Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: The war is still with us https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=368764#post368764 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=368764#post368764 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

]]> Sun, 04 Dec 2016 16:24:38 +1300 Adam H https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363714#post363714 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363714#post363714 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:43:03 +1200 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363610#post363610 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363610#post363610 You know what's banned, Marc C? You.

Thank you, Russell. He certainly broke the Prime Directive – Don't Be A Dick.

]]> Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:57:10 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363608#post363608 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363608#post363608 You know what's banned, Marc C? You.

I have asked you not to redistribute these videos here and you did it anyway.

To be honest, I won't miss your tendentious lectures.

]]> Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:53:58 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363605#post363605 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363605#post363605 Mon, 11 Jul 2016 03:21:09 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363604#post363604 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363604#post363604 Mon, 11 Jul 2016 02:31:56 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363603#post363603 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363603#post363603 Mon, 11 Jul 2016 02:17:17 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363596#post363596 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363596#post363596 Good to see You Tube finally catching on to what madness is still available via their service. One would have thought that certain stuff was no longer available, but they constantly seem to be busy with catch up game with the culprits.

Maybe we also need the NSA doing more…

]]> Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:02:03 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363579#post363579 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363579#post363579 Alfie, that is just plain bollocks. ... the primary motivation was pure neocon ideology, which had bugger-all to do with profit.

That's a rather strong line Andrew and I'm surprised that you can't see any link between pure neocon ideology and profit. Because to me, the two are inextricably linked.…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2016 13:29:42 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363578#post363578 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363578#post363578 in NZ, a lost government and elite class that has lost ALL touch with reality of basic realities
Who needs reality when some think your leader has "Charisma" Isnt that the name of a horse?

Tracy can interview her keyboard for as long as she wants she still…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2016 11:32:25 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363574#post363574 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363574#post363574 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 01:07:09 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363573#post363573 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363573#post363573 Sat, 09 Jul 2016 01:02:06 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363565#post363565 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363565#post363565 I am surprised the Brexit vote was not more profound, than it was, it is a disaster, just proof of an extension of European powers' imperialism of modern age not working for many.

Europe is screwed, only some left liberal urban dweller bureaucrats think it is a magic solution to…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 23:12:16 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363563#post363563 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363563#post363563 Is Farage a leftist or what? Some of his former speeches make me think, he is not quite the right wing nutter some want us to believe, he saw the issues with the west arming certain groups in the Middle East:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeO_pEP-cm0

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 23:05:40 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363559#post363559 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363559#post363559 For Cheney & Co this was a giant free market experiment which history will judge as a miserable failure.

Well, as you outline in your post, it seems to have succeeded admirably for a few individuals and organisations....

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 21:12:55 +1200 AndrewH https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363558#post363558 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363558#post363558 The Bush neoconservatives were looking for a middle east country to become a “model” for capitalism, one whose economic transformation would serve as a catalyst to inspire other Arab-Muslim countries to join the democratic/neoliberal wave.

Alfie, that is just plain bollocks. There was certainly a natural alignment between neocons and…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 21:12:47 +1200 Rob S https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363556#post363556 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363556#post363556 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/08/chilcot-iraq-war-gchq-inquiry ]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 19:31:39 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363550#post363550 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363550#post363550 The Iraq war was primarily an American imposition on the Middle East. Blair was led into it by the fool Bush.

Excellent post Rob. I’d like to add a little about the American motivation behind the Iraq “war”. We know now that it never had anything to do with WMDs.…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:31:06 +1200 Carol Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363542#post363542 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363542#post363542 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 13:35:03 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363541#post363541 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363541#post363541 David Kelly, possibly the first casualty of the war on the war on terror.

Deserves to be remembered here.

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 13:32:53 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363539#post363539 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363539#post363539 anyone writing anything that made sense about this debacle in this country, so pathetic was the… ]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 12:57:57 +1200 Ianmac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363533#post363533 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363533#post363533 Margaret Thatcher gained in power by invading the Falklands.
No doubt Blair believed that he would also gain.
2+2 does not always equal 4.

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 11:09:54 +1200 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363532#post363532 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363532#post363532 The question I have is will the findings of the Chilcot report lead to any country still involved in the middle eastern conflicts reassess their strategies for the area

Given the pretence for the original invasion was wrong, that justification wrong, the subsequent plan for post invasion Iraq inadequate... will…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 11:05:56 +1200 Nick Russell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363531#post363531 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363531#post363531 It’ll be interesting to see whether the Chilcot report stirs up any soul searching in Australia.

I wouldn’t bet on it. There’s an awful lot of denial going on in all quarters. The Tories in UK supported the war far more than the Labour Party did and the Tory press…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:51:55 +1200 Carol Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363530#post363530 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363530#post363530 What was Australia's role in the Iraq war and should we have had an enquiry? ]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:48:03 +1200 Carol Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363529#post363529 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363529#post363529 Maybe it’s because we expected better of Blair.

It'll be interesting to see whether the Chilcot report stirs up any soul searching in Australia. Neither the Howard government nor Kevin Rudd emerge from the quagmire with much credit.

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:42:02 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363528#post363528 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363528#post363528 Bush and co in the US

Former US presidents are considered outside politics (they are mostly ineligible for further office) in a way that former British PMs are not.

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:40:15 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363527#post363527 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363527#post363527 Does it actually say for example that the war was illegal,

It wasn't "illegal" (as a whole) under British law simply because Britain (and most other states including NZ) don't subordinate their domestic laws to the UN charter. The only sanctions under that can be applied by the UN and…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:38:11 +1200 Nick Russell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363526#post363526 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363526#post363526 Because while the Chilcot report is utterly damning it falls frustratingly short on most of the Stop The War Coalition bumper stickers. Does it actually say for example that the war was illegal, or that "Blair lied"?

Blair is touting those lines for all he is worth.

What surprises me…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:30:08 +1200 ubernaut https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363524#post363524 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363524#post363524 Amen Rob.
And though you wisely avoid going further to touch the third rail, it seems I have a death-wish.
PNAC was/is explicit – that their actions were intended first and foremost to advance the interests of Israel by breaking up the middle east into small warring statelets that could…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:10:26 +1200 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363512#post363512 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363512#post363512 The largest protests the western world had ever seen were on the streets of their major cities on the eve of the invasion of Iraq. There is almost no mainstream record of that. Millions of people marched, and it was ignored.

There were reportedly 750K of us in San Francisco…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 09:13:04 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363509#post363509 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363509#post363509 Everything is somewhere, but it might not be where you left it.
Continental drift plays havoc with geo-political borders, as well...
:- )

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 06:31:04 +1200 tussock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363506#post363506 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363506#post363506 The largest protests the western world had ever seen were on the streets of their major cities on the eve of the invasion of Iraq. There is almost no mainstream record of that. Millions of people marched, and it was ignored.

The politicians, the press, they wanted a war. Anything…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2016 02:09:41 +1200 Rob S https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363505#post363505 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363505#post363505 The Iraq war was primarily an American imposition on the Middle East.
Blair was led into it by the fool Bush.
I suggest that the Project for the New American Century was the philosophical background and impetus for the war.
Bush the Younger, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, et al signed up…

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:47:06 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363504#post363504 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363504#post363504 I do like the Daily Rupert …

Rupert the First is easily the latter-day William Randolph Hearst.

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:46:57 +1200 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363503#post363503 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363503#post363503 I’ve been watching this on BBC/Skynews from Prague. Fascinating.
I recall Blair praying a lot over whether he should go to war. God spoke to him apparently.

No mention of God in the report it seems…..

I suspect it is now the god afflicted guilt that is seeing…

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 21:45:10 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363502#post363502 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363502#post363502 Britain is a leading member of NATO and an independent nuclear power.

Of all the "independent" nuclear powers, Britain would seem to be the only one whose ability to use its nuclear weapons is dependent on technology supplied by a foreign power, namely Trident. Both its army and air force…

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 21:36:54 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363499#post363499 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363499#post363499 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 21:17:20 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363496#post363496 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363496#post363496 "Much of what Chilcot said last night was, to a greater or lesser extent, already known. A good deal of it was known before the invasion even took place."

Yes, that is what I thought, following the news on Al Jazeera last night, and hearing more about it today, some…

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 20:54:09 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363494#post363494 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363494#post363494 I'm interested in Blair's motivation though

look at me I'm important and powerful and how cool is that, war rocks!

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 20:22:50 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363493#post363493 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363493#post363493 Both have been remarkably effective at making sure that arguments are polarised, positions entrenched and prejudices or suspicions reinforced.

You're going to have to explain to me how Chilcott has caused "positions [to be] entrenched and prejudices or suspicions reinforced" on the pro-war side.

I've seen and heard a lot…

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 20:20:49 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363492#post363492 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363492#post363492 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 20:05:44 +1200 Ianmac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363491#post363491 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363491#post363491 "John Campbell interviews British Prime Minister Tony Blair during his visit to New Zealand. Discusses his unrepentant desire to complete what he sees as his obligations in Iraq and his relationship with USA President George Bush. "
Found it but no footage???

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:49:46 +1200 Ianmac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363490#post363490 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363490#post363490 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:47:15 +1200 Bevan Shortridge https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363488#post363488 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363488#post363488 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0f8NBlmwwE ]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:33:41 +1200 Nick Russell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363480#post363480 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363480#post363480 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:13:21 +1200 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363478#post363478 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363478#post363478 or a look at me I'm important and powerful and how cool is that, war rocks!
coupled with now in hindsight... I'm bloody rich

the predictions of the anti war "mob" were and continue to be the most accurate of all the soothsayers – why have intelligence agencies at all?

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:59:09 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363477#post363477 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363477#post363477 I'm interested in Blair's motivation though; was it:

– a genuine belief that islamist terrorism was a serious threat to the integrity of British society and the only way to deal with that was to forcibly impose a friendly, liberal government in all muslim-majority states?

– belligerent liberalism: a belief…

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:32:28 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363476#post363476 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363476#post363476 And you're surprised that the thinking, progressive people that form the members and supporters of the UK Labour party don't want to elect another Blairite leader?

To think I had respect for Tony Blair once. But now, the Chilcot Inquiry has reinforced him as a man of his times. And…

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:20:30 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363475#post363475 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363475#post363475 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 12:43:07 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363468#post363468 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363468#post363468 The WayBack machine helps though, for anyone keen on chasing the links.

eg. The NYSE banning Al Jazeera.

]]> Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:18:33 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363467#post363467 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363467#post363467 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:50:43 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363466#post363466 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-war-is-still-with-us/?p=363466#post363466 Discussion from blog post.

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