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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Despite what they say, the Convention Centre in Auckland must have already cost taxpayers money &ndash; ousting TVNZ from their building </q></p><p>As is the usual practice for these slithy toves that brown bag of cash will be on TVNZ's books as a loss, or profit depending on the use they…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:54:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>The needle and the damage done...</strong><br />Despite what they say, the Convention Centre in Auckland must have already cost taxpayers money &ndash; ousting TVNZ from their building (without engagement or consultation as far as I can make out) cannot have been a cost neutral exercise &ndash; or is TVNZ completely…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:37:29 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Seems when the blowtorch is on SkyCity's CEO, he tries to shift the goal posts.</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/66043258/skycity-ceo-taxpayers-always-on-the-hook-for-higher-costs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SkyCity CEO: Taxpayers always on the hook for higher costs</a></p><p>And how much advertising revenue is the Granny prepared to forego, if it grows a pair and properly investigates the whole wheeler-deal?</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/skycity/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503717&amp;objectid=11395341" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SkyCity advertorial</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:30:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						Deja vu all over again. Saatchi's Wellington attempted a similar campaign for Tower Insurance in the early 90s. Tower staff, supposedly filmed without their knowledge, delivered expansive soundbites about how being in the insurance game was the next best thing to being Mother Theresa. Essentially it was standard issue corporate…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:11:51 +1300</pubDate>
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						It also glosses over SkyCity's history of uneasy industrial relations. As for Colin Espiner, every man has his price.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:39:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Of SkyCity's $820m revenue last year $570m came from gambling and less than $200m was from non-gambling business.</q></p><p>Ahhh, here, that's the thing see....If we help Sky City to make more money out of non-gambling business then the percentage of profits from gambling  goes down. Unless, of course, the convention…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 10:40:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>croup to croupier....</strong><br />Speaking of horses arses... Whatever credibility Colin Espiner ever had is now well washed away, as he <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/65892248/expensive-skycity-ad-unbelievable" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">justifies Sky City's current ad campaign</a><br /><q>SkyCity spokesman Colin Espiner said the company did not want to highlight the casino and gambling operations.<br />"What we were looking at was areas…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 08:24:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>Yeah my kids will be paying for Dunedin's stupid stadium, probably my grand kids too, if some councillors have their way.</p><p>Even if you ignore the horrendous mortgage its costing the local ratepayers $4M a year in what are basically subsidies to its only user, professional rugby, who blatantly ignore…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2015 22:53:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>I accidentally watched 15 seconds of telly just now.</p><p>Caught the Sky City ad.</p><p>Goodness me....who would have thought SkyCity was bordering on a charitable institution?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2015 22:15:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>stadia distance...</strong><br /><q>a big empty building</q><br />I'm thinking dirigible airship storage hangar might be a good use for that stadium &ndash; follow the steampunk dollar, and it could just be tethered outside for the few days a year it gets used for other fixtures...</p><p>I'd stay away from those budget…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2015 16:04:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						What's the return on investment here? OK, for the National party they invest public money in Sky City, and get 0.5% of that back to the National party through the trusts, so that's only costing them a fourth term. Or not even that, as three years for people to forget…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2015 14:22:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>Recall there was a Commonwealth public service report that revealed ours was so depleted we almost couldn’t run the election process.</q></p><p>Ah, yes, I do vaguely recall that. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be in the <a href="http://www.thecommonwealth-ilibrary.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Commonwealth's iLibrary</a>, or anywhere else.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2014 20:21:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/skycitys-expected-subvention-explained-for-john-roughan/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Handy backgrounder</a> at Te Standard about why SkyCity's recent shakedown efforts come as no surprise (unless you're a gullible tool like the Herald's Roughan).
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 11:29:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<p>I wonder if Cr Brewer has shares in SkyCity? It’s always fun sorting out those who’ll stick to their principles, and those who have a price.</p><p>Shares are not a way to make real money, this is  2015 its being a partner in a public relations consultancy. Heard of Graham,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 11:14:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>very Drole...</strong><br /><q>On another note</q><br />'The Aluminati', heh!</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:38:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Hah!  The Gospel according to Auntie Fran....</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11379425" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11379425</a></p><p>and from the "what I learned in the holidays"  file.....the meaning of the expression "butt snorkelling".</p><p>Thank heavens for the Young People.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:21:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Recall there was a Commonwealth public service report that revealed ours was so depleted we almost couldn't run the election process. Sorry to hear your circumstances at the time.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2014 04:14:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>What was the inside-bubble scoop on our 1999 near-failure to be capable of conducting an election?</q></p><p>Not sure what you're obliquely referring to but then, 99 was a bit of a blur for me, getting diagnosed with clinical depression and getting medicated, and then my dad passed, so I wasn't…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 22:39:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						NZ missed austerity until now. About to cop it if that target of 25% reduction in beneficiaries is followed through.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 20:16:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>public service run into the ground and still their chums the captains of enterprise need public handouts to make their way in the world. Crowding out, my arse.</q></p><p>When is austerity not austerity? When it's neo-feudalism.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:37:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						What was the inside-bubble scoop on our 1999 near-failure to be capable of conducting an election?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:28:10 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>On another note (because it is Friday, after all), I saw this today:<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk&amp;feature=youtu.be" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk&amp;feature=youtu.be</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:04:08 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Just like the end of National’s last time in govt then </q></p><p>Yup, the same "more with less" mantra being openly parroted as well.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 19:03:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>areas are running below minimum requirements</q></p><p>Just like the end of National's last time in govt then &ndash; public service run into the ground and still their chums the captains of enterprise need public handouts to make their way in the world. Crowding out, my arse.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 17:14:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>I think if the ‘Gerry Brownlie Memorial Stadium’ were to be given the green light, there’d be riots!</q></p><p>With lots of the rioters wanting to make the "memorial" part immediate.</p>
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						<p><q>See also: the release of a nine-month-old report into what a complete clusterfuck Steven Joyce's "super ministry" is.</q></p><p>The word on the street (in the Bubble, at least) is that MoBIE is about to implode and has been for a while now. They're laying off contractors (sorry, "exercising early termination…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:59:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Marc C</title>
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						Indeed, this post is yet another very good summary for yet another huge screw up by this government. And yes, the bad news get released just when most are too busy filling the malls, tidying up their desks and workplaces before going on leave, and are partying to forget another…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2014 17:53:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>Keys is crafty at what he does &ndash; however &ndash; what he does is not what he<br />should be doing.</p><p>Key, the Nats, are masterful at taking a position of strength, being the government, and negotiating/legislating to a position of absolute weakness and liability for the tax/rate payer. </p><p>The con…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Can hardly expect the wealthy to pay for their own recreation..
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Jesus Christ &mdash; <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11378513" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">another Steven Joyce special</a>.</p><p><q>Taxpayers will pay $1.9 million to bankroll the next two New Zealand Open golf tournaments despite the predicted economic return falling well short of the requirement for such a large investment of public money ...</p><p>The tournament's funding application relied heavily on its ability…</q></p>
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				<title>Sol K</title>
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						The question is... Is this another "announce something hysterically outrageous to get away with then pushing through the merely abhorrent" scenarios?
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						<p><q>Brewer contriving to find himself in a minority of one today over the convention centre is hilarious though.</q></p><p>I wonder if Cr Brewer has shares in SkyCity? It's always fun sorting out those who'll stick to their principles, and those who have a price.</p><p>__"SkyCity boss Nigel Morrison’s confirmed this…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>That’s just ridiculous. Brewer is perennially on the margins. Getting your name in the paper a lot is not being “effective”. But I guess it does explain Orsman’s approach.</q></p><p>Let's be fair, Russell.  Brewer's been a reliable rentaquote for The Herald's campaign to hound an elected Mayor out of office.…</p>
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						<p><q> <em>the most effective opposition voice around the council table</em></p><p>Utter lightweight.</q></p><p>That’s just ridiculous. Brewer is perennially on the margins. Getting your name in the paper a lot is not being “effective”. But I guess it does explain Orsman's approach.</p><p>Brewer contriving to find himself in <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11378528" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a minority of one today</a>…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I still don’t understand why these glamor convention centers are so important</q></p><p>I can perfectly understand why San Diego is rather keen to spend an awful lot money expanding the San Diego Convention Center (largely financed with an enormously controversial hotel tax that has been tied up in legal challenges…</p>
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						<p><q> both our dollars falling</q><br />Against what? E.g. the yen has fallen 10% against the Kiwi over the last 2 years.</p>
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						Thank you. Never heard that snippet of history. Funny that.
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						<p><q>So who might Auckland's Francis de Groot be? There's no lack of potential candidates among the Len Brown haters.</q></p><p>That CRL is a grand plan, guv.</p>
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						<p><q>Because politicians get to cut the ribbons at their openings</q></p><p>I agree. Something as sad as that too. Small men desire big buildings.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>    I still don’t understand why these glamor convention centers are so important</p><p>Because politicians get to cut the ribbons at their openings. This is what drives all “commercial” activity by the public sector.</q></p><p>So who might Auckland's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_de_Groot" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Francis de Groot</a> be? There's no lack of potential candidates among the Len…</p>
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						<p>giving Orsman far too much credit. <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11367805" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This assessment</a> is but one tiny example of his stupidity.</p><p><q>the most effective opposition voice around the council table</q></p><p>Utter lightweight.</p>
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						<p><q>Herald editorial: 'SkyCity must meet its side of bargain'.</q></p><p>And in a good sign, the vast majority of comments (last I checked at least) are against SkyCity going cap in hand.</p>
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						<p><q>So after bitching about and needlessly politicising any number of considered spending decisions, Brewer is happy to kick in a council subsidy on this?</p><p>He really wants a safe National seat, doesn’t he?</q></p><p>The story so far: Cr Brewer will [[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11367805|probably step down from AKL politics to focus on his spin…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I’d say total income from tourism, and more narrowly conferences, might be relevant measures.</q></p><p>I think Auckland could use a central city conference theatre that held 3500, and a big, modern exhibition space. Major Pacific-rim cities have this kind of facility.</p><p>They'd be well sited for future public transport developments…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>The rebates for the films cost about the same as (or a little more than) the economic activity they generate, but I don’t think tourism is counted in that.</p><p>And Auckland got a notable infrastructure boost as part of the Rugby World Cup (how much economic activity the RWC generated…</q></p>
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						<p><q>He really wants a safe National seat, doesn’t he?</q></p><p>I'm quite happy to do my bit to make sure he doesn't even get shortlisted for one north of the Harbour Bridge.  (Which reminds me I've got to collect some Kate Sheppards from some folks who were a tad over confident…</p>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						<p><q>I still don’t understand why these glamor convention centers are so important</q></p><p>Because politicians get to cut the ribbons at their openings.  This is what drives all "commercial" activity by the public sector.</p>
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						<p><q>an indication</q></p><p>I'd say total income from tourism, and more narrowly conferences, might be relevant measures. Often wild guesswork, I agree, but StatsNZ, MBIE et al do collect some. Presume the NZICC business case discussed all this too. Plenty seem unimpressed with the latest turn of events, in any case.</p>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=11378043" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald editorial</a>: 'SkyCity must meet its side of bargain'.
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						<p><q>The 6.0 per cent growth we saw for the year ending December 2013, and the continuing growth of 7.3 per cent through to year-end February 2014, is the kind of growth not seen in a decade</q></p><p>From NZIER, one of the many economics consultancies who make a living from justifying…</p>
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						<p><q>Over the last decade or so, we’ve had well over a billion of public money (along with designer legislation) gifted to various corporations for events and productions that would, allegedly, transform our economy with a flood of tourists. Did this work?</q></p><p>There's actually <a href="http://www.tourismnewzealand.com/tourism-news-and-insights/media-releases/latest-releases/2014/03/impact-of-tourism-marketing-quantified/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">reasonable evidence</a> that however much we might…</p>
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						<p>Joyce to his officials:</p><p>"Won't somebody rid me of this turbulent lease?"</p>
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						Try Snap. By far the best telco ive come across (and ive tried most). You may spend a few extra dollars but its absolutely worth it. Their customer service is superb and they are even based in Christchurch so you'll be supporting a local business.
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						And, just in case you think those nips in the graph represent actual real benefits of movies and ball games, above are the Australian figures for the period. They have different boondoggles, but their data tracks ours remarkably well
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						<p><q>the same modeling</q></p><p>Exactly. There’s a whole industry of economists who can produce back of an envelope calculations with the fudge factors on warpdrive to justify spending taxpayer dollars pouring some more concrete.</p><p>If there is a huge untapped market of people wanting to fly across the world for conferences,…</p>
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						<p>What is unbeleivable is that Christchurch is still dealing with this four years later.</p><p>One would think that there would be a plan,  a protocol,  a system.</p><p>Family X is temporarily moving into Y address while property Z is being repaired.</p><p>Here is Customer Service Person C,  who sole job…</p>
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						The theory is they bring foreign currency here. They also just happen to provide large construction projects that the financial sector can make lots of money from, with public agencies helping reduce the risk.
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						<p><q>...it's not just the phone it's the telly and broadband as well</q><br />I had a similar experience with Vodafone the last time we moved house. We arranged to have the telco services transferred weeks in advance and were assured that everything would go smoothly. We arrived at our new home…</p>
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						<p><q>merry bloody christmas indeed</q>Ah well then, sticking with Rosemary's theme, here's a Bloody christmas song:<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af7LwnA913g" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af7LwnA913g</a></p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>oh the tort cha, cha cha cha...</strong><br /><q>You need cheering up.</q><br />Rectal reconnection, that has a familiar ring to it!</p><p>...it's not just the phone it's the telly and broadband as well<br />(they did try there &ndash; first with a vstick or vodem or somesuch<br />then a modem arrived out…</p>
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						<p>Pour qui? <br />pour Key et ses amis<br />open season. open sesame! <br />hoping for a handout, cash for free:<br />that’s gambling in / on / with the SkyCity.</p><p>pork for pokies:<br />pokerfaced porkies;<br />poor communication;<br />poor consultation;<br />poor conduct.<br />porous contracts …<br />poor us.</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>I'm shocked!</p><p>I look to you,  Ian,  as the poet...the wordsmith...he who encapsulates with brevity and wit.</p><p>You need cheering up.</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufOIgiuR1j0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufOIgiuR1j0</a></p>
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						<p><q>TV3 was completely MIA on this story tonight, so maybe it really does make sense to dump all this 2 days before Christmas.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/govt-clashes-with-skycity-over-construction-costs-2014122210#axzz3Mf8fThEJ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Or not</a>. Still, it wasn't even headline news.</p>
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						<p><q>They’re becoming notorious for this kind of thing, unfortunately.</q></p><p>Their cable network in Wellington is still pretty robust. But when I changed plans, they pinged me the equivalent of a disconnection fee for the 'convenience'. And their helpdesk is still under-staffed &ndash; not that I've had to even ring them…</p>
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						<p><q>Vodafone wants our money.</q></p><p>They're becoming notorious for this kind of thing, unfortunately.</p><p>In happier news &mdash; I got your package, Ian! Delighted by the contents <em>and</em> the bomb-proof swaddling with gaffa tape. Once a roadie, always ...</p>
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						<p><strong>Speaking of arrogant uncaring multinational corporations...</strong></p><p>...does anyone have an email address for anyone in influence further up the food chain at the hopelessly organised <strong>Vodafone</strong> &ndash; everytime I see that ad that says 'The reliable network' I want to kick in the television &ndash; if you have an address,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:43:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Shill be right...</strong><br />Key and Joyce get 'railroaded' into these things with promises of 'deals too good to miss' &ndash; they are classic 'rubes', or maybe we are....</p><p>....is this the 'Three Convention Centre monte'?<br />The scams keep on coming.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:47:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>And meanwhile, the Wellington convention centre project Steven Joyce touted <strong>yesterday</strong> as an example to Auckland <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/64406632/100m-hilton-project-back-to-drawing-board" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">just fell over</a>.</p><p>What a shambles.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:51:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>And so we get to ….</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11378108" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rates cash eyed for SkyCity</a>.</p><p>Yes, after stiffing Auckland Council on the CRL out of little more than political spite, the government has the damn nerve to suggest – without even a heads-up to the mayor – that Auckland ratepayers might like to cover its…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:20:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						<p>Dear Stevie Joyce,</p><p>Thanks ever so for this wonderful Xmas pressie. As Johnnie often says, "At the end of the day taxpayers are more worried about snapper than forking out millions for our friends in the gambling addiction industry". After all, those Salvation Army folk need  extra work to do,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 05:42:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Stewart</title>
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						TV3 was completely MIA on this story tonight, so maybe it really does make sense to dump all this 2 days before Christmas.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 23:22:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Roger Lacey</title>
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						I wonder how many more pokies they will be given to make up the current estimated deficit and how many more once it's built and the true cost is known?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:17:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p><q>I am not saying that government ministers and officials set out to craft a bad deal</q></p><p>I think that's a very generous interpretation, but I agree that it's just as likely to be a case for <a href="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hanlon's Razor</a>. </p><p>I don't know which is worse: outright corruption, or outright stupidity (despite…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:18:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mike O&#039;Connell</title>
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						I think if the 'Gerry Brownlie Memorial Stadium' were to be given the green light, there'd be riots!
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 18:49:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andre</title>
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						Let's build it at just above the High Tide mark, like the new motorway tunnels at Waterview. Make the grandkids pay, that's the Keynglishjoyce way. I wonder if they intend to borrow another $50 billion, and what they'll spend it on.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:42:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>as good as those foisted on Dunedin ratepayers for the covered stadium</q></p><p>such a good deal, let's have another one in Chch!</p>
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						<p><q>Projections of future financial viability</q></p><p>exactly &ndash; we've seen this time and time again with the usual bullish projections and eventual cost overruns and poor performance passed onto the tax/rate payer &ndash; be it IT projects, rationalisation and re-organisation of an entity(ies) etc etc. Hardly rocket science to see through…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:14:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						<p>Projections of future  financial viability of the convention centre might be as good as those  foisted on Dunedin ratepayers for the covered stadium. <cough, splutter></p><p>"Muppets" is an apt description, except that I suspect the Minister realised taxpayers might have to be tapped eventually. This is not simply incompetence.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 15:53:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>I'm so much loving these<br /><q> switched-on autonomous moral agents</q><br />I feel a song coming on <br />(with apologies to the usual suspects);<br /><strong>a Gershwin-win situation?</strong><br /><em>(Not really fully) SOAMA-time</em><br />Fleecing the living is easy...<br />Fer sure jumpin'<br />and cotton-on-shy<br />Owe your daddies rich<br />endure RMAs good luckin'<br />shush, liability, <br />you gonna…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:49:02 +1300</pubDate>
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						Good point.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:22:03 +1300</pubDate>
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						Perhaps I should expand on what I just wrote.  I am not saying that government ministers and officials set out to craft a bad deal (for the public) in order to favour corporate buddies.  It was probably more that there was pressure for a deal, the politicians were not into…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:21:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>poor moi...</strong><br />The Sky City head honcho on <em>Morning Report</em> today, was quite the piece of work, all the bully-boy repertoire on display, playing the martyr card &ndash; master class stuff!</p><p>Someone, save us from the Alpha Males<br />the pod that is in power now<br />is taking us beach-wards<br />at…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:12:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>more like a feature rather than a bug</q></p><p>I agree they knew exactly what they were doing in the bigger picture &ndash; transferring public money into private pockets. However it's a good opportunity to heap ridicule on the manufactured image of these guys as sound managers on the public's behalf.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:07:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						Calling the people who negotiated this deal muppets just lets them off the hook.  These deals are nothing new, and there are plenty of people with experience in and close to government.  That the public is now on the hook for extra costs is more like a feature rather than…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:01:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<p>The “business friendly” party has demonstrated over and over they aren’t very good at business. </p><p>For example: The partial privatisation of public assets returning rates higher than the cost of the debt they planned to retire with the sale cash. D’oh. That completely unnecessary and counter-productive process cost over $100m…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:01:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>daleaway</title>
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						<p>So this "business-savvy" government fell for a classic bait-and-switch?</p><p>Quelle surprise.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:03:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the Tax Evaders Onion's response</q></p><p><a href="http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=c86359d14575615d6ae8c2b60&amp;id=04bae1ddea" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Media release</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:46:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Hmmm, must be Christmas, time to dump the bad news, it’d seem.</q></p><p>See also: the release of a nine-month-old report into <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/262359/super-ministry-problems-&#039;inevitable&#039;" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">what a complete clusterfuck Steven Joyce's "super ministry" is</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:37:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						the same modeling that shows huge revenue spinoffs from hosting from sports and other types of events, govt surpluses and economic growth for the rest of time etc... ? The sort of research that is always reliant on leaps of faith &ndash; ie what was the convention norm at point…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:36:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						No surplus, Sky City asking "Please sir, can I have some more?" and Mike Sabin being investigated on assault allegations. Hmmm, must be Christmas, time to dump the bad news, it'd seem.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:16:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<q>NZ Herald Jun 28, 2013: The Auckland Council has voted not to support the $400 million national convention centre for pokies deal on the eve of the Government and SkyCity signing off the deal. In a conscience vote, the council voted 10-7 yesterday not to support “the Government’s proposal for…</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:15:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p>Joyce has handled this "unbelievably incompetently over the past few days" Hooten has just said on RNZ Nat.</p><p>"Absolute buffoonery, these people are muppets" &ndash; Hooten again.</p><p>Crikey.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:14:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Prostetnic Vogon Joyce &amp; Co sold us the premise that the taxpayer wouldn’t have to stump up a cent for the convention centre. He probably didn’t count on the possibility of a SkyCity shareholder revolt.</p><p>Now that the issue is ballooning out of his control, it seems he wants to pass…</p>
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						<p>There was some economic development modelling that supports it &ndash; but only in Ak. The Chch, Queenstown, Welli proposals just displace activity.</p><p>But imagine if govt co-invested in world-leading innovative infrastructure for digital gatherings instead..</p>
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						I'm not sure there was ever a good case put forward for a new convention centre in Auckland &ndash; everything else was entirely predictable, if only it wasn't so...
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						Lest we forget, Joyce is the negotiating genius who likewise muffed the UFB deal with Chorus in their favour. Though how big a part the PM's ofice played in either case is not clear.
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						Some sensible suggestions on Twitter that it could be a trade-off for an earlier CRL start..
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						The interview with Morrison above says the hotel is not included in the cost blowout &ndash; which he says is purely increased future construction costs. Who could know that a major rebuild of our second largest city might vacuum up construction capacity, raising prices?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Suggests the council might get involved to save his ass.</q></p><p>That really was outrageous.</p>
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						<p>From today's RNZ Morning Report, hear the SkyCity CEO doing his best Monty Burns impersonation (8 mins, <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20161957/sky-city-reveals-huge-cost-blow-out-to-convention-centre" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">listening options</a>). </p><p>Then hapless Minister Joyce trying to claim that he'd negotiated a fixed price when he clearly had not (6 mins, <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20161958/joyce-responds-to-blowout,-defends-his-ministry" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">options</a>). Suggests the council might get involved to save his ass.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:35:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Ross</title>
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						<p>I think we need to share this picture I linked ( <a href="http://www.tickld.com/x/american-management-explained-this-guy-nails-it" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.tickld.com/x/american-management-explained-this-guy-nails-it</a> ) some more<br />Shows we are just not quite there with leadership and governance on issues like this</p><p>As for Joyce hinting Council to step in?<br />How about we say no, Len flips the bird and we go…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:34:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Cameron Pitches</title>
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						Hear, hear. Can someone please explain the contract between the Govt and SkyCity, where the Govt ends up being liable for the increased scope of a five star hotel?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:34:00 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:34:00 +1300</pubDate>
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