Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: The price is that they get to watch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=232213#post232213 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=232213#post232213 reneedling the thread...
Sean Lock on Twitter (QI) From YouTube
...and it's priceless that we get to watch!

]]> Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:41:13 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=232181#post232181 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=232181#post232181 'Twitter is for people who can't shut up. Even in an empty room' – Sean Locke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WNyifi2CeQ

]]> Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:53:01 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=232151#post232151 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=232151#post232151 Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:54:52 +1300 L.J. Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231522#post231522 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231522#post231522 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 12:25:00 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231520#post231520 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231520#post231520 Occupy Facebook ]]> Sun, 09 Oct 2011 11:53:23 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231441#post231441 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231441#post231441 I think this column by the Australian philosopher
Took me to a Natalie Portman SNL rap, which is just f'ing brilliant.

]]> Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:08:47 +1300 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231423#post231423 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231423#post231423 Directly apropos comic on google tracking you from
toothpastefordinner

]]> Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:42:47 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231340#post231340 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231340#post231340 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 15:05:50 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231319#post231319 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231319#post231319 That's probably why I prefer downers over uppers.

Oh, just try mixing them up together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oRKvpZ7PjE

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:48:23 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231315#post231315 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231315#post231315 I feel like I should respond at length, but I'm at work.

Don't do it on my account. I'm also at work.

Which illustrates one of the two things I prefer about Twitter – it makes me spend more time thinking and less typing

That is one thing I need…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 13:10:51 +1300 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231310#post231310 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231310#post231310 He gave up on that a few weeks ago, after a slightly heated exchange where it turned out that he could DM his followers, but no-one could DM him back, I believe.

Actually I'd like to read a thesis on the experience he had as a one-sided tweeter.

But first…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:57:48 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231309#post231309 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231309#post231309 Just heard that Steve Jobs has died...
sad day

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:56:09 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231307#post231307 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231307#post231307 I’ll bet. Interestingly, on his blog, he claimed that he was going to only write one tweet per day, and follow no one. I can’t find where, but remember it quite distinctly, thinking it a very interesting experiment. I presumed it must have failed, when I found him following me.… ]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:50:04 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231305#post231305 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231305#post231305 It is a lesson in clarity of thought and brevity in language – exactly what many rambling, muddled boffins need. And everyone can use Twitter to sharpen their ideas.

Good note to himself, and myself.

The mandated economy is a pleasant challenge — I think it suits writers. It's friggin'…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:47:29 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231303#post231303 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231303#post231303 Interesting thoughts. I find increasingly the inter-textuality and meta-fictive devices can develop within a twitter stream beyond what might be expected of 140 characters.

Those little flurries within a day, or an hour, do make me happy. I love the live-ness of it.

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:43:44 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231302#post231302 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231302#post231302 I don't put much weight on an Aussie philosopher complaining about that.

I don't think he was complaining...just weighing up the pros and cons. He does say:

It is a lesson in clarity of thought and brevity in language – exactly what many rambling, muddled boffins need. And everyone can…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:42:16 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231296#post231296 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231296#post231296 I find increasingly the inter-textuality and meta-fictive devices can develop within a twitter stream beyond what might be expected of 140 characters.

One of the reasons it was making less and less sense to post my tweets to Facebook.

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:16:31 +1300 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231294#post231294 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231294#post231294 Twitter seems to be only milestones, the rest of the journey is an irrelevant blur, happening in another time or place. A Twitter thread is like hearing a summary of a party that you weren't at. You had to be there to really see why you all laughed so hard… ]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:04:11 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231292#post231292 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231292#post231292 who writes more than 8KB in a single blog comment?

Pretty much the opposite of Twitter, eh.

It's more of a wide-reaching human search engine than a place for complex philosophical insights. I don't put much weight on an Aussie philosopher complaining about that.

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:57:19 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231291#post231291 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231291#post231291 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:54:38 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231288#post231288 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231288#post231288 this column by the Australian philosopher (not a Python joke) Damon Young on first impression of Twitter is really very perceptive

Yes, this is gold:

Bad tweets are not criminal or immoral – they simply give red cordial to an antsy mind.

It's perfect tweet length too.

I actually like…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:42:53 +1300 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231285#post231285 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231285#post231285 Hmmm, 8KB should be enough, who writes more than 8KB in a single blog comment?"
Yeah, who would do that? ;-)

ETA:
According to The Wall Street Journal, there are 50 million regular twits.

Isn't it great how they can say that and no one even blinks. Except I did.…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:27:05 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231284#post231284 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231284#post231284 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:13:58 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231282#post231282 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231282#post231282 Heh. There is an actual character limit here, though, seriously? I’ve hit it several times. By design?

Ooh! Really? I did not even know.

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:10:51 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231281#post231281 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231281#post231281 this column by the Australian philosopher (not a Python joke) Damon Young on first impression of Twitter is really very perceptive and deserves the attention it’s getting this week. ]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:10:16 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231280#post231280 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231280#post231280 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:08:49 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231279#post231279 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231279#post231279 Thu, 06 Oct 2011 11:06:25 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231276#post231276 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231276#post231276 This from a software developer who specialises in machine learning and genetic algorithms. Not quite sure what to say to that.

A girl after my own heart. I'm no Twitter lover, and had pretty much the same specialization as her.

I guess if she's a fan, she's objecting to being…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 10:50:51 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231261#post231261 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231261#post231261 enter the SkyPad...
India launches Aakash tablet computer priced at $35

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 07:57:03 +1300 Zach Bagnall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231257#post231257 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231257#post231257 Existing Spotify subscribers don't have to link with Facebook.. yet. I've been a paid up subscriber for a year or so now. If they force me to link my account with Facebook (*), they're gone. That will make me sad and mad.

Some big companies who should (ie. do) know…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 01:22:39 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231252#post231252 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231252#post231252 ..and then there's this – search engine poisoning
– to contend with as well...
sigh, I might just go read a book.

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:38:24 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231251#post231251 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231251#post231251 Go ogle le go-go Lego o g...
Google can guess your home address, since that’s where your phone tends to be at night. I don’t mean that in theory some rogue Google employee could hack into your phone to find out where you sleep; I mean that Google, as a…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:30:33 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231232#post231232 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231232#post231232 It knows.

... all this is just the stuff that Google makes publicly searchable, or ‘universally accessible’. It’s only a small fraction of the information it actually possesses. I know that Google knows, because I’ve looked it up, that on 30 April 2011 at 4.33 p.m. I was at Willesden…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 17:36:53 +1300 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231198#post231198 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231198#post231198 maybe Facebook can recreate people from their online presence
and synaptic choices and processes – in fact how do we know anyone else is out there, really?

You've just nailed it. Mark Zuckerberg is actually Iain M. Banks and Facebook is just part of an elaborate plot detail for his…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:58:48 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231197#post231197 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231197#post231197 digital scrapbooking

Does anyone here use Pinterest? I have several friends who are already totally addicted.
I've got reservations about how pictures get taken out of their original context and away from their maker (and potentially in violation of copyright, although I don't know the finer points of how that…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:56:58 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231194#post231194 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231194#post231194 Phase book...
but LOTS of friends of mine who are far less technically adept than me use it constantly. It clearly fills an important role for people in letting them share thoughts, feelings, news and funny pictures.
It's just digital scrapbooking isn it?
and saves on postage writing to people...…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:47:18 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231192#post231192 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231192#post231192 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:42:56 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231185#post231185 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231185#post231185 This is what puzzles me. I basically find Facebook a somewhat confusing pain in the ass, but LOTS of friends of mine who are far less technically adept than me use it constantly. It clearly fills an important role for people in letting them share thoughts, feelings, news and funny… ]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:08:48 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231182#post231182 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231182#post231182 Top 10 NZ On Screen referrers after Google.

November 2010:

Facebook.com (5016)
wikipedia (1064)
scoop.co.nz (965)
stumbleupon (816)
twitter (643)
orcon (382)
spareroom (246)
vidohe (193)
doc.govt.nz (157)
thestandard.org.nz (137)

September 2011

Facebook (5913)
stuff (1490)
wikipedia (1190)
nzherald (1150)
twitter (920)
stumbleupon (682)
scoop (654)
lexpress.fr (644)
real.nzonscreen (523)…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:58:40 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231179#post231179 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231179#post231179 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:52:06 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231178#post231178 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231178#post231178 Female age 65+ who is interested in fishing, baseball, and formal wear, apparently. I won't be preparing for my new computer overlords any time soon.

Basically, Google thinks I am my father. Or possibly grandfather. Hard to tell.

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:49:43 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231176#post231176 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231176#post231176 I really hate Facebook but only because it is so totally user-unfriendly.

This is what puzzles me. I basically find Facebook a somewhat confusing pain in the ass, but LOTS of friends of mine who are far less technically adept than me use it constantly. It clearly fills an important…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:45:40 +1300 Pete Sime https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231170#post231170 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231170#post231170 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:15:05 +1300 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231167#post231167 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231167#post231167 passively opaque magic

For some reason I just found myself singing;

And you may ask yourself, "How do I work this?"
And you may ask yourself, "Where is that large automobile?"
And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful house"
And you may tell yourself, "This is not…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:07:42 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231166#post231166 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231166#post231166 FB’s always had odd notions about what its users want. Does it not occur to them to ask us?

From the few articles I've read on Zuckerberg, I'm going to say no. He seems to genuinely believe that the minutiae of life digitised to friends and possible service providers makes…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:58:13 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231136#post231136 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231136#post231136 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:28:07 +1300 Luke Williamson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231131#post231131 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231131#post231131 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:02:54 +1300 Andrew C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231130#post231130 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231130#post231130 Has always come down to business models. If you’re not explicitly paying for it, you *are* the product.

Sacha's quote in a nice cartoon form

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:00:10 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231121#post231121 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231121#post231121 kaffeeklatsch...
‘late at the museum’
Latté, surely?
Some kind of whirled cup event maybe?
Anyway, the late are usually in a mausoleum...
:- )

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 09:42:51 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231102#post231102 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231102#post231102 Seems a bit dodgy to me – I reckon it’s probably one of those Nigerian 419 scams.

Now you mention it, I do have a remarkable business opportunity for you.

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 09:08:42 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231100#post231100 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231100#post231100 At the moment, I seem to be being bombarded by ads for something called 'late at the museum'.

Seems a bit dodgy to me – I reckon it's probably one of those Nigerian 419 scams.

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 09:01:03 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231098#post231098 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231098#post231098 Clearly Google projects a much more trustworthy brand than Facebook.

I will not kill you.

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:50:13 +1300 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231091#post231091 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231091#post231091 What a bore! Landscaping? I have never searched for landscaping. Manscaping maybe.
Arts & Entertainment – Music & Audio – Rock Music
Arts & Entertainment – Music & Audio – Rock Music – Classic Rock & Oldies
Arts & Entertainment – Music & Audio – ... – Indie & Alternative Music
Arts & Entertainment – TV & Video – Online…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2011 07:32:22 +1300 Amy Gale https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231089#post231089 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231089#post231089 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 07:12:20 +1300 Lucy Telfar Barnard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231085#post231085 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231085#post231085 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 03:36:41 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231061#post231061 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231061#post231061 This too...

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]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:35:54 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231060#post231060 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231060#post231060 Faust Book Fiends

Ian, you are wonderful. Just so you know.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:16:01 +1300 Greg Dawson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231055#post231055 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231055#post231055 Does Apple similarly monitor usage of its closed ecosystem?

I'm sure they'll happily sue you if you ask :)

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:04:09 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231050#post231050 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231050#post231050 idle worship...
Having passively acquired 656 Facebook “friends”
I wouldn’t be totally relaxed about this.
You are just 10 off that number...
when they all become Faust Book Fiends...

pacts and sphincteral contracts...
If they have, or develop, a more sinister intent than just making money (if that is sinister…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:34:16 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231049#post231049 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231049#post231049 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:23:56 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231048#post231048 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231048#post231048 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:18:13 +1300 Martin Roberts https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231047#post231047 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231047#post231047 Also, go to http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/ to see how Google targets ads at you based on your browsing.

Mine included:

Autos & Vehicles – Bicycles & Accessories

Nice to see that Google classifies bicycles as vehicles.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:17:51 +1300 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231046#post231046 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231046#post231046 I clicked Stephen’s link, quite quickly found a search five years old and mildly embarrassing and thought about deleting the lot. And then I thought, actually, this data improves the quality of my searches …

Ok, so apparently I had to turn it on. Unintentionally, I might be doing this…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:15:26 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231045#post231045 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231045#post231045 Also, go to http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/ to see how Google targets ads at you based on your browsing.

See, now I'm even more mystified, because following that link shows me reference and language resource categories that are so vague I can see why I'd get ads in languages I've never studied let…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:13:34 +1300 Martin Roberts https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231044#post231044 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231044#post231044 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:12:14 +1300 Peter Graham https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231042#post231042 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231042#post231042 Google's explanation of search results.

If you have a Google account you can turn off Web History to get non-personalised searches. You used to be able to put &pws=0 in your search query to turn off personalisation when you weren't logged in but that seems to have been broken by recent…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 19:53:45 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231041#post231041 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231041#post231041 Yahoo News works a little differently

It’s guaranteed not to invade anyone’s privacy, because there’s nothing on any Yahoo site worth accessing. Unless you’re a connoisseur of popup ads for scareware and dating scams.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 19:37:34 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231040#post231040 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231040#post231040 You have to give explicit permission to a website to allow it to automatically post your Read articles to Facebook.
Developer Documentation

The articles worrying about people having their porn reading shown on Facebook are beat-ups. Don’t give the porn site that permission.

People give permission to all sorts of…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 19:29:49 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231039#post231039 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231039#post231039 How do you know? Perhaps it’s giving you an ever-narrower subset of results, tailored for optimal ad response.

Considering Google regularly serves me up ads in Hebrew or languages written in Arabic-based scripts – languages and scripts that I have never studied and do not read or write in -…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 19:28:10 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231038#post231038 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231038#post231038 this data improves the quality of my searches

How do you know? Perhaps it's giving you an ever-narrower subset of results, tailored for optimal ad response.

I think it would be interesting to try the same search from a range of cookie-free browsers with different IP numbers.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:58:20 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231037#post231037 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231037#post231037 And then I thought, actually, this data improves the quality of my searches …

Well, exactly. I can not for the life of my see how Facebook's data collection helps anybody other than Facebook and its clients. With Google we at least get something more than just ads. And as…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:49:50 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231036#post231036 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231036#post231036 just click the envelope DCBC-

I am happy to discuss opposing views, obviously from a writer's viewpoint...

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:43:29 +1300 Edward Sargisson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231035#post231035 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231035#post231035 You have to give explicit permission to a website to allow it to automatically post your Read articles to Facebook.
Developer Documentation

The articles worrying about people having their porn reading shown on Facebook are beat-ups. Don't give the porn site that permission.

However, I'm not sure how many sites…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:35:12 +1300 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231034#post231034 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231034#post231034 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:13:47 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231033#post231033 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231033#post231033 And I’m with Russel in that Google may be just as evil (and Google is evil), but at least it provides useful and (mostly) good quality services. And last I checked, it doesn’t go broadcasting your searches or reads or watches to all and sundry.

I clicked Stephen's link, quite…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:07:08 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231032#post231032 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231032#post231032 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:58:01 +1300 DCBCauchi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231030#post231030 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231030#post231030 I’ve never belonged to FB or any other social net…my problem initially was lack of copyright protection but then I thought – copyright on *everything* posted? No way!

I would very much like to have a discussion about copyright with you. There are many aspects to explore, most of which…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:47:12 +1300 Islander https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231028#post231028 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231028#post231028 I've never belonged to FB or any other social net...my problem initially was lack of copyright protection but then I thought – copyright on *everything* posted? No way!
I find email, and this community-blog site, keeps me in touch just fine (altho' I can, especially after the Chchch quakes, understand…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:41:17 +1300 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231027#post231027 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231027#post231027 Here.

As for your Facebook data, there is no reason to think they don’t collect a lot more than what you get in that download.

I was being a bit sarky. I have read a lot about Facebook security over the past few weeks, and do realise Google keeps all…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:26:28 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231026#post231026 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231026#post231026 the show Russell's doing tonight

brought to you by faster-than-light neutrinos

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:12:59 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231025#post231025 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231025#post231025 but Facebook also has the audacity to want to show it to your FRIENDS AND FAMILY OMG OMG OMG!!!1!!!eleven!!

Having passively acquired 656 Facebook "friends" I wouldn't be totally relaxed about this.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:59:07 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231024#post231024 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231024#post231024 How do I find out what I’ve been searching for?

Here.

As for your Facebook data, there is no reason to think they don't collect a lot more than what you get in that download. Indeed that's the whole point of the show Russell's doing tonight.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:54:38 +1300 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231023#post231023 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231023#post231023 The last updates did have this vaguely creepy feeling. But where is all this information they're supposed to have on me? How do I find out what I've been searching for? I can't even remember, so it might be handy to know.

Having said that, I clicked on 'Download a…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:48:27 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231022#post231022 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231022#post231022 Facebook also has the audacity to want to show it to your FRIENDS AND FAMILY OMG OMG OMG

Well, that's somewhat easier to control, honestly. The scenario I hate is that a malicious person, or a venal person paid by a malicious person, or a malign state agency, yadda yadda,…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:33:14 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231020#post231020 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231020#post231020 Facebook also has the audacity to want to show it to your FRIENDS AND FAMILY

Not just friends and family, though, is it? It's potentially quite a few people or organisations throughout your extended network, as I understand it.

You might not, for example, want a potential or existing employer…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:27:48 +1300 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231019#post231019 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231019#post231019 Cubrilovic is on a roll. He's found a patent that makes Facebook look like liars.

Patent story starts here, apparently:
http://www.seobythesea.com/2011/09/facebook-patent-application-target-ads/

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:08:03 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231018#post231018 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231018#post231018 surely they could try not to piss us all off?

They gamble that the "us" who is getting pissed off is a tiny set, only partially overlapping with the other, huge "us" who don't either understand or give a shit. So far, they've been mostly right.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:06:46 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231017#post231017 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231017#post231017 Community Zero? Before FB, I used CZ with a bunch of close friends who were widely separated geographically, so we’d all stay in touch. Each community was private. CZ started out with the basic package being free, and then they introduced charging for page impressions. We… ]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:02:14 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231016#post231016 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231016#post231016 Facebook also has the audacity to want to show it to your FRIENDS AND FAMILY OMG OMG OMG!!!1!!!eleven!!

:-)
FB’s always had odd notions about what its users want. Does it not occur to them to ask us?
I understand that the $1billion annual profit derived indirectly from 750 million…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:46:54 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231013#post231013 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231013#post231013 I think we need to bring the same critical attitude to Google. Between Google Analytics, Google Search and Gmail, they have amassed a pile of personal usage info that’s at least as intrusive and potentially damaging to users as Facebook. I loathe Facebook, but I’ve recently come to see that… ]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:34:50 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231011#post231011 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231011#post231011 I loathe Facebook, but I’ve recently come to see that they’re just a tiny bit more blatant, that’s all.

I suppose I just find Google's stuff more useful to me, and thus tolerate it a bit better.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:18:43 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231010#post231010 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231010#post231010 TBF some tech companies patent for the sake of patenting – it doesn’t mean that the patented feature is intended to be implemented. But I’m being generous here.

It should be noted that it's a patent for something Facebook told Australia's privacy commissioner was a "technical flaw".

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:17:46 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231009#post231009 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231009#post231009 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:17:22 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231006#post231006 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231006#post231006 Good lord I can't believe that FB has added MORE settings in there for privacy etc. I'm not sure I'm smart enough for all this; but thanks for the heads-up. Looks like using a second browser just for FB makes the cookie situation simpler. I can manage that.

I love…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:07:56 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231005#post231005 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231005#post231005 Wow. Cubrilovic is on a roll. He’s found a patent that makes Facebook look like liars.

TBF some tech companies patent for the sake of patenting – it doesn't mean that the patented feature is intended to be implemented. But I'm being generous here.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 15:00:29 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231004#post231004 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=231004#post231004 found a patent that makes Facebook look like liars. ]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:49:47 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230996#post230996 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230996#post230996 We are being interrogated by the CIA while someone fucked up on drugs fires automatic weapons in the background.

I had a dream like that last night. Next time I'll try the red cheese rather than the blue.

I'm not on FB, and every time I start thinking I should…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:23:51 +1300 AndrewLong https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230993#post230993 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230993#post230993 piece recently on metaphors used to describe Facebook such as "nation", "homeland", etc. It was in response to the music sharing service Spotify (not available here yet) now requiring all users to have a Facebook account to use the service. To help their reasoning, they… ]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:16:49 +1300 DCBCauchi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230988#post230988 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230988#post230988 I'm not sure that Google is much better. Did you know that, if two different people on two different computers search for the same terms on Google at the same time, they will get quite different results? Results that have been 'personalised' for them by a computer algorithm.

The war…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 14:00:45 +1300 Jonathan King https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230986#post230986 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230986#post230986 I closed my Facebook profile last week (and put in a “request” to have it deleted – they kindly give me two weeks before they’ll do it, in case I change my mind!).

I posted on my Tumblr my main reasons why:


__What’s on my mind?

What’s on my mind…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:48:06 +1300 Christopher Dempsey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230966#post230966 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230966#post230966 that Guardian app – called ’Timeline

those are two different things

Are they? God I 'm getting old. I will have to pay my nephews to explain it all to me.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:02:05 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230965#post230965 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230965#post230965 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:01:21 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230963#post230963 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230963#post230963 that Guardian app – called 'Timeline

those are two different things

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 12:59:50 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230959#post230959 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230959#post230959 Only accessing Facebook in "pr0n mode" (aka Private Browsing/Incognito Window) might be the way to go.

Functionality is emerging in browsers to have multiple profiles with their own set of cookies that don't move outside the sandbox. It would be feasible for a browser maker to provide this such that…

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 12:57:51 +1300 Christopher Dempsey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230949#post230949 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230949#post230949 Tue, 04 Oct 2011 12:42:57 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230948#post230948 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-price-is-that-they-get-to-watch/?p=230948#post230948 Discussion from blog post.

]]> Tue, 04 Oct 2011 12:42:57 +1300