
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Yeah, the accents that are preserved in TV &amp; radio (&amp; music) recordings are a mixture of:</p><p>(i) people’s genuine (untutored, unaffected) accents – which were still quite a mixture: bear in mind, in the early 1970s, something over 20% of NZ adults (and a higher proportion of the middle-class NZ adults…</p>
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						<p><q>Trekking around the South Island in the early 1980s you'd find pockets where you had to ask folk to repeat themselves or talk slowly.</q></p><p>Indeed. I can remember doing the same in the summer of '94/'95; hitching a ride (Picton to Blenheim or similar) with a guy who asked us…</p>
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						<p><q>where they were all taught to speak that way</q></p><p>A certain ex was proficient at switching on when required that posh voice she learned in school. Instant respect from prospective landlords, for some strange reason. Class lives on.</p>
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						<p><q>I mean the special "broadcasting" voice as opposed to the way people generally spoke, and the two aren't necessarily the same. I hear a underlying accent accent in pre-70s recordings of NZers that seems quite distinct to me. I quite like it.</q></p><p>Oh, I see (and agree).</p><p>Funnily enough, Damian's…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>the metallic local twang glossed with the plum that always came out for the cameras.</p></blockquote><p>Methinks the plum was from being well educated middle class kids. Thank the education system I say.</p><p> Except for Dicky Driver, hahahaha, he had Neil Roberts fooled. How to exploit being born in the UK…</p>
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				<title>Dave Patrick</title>
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						<p>I had to import my copy of <em>Inflammable Material</em> from Australia because you just couldn't buy it in New Zealand. Cost me $20 from an ad in the back of <em>Rip It Up</em>, back when new albums were only $7.</p><p>My punk epiphany came at my 6th Form accrediting party…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>My mum and uncle both had elocution training. It’s actually served Mum well as a teacher. Her accent has naturally rolled with the yuf, but she has fantastic voice projection and clarity. It didn’t sound like an unusual experience in her circle.</q></p><p>My mum had elocution and, thus, so did…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>I know exactly what Russell means. My aunts speak like that still. In fact Winston Peters speaks like that.</p><p>I'm working through some of the older films <a href="http://www.nzonscreen.com/watch/short-film" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>. NZBC-style narrators predominate, but there are <a href="http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/tuberculosis-and-the-maori-people-1952" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">other voices</a>.</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						I didn't have elocution lessons, but I did, from quite a young age, go to speech and drama lessons. But then in the 60's and 70's, for kids in my demographic, in Auckland anyway, the extracurricular stuff that happened was limited to: music, ballet, speech and drama, or sport of…
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>I hear a underlying accent accent in pre-70s recordings of NZers that seems quite distinct to me. I quite like it.</q></p><p>There was a regionalism too that seems to be more and more subsumed these days &ndash; at least to my ears. Trekking around the South Island in the early…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Not buying this theory at all. My grandparents (all Edwardian vintage) etc. spoke with the old Kiwi accent, camera or no.</q></p><p>I mean the special "broadcasting" voice as opposed to the way people generally spoke, and the two aren't necessarily the same. I hear a underlying accent accent in pre-70s…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<q>A kid I know asked the other day why “blood” isn’t pronounced “blued”. It’s a hell of a question, because there was a huge accent shift in English after spelling started to be standardised – relics show up in words like blood and sword, making kids’ spelling lessons harder than…</q>
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						<p><q>A kid I know asked the other day why "blood" isn't pronounced "blued".</q></p><p>If it came from the German word <em>blut</em> , it probably was pronounced that way once.</p>
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						<p>I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Lyn of Tawa.  She was a work of fiction, but was one of the first to publicly use the real pakeha kiwi accent. It made my mother cringe.</p><p>There was a telly programme a couple of years ago about where the NZ accent came from -…</p>
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						My mum and uncle both had elocution training. It's actually served Mum well as a teacher. Her accent has naturally rolled with the yuf, but she has fantastic voice projection and clarity. It didn't sound like an unusual experience in her circle.
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						<p><q>Could it be that our memory of how people talked back then is influenced by what we see in old film and TV? That is, people who have been trained to speak in a posh telly voice.</p><p>__Yes, and so ordinary people thought they ought to too when they had…</q></p>
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						<p>I was too young to punk, but never too young to disco. Donna Summer certainly helped.  There was plenty of teenage angsty anarchy around, but my preference from this era was English Ska, The Jam and a couple of bands from Manchester you might have heard of.</p><p>One of my…</p>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						Ah, and so if the television reporter who's interviewing you has a nice posh accent, you'd probably talk like them, deliberately or not.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Could it be that our memory of how people talked back then is influenced by what we see in old film and TV? That is, people who have been trained to speak in a posh telly voice.</q></p><p>Yes, and so ordinary people thought they ought to too when they had…</p>
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						<p>Could it be that our memory of how people talked back then is influenced by what we see in old film and TV? That is, people who have been trained to speak in a posh telly voice.</p><p>It's no secret that accents always change. My grandma sounded posher than my…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>As Simon will be able to testify, the love affair continues ...</q></p><p>Your grin to I Feel Love at 3am has stayed with me :)</p><p>I think you said "Too many wobbly bits in this version though..." or words to that effect</p>
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						<q>I suspect that Britain’s joining of the EEC was a contributing factor – the cargo cult of Mother England had suddenly turned out to be a mirage, and coincidentally Yankee & Aussie culture was on the ascendancy. It also happened to be the era of Fred Dagg, Pukemanu and later on,…</q>
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						<p><q>I suspect that Britain's joining of the EEC was a contributing factor</q></p><p>Close to Home, Pukemanu, Glide Time, Goodbye Pork Pie and, later, Shortland St I'd agree.</p><p><q>the cargo cult of Mother England had suddenly turned out to be a mirage</q></p><p>See, I don't think that's ever really evaporated -…</p>
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						<p><q>At our school everyone agreed that disco was dead; the debate/shitfest was over whether it had been killed by punk or reggae. </q></p><p>I can honestly say that I was (or tried to be) a punk rocker butI still loved Donna Summer's 70s dance records.</p><p>As Simon will be able to…</p>
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						At our school everyone agreed that disco was dead; the debate/shitfest was over whether it had been killed by punk or reggae.  But this was 1979, by which time Dylan Taite was interviewing Bob Marley in NZ and the punk/reggae split had started to align along ethnic lines.  The 6th…
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						<p><q>Yes! So what influences changed the accent?</q></p><p>I suspect that Britain’s joining of the EEC was a contributing factor – the cargo cult of Mother England had suddenly turned out to be a mirage, and coincidentally Yankee &amp; Aussie culture was on the ascendancy. It also happened to be the era…</p>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						The documentary on Punks seems to be a winner I thought when I heard the introduction… “… when the Sex Pistols vomited their way to punk stardom…”.
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						<p><q>are friends eclectic</q></p><p>noice</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>(maybe dealing to disco was more of an in-the-trenches-thing rather than the grand vision)</q></p><p>Indeed &ndash; there was a rough affinity with the tougher end of funk and soul, even when it mutated into disco. That turned when disco was usurped by the middle masses &ndash; Bee Gees and the…</p>
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						I met an actor once who was doing some voice work for a Te Papa exhibit about something that happened in the middle of the 20 century, probably the War.  She had to listen to a lot of tapes from the time to get the accent right, and described it…
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						Does anyone know what it's like these days? Are The Kidz still as violently tribal? Or are friends eclectic?
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						<p>hmm &ndash; thinking about it more  it was end of '76 &ndash; it was definitely over the summer holidays though &ndash; because somehow it's embedded in my brain with that particular job &ndash; and I did work it those two years</p><p>I also remember the punks railing more at orchestral…</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<p><q>Worth a fortune if you do. I have one too which I bought from a 10c sale bin at Peaches Records on the corner of Queen and Victoria months later.</q></p><p>I must check it out. I bought the cheap local release when it came out but it got buggered over…</p>
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						<p>I didn't hear Patti Smith til 1988 at uni... bit younger than others round here</p><p>I do recall hearing that a Sex Pistols song was banned from NZ radio in the late '70s, guessing it would have been Anarchy, but I was fortunate to have an older brother either studying…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>Ha, think that's the one I have.</q></p><p>Worth a fortune if you do. I have one too which I bought from a 10c sale bin at Peaches Records on the corner of Queen and Victoria months later.</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<p><q>The labels in NZ had however issued New York Dolls years before and the likes of Television, The Ramones, Patti Smith and Richard Hell</q></p><p>Even in the early 1980s it seemed like you couldn't go to a party in NZ without hearing Patti's Horses album at some point in the…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>must have been '75?</q></p><p>end of 76 or early 77 &ndash; Dylan Tait's piece and the first TV interview with the Sex Pistols anywhere as I recall</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<p><q>oh and Anarchy in the UK on EMI, now listed amongst the world's very rare records.</q></p><p>Ha, think that's the one I have.</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I lived through this &ndash; I remember the summer I left high school &ndash; working on that first shit summer job before starting Uni &ndash; there was a (probably 3 minute) piece on the TV (black and white, we only had the one channel) news talking about this new 'punk'…
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						Meant to click the Dobbyn track but got Marion Bates; very happy accident, great track, the lyrics remind of the Muttonbirds type narrative which I bloody love (and seems endemic to NZ).
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>they're engaged in our last real cultural fling with Anglophilia</q></p><p>Oddly too, the primary New Zealand punk influences musically (not  always visually but that too) up to the middle of 78 were not British but a mix of New York Punk and pre-punk and &ndash; crucially &ndash; glam. It was…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>There's no sense of the kind of mash-up you'll find on the new Tourettes album of punk rock hip hop</q></p><p>To be fair, this was the generation that first listened to reggae in New Zealand and introduced it into the music being made &ndash; long before Marley came to NZ.…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						my parents were both born before 1930 in nz, one in the country and one in the city. all of my grandparents were born in nz in the 19th century. imho, their spoken language was the last generation before we were ingulfed by american pop culture. of course they had…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Karyn Hay :)
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>One of the incongruities with “Underbelly Land Of The Long Green Cloud” is the characters all speak with modern Kiwi accents, not what I remember accents sounding like in the 1970’s at all.</q></p><p>Yes! So what influences changed the accent?</p>
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				<title>Alastair Jamieson</title>
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						<p><q>...and speak the way New Zealanders used to on TV – the metallic local twang glossed with the plum that always came out for the cameras.</q></p><p>One of the incongruities with "Underbelly Land Of The Long Green Cloud" is the characters all speak with modern Kiwi accents, not what I…</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						At the end of 1977 I moved, as a Black Sabbath, Led Zep & T-Rex loving 13 yr old, from deepest darkest South Westland to the sunny, sophisticated  urban environs of Blenheim. Within 2 weeks of arriving there, Radio With Pictures played the Dylan Taite interview with Rotten and Vicious and…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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