Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: The perilous birth of the Psychoactive Substances Act https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310755#post310755 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310755#post310755 Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:24:38 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310751#post310751 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310751#post310751 Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:49:49 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310750#post310750 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310750#post310750 Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:47:27 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310748#post310748 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310748#post310748 I presume the labelling requirement still applies.
Probably full descriptive labelling is only for 'Food' and washing, ironing and country of origin...

Food standards labelling guide

there are regulations for medicines / drugs and therapeutic products
– requiring clinical tests before release
( google NZ drug labelling laws -…

]]> Sat, 19 Apr 2014 07:23:20 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310739#post310739 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310739#post310739 Quote from Wikipedia page. A lot more on Dept Health page re "Legal Highs" but mislaid my printout. NZ Poisons Centre Info does say, however (14.01.09):

"Products sold as 'herbal' cannabis substitutes such as "Spice," "Dream" or "Yucatan Fire" have been found to contain the chemical compound JWH-018, an ingredient…

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:03:56 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310738#post310738 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310738#post310738 More dangerous because it (and many of its analogues) affects the whole CB1 receptor ..not partial agonist like cannabis – therefore stronger and less predictable effects..is not THC remember!

"THC has been shown to inhibit GABA receptor neurotransmission in the brain via several pathways .. JWH-018 may cause intense anxiety,…

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:56:11 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310737#post310737 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310737#post310737 “Auckland – the city of suss ales”
And Mt Roskill, fer Gods sake.....
In the past, Mount Roskill was referred to as the Bible Belt of Auckland, as it contains the highest number of churches per capita in New Zealand.[citation needed]
Apparently we all have a cross to bear and…

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:47:37 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310735#post310735 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310735#post310735 And far more dangerous than THC – the principal active component of cannabis?
Then there is this – [[http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/world/9956521/Student-ignored-marijuana-cookie-warning| A Congolese exchange student who jumped to his death from a Colorado hotel balcony ate more than the recommended serving of a marijuana cookie, police reports show.
(He) consumed a little…

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:32:46 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310734#post310734 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310734#post310734 Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:06:51 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310733#post310733 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310733#post310733 What were these politicians thinking! They wuz thinking Votes from an ill informed populace.
I think maybe Peter Dunne is an under cover Gang member protecting his constituents for it is only them that will suffer under legal cannabis.
Where is Phil Stoner Twyford when you need him?.

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:02:01 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310732#post310732 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310732#post310732 Fri, 18 Apr 2014 14:50:35 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310731#post310731 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310731#post310731 Unfortunately i am in Auckland
I’ve heard of it...
their stuttery old slogan says it all
"Auckland – the city of suss ales"

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 14:41:13 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310730#post310730 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310730#post310730 naphthoylindole bludgers…
…they’re analgesics.
that may well explain the stomach problems and vomiting reported with over-use –

…apparently Aspirin (at least), and similar analgesics, are connected to stripping the intestine and stomach lining of mucus, they inhibit the enzymes responsible for prostaglandin synthesis, stopping the pain signal even starting, but…

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 14:38:02 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310729#post310729 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310729#post310729 Unfortunately i am in Auckland at this point in time. Up North I have 2 Kegs sitting in the cool pining for my return.
I just checked my power system on the web and I also have an abundance of electrons.
Meanwhile, in Auckland, a man wanders around resetting clocks…

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 14:17:17 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310728#post310728 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310728#post310728 @Steve Just remember all those happy brain endorphins generated popping down the road. Make sure the "synthetic shit" packet doesn't have toxic JWH-018 in it .. while noting this the Poisons Centre, set up by the Clinical Pharmacology Department at the Otago medical school, writes that

"Consumers should be aware…

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 14:07:40 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310727#post310727 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310727#post310727 Just popped down the road thinking what a perfect day for a spicy IPA or even a citrusy Pilsner.
But Jesus on a stick, what do I find? Liquor Store closed.
What in Gods name is going on here?
Are they forcing me to use synthetic shit?

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:46:27 +1200 Shulgin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310726#post310726 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310726#post310726 Good Article RB.

The larger concern here is the credibility of the public service to actually do things in reasoned way that the public should have confidence in…like review the outdated Misuse of Drugs Act and administer the new Psycho-Active Substances act.

For example, I can show how the NDIB…

]]> Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:31:39 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310678#post310678 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310678#post310678 And far more dangerous than THC – the principal active component of cannabis?

Really nothing to do with cannabis the plant that grows so well in clean and green NZ.

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:26:33 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310677#post310677 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310677#post310677 They note that “many of these substances are actually naphthoylindole (or other) derivatives rather than cannabis derivatives.”

Fair enough. They all have an affinity for the cannabis receptors in the brain, but “synthetic cannabinomimetics” is a more precise term than “synthetic cannabis”. Turns out all the JWH chemicals are in…

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:18:57 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310674#post310674 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310674#post310674 Ministry of Health website on Herbal Highs

"For cases where the documentation is acute intoxication, harmful use etc the diagnosis code to assign is F19 Mental and behavioural disorders due to multiple drug use and use of other psychoactive substances and the free text on the code description should include…

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:11:43 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310663#post310663 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310663#post310663 Well that’s interesting. And what happened then ..ie what service/feedback/action does the National Poisons Centre offer in response to such enquiries ?

Good question. I'm going to include that in some follow-up questions.

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:27:03 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310660#post310660 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310660#post310660 Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:12:01 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310658#post310658 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310658#post310658 Here's a graph showing that calls to the National Poisons Centre about synthetic cannabis spiked massively — to about two a day — after the Psychoactive Substances Act became law in July last year.

Why? Because the Act immediately required that a contact number for the National Poisons Centre be…

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:01:34 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310654#post310654 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310654#post310654 Oh look – my OIA data from the Ministry of Health has arrived. Or some of it, anyway.

Stay tuned.

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 12:27:19 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310651#post310651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310651#post310651 I’m sorry, but put that way,
it looks like Russian Roulette….

It’s a much quicker and more robust process than what happened before the Act and when the Act comes fully into force, they’ll all be banned, with the onus resting on the vendors to prove their products are low-risk.…

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 12:18:38 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310645#post310645 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310645#post310645 Thu, 17 Apr 2014 10:05:38 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310644#post310644 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310644#post310644 The full list of interim approvals is here. I think we can expect it to start shrinking rapidly in the face of adverse response reports.

I’m sorry, but put that way,
it looks like Russian Roulette….

I’ve often wondered what those lab test babies,
they used in nappy ads on…

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:47:09 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310643#post310643 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310643#post310643 Commercial law would still expect consumers not to be misled and I still suggest that this is the case with this "Legal High" industry.

Adverse response reports are not the "evidence" that the Act seems to require, in terms of the pharmaceutical industry standards. If atypical antidepressants were withdrawn because…

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:29:26 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310640#post310640 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310640#post310640 “Legal Highs” are more likely laboratory variants on P than “synthetic cannabis” unfortunately. Time and tests will tell.

No, they're really not. There were a couple of products that contained cathinones, but that was long before the Act came in.

They're agonists for the cannabinoid receptors in the brain. One,…

]]> Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:23:04 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310630#post310630 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310630#post310630 "Legal Highs" are more likely laboratory variants on P than "synthetic cannabis" unfortunately. Time and tests will tell.

PPPP = Private Profit Public Price ....

]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:00:23 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310626#post310626 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310626#post310626 PPPP
Our growing P problem...

]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 20:11:07 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310622#post310622 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310622#post310622 New Zealand innovates, yet again, with a new PPPP business structure....

the Political Public Private Partnership..

]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:41:09 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310617#post310617 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310617#post310617 They’re both adults whose respective jobs
partially involve this area of law.
I guess I'm a bit thick, but if Dunne Sr is cutting himself from information that I'd have thought he needs to have, from as many sources as possible (not just Health Dept input) and especially from the…

]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:57:44 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310616#post310616 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310616#post310616 I agree with Ian that the Dunne connection is just a little bit too cosy and old boy network. Are there certain topics prohibited around the family dinner table?

There's nothing "old boy network" about it.

James specialises in various forms of public policy and law reform and he's been…

]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:29:35 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310615#post310615 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310615#post310615 Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:25:57 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310614#post310614 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310614#post310614 @Ian ..The Hon Dunne also seems confused on STUFF about what constitutes the commercial product here ..

Problem with not knowing what's in these "psychoactive substances" before they're sold is the well known animal behaviour/trainer Frustration-Aggression Hypothesis .. there is obviously addiction involved – and those deprived of product if…

]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:47:48 +1200 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310612#post310612 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310612#post310612 Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:29:22 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310609#post310609 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310609#post310609 Everyone familiar with the sector has known
for years that James is Peter Dunne’s son...
Well that's all right then, I'll let public opinion
make of it what it will, and move on...

]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 15:22:21 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310601#post310601 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310601#post310601 Most surprised to see on the telly tonight* that a lawyer / spokesman for the legal highs industry, is Peter Dunne’s son, (who works for Chen Palmer) – of course they are all independent adults, but I’d have thought he’d have front footed that earlier, to avoid the muttering that… ]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:29:20 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310599#post310599 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310599#post310599 surely this is ingest...
After listening to Peter Dunne with the very affable Sean Plunket, the thing that gets me is that Dunne senior seems to have hamstrung his own ability to view all facts presented, if he has deliberately chosen not to talk to, or take submissions from, any…

]]> Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:16:20 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310545#post310545 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310545#post310545 I’m OK, Ohariu, how are you?
Hmmm – which thread – lawyers / drugs / science?
– hard to know

Most surprised to see on the telly tonight* that a lawyer / spokesman for the legal highs industry, is Peter Dunne’s son, (who works for Chen Palmer) – of course…

]]> Tue, 15 Apr 2014 19:46:48 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310505#post310505 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310505#post310505 Think I would prefer "sole" trader for my occupation, though. But nice one Ian! Had a look at the NZ Drug Foundation website. What a hoot.

Quote Tweet April 4

"Everyone take a deep breath. Once the regulations are fully in place, the #legalhigh law will be a powerful tool…

]]> Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:27:49 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310474#post310474 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310474#post310474 Bad day for the soul trader I say.
fixed that for ya...*

**(Contains intended humour,
reactions may vary)

]]> Tue, 15 Apr 2014 08:29:26 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310461#post310461 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310461#post310461 consuming psychotropic drugs in a social environment enhances effects

I can personally vouch for this.

they run around more and can get so overactive they die. Party drug effect?

In the case of MDMA, the primary cause of death is heatstroke, followed by water intoxication (both of which should be…

]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:24:59 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310455#post310455 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310455#post310455 Mon, 14 Apr 2014 21:36:27 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310453#post310453 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310453#post310453 Mon, 14 Apr 2014 21:24:41 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310445#post310445 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310445#post310445 And an unimpressive contribution from the NZ Drug Foundation on the STUFF site!

Why don't you look it up on their website? The NZ Drug Foundation is an internationally-respected, publicly-funded charitable organisation focused on reducing the harms from drug use.

Behavioural research of psychoactive drugs goes back quite a long…

]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2014 16:38:16 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310441#post310441 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310441#post310441 1946? Was it a case study on Hitler?
Kids, don't inject meth – it may lead you to attempt genocide, start a global war and kill 60 million people

]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2014 16:02:31 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310440#post310440 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310440#post310440 Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:55:53 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310433#post310433 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310433#post310433 I thought safety was the issue
not psychoactivity...?

and then there is this...
An invisible swath of middle-class New Zealanders are drinking heavily and indulging in drugs, a new survey has found

...who knew?
Doh!

]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:23:12 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310429#post310429 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310429#post310429 Well, The Listener has weighed in on the issue with an editorial that could hardly be more wrong or less logical.

Edit: Oops, snap!

]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:02:52 +1200 Ross Bell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310428#post310428 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310428#post310428 http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/editorial/editorial-unfortunate-experiment-ii/ ]]> Mon, 14 Apr 2014 14:52:58 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310386#post310386 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310386#post310386 Sun, 13 Apr 2014 15:29:59 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310384#post310384 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310384#post310384 legal sighs...
Duncan 'Donuttin' Garner thinks all councils should individually reinvent the wheel, irrespective of their ability to process technical information – look at the fluoride 'debate' and how unified councils are on that, not...
It is a nationwide governance issue, not something to be left to the piecemeal random…

]]> Sun, 13 Apr 2014 13:09:05 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310369#post310369 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310369#post310369 This week's New Zealand Listener has an interesting, though sometimes equivocal, editorial "Unfortunate experiment 11" worth serious consideration: to quote

"There is mounting evidence that these substances are causing tremendous physical and mental damage."

@Rob Stowell This is the way that the hospitals will "bring some data to the party"…

]]> Sat, 12 Apr 2014 20:26:02 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310298#post310298 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310298#post310298 Yes, sorry Russell. You are doing a good job here. Re David Nutt (and Les King) article in Guardian ..a better comment by TerribleLyricist 14March 9.38am

"Here in the US, the drug-policy landscape is shifting decisively. It really feels like a sea change. Cannabis has never been so available, or…

]]> Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:10:37 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310226#post310226 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310226#post310226 Just do some reading – and not just the bits of articles that reinforce your existing prejudices.

That's a bit rich.

]]> Thu, 10 Apr 2014 16:53:13 +1200 Josh Petyt https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310221#post310221 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310221#post310221 Just do some reading – and not just the bits of articles that reinforce your existing prejudices.

If that’s your philosophy, and it’s an admirable one, I’ll assume that you haven’t read David Nutt’s Drugs Without the Hot Air. Please do. It is an excellent and easy to read examination…

]]> Thu, 10 Apr 2014 16:35:52 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310213#post310213 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310213#post310213 Thu, 10 Apr 2014 16:10:46 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310177#post310177 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310177#post310177 Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:23:24 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310126#post310126 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310126#post310126 covalence ambivalence...
I'm thinking this discussion may have to head over to the Feed masthead – addressing as it does, the fine NZ traditions of home 'bake and shake' at a molecular level...

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]]> Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:29:10 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310122#post310122 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310122#post310122 The Psychoactive Substances Act may be forward thinking legislation. Prohibition doesn’t work. Hopefully the Act will drive demand for ‘safer’ products and educate as it goes. But much like the official economy, it will only ever control part of the market.

Yeah, I think that's true and everyone knows it.…

]]> Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:14:55 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310121#post310121 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310121#post310121 There can be a socially-mediated placebo effect with ordinary garden strength cannabis (same with laughing, or yawning response) but I doubt whether you will see it with these “legal high” concoctions ..which are selected for their desired effect as per chemistryworld article I quote earlier.

The adverse reactions to the…

]]> Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:07:02 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310120#post310120 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310120#post310120 Robert Whitaker’s two books “Mad in America” and “Anatomy of an Epidemic” are instructive for anyone interested in how much research has gone into mainstream psychiatric drugs ..not a lot. The only useful test for the effects of these assorted “legal highs” will be hospital attendances, symptoms, deaths and disabilities,… ]]> Thu, 10 Apr 2014 08:56:45 +1200 Virginia Brooks https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310102#post310102 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310102#post310102 There is a thriving black market where old stock is being sold on. But new (illegal) product is also for sale in the NZ black market.
A key problem with many of the synthetics is they are made at mass volume to sell cheap. This is achieved by using inexpensive…

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 22:44:30 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310094#post310094 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310094#post310094 Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:51:34 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310093#post310093 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310093#post310093 Concluding sentences in "The Bitterest Pills" by psychiatrist academic Joanna Moncrieff palgrave macmillan 2013:

"The increasingly indiscriminate prescribing/_availability_ of these noxious substances represents a substantial public health problem waiting to happen. The vision of a population incapacitated by prolonged chemical toxicity may be be realised if we don't wake up…

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:44:51 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310089#post310089 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310089#post310089 ...the social and health costs
from The Press today
A 28-year-old Avonhead man has been granted a discharge without conviction after his first venture into using a type of synthetic cannabis led to him doing $5271 damage around the neighbourhood....
...She said at his sentencing today: "Unfortunately, you are like…

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:16:10 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310088#post310088 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310088#post310088 No-one is going to "research" these legal highs if they can't even do proper assessments of main stream drugs!

It's not an easy thing to do, right?

An antibiotic, you can measure primary outcomes in terms of the progression of the infection. With something like a hypertension drug, you measure…

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 19:59:39 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310085#post310085 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310085#post310085 Wed, 09 Apr 2014 19:23:17 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310081#post310081 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310081#post310081 The point is that “A large number of synthetic cannabinoids have been designated class B drugs” (UK) “As with all legal highs, it is unfortunately not clear for users” (that) “many brands vary enormously in the compounds they contain” ie they are not THC – the main active compound in… ]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 18:35:18 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310078#post310078 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310078#post310078 I'm guessing ‘synthetic heroin’ might be a mislabelling of opiods such as codeine,

Oxycontin/Oxycodone, I reckon. And as such, absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with legal high stores or the Psychoactive Substances Act.

In an ideal world, this kind of thing wouldn't make it to print. But it does.

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 18:25:38 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310065#post310065 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310065#post310065 I’m guessing ‘synthetic heroin’ might be

Methadone?

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:34:08 +1200 tatjna https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310056#post310056 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310056#post310056 Wed, 09 Apr 2014 15:46:46 +1200 James Dunne https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310050#post310050 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310050#post310050 Wed, 09 Apr 2014 15:07:10 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310047#post310047 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310047#post310047 As a post-grad psychopharmacologist I am appalled at the state of ignorance in New Zealand about psychoactive drugs and their dangers – and this includes anti-depressants, “mood” changers etc – all of which are poorly researched. No-one is going to “research” these legal highs if they can’t even do proper… ]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 14:56:27 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310034#post310034 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310034#post310034 Wed, 09 Apr 2014 14:08:06 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310031#post310031 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310031#post310031 The bill was introduced in February last year and reported back from select committee in June. Wiser heads than mine will have a view on whether that was long enough,

He said it was rushed as NAct left it to the last moment to introduce it.

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 13:46:25 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310008#post310008 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310008#post310008 Clause 71 of the Act, which makes personal possession of an unapproved substance an offence punishable by a $500 fine, on the grounds that "Making the possession of an un-approved substance an offence does nothing to advance the… ]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 11:59:18 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310007#post310007 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=310007#post310007 Everyone’s got to lift their game and remember elections come and go, bad policy arguments linger like a bad smell.

Hey! that was my response.Plus I did suggest she should get her facts straight. Actually, could you really imagine National organising a gang -bang in a brothel? ..Nope I cant.…

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 11:52:32 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309994#post309994 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309994#post309994 Wed, 09 Apr 2014 11:24:49 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309976#post309976 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309976#post309976 The other alternative is even more appalling and a wee bit sinister – because she’s just lied to people who, however misguided on this policy question they might be, deserve better.
So I asked the Associate Spokesperson for Health, Iain Lees Galloway,in Labour about this because I felt it easily…

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 10:17:57 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309972#post309972 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309972#post309972 there have been questions about whether or not manufacturers are including stimulants in the products, because of the number of presentations to ED where people are highly anxious, irritable, etc similar to stimulant presentations.

I think there have been some instances of cathinones being included in fake pot blends, but…

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 09:54:17 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309970#post309970 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309970#post309970 These products and others affect people differently. There is no blanket effect for humans because we are all different. Yes ,for some ,they stink and others seem to like and handle them. That is why evidence helps and hysteria doesn't .

THIS. You know the appropriate level of alcohol consumption…

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 09:39:20 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309968#post309968 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309968#post309968 There’s more coming, but for now here’s the Ministry of Health’s current Psychoactive Substances Fact Sheet:

Since the Psychoactive Substances Act came into effect on 18 July 2013

• Psychoactive products can no longer be sold in dairies, grocery stores, supermarkets, service stations and liquor outlets
• Licences are required…

]]> Wed, 09 Apr 2014 09:37:26 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309938#post309938 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309938#post309938 Suggest you read “‘Legal high’ production gathers pace” 4 June 2013 by Maria Burke in chemistryworld http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/06/europe-legal-high-report-production

these products are not as benign as comments here suggest.

The article concludes with a section titled ’New Zealand leads the way,” which explains the Psychoactive Substances Bill (as it was then). And…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 22:42:20 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309928#post309928 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309928#post309928 It’ll be nice to bring some data to the party.

Is that even legal? :)

There are, sadly, no plans to include a ban on the use of synthetic data. Although what is known is the subculture as the ‘success rush’ can be a euphoric experience, side effects can include…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 20:48:13 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309925#post309925 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309925#post309925 .these products are not as benign as comments here suggest.

These products and others affect people differently. There is no blanket effect for humans because we are all different. Yes ,for some ,they stink and others seem to like and handle them. That is why evidence helps and hysteria doesn't…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 20:38:53 +1200 Max Coyle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309922#post309922 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309922#post309922 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 19:56:33 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309921#post309921 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309921#post309921 mullein
Figwort!
Wasn't he in the LOTR/Flight of the Conchords?

or was it that 'Finn'-ish band – the Mullanes??

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 19:52:00 +1200 debunk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309915#post309915 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309915#post309915 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 19:14:56 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309914#post309914 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309914#post309914 Surely smoking wood can’t be good for humans – do the manufacturers have anything to say about that?

I don't know what they actually use, but people who like to smoke various powders have often said that the best thing to mix them into is mullein. I wonder if this…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 18:56:44 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309910#post309910 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309910#post309910 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 17:48:35 +1200 Rebecca Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309908#post309908 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309908#post309908 i'm pretty sure that smoking anything isn't that great for humans :)

that said, humans have been smoking and ingesting psychoactive substances for probably thousands of years, and it will continue apace, methinks.

i applaud Peter Dunne for what he's done with this legislation. I don't applaud him for much…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 17:46:59 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309903#post309903 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309903#post309903 Does Soper really not know that these things have been “sold in communities” for the past decade and this this legislation sharply curtails the ability for that to happen? And does she not realise her own party voted for the bill?

If the answer to both questions is "yes," then…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 16:47:30 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309898#post309898 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309898#post309898 Glad to see Jesse's offered help and still has friends ]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 16:09:12 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309895#post309895 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309895#post309895 It’ll be nice to bring some data to the party.
Is that even legal? :)

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 14:31:08 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309891#post309891 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309891#post309891 I've contacted Peter Dunne's office for detail on what he said this morning about acute presentations falling since the Act came into force. They seem happy to help, so hopefully I'll have that information before too long. I'll also contact CARM, who do the official adverse response reporting.

It'll be…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:50:43 +1200 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309887#post309887 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309887#post309887 If Bunnings were to implement a plan to build huge stores in more centres I'm sure the general outrage felt by so many (it seems) would move onto other things they don't want in their backyard

Or – and still we await a time when recreational drugs can be discussed…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:42:39 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309885#post309885 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309885#post309885 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:32:54 +1200 Keir Leslie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309884#post309884 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309884#post309884 anything. I remain baffled by the Invercargill LEC’s decision to select her. ]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:26:51 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309883#post309883 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309883#post309883 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:18:28 +1200 Pete George https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309881#post309881 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309881#post309881 Does Soper really not know that these things have been “sold in communities” for the past decade and this this legislation sharply curtails the ability for that to happen?
And does she know that it had strong cross-party support (including Labour) and only John Banks voted against it in the…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:14:33 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309879#post309879 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309879#post309879 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:10:44 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309878#post309878 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309878#post309878 Hahaha snap. I’ve been watching this moral panic develop since 2010. It follows the same pattern that LSD and ecstasy, and before that cannabis, did. Post I made this morning about it:

tatjna.livejournal.com/966042.html

Yikes. Some of the quotes in those stories are pretty bizarre. “Synthetic heroin”? What shops exactly are…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:09:42 +1200 Pete George https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309877#post309877 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309877#post309877 A TOUGHLOVE media release on dealing with teens and legal highs:

Don’t stand idly by whilst legal highs ruin teenage lives

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:02:26 +1200 david westcot https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309873#post309873 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309873#post309873 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 12:41:31 +1200 Pete George https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309872#post309872 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309872#post309872 Whale Oil has just posted: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/04/colorados-predicted-crime-wave-legalisation/

I commented there and the same applies here:

But there seems to be no political will to address it apart from the ALCP. The Greens seen lukewarm at best, it doesn't fit with their marketing strategy. Cunliffe says Labour won't decriminalise. No sign of…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 12:39:21 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309866#post309866 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309866#post309866 If councils are so worried about it, why don't they open their own outlet to sell it responsibly...
It'd be great if they put their money where their mouth is, it should definitely make them see the gaps in their thinking around the duty of care...

Or even run it…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 12:00:34 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309862#post309862 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309862#post309862 threadjerk...
...a sewing machine repair business...
Perfect for a Needle Exchange perhaps?

;- )

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 11:47:01 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309861#post309861 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309861#post309861 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 11:43:00 +1200 Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309859#post309859 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309859#post309859 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 11:24:13 +1200 tatjna https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309858#post309858 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309858#post309858 Hahaha snap. I’ve been watching this moral panic develop since 2010. It follows the same pattern that LSD and ecstasy, and before that cannabis, did. Post I made this morning about it:

tatjna.livejournal.com/966042.html

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 11:13:31 +1200 Will de Cleene https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309854#post309854 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309854#post309854 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:54:19 +1200 Worik Stanton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309851#post309851 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309851#post309851 Good work RB.

I am so tiered of the OTT reaction coming from all sorts of people who should know better.

It is ironic that it is Peter Dunn that is bringing sensible drug laws to NZ. If it does work out (and it is working well so far, despite…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:46:38 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309850#post309850 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309850#post309850 the agonist and the ecstasy...
Listening to Dunne on Nine to Noon this morning, I was depressed to hear him attempt to put the blame on local councils for not picking up the slack he has created...
He shows precious little responsibility!

Further to the Jesse Murray story, the Press…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:46:25 +1200 Pete George https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309849#post309849 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309849#post309849 There's not much sign of a will on the surface for trying to address the cannabis anomalies.

Greens have had medicinal use of cannabis in their members bill mix in the past but Russel Norman stated recently that cannabis won't be a priority for them this election.
But I doubt…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:44:52 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309848#post309848 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309848#post309848 Did you mean “without”?

Yes.

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:37:50 +1200 anth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309847#post309847 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309847#post309847 Most people use these products with significant problems
Did you mean "without"?

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:35:01 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309846#post309846 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309846#post309846 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:18:47 +1200 Pete George https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309844#post309844 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309844#post309844 I asked Peter Dunne some questions related to this recently.

1. You recently attended a United Nations Commission on Narcotic Drugs Meeting, Vienna, Austria and spoke about New Psychoactive Substances. What reaction did you get in Vienna about New Zealand's Psychoactive Substances Act?

The response was positive and interested. I…

]]> Tue, 08 Apr 2014 10:03:21 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309843#post309843 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-perilous-birth-of-the-psychoactive/?p=309843#post309843 Discussion from blog post.

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