Bainimarama is a strange bed fellow though for Tame Iti.

Hardly. One of the less appealing traits of Maori sovereigntists has been their support for thugs in Fiji.

Duck tastes like lizard .. yuck.

Really? Can you recommend anywhere that serves a good lizard leg confit? :-)

I wasn't very impressed with Iti's recent trip to Fiji to offer support to Bainimarama.

Last time he went over to an earlier coup he later said he went to talk, to find out for himself, and to offer to mediate.

Bainimarama is a strange bed fellow though for Tame…

Yup, not my bag. Especially gamey duck peppered with buckshot.

I wasn't very impressed with Iti's recent trip to Fiji to offer support to Bainimarama.

I doubt Bainimarama will ever be that desperate.

isnt someone a terrorist only after they create terror?

The French…

This is small time stuff but it's worth considering what has gone on in other Pacific countries and I do recall quite a few voices on the Left arguing that such things could happen here if Treaty grievances weren't properly dealt with.

I wasn't very impressed with Iti's recent trip…

isnt someone a terrorist only after they create terror? sort of existing as terror in portentia ohoho

Shot guns are well suited to "room clearing" and urban warfare.

Most weapons are semi automatic. Just means you don't need to cock the weapon after each shot.

Duck tastes like lizard .. yuck.

Artillary used to fire into the sea…

Are they worried the ducks might be able to pick them out of a lineup?

Sounds like an argument against duck hunting. At least with assault rifles. Hardly sounds 'sporting' to me, a lot more like fishing with grenades.

That is every duck hunter I've ever seen.

The most likely mischief for such a totally unaccountable group armed up and training like this is…

That said, I don't like the idea of armed militias roaming around in the forests, whether or not it's about protecting cash crops.

They could get up to mischief just in the forest, let alone any grandiose plans of whacking high level targets. A country of laws doesn't allow it.

…

Northern Ireland just somehow passed you by?

Northern Ireland isn't a spark that started a conflagration.

Northern Ireland is a few hundreds years of oppression, war, religious division, and an occupying army, with periodic bouts of revolution.

What it's certainly not is a couple of dozen guys out in the…

It's certainly entertaining.

That said, I don't like the idea of armed militias roaming around in the forests, whether or not it's about protecting cash crops.

They could get up to mischief just…

They opened boots and bonnets and checked the underside of vehicles and trailers of trucks with…

There's no scenario that you could think of where a few dozen sovereignty activists suddenly commit violent acts, shoot someone, and then hundreds more join them in.

No, but I can think of one where a few Pakeha vigilantes start patrolling with their own guns, and then someone gets shot…

There's no scenario that you could think of where a few dozen sovereignty activists suddenly commit violent acts, shoot someone, and then hundreds more join them in.

There are a number of ways that blokes with guns with grudge can complicate the political process. Tame Iti and co. do have…

The closest you could find in Western countries of what you're talking about are religious cults. Waco, TX, and...

even the waco one is a poor example.

the shooting there wasn't started by the godbotherers, it was started by the law enforcers. the latter got a bit trigger happy, the…

But domestic violent uprising of some sort, in a Western country?

Northern Ireland just somehow passed you by?

What I'm thinking now is that if this turns out to be serious, this should put paid to further calls for increases in police powers, because it would be an example of…

Like, er, throwing a napalm bomb when you could use a fly swat to kill the fly....

Big deal over nothing?

Seems to be a kerfuffle about not much.

Hopefully it will bring the stupid 'anti-terrorist' laws into…

Ooh Craig, the fire brigade turn up to every alarm, even when there's no fire. How's that analogy working out for you?

Wasn't mine, Stephen, but I note the Fire Service takes a very dim view of having their time wasted with false alarms – a position I have considerable…

Ooh Craig, the fire brigade turn up to every alarm, even when there's no…

Large conflagrations start from a few sparks.

I don't think that's the case Neil. There's evidence for that in non-Western countries, but only in an environment where things were ready to catch ablaze. Fidel landing on Cuba was a very small spark to start with, and practically incompetent for the…

Large conflagrations start from a few sparks.

And to extend the analogy, any halfway competent fire-fighter will tell you that calm heads – and a proportionate, considered response – save lives. Flailing around like the proverbial headless chook does not.

Large…

Heh. I'm gonna use that.

But that's not good enough reason to minimise the potential damage that could result from the sorts of things he's alleged to do.

I don't think most of us here are doing any such thing, we're just showing an entirely justified level of prudent scepticism about whether…

The story appears to (deliberately?) confuse the weapons found in the Bay of Plenty with…

It's understandable that the pols won’t be fronting on this for a while but given that this was all passed by the PM and now…

There's a few of nutters in the white supremist world and I'd be pretty worried if they were setting up military-styled training camps.

I see someone's picked up the God Squad angle.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/NewZealanders/MaoriNewZealanders/Taranaki/4/en

Neil – I linked the survival club that Kyle Chapman is part of earlier on & he has conviction s for fire bombing marae. Tame Iti has no such convictions.

There's a few of nutters in the white supremist world and I'd be pretty worried if they were setting up military-styled training camps.

i refer you to someone who has a link to kyle chapman's blog.

down kyle's page you'll note him and a few friends going camping. in camo…

There's a few of nutters in the white supremist world…

that's exactly the criticism of the police being bandied about this morning.

rb is right. this case is interesting. and i think 'fishy'.

maybe it's a quota-mafia thing.

The Herald has an interview with a woman who was urged to join the "freedom fighters", and thought they were "out there and…

Me too. My bet is that the so-called peace activists will turn out to be dodgy hangers-on who used the phone in a co-operatively run office, hung out and drank coffee in the lounge, or something like that.

I still wish the T-word had been brought into play a little more judiciously and if the Police are using the SoTA they've got rock solid reasons for doing so

that's exactly the criticism of the police being bandied about this morning.

rb is right. this case is interesting. and…

There's a part of me that thinks this is all totally awesome. News stories as Google puzzles can be fun.

I think there's going to be a lot of people who are going to have some seriously odd Google searches racked up before this story is done. But for once,…

The BOP raid was planned & fully supported road blocks searches – the works (someone just got back from overseas depolyment) .

AKL picked up their man with a dodgy past.

WLG dawn raid on a doss.

CHC wanted to be seen to do…

Oy... going Christmas shopping with the Brown-Rae household must be an experience. "I'm looking for something plausible in a deer hunting weapon that matches my eyes, and doesn't make the thighs look chunky." :) (Sorry, thought some wholly inappropriate levity was in order.

Oh god, bring on the levity. There's…

Well, the SKS rifle is semi-automatic, but quite plausibly a deer hunting weapon.

Oy... going Christmas shopping with the Brown-Rae household must be an experience. "I'm looking for something plausible in a deer hunting weapon that matches my eyes, and doesn't make the thighs look chunky." :) (Sorry, thought some…

Animal Rights groups with fire bombs for example, and the Earth Liberation Front with even more firebombs. The Unabomber, who killed 23 people, was an anarcho-primtivist who had writings published by Green Anarchy magazine.

Then you've got Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph, a survivalist nutter and a Christian terrorist respectively.…

BTW, personally, I am trained in the use of firearms, in possession of a firearm and ammunition (though not technically so), know how to make molotovs, and know how to make Napalm…

So far as I can tell, no has used the phrase "terrorist threat" in a report today, so no need for a moratorium on that.

Indeed, Russell. I was doing a bit of channel surfing on the radio, and it's not really fair to hold NewstalkZB responsible for a rather…

The 46-year-old, who has been in the public eye before for providing security to failed Auckland businessman Mark Lyon, says he is seeking private prosecutions against a number of public servants later this week.

A search warrant was also been executed on…

Ask yourself this. If the police really thought when they were catching up with crazed Maori Leftist Greenie Animal lovers, that these people were really dangerous terra-ists why did they take a TV3 crew with them.

Apart from the fact they may have been injured by stray bullets or suicide…

I shouldn't be surprised…

Therefore its not about them, it's about us. This is State Terrorism creating a climate of fear. To remove support from the Maori Party & the Greens, & gain support from NZ Firster as strong against grugs. It is purely to get a 4th Term for the Labour Govt.

This is a…

I'm also wondering what's going…

Two hunters alerted police to the presence of armed men in camouflage in the Ureweras after stumbling into their camp, the Herald can reveal.

Police today arrested 17 people in nationwide raids linked to alleged weapons training camps in the Bay of Plenty.…

The cops didn't have a search warrent for the 2 CHCH addresses. What the?
Save Happy Valley dudes. Tree hugging hippies (I really love hippies just weary of…

Were they singing as well?????

We love our Molenberg ...
Oh the policemans life for me ... (with apologies to Cosi Fan Tutte)

see page 19

And since when do "real terrorists" need a popular support base? You mean like Bader Meinhoff, say?

Baader Meinhoff arose out of widespread civil disobedience, and state crackdowns on them. A student was killed and a number of the protesters decided to go the violent route.

Weatherman, or Weather Underground…

Were they singing as well?????

The flag high! The ranks tightly closed!
NZP marches with a firm, courageous pace.
Comrades, shot dead by Red Front and Reaction
March in spirit…

one of the cyber-hori items was:

Army camo / camoflauge pants XXXXL

Fattest terrorist ever.

Lol.

And a request for MSM folks: Perhaps you could delcare a moratorium on throwing around terms like 'terror raids' and 'terrorist threats' at least until charges alleging any such thing are laid. I've given up hoping that the distinction between a charge and conviction means anything any more.

So far…

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Members/Feedback.aspx?member=2031910

In our cyber-age there can be no higher accolade.

Sounds too much like a Paul Holmes wet dream to be true.

It seems…

Apologize to the lion and the cobra and tell them that real Aucklanders don't fart in lifts. Then enjoy the show.

Good one Ben.

Apologize to the lion and the cobra and tell them that real Aucklanders don't fart in lifts. Then enjoy the show.

Good one Ben.

that particular type of conflict will never happen in nzl.

Hum... I'll remember that that when the election campaign get going – because it's almost inevitable that someone is going to predict race war if the evil John Key ever gets the keycard to the 9th Floor.

What I find…

Apologize to the lion and the cobra and tell them that real Aucklanders don't fart in lifts. Then enjoy the show.

Good one Ben.

Apologize to the lion and the cobra and tell them that real Aucklanders don't fart in lifts. Then enjoy the show.

I'd think that this list of offending trademe purchases would indicate that at least one person likes running round like a soldier...

Which we might want to remember isn't actually illegal.

Looking at that list, there are two dodgy items: a "Sig Assault Rifle" (which I'd hope isn't what it…

I wouldn't be so sanguine, either, Che. If nutbars succeed in doing real harm, even if they are not popular in their own group, they can still create or increase friction between that group and other groups. They can inspire previously unmotivated nutbars, in their…

I really am not trying to be mindlessly alarmist as you seem to be implying.

i agree. you weren't. i laughed because it was such an implausible scenario.

the one thing i remember about cabinet papers surrounding the treaty settlement process (early 1990s), was concern about undermining the social conflict…

Ok. So you get into a lift and find a cobra, a lion and John Banks. You only have two bullets in your gun what do you do?

Hope you have a license for that firearm, because otherwise you're going to jail?

Shoot the Prick TWICE ;-)

Careful. One News will be leading with threats against the mayor of Auckland tomorrow...

We'd have people like you demanding we give every jackbooted wannabe thug in a uniform a blank cheque to do whatever they wanted with no public scrutiny or oversight?

It was just a comment that some people seem to be frothing for some real terrorist action, just so they can…

Shoot the Prick TWICE ;-)

Unlawful possession of firearms

And when you actually read it further, that "unlawful posession" means "getting to play with someone else's gun". It's an offence, you see, unless they have a firearms licence (or you do).

Normally, this isn't the sort of thing people check, so they may be able…

Having a stash of molotovs is odd. They're quick to whip up and would be a risk if stock piled & moved. If…

I'd throw the gun away, and put on track two of The Lion and the Cobra and turn the lift into a disco, and hope that Sinead O'Connor's college radio hit "Mandinka" would get Banksie grooving.

Banks grooving?

My brain just broke.

I am not an enthusiast for, umm, the…

British Tory PMs seem to have been rather good on this subject.

Harold Macmillan put it more pithily than Salisbury (and as a journalist, this is a comment I have taken to heart):

"We did not abolish the divine right of kings to replace it with the divine right…

I don't want armed sectarian conflict OR jackbooted wannabe thugs doing whatever they wanted with no public scrutiny or oversight.

How does that fit into your dichotomous world view, I/S?

Perfectly; I don't want either either. It was just a comment that some people seem to be frothing for some…

My understanding was that the Prime Minister's Office and the Diplomatic Protection Squad have a strict no comment and certainly…

Ok. So you get into a lift and find a cobra, a lion and John Banks. You only have two bullets in your gun what do you do?

Is Banks naked and who's eating the mattress?

Ok. So you get into a lift and find a cobra, a lion and John Banks. You only have two bullets in your gun what do you do?

I'd throw the gun away, and put on track two of The Lion and the Cobra and turn the lift into a…

So you get into a lift and find a cobra, a lion and John Banks. You only have two bullets in your gun what do you do?

Banks being the snake makes just 2 to shoot.

**No lesson seems to be so deeply inculcated by the experience of life as that you should never trust experts. If you believe doctors, nothing is wholesome: if you believe the…

Ok. So you get into a lift and find a cobra, a lion and John Banks. You only have two bullets in your gun what do you do?

Call your local terrorist cell and requisition some more?

Ok. So you get into a lift and find a cobra, a lion and John Banks. You only have two bullets in your gun what do you do?

Assume the fetal position, soil myself, be very, very still and very, very quiet. :)

OTOH, I can also imagine "molotov cocktails"…

Anyway, let's hope the Police have some steak under the sizzle because cases involving alleged 'terrorist' have a nasty habit of falling apart faster than candy floss in a monsoon.

I followed some links from the blog I referenced above, and does seem that there are people who support the…

Oh, and some dude in the Indymedia comments reckons it's all a set-up by Dow Agrichemicals ...

Isn't it always? I've got a pet theory regarding Dow complicity in the Second Punic War if anyone's interested,

Just got off the phone from Mark Jennings at TV3: it was the Sunrise cameraman arriving at work, seeing the police on their way to the raid, grabbing his camera and following them. That's why there was no reporting with the clip — no reporter!

And quite a happy outcome…

They made the call to…

From the perspective of this Wellingtonian, Hubbard and Banks remind me of Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo...

LOL.

Less than 24 hours after being elected, Banks is big-noting about "I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do that"...

From the perspective of this Wellingtonian, Hubbard and Banks remind me of Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo...

Angus, I think we shall have to give up on our gloriously underwhelming bid to keep discussing the Auckland local body elections, this…

Oh, and some dude in the Indymedia comments reckons it's all a set-up by Dow Agrichemicals ...

the first thing you'd need is the preconditions for an armed conflict. for example, an intractable civil conflict to feed it.

Iti was providing one such precondition – arming and training people. Had the police not intervened we would have been that one step closer.

In the minds of some…

Meanwhile, in a classic bit of Indymedia dissonance, an invitation to "support the arrestees" protests sits above an invitation to protest outside a weapons conference.

It appears that the offences so far being considered are:

Participation in a terrorist group
Unlawful possession of firearms
Unlawful possession of restricted weapons

And someone may have a semi-automatic.

the only armed camps up Northland way would be guarding their plantations....

Do they still grow pot outdoors? Man, there were some good things about the old days ...

Less than 24 hours after being elected, Banks is big-noting about "I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do that"...

Just like last time?

And just like last time, he's going to shockingly discover that 1) he only has one vote and cant tell the…

Had the police not acted as they have that is what we might have got. Iti may be a fool but that does not mean that he couldn't be a catalyst for something pretty nasty.

that is a very, very long bow.

the first thing you'd need is the preconditions…

The Peace Movement by definition is pacifist.

And also by definition they want the state to be more pacifist in nature, making their success a common cause to every violent local or foriegn group who wants to disarm state security.

armed Maori camps in Northland preparing themselves for The Revolution.

the only armed camps up Northland way would be guarding their plantations....

a few nutters, and the police/army sorting them out is not a "sectarian conflict".

No it isn't and that is not what I said. Had the police not acted as they have that is what we might have got. Iti may be a fool but that does not mean that…

I was assured by some hardcore Marxist flatmates of mine – this would have been in the late 80s – that there were armed Maori camps in Northland preparing themselves for The Revolution.

I was told by someone who was in a position to know that there were actually Maori…

I was assured by some hardcore Marxist flatmates of mine – this would have been in the late 80s – that there were armed Maori camps in Northland preparing themselves for The Revolution.…

Now tell me you wouldn't be just a bit concerned if Brian Tamaki was up to the same sort of thing?

absolutely. brian is actually capable of organising things.

but neil, listen to yourself. tama iti.

mostly though i laughed at "armed sectarian conflict".

a few nutters, and the police/army…

As an etymological aside I notice some people using the word 'hippie' as a derogatory term. Could someone please explain why this is so? I don't understand.

I'm going to go with Cartman from South Park as my source on this – perhaps its a generational thing?

Hmmm, thinking about the ethnic composition of the NZ armed forces most military training camps for Maori are probably run in the open by the Army :)

Dude! That's the scenario of the notorious Political Review cover story where Chris Trotter proposed (as a good thing) a coup led by…

Rudman has a good point in the Herald about the Hobson Wards that came out against Banks and killed the eastern bypass not being present this time.

military training camp conspiracies have been around since the '80s.

are you suggesting there are still some tuhoe training from the old libya days?

actually... come to think of it... that isn't unlikely. time stands still up there.

Posters here whose first instinct is to trash the police might just want to give some thought about what the consequences for NZ would be if a militia was allowed to set off an armed sectarian conflict.

LMAO.

sigh.... thanks neil, best laugh in days...

"armed sectarian conflict". first you'd…

The Kelvyn Alp/AIF stuff is interesting in a survivalist wackjob way though.

Apology accepted ;-)

Fair enough. I've ended up being quite diverted by Mr Alp's continuing adventures now. Seems he's a subscriber to the 2012 Mayan catastrophe theory and has set up a super-secret financial transactions service for 2012ers…

http://www.peace.net.nz/about.htm

Bob
Hitler was a Hippy

Free Love = Ledensborn
Vegetarian
Artist
Nudists
Youth Hostels
Overt emphasis on "nature"

All pretty Hippy stuff

Sorry Michael this makes no sense to me at all.

Thanks Merc for mentioning the Yippies. Surely Auckland is in dire need of them right now?

The Kelvyn Alp/AIF stuff is interesting in a survivalist wackjob way though.

Apology accepted ;-)

Posters here whose first instinct is to trash the police might just want to give some thought about what the consequences for NZ would be if a militia was allowed to set off an armed sectarian conflict.

We'd have people like you demanding we give every jackbooted wannabe thug in…

And given he's referencing himself today you can't really be blamed...

Ahh ... classic Wishart. He's headlined his post "Apocalypse Now" and referred to a "terror plot" in the first sentence.

The Kelvyn Alp/AIF stuff is interesting in a survivalist wackjob way though.

Free Love = Ledensborn
Vegetarian
Artist
Nudists
Youth Hostels
Overt emphasis on "nature"

All pretty Hippy stuff

We're not talking about "armed sectarian conflict" here; we're talking about a few isolated nutters with guns and no popular support base (something absolutely vital for any real terrorist movement). And it's entirely proper to treat them as such. But please continue your hysteria, it's most amusing

We don't actually…

Posters here whose first instinct is to trash the police might just want to give some thought about what the consequences for NZ would be if a militia was allowed to set off an armed sectarian conflict.

We'd have people like you demanding we give every jackbooted wannabe thug in…

Police looking for some good shots of their big day busting activists, needed to bring a TV camera on the only raid near a TV station?

Well, yes...

As an etymological aside I notice some people using the word 'hippie' as a derogatory term. Could someone please explain why this is so? I don't understand.

Ha! I was just going to post this:

I'm surprised no-one's suggested the obvious conspiracy theory: Kerry P gets re-elected, and immediately thinks…

TV3 has an office in Wellington?
Err, yip, infact it is about 3 blocks down from the house in question,
Following the changes to the Willis/Abel smith intersection, I suspect it they may have even walked there, it would have been quicker than driving :)

They could have cycled up…

As an etymological aside I notice some people using the word 'hippie' as a derogatory term. Could someone please explain why this is so? I don't understand.

Punks.

Young Ones.

Neil.

Posters here whose first instinct is to trash the police might just want to give some thought about what the consequences for NZ would be if a militia was allowed to set off an armed sectarian conflict.

Heh, I got here late and thought briefly "Jeebus what has Banks done…

I don't care if they're right-wing or left-wing crazy people, or "badly organised" or not. And I'm not clear on what freedoms I'm being deprived of in the police intervening to stop crazy people doing crazy things with weapons.

Intervening, I should note, by getting search warrants, arresting people, bringing…

The quote you are thinking of is probably from Pastor Martin Niemoeller.

Thank you Stephen, I stand corrected. I just remembered the poem was erroneously attributed to someone, Bertold Brecht I think and I always get the two mixed up. They both had names, names always confuse me ;-)

Angus, I'm not sure Hinchcliff was ever a credible choice. His policy ideas certainly didn't dovetail with those of City Vision and he acted, as a CV elected councillor, in ways incommensurate with continuing a healthy…

TV3 has an office in Wellington?

Err, yip, infact it is about 3 blocks down from the house in question,

Following the changes to the Willis/Abel smith intersection, I suspect it they may have even walked there, it would have been quicker than driving :)

Of course there was that solider in parmy flicking stuff off to gangs a few months back.

So this great bit of police action might be the result of crap security & accountability by the army. Not terrorism per se.

Annoying, in-your-face, rude and condescending.

"Bugger off, dolphin head!"

;)

The reference to Wishart was not out of thin air, it was from memory.

And given he's referencing himself today you can't really be blamed...

There is Research going into Planning & Islamist Terrorism at the moment.

My gut on this is to make people friendly spaces and remove cars from shared spaces. No parking on the side of the road etc and parrallel infrastructure for bikes and…

*cough* *splutter*

There weren't any communists when Edmund Burke was around. Burke died in 1797, Marx wrote Das Kapital in 1867.

Also Burke was as crusty a conservative as you could get and I think…

In the early nineties the police raided the Auckland People's Centre after a protest…

Interesting priorities indeed. Perhaps the prohibition of cannabis has helped fund these alleged activities in the Ureweras.

Sshhh, Paula!

Unfortunately, I suspect many "Jacqui Dean" types would take the wrong message from any such links, and suggest they would be good reason to make Cannabis a Class A drug.

On…

must have scared the piss out of the hippies living in that place. nice to hear bellbirds in the background though.

that karori sanctuary is really coming along.

I wouldn't have expected actual firearms and stuff, but then again, maybe they decided to get serious with some non-vegans...

i know the place as well. you'd likely find a lot of smokers in there, but i'd very surprised if they were activity associated with any terrorists.

unless you call…

There's got to be a story in why TV3 were either invited, or 'accidentally told' to be there for that dawn raid.

TV3's offices aren't too far from the scene. Apparently a reporter saw a group of cops formation marching down a street and followed.

It's the thin end of the wedge and to say "one of the news stories" is a bit disingenuous with regard to your attitude to the MSM. Yes it would seem to be quite a bit different but we all know things are rarely what they seem.

It was [[http://www.stuff.co.nz/4238342a10.html|the…

(Personally, I find…

And yet, if memory serves, no such efforts are necessary if an Officer says "Allo allo I think I smell marijuana smoke in this car" and invokes the Misuse of Drugs Act to conduct a warrantless search?

Interesting priorities.

I think in this case it was definitely a case of…

They could. And indeed did. That's what took them so long. They got all the evidence they had together, swore affidavits and found a judge/JP to give them a search warrant.

That all takes time. The different with this case is that here they actually had time.

And yet, if…

So, they couldn't use that act to open a car boot with a woman's body in it?

Of couse not. There were too many cops sitting on it to write in their notebooks.
True, that car was just up the street from here and for 2 days every time I…

The number of people who will walk out onto the road before teh little green guy lights up is astounding.

I always* wait for the green man**. It's usually cos I'm lazy and I can't be bothered doing the mental calculation and possible running that going on a red man…

I appreciate Tom's attempt to link the two through reference to SUV advertising though.…

Arresting people alleged to have been training in the use of "military-style weapons" (one of the news stories mentioned grenades) for political ends would seem to be quite a bit different.

Indeed it would – thought they'd need to show that the group was a group that carried out terrorist…

So, they couldn't use that act to open a car boot with a woman's body in it?

They could. And indeed did. That's what took them so long. They got all the evidence they had together, swore affidavits and found a judge/JP to give them a search warrant.

That all…

Arresting people alleged to have been training in the use of "military-style weapons" (one of the news stories mentioned grenades) for political ends would seem to be quite a bit different.

It's the thin end of the wedge and to say "one of the news stories"…

The Summary Proceedings Act is the act under which police obtain search warrants. The obtained Search Warrants under that act for suspected breaches of the Arms Act and the Terrorism Suppression Act.

So, they couldn't use that act to open a car boot with a woman's body in it?

The raids were, in fact, conducted under the Summary Proceedings Act but any mention of the TSA is scary to me.

The Summary Proceedings Act is the act under which police obtain search warrants. The obtained Search Warrants under that act for suspected breaches of the Arms Act and the…