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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Hmm. You might possibly count yourself lucky… <br />(The link was to Rod Derrett’s 1960s song “Puha and Pakeha”.)<br />Let’s see… yeah, it’s also on YouTube <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CltZG7Cw0eo" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> with video from <em>Heartland</em> .) :</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CltZG7Cw0eo" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CltZG7Cw0eo</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 20:16:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Bugger- cant open that without a YouTube acct &ndash; which i dont have.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 19:51:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgbPwbsE0oM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Pakeha cooking</a>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 19:19:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>I find it -lower case- offensive: I was taught that, if you're writing about people, you use a capital. If you are writing in a descriptive way, you still generally use a capital &ndash; French cookery, Pakeha cooking, Greek yoghurt.</p><p>Nothing at all should be read into the above!</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 16:44:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>"Maori" and "Pakeha"</q></p><p>Thank you for capitlaising both. The widespread tendency to apply a lower case to Pakeha has been interesting.</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>+1 linger, when writing Maori/Pakeha(or many other Maori words I'm sure we can think of.)In a different dimension. we might be writing tchkat' bulla for takata pora &ndash; because that's the way Boultbee recorded it in the early 1820s.</p><p>Horrible mutilations of Maori place names when speaking is a whole…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 15:41:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>There is one language usage issue upthread that <em>does</em> trouble me, and that's the misuse of the term "prescriptive" as if that were an excuse for being <strong>judgemental</strong>. (Which is not unrelated to the comment about bigotry above.)</p><p>For a prescription to have any value, it has to come after…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 13:13:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hey, takata pora sounds excellent as well, both in terms of "ship people" and "white turnips".</p></blockquote><p>Yes,  a lot of Swedes came to Dannevirke.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 00:03:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p><q>even murderous religious fascists deserve a fair trial</q></p><p>Coming very late to this debate, but having read the very many well considered opinions I come back to NRT's as the one which best encapsulates my own. We caught someone whose ranking on the 'evil scale' is up there with Stalin…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 18:37:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						Re: Team Te Whiti o Rongomai.   Yes!
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 15:41:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						Belated thanks to Islander and others for chiming in on the pakeha vs tauiwi discussion.  Hey, takata pora sounds excellent as well, both in terms of "ship people" and "white turnips". Sounds similar to my teasing certain English people of my acquaintance with their lovely "lobster look" in summer. :-)…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 14:44:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						If the two of them met in person, Bin Laden would probably have declared Harawira a disbeliever, and have him lined up against a wall and shot.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I honestly do not believe he would have had a shred of respect for Maori culture, in which song and idolatry (and I do not use that word in any negative sense) are so central</q></p><p>For that matter, I fail to see any evidence than Bin Laden and the Talitubbies…</p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						Thanks for taking the time to reply there Russell. Respect.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Certainly he may not have been an avid fan of Māori culture, but would he have despised it?</q></p><p>My contention is that he would have. It is basically composed of things he thought were the work of the devil. I honestly do not believe he would have had a shred…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 23:20:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p><q>It’s hard to tell what you’re on about here, but Russell wasn’t “imposing” his perception of Osama’s thought processes. If you’ve got evidence to suggest OBL held quite different views to those attributed, feel free to share.</q></p><p>I’m simply suggesting Dr Ranginui Walker, Willie Jackson, and all who never met…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Seems immature of some not to grasp how criticism can strengthen &ndash; and can be motivated by caring. And that is a sad thing.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 23:59:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>But it seems the Hobbit thing is catching on.</q></p><p>It really is quite silly isn't it. I didn't agree with everything you said on the Hobbit dispute. And yet I agree with much of what you say about the Operation 8 "terrorists".</p><p>Either one or both of us is a…</p>
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				<title>Kracklite</title>
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						I must admit that I have a strange form of selective <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synaesthesia" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">synaesthesia</a> or experience a version of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGurk_effect" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the McGurk Effect</a> whenever I see the word “Solidarity” in T’ Standard: reading it, I hear the voice of George W. Bush saying, “You’re with us or against us” or some boofhead…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 23:13:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Needless to say, I won't be reading the thread. I know how that one goes already.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I responded in Bomber’s blog about some of the things he is saying re the Hobbitt and RB which I know to be wrong – and as it so happens these responses along with those of others remain hidden.<br /></q><br />That’s a bit unfortunate. I think what I wrote, citing Paul…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Blogger has this great comments moderation feature called "Stalinism". Works superbly.</q></p><p>So basically less of the Reductio ad Insertespacehereum.</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p><q>I responded in Bomber's blog about some of the things he is saying re the Hobbitt and RB which I know to be wrong &ndash; and as it so happens these responses along with those of others remain hidden.</q></p><p>Blogger has this great comments moderation feature called "Stalinism". Works superbly.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 20:16:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>I responded in Bomber's blog about some of the things he is saying re the Hobbitt and RB which I know to be wrong &ndash; and as it so happens these responses along with those of others remain hidden.</p><p>I consider the purpose of reading, following and posting a blog…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						O yes- which is why my whanau are already looking around for Rino's stance. And &ndash; other options-
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p><q> it's just a lie the Right...</q></p><p>and the alleged Left...</p>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						I don't think that doing your sums thing works anyway, it's just a lie the Right tells it's supporters. The dole was set 20% below subsistence levels in Shipley's time and has never grown beyond inflation since (aside from the rent subsidies, which rent rises ate up in no time,…
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>John Key for instance, quite happy to cut from the poor to give to the rich, because he honestly thinks people choose to be poor (as he chose to be rich and is, begging the question being a common human failing). So he thinks hurting the poor just gives them…</q>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>There are reports, such as <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/world/asia/10intel.html?_r=1&amp;emc=na" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this one</a> in the NY Times, and <a href="http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/lawyers_were_on_stand-by_in_case_bin_laden_was_captured_alive/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this one</a> in the ABA Journal, that the US had 'a team of lawyers, translators and interrogators on stand-by in case Osama bin Laden was captured alive'.</p><p>The NY Times story notes that White House officials: "acknowledged that the…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>National and Labour make Muldoon look like a socialist.</q></p><p>Economically, he pretty much was.</p><p>Socialism run by tories.</p>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<p><q>which I found delightful.</q></p><p>Squee!  Except, could someone reach into my brain and extract the damn bouncy Beyoncé ear-worm.  I keep doing involuntary chicken dances.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>That's the team-jersey view of alignment, very Gygaxian (derived from his religious upbringing). </q></p><p>Was he Lawful or Chaotic is the next question.</p>
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				<title>AAMC</title>
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						I was responding to Russel's original post and suggesting that because Usama was clearly deluded does not mean we should be dancing on his death bed. Clearly we should be glad not to have him as the figurehead of Al-Qaeda, perhaps now provides the opportunity for us not to make…
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						<p>Ok &ndash; actually found it:<br /><a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/key-stands-some-poor-make-poor-choices-foodbank-comment-nn-86501" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/key-stands-some-poor-make-poor-choices-foodbank-comment-nn-86501</a></p><p>After his poor showing on Hard Talk &ndash; Key seems to see life as a game of Monopoly, he wins you lose.</p><p>Two weeks ago in response to, was it, the Master Builders concerns about skill shortages in the trades and building industry -…</p>
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						Did Key actually make the statment that , "people choose to be poor"?  Can you link to it?
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						<p><q>An argument in which the protagonist is imposing his perception of a third party’s thought processes against others’ perceptions is always going to be – somewhat moot. When this third party has managed to evade detection for ten years, I’d emphasize – strikingly.</q></p><p>It's hard to tell what you're on…</p>
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						<p><q>...but you’re ignoring the old maxim ’the enemy of my enemy etc”.</p><p>if you’re a pissed off and impoverished *anyone* with a grunge against colonialist like the NZL Crown or the US of A, seeing someone like OBL sticking it to The Man will raise a cheer.</q></p><p>I thought that…</p>
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						<p><q>Well, the tāngata whenua of this place are the Māori. No idea what these “Maori” people keep writing about, though. It’s a common word and I’ve come to think that it means the writer doesn’t know how to spell key words in one of the country’s official languages.</q></p><p>That would…</p>
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						<q>I can’t find any means to describe ObL as anything but evil, but that doesn’t mean then that any action against him was purely one or the other – if it was a good act, then he was evil and therefore killing him was a purely good act, or if…</q>
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						I wonder how cold it gets...
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t know about god (no really, I don’t), but I think this proves beyond all reasonable doubt that hell exists.</q></p><p>Oh, <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=63.445416,10.900776&amp;spn=0.004806,0.01929&amp;t=h&amp;z=16" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hell exists</a>, alright (note the name of the railway station). Nice enough little town, I was there for a couple of hours all up &ndash; a brief stop on…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>Blindly rejoicing</q></p><p>Are you talking about... this thread? If you are, this has got to be the most solemnly analytical expression of 'blind rejoicing' I've ever encountered.</p><p>However:</p><blockquote><p>If you like it then you shoulda put a line on it!</p><p>Ā &ndash; Ō &ndash; Ō &ndash; Ō &ndash; Ō -…</p></blockquote>
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						To view Usama Bin Laden in the context in which he was created, to suggest that the chanting of USA USA USA and "Justice "has been done  and to revel in somebodies death is counter productive and to suggest that an attempt to take him alive and put him on…
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						<p><q>If you like it then you shoulda put a line on it!</q></p><p>Ā &ndash; Ō &ndash; Ō &ndash; Ō &ndash; Ō &ndash; Ō &ndash; Ō</p><p>(Found the character set box on mac &ndash; easy peasy.  I got my Mācron on!)</p>
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						<p>All the single letters!<br />(All the single letters...)<br />If you like it then you shoulda put a line on it!</p>
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						<p>I have to say that this over on <a href="http://fundypost.blogspot.com/2011/05/middle-class-blood-lust-for-pleasure.html?spref=tw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fundy Post</a> made me LOL.</p><p><q>I may have this wrong, but it seems that the answer to a political question is to put a macron on it.</q><br />Gold.</p>
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						...and the "matter" in the sink.
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						<p>Did someone say party?  No?  Never mind, I’ll have one in my kitchen.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62eTq8ErUOQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62eTq8ErUOQ</a></p><p>ETA:  I did not know that Kirsty MacColl (in above video) died in 2000 aged 41.  That’s pretty sad actually, and the circumstances <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsty_MacColl#Justice_For_Kirsty_campaign" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">extremely tragic</a>, even if I am 11 years late.</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>I think this clip gets to the kitchen in question? The one with the dog-sized rat in the oven!<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHLzj_6HCjU&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHLzj_6HCjU&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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						<p>Age has been mentioned a bit, it is interesting to me OBL was aged 54 years when he died and today Sid Vicious had he lived would be aged 54 years.  </p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIXg9KUiy00" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIXg9KUiy00</a></p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>My kitchen is in my mind but my mind is in the kitchen sink.<br />I have, however, been described as out standing in my field whilst I would rather be loitering within tent.</p>
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						My real kitchen's more <em>Withnail and I</em>.
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>My mind, I think, resembles Gormenghast.</q><br />Don't go in the kitchen :)</p>
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						God, Stephen Hawking, <em>contra</em> Einstein, has assured us, does not play Tetris, but something involving dice and throwing them where they cannot be seen.
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						Did anyone ask God?
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						Have you read Gitta Sereny’s <em>Albert Speer: His Battle With Truth</em>?  Speer received a 20-year sentence.  Her conclusion is that if he had revealed at Nuremburg what he eventually revealed to her, by the standards that others were condemned to death, he would have been hanged too.  Evidence that has…
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						<p><q>I don’t know about god (no really, I don’t), but I think this proves beyond all reasonable doubt that hell exists</q></p><p>Oh, goodie!! Dualism, my favourite!  ;-)</p>
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						<p><q>Why didn’t it do that before?</q></p><p>Because...ummm... the Internets? Oh, look! A demonic duck!  </me scarpers></p>
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						<p>The post-WW2 war crimes trials were largely circumscribed by the desire of the Allies to symbolically punish Nazism and Japanese militarism whilst encouraging the rebirth of normal society in Japan and Germany.</p><p>If you took a view of complicity akin to todays peacetime standards, hundreds of thousands would have been…</p>
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						My mind, I think, resembles Gormenghast.
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						I don't know about god (no really, I don't), but I think this proves beyond all reasonable doubt that <a href="http://xkcd.com/724/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">hell exists</a>.
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						<p>Trying now <em>italics</em>.</p><p>(Why didn't it do that before?.... I <strong>thought</strong> that's what I did.)</p><p>Thanks for your help.</p>
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						Ostensibly sure, but within your lavishly furnished mind who's to say what dark missives lurk...
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						Absolutely.  That's more or less what happened when an F-117 was downed in the Bosnian wars.  Ironically, the principles of stealth originated with a Soviet mathematician.
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						<p>Ah, thank you.</p><p><q>just to cloud matters</q></p><p>Fog of war and all that.</p>
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						<p><em>One of the paradoxes of such classified equipment is that on the one hand it offers an advantage, but on the other, if one is shot down, the wreckage can be analysed by an enemy, so there is often reluctance to deploy the very best, gee-whizz hardware.<br /></em></p><p>You can…</p>
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						Apologies. I say exactly what I erm think..........................people want to hear.
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						<eng lit affiliation>Please do not besmirch the memory of Byron by associating Romanticism with such detachment!  :) </eng lit affiliation>
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						<p>Thanks RA Hurley, you paraphrased my point succinctly with;</p><p><q>How do we know? </q></p><p>An argument in which the protagonist is imposing his perception of a third party's thought processes against others' perceptions is always going to be &ndash; <em>somewhat</em> moot. When this third party has managed to evade detection for…</p>
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						Ah but you don't know that until you take that last step...
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						<p><q>the ravings of L. Ron Hubbard</q></p><p>You read <em>those</em> , dear boy that's taking things a bit far.</p>
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						<p>In the end... Stalin wanted show trials, Churchill would have been happy with summary execution, and this was after victory.</p><p>Assassination during wartime has its precedents, such as that of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heydrich" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Reinhard Heydrich</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Isoroku Yamamoto</a>.  Both could be justified for tactical or strategic reasons &ndash; ie. they were active and…</p>
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				<title>Marcus Turner</title>
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						<p>Thanks. I love to hear about etymolygy in Maori language (_pace_ diacritic enthusiasts). It's not something we hear a lot about.</p><p>(Italics not working as I expected: what am I doing wrong?)</p>
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						<p><q>You don’t get this sort of vilification directed at Penny Bright or Grant Morgan, for instance)</q></p><p>Penny Bright really doesn’t have a national stage. From those that have been bothered professionally by her (e.g. me, when I worked for the gummint), you would hear plenty of vilification, not so much…</p>
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						<p><q>During WWII, capturing Hitler would have been an ideal outcome, but far less practical in reality than assassination</q></p><p>Plenty of pretty heinous Nazis were captured and put on trial.</p><p>That said, I can't imagine a Soviet squad entering the bunker and not firing on sight &ndash; although I guess that's…</p>
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						<p><q>This includes the mainstream press, and I'm a little surprised that it includes you.</q></p><p>I regard it as encouraging that the soft left are quite *so* spooked by Hone. That suggests that the Mana Party has a bit of momentum and might get somewhere at the election.</p><p>(You don't get…</p>
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						<p><q>I quite enjoyed Boris Johnson's contribution</q></p><p>From that:</p><p><q>Though a New York jury would certainly have sent him down, they don't have the death penalty there – and so his place of incarceration would have become a shrine</q></p><p>If OBL was to have been tried in the US, I'd argue…</p>
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						<p>Somehow I just can’t imagine this scenario appearing outside of a Monty Python sketch:</p><p>Scene: Osama bin Laden’s compound.  In walks Inspector Harry “Snapper” Organs of the Yard, accompanied by a troupe of bobbies.</p><p>Organs:  You’re nicked, me old fruit.</p><p>bin Laden: It’s a fair cop, but I blame society.…</p>
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						<p>My Ubuntu desktop offers a Māori keyboard layout option that maps alt-shift vowel to a macronised variant.</p><p>Unix and Linux systems also have a neat thing called a "compose key". It composes two keystrokes into the intuitively obvious result &mdash; eg:<br /> a + " = ä <br /> n + ~ =…</p>
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						Thank you, Steve! I read it aloud to my wife who LOLed and pronounced it delightful.
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						<p><q>That Knowledge Bro Link works like a dream,</q></p><p>For OpenOffice on whatever platform (I believe) try <a href="http://eclassics.ning.com/forum/topics/727885:Topic:2122" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a></p>
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						<p>Ahh, Religion. </p><p><q>I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like…</q></p>
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						<p>I must admit to being amused when supposed official and knowledgeable organisations (often) use ä instead of ā because they do not appear to know to scroll down another two clicks in the Microsoft Word 'insert symbol' menu.</p><p>On OBL; I quite enjoyed <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/8501595/Lets-be-clear-Osama-bin-Laden-was-executed-and-for-good-reason.html " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Boris Johnson's</a> contribution in this…</p>
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						<p><q> I usually have a document called "macrons" on the desktop of whatever system I'm on so I can cut and paste :-D</q></p><p>That Knowledge Bro <a href="http://www.tetaurawhiri.govt.nz/english/resources_e/download/keyboard.shtml " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Link</a> works like a dream, well the sort of dreams you get when updating Windoze (click, click, fumble, go back, click, swear, re-boot,…</p>
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						One thing keeping me from any established religion is their requirement that I acknowledge a specific text (and I would suppose that that would be the Bible, due to my cultural conditioning).  The Bible is indeed a kluge, and I could only accept it anagogically, perhaps allegorically, but not metaphorically...…
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						<p><q>Or at least I did. This is so very sad, and a huge loss:</q></p><p>Oh crap! Ditto on the love to read or hear him, regardless of the message which I often disagree with. Especially when he was so gung ho about Iraq.</p><p>My favourite is the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CF8AFD815FFA216" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Intelligence Squared debate</a>…</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.tetaurawhiri.govt.nz/english/resources_e/download/keyboard.shtml" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.tetaurawhiri.govt.nz/english/resources_e/download/keyboard.shtml</a></p><p>I thought it was common Knowledge... Bro<br />  <em>I love the smell of roasting Mācrons in the morning</em></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>WTF has the depradations of Al Queda in Iraq to do with Bin Laden? The linked Wiki article on AII mentions Bin Laden exactly twice, and it seems to me fantastical to suggest he was in some way personally directing it's activities.</q></p><p>You're not kidding, are you?</p><p>Okay, <a href="http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1079318.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a>, from…</p>
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						<p>You might be interested in this:</p><p><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/roger_ebert_remaking_my_voice.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.ted.com/talks/roger_ebert_remaking_my_voice.html</a></p>
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						<p><q>but that is not necessarily the same as abandoning one’s faith</q></p><p>Hmm, it seems to me that it depends what you are having faith <em>in</em>  </p><p>If it's the religious teachings of a particular sect, just having the faith marks you as a member by definition, whether or not you pay…</p>
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						<p>I'm seem to be missing something here..</p><p>WTF has the depradations of Al Queda in Iraq to do with Bin Laden? The linked Wiki article on AII mentions Bin Laden exactly twice, and it seems to me fantastical to suggest he was in some way personally directing it's activities.<br />To…</p>
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						<p><q>I wouldn't necessarily call myself an athiest</q></p><p>I'm the same. I hate the word &ndash; it defines what I don't need defined.</p><p>That said, and despite the fact that what he says often annoys the fuck out of me, I love listening to Hitchens speak.</p><p>Or at least I did.…</p>
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						<p><q>Correct (as with Windows 7 apparently), though I use the alternative option-a which also works.</q></p><p>When I remember, I do, but I usually have a document called "macrons" on the desktop of whatever system I'm on so I can cut and paste :-D</p>
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						<p>Apropos my previous ramble… well, as someone who isn’t explicitly a Christian or someone following any faith, I find myself compelled to defend the idea of faith.  I might almost say that I was playing Devil’s Advocate, but that would hopelessly confuse matters :)  </p><p>I can find plenty of reasons…</p>
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						<p><q>If you’re under Mac OS X, with the Maori keyboard chosen, I think they key command is `-a (“back apostrophe"-a).</q></p><p>Correct (as with Windows 7 apparently), though I use the alternative option-a which also works.</p>
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						<p><q>Since I really should be following Leviticus to the letter or be a hypocrite, right?</p><p>In a way, Craig, yes.</p><p></q><br />Precisely why I gave up the roman catholic church some 30 years ago. Revelation 3:16 (<a href="http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/3.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">New International Version</a> (©1984)<br /><q>So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to…</q></p>
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						While many believers may seem to be "inconsistent" (and often are – Leviticus also condemns shaving and Jerry Falwell always seemed to have a smooth array of chins), religious beliefs, by their nature, propose transcendental and metaphysical realms therefore have different <em>kinds</em> of meaning in addition to the mundane (or…
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						What Haraera actually said is quite important; the subject of the sentence was 'they [the family]'. There is an ambiguity around the remainder of the sentence--is Hone describing the person that died, or the person 'they' mourned? The person 'they' mourned is not the person who lived; it is their…
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						<p><q>Since for many people their religion is a major source of their happiness then that's fine by me.</q></p><p>Sure, me too. I'm not saying I have any right or desire to limit or pre-judge &ndash; as long it doesn't negatively impact me or others &ndash; where people derive their happiness…</p>
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						<p><q>I suggest the problems start when people believe these stories to be true!</q></p><p>Nope that's missing the point. Some of the stories whether true or false espouse decent moral behaviour. Some don't.</p><p>Very many folks use the stories that promote decent "good" behaviour to help them led decent "good" lives.…</p>
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						<p><q>They did however, a short while back, issue a fatwa on women riding alone in cabs – apparently the male drivers might be tempted to stray. It was, however, up to the woman to curb the desires by obeying the ruling.</q></p><p>I propose sending over Emma Hart to knock some…</p>
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						<p>Yep, takata = tangata. Pora, however, means 'ship' &ndash; o, and white turnip (which was<br />from the ships, in the South.) No, we wouldnt be so unkind as to link the 2 meanings, and have a quiet little giggle every so often...I mean, we <em>never</em> played with words eh?</p>
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						<p><q>yeah but the reason why it’s hard for you is because the americans who made your computer don’t much care about te reo </q></p><p>No, but they should care about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hawaiian</a></p><p>ETA What David Hood said.</p>
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						<q>Or, to be fair, that they can’t find it in the Character Map application or don’t know that it’s &#257; in HTML. Or that it gets mangled by your braindead word processor or CMS. It may be much easier in many workplaces than it was when I was at TPK 5…</q>
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						<p><q>can’t find an Apple on mine.</q></p><p>Well, the Windows 7 instructions are pretty easy as well. XP is harder (but it is a 2001 operating system). Linux is about what you would expect.</p>
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						<p><q>And I'm sure all the people using it have impeccable working-class cred themselves, you understand.</q></p><p>I'm often amazed by how much more actual manual labor I've done than many a person who has called me bourgeois. But that is evidence in itself of my middle-classness.</p>
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						<p><q>Or selective. The morality that some feel they derive from their religion is only achieved by sidestepping the bits that are no longer acceptable.</q></p><p>That isn't necessarily a bad thing. </p><p>Since for many people their religion is a major source of their happiness then that's fine by me. It may…</p>
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						And nary a word is heard in Indonesia from the MUI (the dominant Islamic guiding body) about the bombing of Churches, imams marrying 12 year old girls, attacks on sects which vary the word, and the FPI (the radical arm) assaults on anything they consider breaks the word as written.…
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						<p><q>OK, now I can only think of Foghorn Leghorn. Russell, perhaps it would help your image if you were to start all posts with "Boy! Ah say, boy!" from now on...</q><br />Russell, I really think you ought to consider this. Foghorn Leghorn has, if nothing else, excellent Southern Good Ol'…</p>
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						<p><q>The steps to adding the Māori keyboard (soon to have screenshots!):    – Click on the Apple in the top left and open System Preferences.    – Open Language &amp; Text.</q><br />Would that be a <a href="https://nacla.org/node/5184 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> "Magic" Laptop?</a> can't find an Apple on mine.<br />With regard to Osama, I thought the whole…</p>
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						<q>In large parts of the Islamic (and indeed Christian) worlds believers have yet to make that jump – they treat the words in the books as the direct word of god. They may, as sects do, interpret, but they are still the word and that word has not changed at…</q>
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						<p><q>Since I really should be following Leviticus to the letter or be a hypocrite, right?</q></p><p>In a way, Craig, yes.</p><p><q>But the family that runs the dairy around the corner from are see themselves as good, observant Muslims too. </q></p><p>And that's not unusual, but it does exclude the fact that…</p>
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				<title>Josh Addison</title>
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						<p><q>Although I have to give it up for your description as a "middle class foghorn," Russell. So evocative!</q></p><p>OK, now I can only think of Foghorn Leghorn. Russell, perhaps it would help your image if you were to start all posts with "Boy! Ah say, boy!" from now on...</p>
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						<p><q>Of course people can and do. Religious texts are used by many folks to guide and support them through life. The problem is not the texts themselves but the people who chose to use such writings to justify actions that are evil.</p><p></q></p><p>I suggest the problems start when people believe…</p>
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						<p><q>And Newt Gingrich has so much respect for the institution of marriage he's done it three or four times &mdash; efficiently making sure he had the next one racked up before dumping the incumbent.</p><p>That has little to do with his religious beliefs (IIRC, he became a Baptist in graduate…</q></p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>i’ve responded to your defamation here</q></p><p>Defamation?  Martyn, darling, love you. Love your work. Harden the fuck up –  because “defamation” is way too much WhaleOily Coddingswallop for one day.  You think Russell has misrepresented your views, fair enough.  Been there, done that, made a counter-argument with varying success and,…</p>
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						<p><q>Except for the gay bits. Those, they really take a lot of notice of, for some reason.</q><br />And the hitting kids bits.</p>
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						<p><q>And I’m sure all the people using it have impeccable working-class cred themselves, you understand.</q></p><p>And strictly drink <em>only</em> instant coffee.</p>
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						<p><q>The middle-class thing certainly seems to have taken hold, via The Standard et al. I'm just a bit puzzled as to when and where I've claimed to be otherwise.</q><br />Also confusing is why that's supposed to be seen as an inherently bad thing. As if dropping the M-bomb automatically invalidates…</p>
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						<p><q>The middle-class thing certainly seems to have taken hold</q></p><p>And I'm sure all the people using it have impeccable working-class cred themselves, you understand.</p>
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						<p><q>i’ve responded to your defamation here</q></p><p>And I sincerely respect your right to do so. Cauldron of ideas and all that. Have at it.</p>
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						<p><q>Although I have to give it up for your description as a “middle class foghorn,” Russell. So evocative!</q></p><p>The middle-class thing certainly seems to have taken hold, via The Standard et al. I'm just a bit puzzled as to when and where I've claimed to be otherwise.</p>
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						<p>from Bomber's link:<br /><q>Who knew Russell Brown and Mr Smug over at the Fundy post were such sniveling apologists for Western foreign policy?</q><br />Speaking of unwarranted dichotomies... here comes one now.</p><p>Although I have to give it up for your description as a "middle class foghorn," Russell. So evocative!</p>
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						<p><q>Quite. Some unattractive family customs of, say, Pakistani immigrants in Britain are often attributed to Islam, when they're at least as much about the tribal culture they've brought with them. Muslims in Bosnia exercise their faith quite differently to Muslims in Saudi Arabia because their influences are very different.</q><br />True…</p>
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						<p>i've responded to your defamation here</p><p>Being defamed by Russell Brown and Mr Smug &ndash; <a href="http://tiny.cc/hfud0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://tiny.cc/hfud0</a></p>
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						<p><q>I don’t think you can carry my argument quite that far. All I wished to suggest was that morality is coming from some other source and being applied to religious texts. They are not the sole source of it. </q></p><p>Quite. Some unattractive family customs of, say, Pakistani immigrants in Britain…</p>
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						<p><q>Either you buy into these brutal bronze age and/or desert tribe morals and teachings or you dismiss them. There is no half way point surely. You can't pick and chose the 'word' as the times require. </q><br />I don't think you can carry my argument quite that far. All I wished…</p>
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						<p><q>Except for the gay bits. Those, they really take a lot of notice of, for some reason.</q></p><p>And Newt Gingrich has so much respect for the institution of marriage he's done it three or four times &mdash; efficiently making sure he had the next one racked up before dumping the…</p>
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						<p><q>it’s also possible that “Maori” is a word in te reo which is spelt incorrectly by people with English 1st language intuitions. </q><br />This position is untenable given the data.<br />Corpus frequencies for use of “Maori” across 500 texts:<br />without macron: 1026;<br />with macron: <em>zero</em>.<br />Note that this includes some texts…</p>
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						<p><q>They do, my Mac allows me to show character palette (right click on the little flag) and select all sorts of weird symbols. Most of which I have no idea how to use properly.</q></p><p>What little flag?  And what's this right click of which you speak? <br /><sarc> (Well, sort of, my…</p>
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						<p>Wouldn't it be a minority of Christians who pay no attention to the gay bits? Are they all evil? Maybe some of them are thoughtless. Or stupid. </p><p>I feel like there's an excellent Venn diagram to be made here.</p>
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						Ya see now I would describe someone paying attention to the gay bits and basing their behaviour on them as, "evil", they may not have a gun but still evil.
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						<p><q>When Russell does, I might.</q></p><p>Oh, don’t put this on <em>me</em> now.</p><p>Oddly enough, I did look at it yesterday, and the instructions didn’t work for a modern Apple keyboard – no alt key. So it’s the backtick then retype the vowel …</p>
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						<p><q>they can also include the software widget to let you type macrons</q></p><p>They do, my Mac allows me to show character palette (right click on the little flag) and select all sorts of weird symbols. Most of which I have no idea how to use properly.</p>
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						<p><q>because they’ve already learned to ignore the stupid bits</q></p><p>Except for the gay bits. Those, they really take a lot of notice of, for some reason.</p>
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						<p>There's two conversations going on in this thread, and they both seem to be religiously dogmatic.  At the risk of repeating myself;<br /><q>I'm still not convinced I have to.</q><br />YMMV.</p>
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						<p><q>different smell that you would consciously notice.</q></p><p>Bah too slow to edit, should be &ndash; wouldn't consciously notice</p>
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						yeah but the reason why it's hard for you is because the americans who made your computer don't much care about te reo &ndash; that's understandable I guess &ndash; but it's one of our national languages &ndash; I think it shouldn't be OK to sell a computer in NZ that…
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						<p><q>But I do feel bound to point out that the family car is a 12 year-old Mazda.</q><br />But you really want the Lexus Hybrid to get you through the fog.I mean, how else will you find that blood you so obviously lust? The Mazda just won't cut it ;)</p>
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						<p><q>Either you buy into these brutal bronze age and/or desert tribe morals and teachings or you dismiss them. There is no half way point surely. You can't pick and chose the 'word' as the times require.</q></p><p>Of course people can and do. Religious texts are used by many folks to…</p>
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						<p><q> <em>there are lots of online resources take your pick</em></q></p><p><q>The steps to adding the Māori keyboard (soon to have screenshots!):</p><p>    &ndash; Click on the Apple in the top left and open System Preferences.<br />    &ndash; Open Language &amp; Text.<br />    &ndash; Click on the Input Sources tab.<br />    &ndash; Scroll down the input methods…</q></p>
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						<p><q>early settlers just had a weird vibe about them, apparently</q></p><p>They probably smelled funny. And no I'm not being snarky, they almost certainly ate a different diet and had significantly different genes both of which would make them smell different. The genetic difference would give them different pheromones which would…</p>
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						The quopte says that the lord will do the laying of his fingers on them. The problem is when folk who think they have been spoken to and take it upon themselves to do the laying of their fingers for him.
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						<p><q>smorgasbord</q></p><p><br />mmmm lunch</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><q>(how do you even do that in a browser without copying and pasting?)</q></p><p>there are lots of online resources <a href="http://www.tetaurawhiri.govt.nz/english/resources_e/download/keyboard.shtml" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">take your pick</a></p>
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				<title>Marcus Turner</title>
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						And all languages change, and keep changing, whether we like it or not.....
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> but here the Māori are an indigenous people who still speak and write in the language.</q></p><p>And as I noted, indigenous people are writing right now, in their own media, in a style other than the one you're saying is the only correct one.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>See waving guns around probably wont solve anything, even while quoting verse.</q></p><p>Hey, Andin, if you're already written off as a psychotic thug who's morally indistinguishable from mass murderers why not?</p>
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						<p>See waving guns around probably wont solve anything, even while quoting verse.<br />But I guess it looks kinda cool.<br />[[http://vimeo.com/23450446 | Reading OTOH especially now, when there is a wealth of knowledge which actually allows us to live up to  ancients injunctions to "Know thyself". Has made the task so…</p>
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						I know how peer review works, thank you very much; I was talking about the difference between a work being descriptive of a state of affairs vs. prescriptive. You may have noted that I'm asserting that we need to spell te reo words according to the rules of te reo…
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						<p><q>My second point is this; we’re talking here about the proper noun of the indigenous people of this place; we should spell it correctly.</q></p><p>So now what?  A handful of knowledgeable persons are guilted into using the macron when writing ‘Māori’ (how do you even do that in a browser…</p>
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						<p><q>So, are we going to get into the debate of my religious believer being more moral than your religious believer are we? </q></p><p>Ross: Yeah, because the overwhelming majority of law-abiding religiously observant folks in this country are absolutely morally equivalent to Bin Laden, Fred Phelps and Ian Paisley.   Just as…</p>
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						<p><q>Either you buy into these brutal bronze age and/or desert tribe morals and teachings or you dismiss them. There is no half way point surely. You can’t pick and chose the ‘word’ as the times require.</q></p><p>But picking and choosing the word &mdash; or at least interpreting it &mdash; is…</p>
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						<p><q>Russell:</p><p>Looks like you made Bomber cry… .</p><p><em>I have just received the equivalent of a drive-by shooting from a Lexus hybrid.</em></q></p><p>As Sean Plunket once said to me on K Road: "Russell, we live in the cauldron of ideas."</p><p>Sometimes, we will be harsh about each others' ideas. It's…</p>
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						So, are we going to get into the debate of my religious believer being more moral than your religious believer are we? Hitchins has some wonderful writings that dispose of that hoary myth. There is nothing so scary, sad and dangerous as picking your morals from the same book and…
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						<p>Russell:</p><p>Looks like you <a href="http://tumeke.blogspot.com/2011/05/being-defamed-by-russell-brown-and-mr.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">made Bomber cry</a>...  . </p><p><q>I have just received the equivalent of a drive-by shooting from a Lexus hybrid.</q></p><p>But hey, at least Chris Trotter get its...what Bradbury got from Trotter will respond to antibiotics, I hope.</p>
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						<p><q>I agree completely. I do find the claim, oft heard, that ‘our understanding of these guiding texts has evolved and we no longer take parts of it literally’, or words to that effect, disingenuous and utterly dishonest.</p><p>Either you buy into these brutal bronze age and/or desert tribe morals and…</q></p>
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						<p><q>what New Zealand English speakers think about the spelling of te reo words is not relevant in this instance.</q><br />You’re missing a step in the argument. Edited published writing, by definition, is subject to editorial influence (it’s not just a product of what the writers “think” about language). Any relevant…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p><q>On the contrary, it seems he was a good deal "truer" than most religious believers in the modern world, by the measure that he rejected less of his chosen text than most.</q></p><p>I agree completely. I do find the claim, oft heard, that 'our understanding of these guiding texts has…</p>
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						<p><q>Another matter: in the far South, we never called Pakeha – Pakeha. We called them takata-pora…</q></p><p>I take it 'takata' is cognate with 'tangata'? And <a href="http://www.maoridictionary.co.nz/index.cfm?dictionaryKeywords=pora&amp;search.x=0&amp;search.y=0&amp;n=1&amp;idiom=&amp;phrase=&amp;proverb=&amp;loan=" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">'pora' is 'foreign' or 'foreigner'</a>?</p>
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						<p><q>I'd venture that OBL was no more true to his espoused religious bent than GWB was to Christ.</q><br />People from many faiths have done terrible things, and have frequently been able to cite chapter and verse/sura and hadith in support of their actions. This is often dismissed as not being…</p>
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						<p><q>Being way more vowel-rich than English</q></p><p>I found when I was learning Bahasa (Melayu / Indonesia depending on which side of the 1820 UK drawn boundary I found myself on) it was easier if I treated the vowels as if they were Māori (or Maori if you so wish). There…</p>
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						You’re conflating responses by both Tom and myself (Tom was the one who disagreed with your claim that diacritical marks are dropping out of use in English) and you’re conflating two senses of authority. I’m talking about an argument based upon reference to the authority of the maintainers and preservers…
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						<p><q>I no longer have the inside word on genocidal maniacs' thought processes, but I'd venture that OBL was no more true to his espoused religious bent than GWB was to Christ.</q><br />Nobody is claiming access to Bin Laden's inner thoughts here. He was hardly a shy and retiring wallflower about…</p>
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						<p><q>in my role as a teacher of critical thinking,</q><br />If we're trading roles, I'm a corpus linguist with published papers describing observed spelling variation in New Zealand English. As I've stated from the beginning, the macron (or some close functional equivalent where the macron is not easily used) is vital…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>No, about their culture. He would have despised it, for the reasons I noted. Do you seriously think he’d have embraced a culture in which music plays such a part? In which carvings, and whole houses, are imbued with the wairua of ancestors?</p></blockquote><p>I no longer have the inside word…</p>
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						<p>It occurs to me, and not for the first time, that the voices and opinions expressed in this thread and others (you beautiful, curious, intelligent, articulate bastards) is everything that's missing from our dominant media outlets. </p><p>Which is just as well or PA would have little need to exist. Makes…</p>
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						<p>As you proably know, the <em>written</em> Maori language is less than 2 centuries old.<br />Being way more vowel-rich than English, with a much more limited word hoard, we are making sure the words are clear for non-speakers.</p><p>Another matter: in the far South, we never called Pakeha &ndash; Pakeha. We…</p>
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						I find it fascinating how the written maori language is developing all sorts of extra ad ons which I assume (?) is to assist in the pronounciation. Me not being linguist 'n all.
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						<p>likewise, have always associated tauiwi with "foreigners", say south africans or chinese, while pa:keha: is old english settler stock like my people.</p><p>on a side note, a linguist described the etymology of pa:keha: to me as "has different feeling", and is conceptually related to mauri.</p><p>early settlers just had a…</p>
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						And I hearby patent OTTER (OTT Engagement Rules) for reference to a great deal of counter terrorist activity...
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						<p>The killing of Bin Laden and reference to the SEAL team's ROE made me think of the poor Brazilian guy killed on the Tube. <br />Defense officials claimed that the team was specifically told to assume OBL was wearing a suicide vest and therefore unless they found him stark bollocking he…</p>
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						<p>Understand the irritation TraceyMac- in my rohe, we  use tauiwi for ‘foreigner’<br />(not for people of European or other descent who’ve been <em>born</em> here – like yourself: they’re Pakeha.) It *isnt*  meant in a neutral way – in my rohe- to say “non-Maori”: it emphatically means the person doesnt have…</p>
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						I think you'll find I agree with you on that, Craig; that's why my initial comment to Russell was about how I felt the first line of this post painted a picture of te ao Māori that was generalised and unwarranted. The failure to use macrons was of secondary importance.…
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						<p>Since we seem to have a few people knowledgeable about Te Reo here, can I have a bit of an explanation about the semantic differences between "pakeha" or (pākehā)and "tauiwi"?</p><p>My understanding of the meaning of "tauiwi" was that it meant "foreigner", in the sense that you're fresh off the…</p>
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						<a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1987/0176/latest/whole.html#dlm124116" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Maori Language Act 1987</a> (sic)
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						<p><q>I should point out that my hardline on the macron comes from associating with linguists and teachers of Te Reo.</q></p><p>And fair enough too. Personally I'm less bent about macrons and enraged by media outlets whose pale pink editors think annual visits to Waitangi and Ratana and having the usual…</p>
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						you say smorgasbord &ndash; I say smörgåsbord.
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						<p><q>Also, a small, but important point; you keep misspelling "Māori." The macron is not optional.</q></p><p>Ṯẖāṉḵ ȳȱū Māṯẖēw Ī sẖāḻḻ ṯṝȳ ṯȱ ūsē ā Mācṝȱṉ wẖēṝēvēṝ Ī cāṉ.</p>
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						<p><q>As my Nan had frequent cause to say to me: “The apology is all very nice, dear. Next time, have nothing to apologise for.</q><br />And??? Did we listen Craig?:)<br /> No we didn't. Mine used to say "It is better to close ones mouth and appear stoopid, than open it and…</p>
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						<p><q>I should point out that my hardline on the macron comes from associating with linguists and teachers of Te Reo.</q></p><p>Alles klar!</p>
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						I should point out that my hardline on the macron comes from associating with linguists and teachers of Te Reo.
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						<blockquote><p>absolutely obligated to play by the rules -</p></blockquote><p>Rules??? What rules??? Isn't that the point of asymetric warfare? There are no rules.</p><p>911 was one of the most brilliantly executed operations of this asymetric "war". There was no way the US was going to pull the guy in and put…</p>
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						It's not a case of two words being spelt identically but pronounced differently; the macron is a character and thus the words are pronounced differently because they are spelt differently.
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						<p><q>Isn’t that what Hone himself did, ammended and apologised? ;)</q></p><p>As my Nan had frequent cause to say to me: "The apology is all very nice, dear. Next time, have nothing to apologise for."  She also used to say God gave us two eyes, two ears and only one mouth…</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1105/S00096/noam-chomsky-my-reaction-to-osama-bin-ladens-death.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1105/S00096/noam-chomsky-my-reaction-to-osama-bin-ladens-death.htm</a></p><p>Don't know if anyone has linked to Chomsky's article.</p>
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						Yes, yes, yes and yes. Exactly. Which is why I am &ndash; how shall I put this? &ndash; cynical in the extreme about US claims to hold any kind of moral high-ground in this regard. Because as far as I'm concerned, they don't.
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						<p><q>So I’m not sure you can go as far as telling people they can’t spell their own language.</q></p><p>Of course we/they can, we're imperialist overlords after all it's our responsibility to tell other people how to do things</p>
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						<p><q> It should mean that the SEALs can't just rock up and blow someone away if they feel like it </q></p><p>And of course, doing so runs counter to a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">proud US military history</a> of never using extra-legal means to an end.</p>
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						<p><q>i think you mean “bound” by the rules of engagement.</q></p><p> I think you mean "bound" by "their" rules of engagement.</p>
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