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Sacha

Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:57:44 +1200

just when does it become a criminal case?

When he becomes poor or brown. Not before.

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:06:43 +1200

Tony Blair – The Godfather!
Closer economic ties...
Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair is godfather to one of Rupert Murdoch's children

and Jimmy-Boy looks like he'll be called back to Parliament to answer more questions. – just when does it become a criminal case?

Steve Barnes

Sat, 06 Aug 2011 17:47:18 +1200

Meanwhile, back on the ranch slider with a side of blubber...
The oily one is implicated
Questions also remained over why the SIS released the material (to Slater) with such urgency – four working days after receiving the request under the Official Information Act. Most requests are either rejected…

Hebe

Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:20:09 +1200

back when Robert Smith's
hairdresser was everywhere

Hair was easier then. You just put your finger in the light socket and went out. Or not.

recordari

Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:37:29 +1200

Robert Smith's
hairdresser was everywhere...

About when I saw them at the Galaxy/Powerstation. All smoke and shadowplay.

They didn't do a bad job of that Bangles hit either...
I do love a bit on anachronistic humour. That Chilton wasn't above his own covers though. And back to the snow we…

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:47:58 +1200

Although some say Big Star did a reasonable job of Kangaroo.
Splutter!
Somewhere there is a universe where *#1 Record was...
(Ok, ok, Kangaroo was on Third/Sister Lovers)

They didn't do a bad job of that Bangles hit either...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNKSs1J38EA&feature=related

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:28:19 +1200

Ta for that, I'd not seen it before
I always liked Just Like Honey & April Skies
and that period JAMC – back when Robert Smith's
hairdresser was everywhere...

Hebe

Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:54:52 +1200

@Ian Dalziel: One of my all-time favourites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdAcS4c0-Qk

recordari

Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:49:14 +1200

(I gotta say This Mortal Coil’s versions
always sends shivers down my spine…)

Yes, and since you brought it up, Jeff Buckley did a pretty awesome version of Kangaroo too. The This Mortal Coil connection is how he met Liz Fraser, AFAIK, where they made the formally infamous song __[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUgGNUEpCG0|All…

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:22:38 +1200

Songs for who? Manatee!
Hebe, while you're looking, here's a 'taste'
from The Monkees TV show...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMTEtDBHGY4

(I gotta say This Mortal Coil's versions
always sends shivers down my spine...)

Hebe

Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:33:32 +1200

Tim Buckley! The in-head jukebox is on. Now I have to find Greetings from LA among the earthquake carnage.

Sacha

Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:36:28 +1200

with a history of mental instability

You don't need to do that.

Sacha

Tue, 26 Jul 2011 00:33:50 +1200

although his death was accidental

Walking into a river fully clothed is accidental?

recordari

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:21:45 +1200

Tim Buckley being a great example – but he’s in the 28 club!

And his son was 30, although his death was accidental, it was no less tragic. Gone but not forgotten, as I suspect will be the case with Amy Winehouse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO0svGjVEP8

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:35:13 +1200

Goodbye and Hello...
For what it's worth, junkies often OD after they've been clean on and off for a while rather than staying consistently wasted. That's because their tolerance goes with a bit of clean time, they relapse back into using the same amount and because their tolerance is gone,…

Islander

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:31:58 +1200

He does.
But rehab isnt for everyone, and it doesnt work for everyone.
Given her songs...it is just good that the songs are out there.
Even when they cost so much of her.

I'm also given to the adoration of the holy woodburner* – the power's been off a couple…

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:12:28 +1200

Murdoch's Media terrorism continues...
Never ones to let the facts get in the way, I note that some Fox TV hosts and the Sun were saying up to 24 hours afterwards that the Norway attacks were the work of al qaeda, surely this is a form of terrorism – using…

Hebe

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:44:28 +1200

Russell Brand on Amy Winehouse: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jul/24/russell-brand-amy-winehouse-woman

He says it good. My last post on that; back to the snow and the adoration of the woodburner.

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:36:09 +1200

Countless security experts queued up to tell me so.

Did they have Whale Oil?

So, Mr Slater, you're a right-wing gun nut with a history of mental instability....

Rich Lock

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:03:25 +1200

I dunno... there are a lot of heavy drug users in the music industry who come out of it reasonably intact. Look at Bowie or Elton or Fleetwood Mac or David Crosby. And those are just some of the ones we know about.

Yeah, but I reckon the ones we…

Russell Brown

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:11:36 +1200

What a traumatic event in every way for you and the sister.

And it was a show day! I had to rush back across the road, have a shower and go in and record Media7. That went fine, though. What I do recall is stepping out of the shower, picking…

Sofie Bribiesca

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:49:15 +1200

pointless rumination

None taken.
;)

I reckon,
Drugs,without the strict consistency of prescription legal ones, (but I guess that's debatable too) can be good for you one day, bad, the next.Quantity and or tolerance isn't necessarily the issue. Partaking is always a risk(buzz ?) because whenever you indulge, one should…

Hebe

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:43:13 +1200

Eeurk. Sorry for the prompt; smells really can remain in the nostrils for years awaiting reactivation. What a traumatic event in every way for you and the sister. Thing is with addicts and drunks is that their actions (or lack of actions in some cases) usually affect at least 10…

Danielle

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:00:02 +1200

pointless rumination

None taken.

Russell Brown

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:49:29 +1200

For what it's worth, junkies often OD after they've been clean on and off for a while rather than staying consistently wasted. That's because their tolerance goes with a bit of clean time, they relapse back into using the same amount and because their tolerance is gone, they OD.

That…

Hebe

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:30:43 +1200

Bipolar does not cause addiction; they are just two varieties of (mental) illnesses which can be concurrent problems. Some bipolars drink and drug a lot to self-medicate the bipolar symptoms, but they are not addicts. Other bipolar sufferers are addicts as well. As you note, that's a minefield for the…

DexterX

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:23:36 +1200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNnEReAd80w

To me this is more apt than the pointless rumination that goes on.

Danielle

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:39:00 +1200

Reckon.

giovanni tiso

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:29:56 +1200

I suppose even Keith Richards didn’t regularly take a combination of crack, heroin, ketamine, ecstasy and alcohol

The man is such a wuss.

Danielle

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:27:45 +1200

Also, crack.

Yeah, good point. I suppose even Keith Richards didn’t regularly take a combination of crack, heroin, ketamine, ecstasy and alcohol (aaaaaand now I have a QOTSA earworm, inevitably).

ETA:

rooted in her bipolar depression

Also a good point. I read somewhere recently that a lot of rehabs aren't…

Russell Brown

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:14:13 +1200

I honestly thought she would be like Keith Richards and go on forever. I spend a lot of time looking at him in wonderment, thinking ‘how is that guy still alive?’ But I suppose he remained pretty prolific even throughout the smack years, while Winehouse… wasn’t. It makes a difference.…

Danielle

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:03:39 +1200

Exception that proves the rule, innit?

Rich Lock

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:37:58 +1200

I spend a lot of time looking at him in wonderment, thinking 'how is that guy still alive?'

Exception that proves the rule, innit?

Keith Moon, Jimi Hendrix and about a billion others aren't rocking too hard on this mortal coil any more.

Danielle

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:30:47 +1200

if you don't want to change the habit, it will probably be your demise in the end

I honestly thought she would be like Keith Richards and go on forever. I spend a lot of time looking at him in wonderment, thinking 'how is that guy still alive?' But I…

Marcus Turner

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:16:55 +1200

(Late response, sorry). I've sometimes thought I'd like a hulusi...

Rich Lock

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:13:07 +1200

And the Michelle Malkins of this world are playing the No True Scotsman card with the Norway bombings, now that the far right extremist, ID’ed as Anders Breivik, has admitted to carrying them out

I only caught up with the Norway story on Saturday evening, and didn't immerse myself in…

DexterX

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:42:10 +1200

Amy Winehouse – she wrote great songs and had a deep voice that would have only got better with time.

It is sad – that is all it is.

Hebe

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:20:23 +1200

Bugger. I agree with every word Craig. And I was getting ready to get a good disliking up...Wish I could figure out why some get up and some break.

My favourite dead addict musician is Gram Parsons: "Drug Store Trucking Man", "Tonight the Bottle Let Me Down".

Hilary Stace

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:46:17 +1200

Iain Duncan Smith, former Tory Party leader and now minister of welfare cuts, interviewed this morning on RNZ. As a typical politician trying to divert the spotlight he finds another party to blame for the UK Murdoch melt-down: the police.

Kumara Republic

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:17:43 +1200

Quite — some people hit bottom and can get up (been there, done that, have all the merchandising)
Robert Downey Jr was down in the narco-addled dumps for a while, only to bounce back to form with Iron Man.

And Alice Cooper came close to drinking himself to death once…

Sofie Bribiesca

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:11:14 +1200

She had so much more to do than being a tabloid staple.

Thing is, like many a rock star gone before her and yet to go, if you don't want to change the habit, it will probably be your demise in the end, and as said above "matter of when,…

Craig Ranapia

Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:32:34 +1200

Quite — some people hit bottom and can get up (been there, done that, have all the merchandising) and others do the same and smash beyond repair. Poo-sticks. The infuriating thing about Winehouse is that she was a real talent who had the chops not to get stuck in the…

Hebe

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:55:36 +1200

I agree on both counts. I used to laugh then weep when she sang "I don't want to go to rehab, no no no". Of course she didn't want to. I had hoped her body would last out long enough for her to get clean. Too many of my friends…

Islander

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:45:57 +1200

The woman had huge talent – and huge addiction problems. At least, she left bloody good songs behind.
May all of us do that kind of least-

Kumara Republic

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:43:41 +1200

I’m guessing Amy Winehouse’s death will chew up many column centimetres in the UK papers as well…

Tragic, but not at all surprising. I always thought it was a matter of when, not if.

And the Michelle Malkins of this world are playing the No True Scotsman card with the…

Hebe

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:34:27 +1200

Yes, arch does not always translate well in print. I'm trying lose that habit too but sometimes my nasty mouth... Edit is a wonderful thing, don't you think?

giovanni tiso

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:21:53 +1200

You had me wondering there because of the jibe.

Hebe

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:16:09 +1200

I feel sorry for her. Having been down a similar route (without the money, fame and glamour part) and come back, I sure as hell wouldn't want to have been trying to clean up in public.

giovanni tiso

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 21:00:20 +1200

poor wee Amy Winebox

Really?

Hebe

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:40:27 +1200

Yeah, I know. The whole “Wendy Deng = Anna Nicole Smith if her brains were as large as tits + gold-digging homewrecker x scheming Dragon Lady” meme isn’t objectionable at all. My bad.
None of which I had any intention of implying. None of which I even remotely believe. As…

Sofie Bribiesca

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:58:30 +1200

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk

nzlemming

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 17:14:50 +1200

Ah, but they weren't Americans, so that doesn't matter to the American media.

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 16:00:13 +1200

There will be no mercy for Rupert in the US if they find a sniff of that.
I wonder what they'll do if they find he also helped sell Bush's lies to enable wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which arguably killed far more civilians than 9/11...

nzlemming

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:26:59 +1200

The real kicker will be if any similar activity is detected around 9/11

I think the FBI is already looking into that across the Atlantic. There will be no mercy for Rupert in the US if they find a sniff of that.

DexterX

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:48:36 +1200

She is no doubt still getting the MPs super – she makes me feel very ill.

Why one would need to appoint the head of the board of the China Construction Bank to the Cera Review Panel – particulalrly when that head is working for the communist party (of China)…

Steve Barnes

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:53:16 +1200

Jenny Shipley has several.
And she can Afford plenty more but I guess when you have a bit of dosh you need to be paid bucket-loads to even get out of the sack in the morning. I would of thought $500 a day would have been heaps for…

merc

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:19:05 +1200

There appears to be a very disturbing pattern emerging.

Sacha

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 13:00:17 +1200

The real kicker will be if any similar activity is detected around 9/11.

Rich Lock

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:55:49 +1200

Guardian is now reporting allegations that the police may have sold details of the 7/7 bombing victims to the tabloids.....

Sofie Bribiesca

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:12:07 +1200

I’m guessing Amy Winehouse’s death will chew up many column centimetres in the UK papers as well……it’ll be fish and chips off Rupert’s face next week and it’ll all be back to ‘normal’…

Well, she has knocked Murdoch off the front pages. way to go girl! Maybe if, she said…

Craig Ranapia

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:37:51 +1200

…it’ll be fish and chips off Rupert’s face next week and it’ll all be back to ‘normal’…

And I assume the rest of the British media will be taking the high ground, just as they've stopped running celebutard gossip, invasive trauma porn and pap-smear-arazzi photos of zero news value? To…

DexterX

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:12:27 +1200

And nothing against Mr Key, insert a couple of pipes and he'd make a great Hulusi

Jenny Shipley has several.

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 09:03:49 +1200

I'm guessing Amy Winehouse's death will chew up many column centimetres in the UK papers as well...
...it'll be fish and chips off Rupert's face next week and it'll all be back to 'normal'...
SNAFU...

chris

Sun, 24 Jul 2011 00:50:59 +1200

Thanks for that Stephen. That WSJ on Wendi was one helluva read given the subsequent Murdoch failure in China. Great Expectations indeed. This and this make exquisite sequels.

[[http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ge1nLtbSN2jK3sduz5j2NXvFbQPg?docId=CNG.987be94c4c3ccdfdf0d86cb5108c3d3b.cd1|"If it is an act of global terrorism, then I think that what it shows is no country, large or small, is…

nzlemming

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:31:05 +1200

So it seems. The Norwegian Police have said they're holding him under terrorist legislation but they're not saying much more at the moment. I'm staying away from CNN and Fox but even BBC is a little breathless.

Kumara Republic

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:12:20 +1200

Fucking hell. Just watching the Norway stuff on BBC World. 91 dead between Oslo and the island.

So far the guilty party is rumoured to be a far-right extremist, given the Norwegian Labour Party was likely directly targeted. And tin-foil hattery pinning all the blame on al-Qaeda rings as hollow…

nzlemming

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 20:03:35 +1200

Fucking hell. Just watching the Norway stuff on BBC World. 91 dead between Oslo and the island.

DexterX

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:40:22 +1200

It is Ok by me to mock Wendy Deng and the Murdoch family on any level whatsoever – Go hard.

This family in addition to threatening and buying officials, the police, politicians and a silence of sorts have acted so far above the rule of law it isn’t that much…

nzlemming

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:04:31 +1200

You forgot “Satan-worshipping"

Damn, I always forget that. I’d better go sacrifice a chicken to make sure He’s not angry.

edit: Wife says “What do you mean “he”?" but has now decided that Satan has stuffed up a lot lately and so clearly must be a man

nzlemming

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:03:35 +1200

Too fucking right I'm prejudiced against that kind of crap. The question is, Mark: Why aren't you?

You have no idea where my prejudices lie, but you were the first one one who mentioned "Anna Nicole Smith if her brains were as large as tits + gold-digging homewrecker x scheming…

Stephen Judd

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:47:39 +1200

Craig old bean: I don't think there's much of a double standard going on here. Wouldn't anyone characterise Rupert as ruthless? Or power hungry? I just searched Google for "Rupert Murdoch"+ruthless, and "Rupert Murdoch"+power-hungry and I got truckloads of results characterising him this way. I don't think it's unfair to…

Islander

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:46:11 +1200

Surely we call the cis- males et al out too?

As we recognise any bloody humanbeing who is, as being a power-hungry & driven person? And, as some of us do, think of them as what is wrong with the current human species.

Craig Ranapia

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:16:10 +1200

Actually, it is. Did you ever stop to question that your reception of what people write here might be coloured by your own prejudices?

I'm very prejudiced against people who think it's OK to talk smack about women as long as you don't like their politics, or what their husbands…

Lucy Stewart

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:00:07 +1200

Still, that’s an improvement over the usual “lefties are all pinko commie deviants, sucking on the teat of Mother Russia” stuff that often passes for right wing commentary in your part of the world.

You forgot "Satan-worshipping".

DexterX

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:21:10 +1200

You mean like his speech at the Labour's (new) economic dream conference.

Simple minds indeed. – "I promised you a miracle" – should be the theme song.

Here is the admission:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10676862

nzlemming

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:17:09 +1200

Notice that the man still thinks everything anyone on the Left has ever proposed is utterly and thoroughly wrong, it’s just that there’s a vague possibility we may be right about there being a problem

Still, that's an improvement over the usual "lefties are all pinko commie deviants, sucking on…

Geoff Lealand

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:47:47 +1200

A very good start, indeed. As I suggested on FB, this
article should be nailed to the forehead of every ACT Party member.

In other news, The Guardian picks the Unknown Mortal Orchestra as its Best Band of the Day no. 1060, and The Word has produced a podcast with…

Sacha

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:08:18 +1200

wouldn't it be great if this started happening in NZ too

Like Bernard Hickey's repentance?

snap

Kumara Republic

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:52:40 +1200

...let's hope.

Bernard Hickey, so far. And Gareth Morgan converted from Kyoto-scepticism to Kyoto-agnosticism upon publishing Poles Apart.

Lucy Stewart

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:50:25 +1200

A long time right-wing Telegraph journalist now questions his own ideological assumptions, and wouldn’t it be great if this started happening in NZ too.

Notice that the man still thinks everything anyone on the Left has ever proposed is utterly and thoroughly wrong, it's just that there's a vague possibility…

nzlemming

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 13:46:23 +1200

My bad

Actually, it is. Did you ever stop to question that your reception of what people write here might be coloured by your own prejudices?

merc

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 12:38:16 +1200

...let's hope.

Hilary Stace

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:52:56 +1200

A long time right-wing Telegraph journalist now questions his own ideological assumptions, and wouldn't it be great if this started happening in NZ too.

Hilary Stace

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 11:21:11 +1200

By the way great piece on the art of corporate political lobbying in NZ on the Nation just now (TV3). Even Matthew Hooten looked uncomfortable when challenged by the young investigative journalist. Hopefully, the overseas experience will now enable such exposure here.

Craig Ranapia

Sat, 23 Jul 2011 08:33:40 +1200

Dunno what’s patronising about noting that she’s very clever, utterly ruthless.

Yeah, I know. The whole “Wendy Deng = Anna Nicole Smith if her brains were as large as tits + gold-digging homewrecker x scheming Dragon Lady” meme isn’t objectionable at all. My bad.

Kumara Republic

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:35:32 +1200

With all that is going on this week, how bad is the Herald? The front page of the Wed’s paper sported a page 3 gurl.

Or should that be a not-so-mild-case of MWWS?

Stephen Judd

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:33:28 +1200

Clint, that's a reasonable hypothesis. My counter would be to re-ask the question how do you verify someone is SIS, and to point out that minor newpapers don't have the resources for fact-checking that bigger ones do. Stripped down as they are, I bet that the Herald, the SST, the…

Joe Wylie

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:18:03 +1200

. . . a media baron who is noted for his ambitions to create and continue a corporate dynasty.
Anyone remember his thwarted super shares scheme? Flashback to 1993:
[[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/murdoch-pressed-to-drop-super-shares-1505784.html|Mr Murdoch's scheme is aimed at securing long-term control of News Corp at a time when the company is poised to…

Clint Fern

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:57:31 +1200

As far as I know, there were four calls, but only one conversation, Key being too busy at the other times.

If thats the case then there is no issue. I hadn't heard this.

My other point re the leak, I'm not so sure about this. There aren't massive amounts…

Hebe

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:47:27 +1200

Dunno what's patronising about noting that she's very clever, utterly ruthless. Read the WSJ piece listed by Stephen Judd. An ideal match for Rupe. She's also a mother of children by a media baron who is noted for his ambitions to create and continue a corporate dynasty.

DexterX

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:50:19 +1200

Reading the title – the Scandal that keeps on giving – that could well be Brownlee and the appointments to CERA review panel.

Why one would need to appoint the head of the board of the China Construction Bank to the Cera Review Panel – particulalrly when that head is…

Islander

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:32:07 +1200

In other news – and this will affect southern voting, Whetu Tirakatene-Sullivan has died. Aue e te kui, nau mai piki mai ki to tini i te raki-

Islander

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:23:15 +1200

Pike Mine enquiry is being thoroughly covered in the South (and their non-safety record, as detailed by Whittall is *gross*-)

Treasury stuff – not so much, but – again – the Southern newspapers are very much up with the CERA state of play…)

Craig Ranapia

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:13:03 +1200

Hebe:

I don’t know what the fuck Wendi Deng did to you, but could you try making one reference to her that isn’t offensive and patronising?

Stephen Judd

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:02:46 +1200

My immediate thoughts are:

1) We don't even know that the person talking to Tulett is an SIS officer. How do you authenticate someone who claims to be SIS? I wish someone would ask Tulett this question.

2) Tulett's direct quote from the officer is "It all looks suspicious, but…

Clint Fern

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:16:06 +1200

A colourful chap, obviously, but you do seem to be over-egging the pudding.

I accept that using "liberated" was a misleading adjective. What I was meaning to address was Steve saying that the article debunked the whole thing. I would suggest that a USAR that contains an ex-Mossad agent (and…

Stephen Judd

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:44:23 +1200

He runs a private specialist S&R firm. If you're an Israeli trying to get an emergency team together, who else would you choose? And "liberated" makes it sound like he busted them out. But in fact, it seems that he just worked the local authorities in India. A colourful chap, obviously,…

Clint Fern

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:17:44 +1200

In today's Herald we have a Story debunking the whole thing, referring to the Israelis as USAR members and I do remember that Israel did send a team to assist in the aftermath, explaining the passports etc.

What the article neglects to mention is that the leader of the search…

Stephen Judd

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:23:39 +1200

A WSJ profile of Wendi from before they were a Murdoch property. Wow.

3410

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:12:44 +1200

Is it Friday yet?

Hebe

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:41:30 +1200

Screwed by Daddy and Wendi? What she really, really wants is control of News to go to her angels. Lachie, tick. James, tick. Then when Rupe dies, Wendi takes over as "Princess Regent"...It's beautiful, there are so many layers and so many years left of this story. Yesterday on Twitter…

Bart Janssen

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:26:52 +1200

I'm sure he just forgot about being shown the e-mail, you know that e-mail that made the 700000 pound payment necessary, it's the kind of e-mail that could slip anyones mind.

Daddy they're being mean to me ...

Russell Brown

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:19:19 +1200

So telling the truth is a “strategy” – how … quaint

The thing about that story is that — according to two of his former executives — it was a strategy he did not follow when appearing before the committee. He is screwed.

Bart Janssen

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:10:32 +1200

So telling the truth is a "strategy" – how ... quaint

James Murdoch told the committee that his advisers had urged him to adopt a strategy of telling the truth when he spoke to the committee.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/21/james-murdoch-select-committee-evidence

Rich Lock

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:54:56 +1200

does anyone else think Wendi set up the pie attack?

No, but seeing all that cream spraying everywhere did make me think it was a rather over-literal way to demostrate the, uh, climax of a schadenfreudegasm.

Ah, my coat. Thank you my good man, and here's your gratuity.

Hebe

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:32:09 +1200

I've come in so late on this thread, but does anyone else think Wendi set up the pie attack? That theory works on so many levels. I particularly enjoyed Rupert's "I'm just a forgetful old tyrant" schtick.

As for micro-managing, Rupe did, at random throughout the empire and just enough…

Rich Lock

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:16:24 +1200

not the devil, honest .....

It would explain this

[James Murdoch] is the son of Rupert Murdoch, which makes him the closest thing the media has to Damien from The Omen.

That's a fatuous comparison, obviously. Damien Thorn, offspring of Satan, was educated at Yale before inheriting a global business…

Steve Barnes

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:08:09 +1200

Nice to see we’re on the same side of a conspiracy theory for once :D

Indeed ;-)

the appointment of Shipley et al to the CERA board could have blown up too.
Yes and at inflated fees too.

Stephen Judd

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:52:53 +1200

Steve: the big stories that have been obliterated to my mind are the Pike River Mine enquiry and the Treasury Debt Office troughing. From a partisan Labour POV, of course there was the announcement of the new local procurement policy.

I too have my suspicions on this. Nice to see…

Steve Barnes

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:45:50 +1200

This is an aspect of the story that could do with some light shone on it.

I have suspicions about the story as a whole..
In today's Herald we have a Story debunking the whole thing, referring to the Israelis as USAR members and I do remember that Israel…

Stephen Judd

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:30:47 +1200

And more:

Last updated 05:00 24/02/2011
...
Shattered locals and tourists yesterday began boarding civilian and air force planes in their hundreds to leave Christchurch, while locals who had been away from the city headed home on flights carrying emergency personnel and equipment.

Stephen Judd

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:10:19 +1200

Rich: Yes. See entry for 5:28 AM. They may have been ordinary kids, but they were also tourists with no friends and family to stay with.

Simply googling "Christchurch refugee air force plane" yields a number of reports that suggest there is nothing odd here.

Rich of Observationz

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:05:06 +1200

And now, we find that the 'backpackers' left Christchurch at the first available opportunity on an Air Force 757.

Were the RNZAF offering compassionate flights to anyone wanting to get out of CHC after the quake? I don't remember that – Air NZ started doing $50 flights shortly after.

Seems…

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:04:26 +1200

Rupert the Bull...
this image is just so wonderful – not the devil, honest .....
... but do we know if the Murdoch family changed their name from Moloch early on?

Sacha

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:50:48 +1200

Spot-on satirical summary from our friends across the ditch (h/t Jack Yan).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDHehQ3NzeY

Russell Brown

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:42:46 +1200

Also, Matthew and I have to stop agreeing like this.

Ian Dalziel

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:37:32 +1200

Can you explain the so-called
Knee-Face Woman effect?
It's because she's, ahem, stacked...
thereby giving the illusion that her
nose is out of joint!

Russell Brown

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:33:51 +1200

But say the biggest story The Torygraph has broken in years was six-figure chequebook journalism? Do you think it's credible to say "yes, it was a legitimate story in the public interest" and still have serious ethical qualms about journalists and editors paying for stories?

Read the Heather Brooke column…

Matthew Littlewood

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:31:17 +1200

Sorry, Matthew, who’s playing the false equivalence now? Unless you’ve seen something I haven’t, The Telegraph has consistently refused to disclose its source and neither confirmed-nor-denied that money changed hands to obtain the information. Also fair to point out that The Met declined to investigate these allegations.

But say the…

BenWilson

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:31:16 +1200

Without tapping her skull, I'd say a fairly convincing human. Possibly wielding the power of three.

Russell Brown

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:30:16 +1200

But I still stand by my finding it deliciously ironic that Ed Milibrand’s chief spin doctor came straight from the Evil Empire.

Also ironic:. That unnamed friends of the Conservative Party hired a team of private detectives this year to dig into Baldwin's private life.

They basically went for a…

Craig Ranapia

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:21:30 +1200

Anyway, since it’s Friday some You Tube fun to round off what’s been a long, strange week (h/t DPF). I don’t know how you cede the moral high ground to a maggoty skid mark like Piers Morgan, but MP Louise Mensch pulled it off brilliantly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsJwM1DnLu4&feature=player_embedded

Wait a mo', yes…

Craig Ranapia

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:16:34 +1200

Russell:

I'll concede the factfail on my part (practising what I preach and all that); and of course it's bleeding obvious that Coulson is facing incredibly serious criminal charges and Baldwin isn't. (Though the high-profile resignations at the Met doesn't mean there's still not questions to answer about the *cough*…

3410

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:13:05 +1200

Can you explain the so-called Knee-Face Woman effect?

BenWilson

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:07:07 +1200

Yes, that is technically a succubus.

ETA: Which in turn probably makes Murdoch technically a Warlock, rather than a demon.

Paul Campbell

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:05:43 +1200

(is there a difference?)

3410

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:02:58 +1200

It makes you wonder if the first people that claimed to have seen a demon had in fact misidentified a human man with a somewhat taller lawyer standing immediately behind him.

BenWilson

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:56:29 +1200

LOL that's brilliant, goes in my collection next to the brilliant one of Kate and Will on the balcony, caught in a position that looks more than just a little bit rude.

3410

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:55:48 +1200

this image is just so wonderful – not the devil, honest .....

Can't find the clip (but did see it on ABC Australia News on Stratos) – it actually looks fairly plausible for at least ten seconds.

Paul Campbell

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:40:57 +1200

(how do I embed images here?)

this image is just so wonderful – not the devil, honest .....

Matthew Littlewood

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:15:13 +1200

And I’d also note a little irony about the phone-hacking that someone on Mediawatch last week pointed out: It’s hard to see any news-worthy information obtained that couldn’t have been uncovered legally by old school leg work.

But as the same person pointed out, that takes time, experience and a…

Matthew Littlewood

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:14:41 +1200

Diddums. Look, Ashcroft has alleged that The Times tired to hack his phone. (Which The Times and Baldwin have strenuously denied.) Frankly, you may think Ashcroft is a rich prick and you’d want a second opinion if he said fire was hot and water was wet. Fair enough.

But I…

Russell Brown

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:11:31 +1200

It’s actually quite insulting to Baldwin to somehow compare him to Coulson.

Craig Ranapia

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:39:04 +1200

And I'd also note a little irony about the phone-hacking that someone on Mediawatch last week pointed out: It's hard to see any news-worthy information obtained that couldn't have been uncovered legally by old school leg work.

But as the same person pointed out, that takes time, experience and a…

Craig Ranapia

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:06:35 +1200

It’s actually quite insulting to Baldwin to somehow compare him to Coulson.

Diddums. Look, Ashcroft has alleged that The Times tired to hack his phone. (Which The Times and Baldwin have strenuously denied.) Frankly, you may think Ashcroft is a rich prick and you'd want a second opinion if he…

Rich Lock

Fri, 22 Jul 2011 08:22:55 +1200

This isn't the future I'd thought it would be...

Oh we were brought up on the Space-Race,
Now they expect you to clean toilets.
When you've seen how big the world is,
How can you make do with this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zULEAMOcOP4

Sacha

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:46:05 +1200

the silencer of the lambs

bravo

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:26:11 +1200

Israel Dags...?
I can't see why spies would be flocking here....
You've heard of Reds under the beds, well the reason they're there is the flocking in the mattresses, mostly made from wool refuse, which NZ has in abundance – so spies come here for a reliable source, and a…

Sacha

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:20:11 +1200

This isn't the future I'd thought it would be

The Jetsons has a lot to answer for

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:13:39 +1200

final shuttle touches down
mission accomplished...
I still can't believe that they're not keeping one ready, just in case, hell give one to the Chinese in lieu of a trillion or two – they'll be the next big space power and the only ones who can afford it – Russia…

Sacha

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:09:48 +1200

There were?

Yep and yep. Mostly secret, naturally. Wouldn't want the peasants to catch on about what's being traded away in TPPA and so forth. Pharmac, who needs it?

Lilith __

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:05:41 +1200

There were? Huh.

ETA love the Potter clip thanks Rob!

Rob Stowell

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 22:00:44 +1200

Apologies if anyone has posted this already. Potter would have liked the last word :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnVrK38xI-A

Sacha

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:49:13 +1200

Major negotiations with senior US representatives going on there at the time.

Lilith __

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:34:33 +1200

There are other plausible reasons for foreign security interests in Christchurch at that time. If that’s what this was.

There are?! I mean I love Chch dearly, but I can't see why spies would be flocking here....

Sacha

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:32:25 +1200

Totally off-topic, but the final shuttle touches down in about 20 minutes – watch live at http://nasa.gov

Rich Lock

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:13:55 +1200

the other most notable being Blair doing the same out of desperation and cynicism- he didn't want to be another Kinnock

The bitter truth being that he didn't have to. That whopping majority in '97 wasn't just an accident. I don't think it can be overstated how deeply, heartily sick…

Islander

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:39:23 +1200

Goodness, I've missed so much by never having lived in Australia-

totally OTT irrelevcancy: I 've just invented something nice:

1 deep toast sandwichmaker
4 slices Burgen sandwichbread to your taste
As much garlic as you really enjoy
As many chunks of a good blue cheese as you like annnnd…

Joe Wylie

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:23:19 +1200

Love the sandsick splatter!
It certainly caught my attention back when it was up on the Sunday Star Times site. While I'd like to think that their (probable) school-leaver Photoshop jockey chose the pic for that reason, I suspect that they were strapped for time. And I'm always tickled by…

Islander

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:50:03 +1200

Love the sandsick splatter!

Kumara Republic

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:12:26 +1200

If there really was clandestine activity going on in the Garden City, then the earthquakes threw all the plans out of whack. Who needs spooks and hidden bugs when there's Mother Nature?

If it's all a concoction, then churnalism has well and truly taken hold. Jay Pryor, anybody?

Islander

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 19:04:20 +1200

Or, possibly uniformed people, wanting to track down other tentacles in such a drug-smuggling ring, are keeping quiet for that reason?

Either way, the story has a kind of explosive feel to it, and the noises coming from the Israeli Embassy – and newspapers in Israel – seem to indicate…

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:58:23 +1200

Yeah, and thinking about it, the last international flights out of AKL are about 2330. You’d need to nail it to make an early evening Nelson-Auckland or whatever to catch that. It’s possible, but not the sort of logistical (or financial) effort you’d expect from an ordinary backpacker.

[ I…

Sacha

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:26:48 +1200

It's only 5 hours drive to Nelson. less to Picton or Blenheim. Could get domestic flights from there.

But chauffered by the local consular head? And the claim seems to be direct flights from Chch – which I agree with Stephen needs some verifying. Brings back memories of the bin…

Stephen Judd

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:54:35 +1200

True. I actually know someone who drove to Dunedin immediately afterwards, to catch a flight from there. Hmmm, ok I retract that.

Bevan Shortridge

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:54:17 +1200

According to the Guardian, Queen's Roger Taylor is going to update his 1994 solo effort "Dear Mr Murdoch" [Edit: already updated it I gather, as below]:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pecFVzIfCNA

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:51:47 +1200

It's only 5 hours drive to Nelson. less to Picton or Blenheim. Could get domestic flights from there.

Stephen Judd

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:48:45 +1200

Just to prove that I'm not close minded about the SIS business, this is what tickles my radar.

See this timeline? Chch airport was closed to all non-emergency flights until 8AM the day after the quake. I would have thought you needed some serious juice to get three civilians out…

Joe Wylie

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:13:33 +1200

Maybe it’s because you never have to drive home, or even stumble very far.
And if you do happen to stray while pissed as a penguin, some kind soul might even offer you a lift.

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:57:29 +1200

et tu Brut...
But surely if they are dry valleys, they should be alcohol free.
No, I'm sure they must have 'desert wine'
at least...
:- )
But if ya wanna drink McMurdo is the wettest place
I was told that McMurdo has the highest per capita consumption of alcohol…

Geoff Lealand

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:23:52 +1200

But surely if they are dry valleys, they should be alcohol free. Drinkers hang out in the wet valleys of Antarctica?

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:58:04 +1200

Duty Gifts...
surely there's a tax on those?
Among the stranger gifts were a book titled "The Dry Valleys of Antarctica" given to John Whitehead by Antarctica of New Zealand,
I don't see what is so strange about that, it is a fascinating place, and I hear the Sauvignon Blanc…

Matthew Littlewood

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:36:21 +1200

Absolutely. When Thatcher resigned after the Poll Tax affair, Kinnock tabled plans to de-cartellise the press barons – especially with Murdoch in mind – and the Sun responded with both barrels in the form of the front-page splash, “If Kinnock wins today, will the last person to leave Britain please…

Kumara Republic

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:30:13 +1200

(the other most notable being Blair doing the same out of desperation and cynicism- he didn't want to be another Kinnock),

Absolutely. When Thatcher resigned after the Poll Tax affair, Kinnock tabled plans to de-cartellise the press barons – especially with Murdoch in mind – and the Sun responded with…

FletcherB

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:21:08 +1200

But unless I’ve missed something, there is a very frustrating lack of detail on this point.

Indeed, I nearly commented to that effect in my post...

That said... If the multiple passports is what first piqued the authorities interest... maybe we can infer that it wasn't something as hum-drum as…

Matthew Littlewood

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:20:54 +1200

In England? Well, since Ed Miliband has perfect confidence in his own ex-Murdoch spin thing ( The Times in Tom Baldwin’s case) plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

Y'know, I'm with you in the sense that both major parties have danced with the devil (so to speak) over…

Kumara Republic

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:38:53 +1200

Eek. 165 'gifts' for 24 people in 12 months! Shame the PDF is embedded in a flash doohickey.

But wait, there's more...

nzlemming

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:33:17 +1200

Eek. 165 'gifts' for 24 people in 12 months! Shame the PDF is embedded in a flash doohickey.

What's missing though is the value of each 'gift'. According to the State Services Commission:
Gifts or benefits can range from one-off offers of small gifts to ongoing discounts on goods and…

nzlemming

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:11:58 +1200

some people come by them naturally – my dual citizen kids have NZ and US ones and (like JK) could probably apply for Israeli ones if they wanted to

And there are places where it is still safer to not travel on an Israeli or US passport if you can…

Steve Barnes

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:18:39 +1200

So there is hope for a Labour win then...

Well yes, I, for one, am getting tired of those "Nattering nabobs of negativity", Otherwise known as the "Fat annoying bitter voting base!"
Social Justice shall prevail...

Kumara Republic

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:57:12 +1200

Back to cosy affairs between the state and vested interests, can someone tell me this isn't 'wining & dining'?

Stephen Judd

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:50:51 +1200

Absolutely. But unless I've missed something, there is a very frustrating lack of detail on this point.

FletcherB

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:46:55 +1200

Surely, if you happen to have dual citizenship, you may well have 2 (or more?) passports... but they'll all be in your name, with your details...

If you have multiple passports that carry your photograph, but have different names and birth places, etc.... that might be a sign you were…

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:42:43 +1200

It does strike me that rather than having NZSIS run around doing secret investigations, this sort of thing should be properly and openly investigated by the police.

Rather goes to indicate that having a secret service is a waste of money – the only miscreants they ever seem to come…

Sacha

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:08:46 +1200

a climate of recent admitted fraudulent passport use

Which seems to be skewing the coverage. There are other plausible reasons for foreign security interests in Christchurch at that time. If that's what this was.

Craig Ranapia

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:04:38 +1200

Can we just agree to leave the Jewish people out of it until it’s relevant?

At the moment, I'm inclined to suggest there's a great Media7/Mediawatch crossover in how conspiracy theorising can run a marathon before actual evidence is warmed up. :)

3410

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:42:00 +1200

Can we just agree to leave the Jewish people out of it until it's relevant?

We're talking about a climate of recent admitted fraudulent passport use in NZ, Australia, and the UK in the commission of assassination.

Stephen Judd

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:35:38 +1200

I don’t dismiss the article – like I said, sounds plausible – I just don’t want Irving’s site to get PAS’ link juice. His site seems to be basically collecting negative stories about Jews and Israel, including that copy/paste article from Moment.

Also, Irving being Irving, it wouldn't surprise me…

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:24:16 +1200

Your last link is to David Irving’s website though… yick.
I thought it was Moment Magazine
that is where the article is from originally,
I don't know if they have a connection to Irving,
feel free to shoot the horse the article rode in on, but don't dismiss the article…

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:21:18 +1200

Yeah, maybe they were doing something constructive. Sad if their having a criminal government impaired such good work.

Craig Ranapia

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:20:02 +1200

With all due respect, Paul, I think "the fundies" have more pressing issues with John Key than him being a tool of the Elders of Zion.

Paul Campbell

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:13:03 +1200

It's an interesting issue – on the left you have the anti-zionists and the right some fundies and the closet racists – I suspect that Key isn't particularly worried about losing the anti-zionist vote to the Greens – but if the fundies stay away it may be an issue for…

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:11:31 +1200

ripped from today’s headlines…
I sincerely hope half a dozen hacks are starting out on their potboilers at this very moment.
indeed, not so much “ya couldn’t write this stuff” as “it just writes itself”
– a manna-script even…
with the Israeli connection it’s all sorta
” Ruth* is stranger…

Craig Ranapia

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:09:13 +1200

last thing he wants is a “jewish PM won’t stand up to Israel (like Helen did)” meme to get out there in an election year

Honestly, Paul, I’d give folks outside the Kiwibog/Sub-Standard sewer a lot more credit. Yes, folks, I do believe that no matter how grim and desperate…

Stephen Judd

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:06:12 +1200

we don’t want the Mossad and their like to dilute the safety that being kiwis gives us

Neither do I. I was very angry when that happened in 2004 and I hope this wasn't a repeat. And thus far, there's no evidence that it was.

Stephen Judd

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:04:48 +1200

Ian, I think that's quite plausible. Your last link is to David Irving's website though... yick.

Paul Campbell

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 11:04:31 +1200

some people come by them naturally – my dual citizen kids have NZ and US ones and (like JK) could probably apply for Israeli ones if they wanted to

We travel on our NZ passports and hide the others except when entering the US – and we don't want the…

Russell Brown

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:59:36 +1200

Stephen, can you please link to the story and maybe quote a few highlights rather than paste the whole content here. It breaches copyright, for one thing.

Yes. Just deleted the copy-paste comment sorry stephen.

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:59:29 +1200

is there a methyl in this madness?
Espionage is not the only reason for multiple passports, In light of this article I wonder if other factors may be at play?
More info here
and another take here
...no accusations, but food for thought perhaps.

DCBCauchi

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:53:23 +1200

Israeli spies, US trade negotiators, the SAS, white supremacist gangs, Maori and eco radicals, and a big fuck off earthquake sending all their plots awry. I sincerely hope half a dozen hacks are starting out on their potboilers at this very moment.

Stephen Judd

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:52:42 +1200

he last thing he wants is a “jewish PM won’t stand up to Israel (like Helen did)” meme

Oy. The thought of just how bad that could get makes me churn up inside. OTOH, the opposition has very decently always avoided any insinuations based on his ethnic affiliations. If such…

Sacha

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:30:21 +1200

It's unsurprising that the SIS would be more sensitive with the US trade negotiators meeting in Christchurch at the time of the quake. One wonders if the accompanying US security presence may have had any comptetitive/cooperative impact on their keenness too.

Sacha

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:27:46 +1200

Enjoy

Brilliant

Paul Campbell

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:27:36 +1200

I suspect that this story worries the hell out of Key and his minders, the last thing he wants is a "jewish PM won't stand up to Israel (like Helen did)" meme to get out there in an election year

Sacha

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:27:18 +1200

Stephen, can you please link to the story and maybe quote a few highlights rather than paste the whole content here. It breaches copyright, for one thing.

Stephen Judd

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:08:26 +1200

dc_red: that's what Key does when he's caught flat footed and ignorant. I agree, his performance was untruthful, but I don't think he's concealing anything more than the fact that he had no idea what was going on.

Stephen Judd

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:07:14 +1200

stephen walker: you're about a day late, I'm afaid. Check out today's Stuff.

In the last 24 hours, nothing new has come out of Tuletts story and some things are already being walked back.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5317568/Yes-but-I-still-back-sources-on-Israelis

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5317453/Israeli-man-had-nothing-to-do-with-nobody

It looks to me like the SIS is chasing at rumours.

I hope people…

Craig Ranapia

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:02:49 +1200

It was a tortured, Bolger-esque performance, with grammatical errors in every sentence.

Me thinks he lies.

Oh, Red… So, “grammatical errors” maketh a liar? If that’s the case, I’ll see you (and pretty much everyone else around here) in Dante’s Malebolge looong before the Prime Minister. Pack you togs…

dc_red

Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:58:58 +1200

Key's first 'statement' was remarkably incoherent, even by his own low standards.

It was a tortured, Bolger-esque performance, with grammatical errors in every sentence.

Me thinks he lies.

Lilith __

Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:01:44 +1200

Oh brilliant, thanks Pete.