Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: The problems inherent in the system https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313669#post313669 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313669#post313669 Leave it out! Badwolf!
Better call the Doctor, the Prime Minister is looking tired.
tee hee....

]]> Thu, 22 May 2014 14:11:43 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313646#post313646 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313646#post313646 Omission Impossible:
...head in the sand……it will all go away……one day…some say… Hippy kai yay…
Noooo!!
Medic!!
They got Steve!
Noooo!!


Damn your PunkJewAsian,
What dotted eyes U have Grammar!
it's, it's a total ellipsis of the heart...

Leave it out! Badwolf!

]]> Thu, 22 May 2014 10:51:21 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313642#post313642 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313642#post313642 do dot your eyes cross your tees
Or cross your eyes and dope your tea.......all the same..........to one like me.
Shut your eyes and put your head in the sand......it will all go away......one day...some say... Hippy kai yay....

]]> Thu, 22 May 2014 10:22:37 +1200 Shulgin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313604#post313604 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313604#post313604 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9eQlTmydnE&feature=kp

Tycho – Awake


it's a funny thing...drugs as a health issue...I think capitalism is really bad for you all...anyway I am gett'n real sick of this middle class twaddle...so will vanish off...do dot your eyes cross your tees...elect some(one)...pay your over inflated mortgage...whatever..... and enjoy your police state

]]> Wed, 21 May 2014 22:06:59 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313590#post313590 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313590#post313590 Ben, I’ll be raising your points with Maia tomorrow.

Excellent!

]]> Wed, 21 May 2014 21:02:15 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313589#post313589 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313589#post313589 I’m puzzled by the way you’ve dismissed harm reduction, when it largely seems responsible for positive change.

Fair enough. I'm not being clear enough. I don't oppose harm reduction, per se. I just think it's only half of the picture, and that when you work on the wrong function, you…

]]> Wed, 21 May 2014 20:59:41 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313516#post313516 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313516#post313516 I certainly think that there’s a case for decriminalisation of cannabis, but I’m somewhat uneasy when the same argument is applied to P/crystal meth.

Decriminalisation is still an option even when you really don’t want a substance in the market. If it’s that dangerous and damaging, why re-victimise users?

The…

]]> Wed, 21 May 2014 14:03:52 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313513#post313513 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313513#post313513 No, they’re not. And I’m having it, aren’t I? Do you want me to stop? It seemed like just the place to be talking about this, but your call.

No, I don't want you to stop. I appreciate your point, but I'm puzzled by the way you've dismissed harm reduction,…

]]> Wed, 21 May 2014 13:52:17 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313511#post313511 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313511#post313511 FBI Director Says He's Having Trouble Recruiting Techies Because They're All Stoners ]]> Wed, 21 May 2014 13:48:59 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313508#post313508 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313508#post313508 Ben, I'll be raising your points with Maia tomorrow.

She wrote this last year:

What is the most dangerous activity you can engage in? If you guessed doing illegal drugs, you would be wrong. Extreme sports like big wave surfing, heli-skiing, cave diving, white-water rafting and mountain climbing all have…

]]> Wed, 21 May 2014 13:39:51 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313464#post313464 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313464#post313464 User works for me as it has no prejudice
Just remember folks:
Only Users Lose Drugs!

;- )

]]> Wed, 21 May 2014 10:27:57 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313458#post313458 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313458#post313458 Wed, 21 May 2014 09:18:54 +1200 Shulgin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313441#post313441 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313441#post313441 opps wrong subject

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b617/Etoyep/sweden_zps6d938715.jpg

Seems like D I MIlls…is fond of sweeeeden…from the les maxwell NBID report…new cannabis the cornerstone of illicit drug harm in new zeeland….they just print the blue cover of the book…. as the strategic assessment….. all you kiwi tax payers paid for…..IT………….. and continue to do…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 21:17:31 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313418#post313418 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313418#post313418 I’m over hearing about how awesomely progressive we can be via the slow incremental accumulation of reasons not to take drugs, culminating in the hardly surprising decision to ban the whole lot of them.

I was a bit over hearing from not the horses mouth or not the horses mouth…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 18:38:41 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313404#post313404 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313404#post313404 Because they’re not a public policy or public health issue.

The bulk of the population are not a public policy issue? Aside from them not being an “issue” at all, but people, they certainly are a very primary concern of public policy, and they damned well should be. If it…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 17:36:48 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313400#post313400 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313400#post313400 I don’t see how most on here can. How many users actually will admit to it and explain what is good about it

And how can they do it in a way that stacks up against cold facts and statistics about addiction, madness, self-destruction and death? We don't count good…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 17:22:53 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313397#post313397 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313397#post313397 Why can’t we treat cannabis (fixed it for you) the same way as tobacco? Hey, why not make it part of the tobacco license?

We should be able to just as anyone who uses drugs wants to give up should be able to seek some help. That was my point,…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 17:16:23 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313394#post313394 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313394#post313394 Portugese are not “free to enjoy themselves on drugs”.

They are considerably freer than I am.

You’re barking up the wrong tree if you expect public health agencies to do that part for you. The Ministry of Health doesn’t make table wine recommendations either.

That's exactly the opposite of what…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 16:51:25 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313384#post313384 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313384#post313384 “junkie” ... or did you use the term loosely for all types of drugs?

I will, quite willingly. I live downstairs from a woman who cannot function without cigarettes, in the sense that she recently left hospital early after a smoking-related treatment because they restricted her smoking and she couldn't…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 15:57:32 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313376#post313376 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313376#post313376 but not one that’s in people’s faces, if that’s what people object to.

I think that's one thing. Some people would be getting all hooha about it being Tax free (although I think we pay tax twice on many things and that's acceptable ). People don't like others getting something…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 14:42:15 +1200 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313375#post313375 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313375#post313375 For the same reason we don’t talk much about adults who purchase alcohol legally, consume the stuff in moderation, don’t drive drunk, commit crimes against others or their property under the influence, or end up with severe chronic alcohol-related health issues? Because they’re not a public policy or public health… ]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 14:10:31 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313366#post313366 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313366#post313366 I guess it's possible to have a model where it's legal to sell (some) drugs face-face on an informal basis but not to operate a storefront.

Which creates a highly unregulated market, but not one that's in people's faces, if that's what people object to.

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 13:08:54 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313365#post313365 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313365#post313365 A small fraction end up junkies. I don’t see why we have to dedicate all of the discussion to the junkies.

For the same reason we don't talk much about adults who purchase alcohol legally, consume the stuff in moderation, don't drive drunk, commit crimes against others or their property…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 12:59:18 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313364#post313364 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313364#post313364 A story by Maia from February:

A crack pipe vending machine for addicts sounds like the punch line of a bad joke—but the same kind of ridicule has been lobbed at many measures to fight drug addiction and related harm that have now proven to save lives. From needle exchange…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 11:58:09 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313363#post313363 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313363#post313363 Her personal experience as a former user of cocaine and heroin and

Ok, so some talk about it, but they are usually ex... ;)

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 10:51:22 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313361#post313361 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313361#post313361 I'm chairing a session with American journalist Maia Szalavitz in Wellington on Thursday.

Maia Szalavitz is an award winning journalist and author whose work has focussed on mental health issues, addictions, drug policy, neuroscience and the media’s portrayal of these issues. Her personal experience as a former user of cocaine…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 10:40:49 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313359#post313359 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313359#post313359 A small fraction end up junkies. I don’t see why we have to dedicate all of the discussion to the junkies.

I don’t see how most on here can. How many users actually will admit to it and explain what is good about it . One thing a “junkie” is…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 10:36:33 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313358#post313358 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313358#post313358 You’re even doing it in making your point about what’s good about what happened in Portugal. You talk about the harms that reduced. You don’t or can’t (and not through any fault of your own) point out that one of the biggest goods of that is that Portuguese drug takers… ]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 10:27:17 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313357#post313357 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313357#post313357 It wasn’t perfect by any measure, but it did make a difference.

Whereas the needle exchange was. It gave those with any concern about HepC a chance to not share needles with a very good exchange rate on used ones and free alcohol swabs etc that together encouraged safe use…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 10:18:26 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313356#post313356 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313356#post313356 Okay, let’s take your analogy and look at what actually happened, rather than the scenario you’re conjuring for the sake of argument.

I'm not conjuring the prohibition of homosexuality. That really happened. And it was almost always justified on the grounds of harm, at least at the end when it…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 10:07:18 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313355#post313355 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313355#post313355 And in very timely fashion, a really interesting, well-researched story on America's belated embrace of harm reduction has popped up in my Twitter timeline.

This is the second very good piece of writing I've read on Buzzfeed today, which slightly does my head in.

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 10:05:24 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313354#post313354 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313354#post313354 You didn’t have senior members of either the Fouth Labour or Fifith National Governments publicly musing on whether there was something to putting HIV positive people in quarantine camps. Which did matter.

Certainly. They also didn't ignore the problem like Reagan did as AIDS emerged as a national health crisis…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 09:57:10 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313353#post313353 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313353#post313353 Harm minimisation in response to AIDS was embraced by the gay community. Condom use was normalised and encouraged and remains the basis of AIDS prevention. People didn’t stop having sex.

Without engaging in a Pollyanna retcon of history (because being HIV+ has never been a cakewalk and never will be),…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 09:44:54 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313352#post313352 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313352#post313352 Just like homophobia. Laugh at the queens. It’s the exact same thing at work here. We could be having this argument about the dangers of anal sex, and AIDs, and how some kids might get turned into queers if it’s legal. Which all might even BE real dangers. But so… ]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 09:15:35 +1200 kalypso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313351#post313351 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313351#post313351 maybe we need to teach it in schools
I believe that many schools already are: http://www.rootsofempathy.org/en/new-zealand.html

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 09:06:45 +1200 WH https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313350#post313350 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313350#post313350 These stories have a "we had to destroy the village in order to save it" quality about them. It's hard to justify criminal convictions with the argument that you're trying to help people live better lives.

People hear the word 'de-criminalisation' and imagine some sort of libertine free-for-all, but there's…

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 09:04:39 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313349#post313349 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313349#post313349 Just desserts...
Why is cannabis less legal than Chardonnay?
That is the question
alas poor Hamlet
the 'grapes of wraith'
bear bitter fruit!

:- )

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 08:39:25 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313344#post313344 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313344#post313344 Brilliant, like toadally.
Anyone that can use the term "Anal Tearing" in a cannabis legislation argument gets my vote any time.

]]> Tue, 20 May 2014 00:22:23 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313337#post313337 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313337#post313337 No, there are lots of other answers to that.

“Try to avoid or minimise use of cannabis until at least the age of 18, thereby hugely reducing the risk of future psychosis,” is one.

“Use a bong or a vapouriser,” is another.

Yup, but they're small change compared to not…

]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 22:31:15 +1200 Kevin McCready https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313328#post313328 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313328#post313328 Mon, 19 May 2014 17:59:09 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313326#post313326 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313326#post313326 Why does Bob want people to die?
Family First?.
Bob, you are one sick puppy.

]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 17:17:55 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313325#post313325 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313325#post313325 All too often the extreme views such as McCoskrie's lack any evidence of empathy at all – maybe we need to teach it in schools.
Funny yo should mention that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g

]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 17:16:00 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313323#post313323 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313323#post313323 Russell the old joke about statistics and dam lies applies here
It would be nice if you put the different countries numbers per million
Because if they are as stated you do have a powerful argument for more liberal laws

I did! The figure quoted in the post itself is…

]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 16:33:22 +1200 Worik Stanton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313322#post313322 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313322#post313322 Mon, 19 May 2014 16:27:12 +1200 Kevin McCready https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313320#post313320 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313320#post313320 Mon, 19 May 2014 16:04:47 +1200 Raymond A Francis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313319#post313319 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313319#post313319 Russell the old joke about statistics and dam lies applies here
It would be nice if you put the different countries numbers per million
Because if they are as stated you do have a powerful argument for more liberal laws

]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 15:05:58 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313314#post313314 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313314#post313314 Nah. That’s the question whose only answer is “by making cannabis use as infrequent as possible”.

No, there are lots of other answers to that.

“Try to avoid or minimise use of cannabis until at least the age of 18, thereby hugely reducing the risk of future psychosis,” is one.…

]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 13:50:08 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313311#post313311 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313311#post313311 But let’s not pretend there are no harms from cannabis. The question is how they can be minimised.

Nah. That's the question whose only answer is "by making cannabis use as infrequent as possible". I think it's the totally wrong question and I'm not going to go into why any…

]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 13:40:18 +1200 Luke Williamson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313308#post313308 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313308#post313308 Mon, 19 May 2014 13:24:53 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313307#post313307 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313307#post313307 Why does Bob want people to die?

The answer to that almost certainly lies in his definition of "people". I suspect that what he really cares about is people-like-him and if those people suffer less harm from the "others" while a few more of the "others" die then that's a…

]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 13:20:46 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313300#post313300 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313300#post313300 EMCDDA briefing page on Sweden. ]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 13:02:54 +1200 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313290#post313290 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313290#post313290 Mon, 19 May 2014 12:16:27 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313289#post313289 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-problems-inherent-in-the-system/?p=313289#post313289 Discussion from blog post.

]]> Mon, 19 May 2014 12:16:27 +1200