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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh Tony, you're not going to give us facts are you? How intellectually arrogant of you...</p></blockquote><p>heh ;)</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Again, anecdotes aside,</p></blockquote><p>Oh Tony, you're not going to give us <strong>facts</strong> are you? How <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4553100.ece" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">intellectually arrogant</a> of you...</p>
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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Tony, this may be of interest to you..but then I'm guessing that you knew large parts of this already.</p></blockquote><p>Hey thanks Simon, I hadn't seen that. It's a good collection of refutations for some of the pro-drilling claims that we hear parroted more and more stridently lately.</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						Tony, <a href="http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2008/08/18/oil_myths/index.html?source=rss&amp;aim=/env/feature" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> may be of interest to you..but then I'm guessing that you knew large parts of this already.
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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						<p>James</p><blockquote><p>Massive development in Alaska, less than 16% unimpacted? Is that a joke? Have you ever been to Alaska? It is so huge its hard to describe. Do you include "impacted" as having been flown over by a plane at least once within the last 50 years.</p></blockquote><p>Again, anecdotes aside,…</p>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<p>DeepRed wrote :</p><blockquote><p>1 dead American ≈ 2 dead Europeans ≈ 5 dead Asians ≈ 50 dead Arabs ≈ 1000 dead Africans, and so forth.</p></blockquote><p>Stuff.co.nz world section today :</p><blockquote><p>Hundreds flee as Grand Canyon floods</p><p>Three die in NSW snowfields</p><p>Five dead in UK light aircraft collision</p><p>Baghdad suicide…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Steve Barnes:</p><blockquote><p>And you guys could cut your demand by that much by not being so gluttonous. Try walking down to the Crusty Burger store to get your Chicken fried steak burger with double cheese and fries instead of taking the Hummer. Compulsory liposuction could supply enough energy to run…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						Scheunemann pops up in  <a href="http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Bag's</a> image analysis 14 August.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote> And yes, 10% of US supply is very worthwhile.</blockquote>And you guys could cut your demand by that much by not being so gluttonous. Try walking down to the Crusty Burger store to get your Chicken fried steak burger with double cheese and fries instead of taking the Hummer. Compulsory liposuction…
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Tony,<br />So a 2000 acre development on a coastal plain is going to impact an area the size of South Carolina?  I mean, please.</p><p>Massive development in Alaska, less than 16% unimpacted?  Is that a joke?   Have you ever been to Alaska?  It is so huge its hard to describe.…</p>
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				<title>Susan Snowdon</title>
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						Russell, Jane Clifton says you're not a real journalist. Have you just been pretending? You certainly fooled me...
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:44:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>RB,<br />Good to see you are reading Stratfor.  I have subscribed to them for years (2002 I think) They are big picture thinkers who have a lot of good contacts in all manner of obscure places, so they are well worth reading.<br />Not saying I agree with everything they write,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:35:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Less than 10% of annual US oil consumption  as far as I can tell.</p></blockquote><p>Should be:</p><blockquote><p>Less than 10% of US oil consumption every year as far as I can tell.</p></blockquote><p>That is ANWR could provide 10% per annum of the US oil requirements.</p>
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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As for the environmental aspect, follow this link to get an idea of the BS spread about ANWAR</p></blockquote><p>Please. Nine photos do not an environmental study make. ANWR is a wildlife refuge. It's very purpose is to provide wilderness without development. It is not there to provide pretty photographs for…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Russia has been an empire for centuries. The last 15 years or so were not the new reality, but simply an aberration that would be rectified. And now it is being rectified.</p></blockquote><p>Sure but I don't think at any time soon you'll see the Russians roll into any of the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:46:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>The concluding paragraphs of the <a href="http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/russo_georgian_war_and_balance_power" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Stratfor briefing</a>:</p><blockquote><p>The Russians knew the United States would denounce their attack. This actually plays into Russian hands. The more vocal senior leaders are, the greater the contrast with their inaction, and the Russians wanted to drive home the idea that American guarantees are empty…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						Just to clarify James...if that is your position on the Ukraine...that the US should perhaps stop interfering as it's simply destabilising with mischief, then we agree.
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Poor darling, did I upset your delicate senses? How sad. Don't take life so seriosuly, its tedious.<br />BTW we are in agreement on the Ukraine. Very strange, but there it is.</p></blockquote><p>Don't talk such twaddle again James. Narrow cartoonish and quite racist barry obambi and vlads type comments do nobody…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As for the American love affair with the car, no it wont go away any time soon, and why the hell would it?</p></blockquote><p>I never said "car", I said "SUV". I understand that public transport isn't always an option (helloooo, I live in Auckland!). That doesn't mean my alternative needs…</p>
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				<title>Jan Farr</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But if you are upset about increasing oil consumption right now, get pissed off at the Chinese and Indians, not the Yanks.</p></blockquote><p>But on the other hand I can see why our getting pissed off with the Chinese and the Indians might seem a little illogical to them (and to…</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Simon,<br />Poor darling, did I upset your delicate senses?  How sad.  Don't take life so seriosuly, its tedious.<br />BTW we are in agreement on the Ukraine.  Very strange, but there it is.<br />I did not, nor has anyone of which I am aware suggested or implied Russian tanks will be…</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Tony,<br />I am for all energy options.  Conservation, ethanol, hybrids, electic vehicles and increased domestic production.<br />The US has more reserves than 20B barrels, a lot of the OCS hasn't had seismic done yet, so who knows how much is out there.  Due to the price elasticity of oil, the…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not that the demise of Chrysler, GM and Ford would be any great loss to the world.</p></blockquote><p>yes but any rush towards a new cold war is going to benefit these guys rather well. </p><p>Just borrow a few billion more from Japan and China and everyone in those Detroit boardrooms…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>According to  this site, the current US consumption is around 20 million barrels of oil per day. By my math that means that the total US oil reserves could only ever provide around 3 years worth of oil if fully exploited.</p><p>It seems to me that a more prudent policy…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Ignoring the folly of talking yourself into another cold war for no good reason of course.</p></blockquote><p>Lotsa good reasons</p><p>a) it's good for the military and their industry, especially as Iraq looks like it might have an enforced withdrawal date.<br />b) it keeps the populace frightened and supportive<br />c) it…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote>Surprising as it feels we appear to be in significant agreement. It certainly seems as if Georgia is the first of a number of Eastern European and Central Asian countries that are about to feel the reassertion of the Russia of old, reinvigorated under Vlad the Nasty. Not good at…</blockquote>
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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						<blockquote>One of the few ways to make that happen is for the US to start drilling for oil domestically on a significant basis. With the way things are shaping up in the US and in D.C right now that may well happen. Congress has to vote to reaffirm the ban…</blockquote>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And bang, before you know it, you are sitting in Sarajevo, on 28 June, 1914.</p></blockquote><p>Yes and the Russians certainly know this as well, preventing them and the USA from taking further action.</p><blockquote><p>I'm sorry Angus but that is completely nuts.</p></blockquote><p>Except the alternative seems to be sitting in Teplitz…</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Simon,<br />Surprising as it feels we appear to be in significant agreement.  It certainly seems as if Georgia is the first of a number of Eastern European and Central Asian countries that are about to feel the reassertion of the Russia of old, reinvigorated under Vlad the Nasty.  Not good…</p>
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				<title>paulalambert</title>
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						<p>Classic comment from an excellent article.</p><blockquote><p>Bush is a grownup kid who likes doing to humans what he did to frogs. He also almost certainly has extensive drug/alcohol based brain damage. Putin is a sophisticated, intelligent man with an excellent education who actually understood what he learned and who plays…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p>And the other question has to be, how far Bush / Obama / McCain is willing to go if this <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/13/is-the-ukraines-sevastopol-the-next-ossetian-war/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">story</a> has legs</p><blockquote><p>South Ossetia was first. But it may well not be last. If I were Ukraine, I'd let those ships back into Sevastopol, because odds are Russia is…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If you want to prevent a war supply defensive firepower to the weaker state and state alliances.</p></blockquote><p>And bang, before you know it, you are sitting in Sarajevo, on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Archduke_Franz_Ferdinand" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">28 June, 1914</a>. I'm sorry Angus but that is completely nuts. </p><p>A few stinger missiles are hardly going to prevent Russia…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...the Georgian government opted to start a war with an unannounced, unprovoked attack on a peacekeeping force.</p></blockquote><p>The fact that the weaker state is also the aggressor does not change the fact that it is the weaker state.  If you want to prevent a war supply defensive firepower to the…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Angus R:</p><blockquote><p>Or it can bleed, but not be close enough to secure air-conditioned hotel rooms or feature properly photogenic victims.</p></blockquote><p>A close relative of the Missing Pretty Girl Syndrome. Jon Stewart parodied the whole thing with a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Missing_white_woman_syndrome&amp;diff=202695433&amp;oldid=202509044#Parodies_of_MWWS" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">mathematical formula</a> in America: The Book.</p><p>I'm sure someone's done a formula of…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And by technically illiterate, I dont mean that in practice he can't read.</p></blockquote><p>That's functional illiteracy, so you were fine without the clarification :)</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Your evidence so far is that a Republican who worked for the Bush administration on a sub-committee to Wolfowitz, lobbied for Georgia and now works for the McCain campaign. And another Republican has offered a Republican perspective in his capacity as a Republican adviser to the McCain campaign.</p></blockquote><p>He was…</p>
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						<p>And by technically illiterate, I dont mean that in practice he can't read.<br />Ahem.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I am beginning to think that it would be possible to have a worse president than Dubya. McCain.</p></blockquote><p>The fact that he cannot use a computer at all puts Bush's 'Teh Google' gaffs in perspective.<br />Even Ted 'series of tubes' Stevens knows something about the internet.<br />Imagine the technology policy…</p>
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				<title>Peter Haynes</title>
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						I am beginning to think that it would be possible to have a worse president than Dubya. McCain.
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><em>It is a good idea to put these in the hands of the Georgians to reduce the viability of any Russian occupation.</em></p><p>Yeah, brilliant scheme. You don't think they might sell them on at all, e.g. to anybody who feels like shooting down airliners?</p>
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				<title>rodgerd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Arming the weak state of Georgia to prevent its invasion and forcible regime change by Russia</p></blockquote><p>You mean, "Arming the weak state of Georgia, which decided to break a 15-year peacekeeping deal in a contested region by shooting peacekeepers and civilians."  Unless you've got more reliable information than is appearing…</p>
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						<p>Anyone seen the video of Saakashvili being interviewed by CNN and then being spooked by the sound of planes overhead... At which point he sprints off to cover leaving his bodygaurds in his dust?<br />He may or may not have lost it but he is definately very scared.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7DpBZa9x5Q" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">video</a><br />And…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Here's another McCain foreign policy adviser, Max Boot, urging that the US start directly arming Georgia with new Stinger missiles so that, presumably, it can fulfill its destiny as the American proxy on Russia's border.</p></blockquote><p>The Stinger is anti-air, it is a defensive weapon system with short range.  It is…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The fact remains that travel out of Fiji is now extremely difficult for everyone who was involved in the coup. That is pressure.</p></blockquote><p>And by all accounts, it is <em>realy</em> pissing them off.</p><p>Still, couldn't Bainamarama chartered his own plane, or taken a boat, or something?  Niue is, after all,…</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						is the only bright light in this that the whole schmoozle hasn't been "falluja'ed" a la 2004?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Saakashvili now seems to have lost the plot a bit. It really seems <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/world/europe/14saakashvili.html?_r=1&amp;ref=world&amp;oref=slogin" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">he believed the West would rush to his aid if the Russians responded to last Thursday's attack</a>. And more:</p><blockquote><p>He made repeated references not only to the Soviet Union’s war in Afghanistan in the 1970s, but also to…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						As No Right Turn notes, <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2008/08/after-war-ethnic-cleansing.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">After the war, the ethnic cleansing</a>.
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That might just say nothing more than "if it don't bleed, it don't lead".</p></blockquote><p>Or it can bleed, but not be close enough to secure air-conditioned hotel rooms or feature properly photogenic victims.  </p><p>In the last decade 5.4 million have died of preventable (by African standards) ailments as a result…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The world is ... a Marvel Comic.....Barry Obambi</p></blockquote><p>Ahh...I wake up and see James is back</p><blockquote><p>Condi Rice has been very firmly in charge of US foreign policy these last four years and her actions, or inactions on many occasions, have hardly smacked of neocon impulses.</p></blockquote><p>Or competence for that…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Here's another McCain foreign policy adviser, Max Boot, <a href="http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/boot/20081" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">urging that the US start directly arming Georgia with new Stinger missiles</a> so that, presumably, it can fulfill its destiny as the American proxy on Russia's border.</p><p>Boot, rather notoriously, <a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002840" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">prescribes</a> the use of "American might to promote American ideals" anywhere in…</p>
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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I just found it rather ironic opening the Herald (which is supposedly the paper of record in these parts) and finding that lifting sanctions against a man who was at the center of a military coup in our own backyard wasn't actually considered particularly newsworthy.</p></blockquote><p>I'm slightly out of the…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						OK, my last was needlessly snarksome.  I'm sorry, I really wasn't trying to jack the thread &mdash; I just found it rather ironic opening the Herald (which is supposedly the paper of record in these parts) and finding that lifting sanctions against a man who was at the center of…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, you've managed to misdirect that one nicely Craig, although I'm with Tony in seriously struggling to see the equivalence. I can't really see your point.</p></blockquote><p>Guys, ignore it.  But I just find it rather ironic that the policy of our own government isn't worth a fraction of the energy…</p>
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				<title>JohnAmiria</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hard to [know] how a Kerry administration would have been much different in this regard (except handing Iraq to Al Qaeda and Iran’s Shia militias).</p></blockquote><p>Yes, of course. And the Handover Ceremony would have probably look something like this:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaCaPibdCCw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaCaPibdCCw</a></p>
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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, it depends on whether you think travel bans are credible or effective when they're not applied consistently, or are no more than cosmetic window dressing in the first place.</p></blockquote><p>I guess that I think that there is enough at stake that we shouldn't pick one strategy at the exclusion…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, it depends on whether you think travel bans are credible or effective when they're not applied consistently, or are no more than cosmetic window dressing in the first place.</p></blockquote><p>Well, you've managed to misdirect that one nicely Craig, although I'm with Tony in seriously struggling to see the equivalence.…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Tony,<br />So it is unclear to you whether the regimes of North Korea, Burma or Zimbabwe deserve to be overthrown or not? ...</p><p>Well, I guess that is moral relativism for you. An inability to see the blindingly obvious. A sad place to be.</p></blockquote><p>What a lot of nonsense, James.…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm looking for hypocrisy there, but I'm having trouble finding it. Perhaps I'm missing something?</p></blockquote><p>Well, it depends on whether you think travel bans are credible or effective when they're not applied consistently, or are no more than cosmetic window dressing in the first place.</p>
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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, I guess that is moral relativism for you. An inability to see the blindingly obvious. A sad place to be.</p></blockquote><p>Fuck your moral relativism. The world isn't black and white.</p><p>If you're gonna be the judge of who should get to stay in power and who shouldn't James, is…</p>
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						<p>Tony,<br />So it is unclear to you whether the regimes of North Korea, Burma or Zimbabwe deserve to be overthrown or not?  A regime that starved to death 2 1/2 million of its own citizens (10% of its entire population) is not deserving of being overthrown on humanitarian grounds?</p><p>You…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The "American kind of freedom" that I referred to James is the particularly American view that war is necessary to preserve freedom</p></blockquote><p>sorry, I should have said</p><blockquote><p>The "American kind of freedom" that I referred to James is the particularly American view that war is <strong>only acceptable</strong> to preserve freedom</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, Tony, heavens forfend we actually ask if our own Government's rhetoric is a comfortable fit with its actions. Please, resume normal service.</p></blockquote><p>I'm sorry Craig, forgive me if I seem dense, but I really don't get where you are going with this one.</p><p>So, as I see it, the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>As for the "American kind of freedom", what exactly does that mean? The freedom I enjoy in the US is pretty much the same as the freedom I enjoyed growing up in NZ and people enjoy in any country around the world typically described as "free".</p></blockquote><p>The "American kind of…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Actually, it gets worse. The WaPo has discovered that Scheunemann is still billing the Georgians, via his two-man company, even as he takes McCain's dollar for "advice". Astonishing, but by recent standards, sadly not surprising.</p></blockquote><p>Has anyone suggested in commentary anywhere that a major driver for US "encouragement" for the…</p>
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						<p>RB,<br />Apparently most South Ossetians have been issued Russian passports.  Part of Russia's long running annexation plan.</p><p>I don't get your obsession with Scheunemann, who appears to be a very minor bit part player at best.  Advises McCain, so what?  Apart from making a few statements on the subject as…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Thing I didn't know: most South Ossetians already carry Russian passports ...</p></blockquote><p>i seem to remember that many people from the former soviet republics do?</p><p>much like former british colonies i guess.</p><p>could be wrong on that one, but remember speaking with a latvian who was able to use both…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What? So Bainimarama is granted permission to pass through NZ on his way to Niue for the South Pacific Leaders' Forum, and this is in some way comparable to American imperialism by expansion as developed practically through the use of military force over the last 300 years?</p></blockquote><p>Well, Tony, heavens…</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Tony,</p><p>Scheunemann, neocon or not, is hardly driving the train is he?  He is an advisor to a presidential candidate who is odds on to lose right now.</p><p>As for the "American kind of freedom", what exactly does that mean?  The freedom I enjoy in the US is pretty much…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Ummm, James? First paragraph of the blog entry that this discussion is attached to:</p></blockquote><p>Actually, it gets worse. The WaPo has discovered that Scheunemann is <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/12/AR2008081202932_pf.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">still billing the Georgians</a>, via his two-man company, even as he takes McCain's dollar for "advice". Astonishing, but by recent standards, sadly not surprising.</p><p>Meanwhile,…</p>
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				<title>Tony Judd</title>
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						<p>Craig</p><blockquote><p>Well, Tony, am I the only person who thinks New Zealand's tough talk to folks who overthrow democratically elected governments much closer to home is looking a wee bit hollow right about now?</p></blockquote><p>What? So Bainimarama is granted permission to pass through NZ on his way to Niue for…</p>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'll pass over the two errors of grammar...</p></blockquote><p>Thanks Trevor for the grammar lesson. I'll always be grateful to you. But it's important to focus on the argument rather than trying to belittle an opponent. Note Russell's reply. Done in the spirit of healthy argument. What was your point anyway?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>that you mean the particularly American kind of freedom where it is the USA who invade a country and overthrow the government and not any body else?</p></blockquote><p>Well, Tony, am I the only person who thinks New Zealand's tough talk to folks who overthrow democratically elected governments much closer to…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>What has happened in Georgia is a balls up of spectacular proportions, but it is hard to see that it has much to do with neocons, for the reason that there are almost none in the administration anymore, and haven't been for a while.</p></blockquote><p>Ummm, James? First paragraph of the…</p>
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						<p>Funny, or rather sad, how these days the first response of many to anything bad that happens in the world is a reflexive "neocon, neocon, wah wah wah!!"</p><p>What has happened in Georgia is a balls up of spectacular proportions, but it is hard to see that it has much…</p>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd love to learn what guides these virtual flash mobs.</p></blockquote><p>In Russia, the internet browses you.</p>
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				<title>Terence W</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hush, Sam. Don't you know China is just misunderstood by big Western racists?</p><p>It's such a burden advancing these savages, especially when they don't know they need it.</p></blockquote><p>The funny thing is, of course, that this applies to both sides...</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Weirdly, over at The Hive, which normally doesn't get many comments there are lively discussions by people who seem to have a stake in all this. Even comments in what I assume to be Russian?</p></blockquote><p>The same thing happened to the first Crooked Timber thread on the conflict. All of…</p>
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				<title>Jan Farr</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Which gives us a rough estimate of how many people you need to squish to raise one to super-wealth. Which makes you wonder what Naional's backers think they'd get out of such policies, since only one of them wil get to be the oligarch...</p></blockquote><p>Or maybe one fifth of a…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>He seized the opportunity created by this catastrophe to impoverish 72 million Russians and create 17 new Russian billionaires.</p></blockquote><p>Which gives us a rough estimate of how many people you need to squish to raise one to super-wealth.  Which makes you wonder what Naional's backers think they'd get out of…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Including, famously, demanding that the barbarian upstart Victoria send them some tribute right quick when the first major English embassy showed up.</p></blockquote><p>I think you have your monarchs mixed up, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macartney_Embassy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Lord Macartney</a> answered to George III, if that's who you refer to. By Victoria's time China had reason to understand…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Aren't the Russians being neocons too in their own way? Seeking to achieve your desired economic / security situation by military bullying would be my definition of a neocon foreign policy.</p></blockquote><p>According to Naomi Klein in The Shock Doctrine, the Russian's were 'shocked' into neo-con economics when Yeltsin consulted Milton…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This Confucian enlightenment was so marvellously humanitarian that China generally only expected tribute payments rather than military surrender from its neighbours, except of course when obeisance wasn't forthcoming (cue numerous invasions of Vietnam and Korea over the centuries).</p></blockquote><p>Including, famously, demanding that the barbarian upstart Victoria send them some tribute…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And lets not forget, that while Iraq was a mistake originally, it hasn't turned out all that bad. The silence now from the left-wing media on Iraq says it all...</p></blockquote><p>Oh, some people are still keeping count. A quick scan of <a href="http://warnewstoday.blogspot.com/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Iraq Today</a> indicates nearly 50 people have been killed…</p>
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				<title>Trevor Nicholls</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And lets not forget, that while Iraq was a mistake originally, it hasn't turned out all that bad. The silence now from the left-wing media on Iraq says it all...</p></blockquote><p>I'll pass over the two errors of grammar...</p><blockquote><p>nothing much remains to criticise.</p></blockquote><p>...and focus on the two superfluous words.…</p>
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				<title>Mark Thomas</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And lets not forget, that while Iraq was a mistake originally, it hasn't turned out all that bad. The silence now from the left-wing media on Iraq says it all...nothing much remains to criticise.</p></blockquote><p>the ends hardly justify the means</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Although I think a genuine neoconservative has to really believe it's for foreigners' own good, not just cynically claim it.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, hence partly the problem why it is difficult to credit neoconservatism as a driving force within the Republican Party.  Most people are hard put to ascribe "genuine belief" and…</p>
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						Hush, Sam.  Don't you know China is just misunderstood by big Western racists?
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						<blockquote><p>The most recent historical parallel I can think of is the British Empire, which as we know only existed to bring englightenment and the benefits of civilisation to those who desperately needed it.</p></blockquote><p>Just in case everyone hasn't heard about China enough lately, the official imperial discourse out of Beijing…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>otherwise none of us would be here today</p></blockquote><p>Well, some of us would, some of us wouldn't.  There would likely still have been a European colonisation, most likely French, which could have been better or worse.  After all, the French didn't throw their colonies overboard with nary so much as…</p>
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						<p>Also, the main thing I'm starting to wonder about Georgia is if it's another Iraq-style fuckup in another sense &ndash; remember the claim that Iraq only invaded Kuwait after the US gave the wink?</p><p>And, additionally: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/13/georgia.russia2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Surrender or Else</a>.</p><p>I have to say, that while demanding Georgia "...abjure all use…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>Actually the British Empire did use its hyper-power status stamp out slavery, and in the end for whatever reason bequeathed democracy to what is now a billion Indians. Compare that to the bitterness of the French retreat from empire in Algiers and Indo-China. </p><p>Whilst no one for a minute would…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						rodger, angus: fer sure. Imperialism with a paint-job of idealism. Although I think a genuine neoconservative has to really believe it's for foreigners' own good, not just cynically claim it.
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						<blockquote><p>'At least Mussolini got the trains to run on time'</p></blockquote><p>Don't be hating on Mussolini.  He invaded Abyssinia to get rid of slavery.</p><p>Just like China in Tibet!</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The French Empire had much the same set of rationales,</p></blockquote><p>As did the Soviets spreading the joys of communism.</p>
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						</blockquote><p>The most recent historical parallel I can think of is the British Empire, which as we know only existed to bring englightenment and the benefits of civilisation to those who desperately needed it</p></blockquote><p>The French Empire had much the same set of rationales,</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Iraq hasn't turned out all that bad.</p></blockquote><p>We should file that one with 'At least Mussolini got the trains to run on time' and 'Hitler liked dogs'</p>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Yes, it's the overlay of moral superiority and the conviction that American interests are everybody's interests which distinguishes the neo-con. Nominally, at least, you are being invaded <em>for your own good</em>. Unless the Russians are making statements about bringing the benefits of Russian democracy (to scare-quote or not to scare-quote...)…
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Aren't the Russians being neocons too in their own way? Seeking to achieve your desired economic / security situation by military bullying would be my definition of a neocon foreign policy.</p></blockquote><p>I would have said more nationalist or national conservative than neo, but yeah.</p>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Aren't the Russians being neocons too in their own way? Seeking to achieve your desired economic / security situation by military bullying would be my definition of a neocon foreign policy.</p></blockquote><p>Not seeking to claim that military bullying isn't <em>part</em> of a neocon position, but any definition of neocon foreign…</p>
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						<p><i>There’s something oddly disturbing about those shots of a crowd of Georgian nationalists waving their flag.</i></p><p>I find it disturbing when nationalists wave flags anywhere.  Hell, I find it creepy when people have flags on their houses.</p>
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						Aren't the Russians being neocons too in their own way? Seeking to achieve your desired economic / security situation by military bullying would be my definition of a neocon foreign policy.
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						<p><em>Try that in most of Europe and see what happens..</em></p><p>The fans mingle at rugby games in Europe as well. At least, they do at Twickenham. It's only soccer where the girly goings on on the field force the spectators to overcompensate.</p>
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				<title>JohnAmiria</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Make that the Georgia flag sorry.</p></blockquote><p>Your wife will be asking who Georgina is when you get home.<br />:)</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>Maybe the Large Hadron Collider will suck up delusional types that think Iraq hasnt turned out all that bad.</p><p>I live in hope.</p>
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						Make that the Georgia flag sorry.
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						<p>Hey, its only a month until the Large Hadron Collider comes online.<br />Maybe the ensuing black hole will suck in all the worlds issues and leave us with nothing to talk about but baking and furniture.</p>
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						<p>No, because the Georgina flag is very similar to the English one.</p><p>And when you see it being waved around en masse by pationate nationalists it provokes an image...</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						Iraq hasn't turned out all that bad ...... that's positively Kafkaesque. Black is the new white. A hundred thousand civilians killed and millions made refugees. Gosh if that's not all that bad, i'd hate to live in your parallel universe, Andrew.
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Reminds me of English football hooligans.</p></blockquote><p>Presumably because they make big budget movies about the English ones? In reality the organised mass hooligan element has largely died out in English football culture and you're far more likely to find the proper stuff in Turkey, Italy or Eastern European countries like…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>"...And lets not forget, that while Iraq was a mistake originally, it hasn't turned out all that bad. The silence now from the left-wing media on Iraq says it all...nothing much remains to criticise..."</p><p>I think the silence from people in general is because they've run out of adjectives to…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This is a country where opposing supporters sit shoulder-to-shoulder in the stands &mdash; half of them have probably come to the match together. Try that in most of Europe and see what happens..</p></blockquote><p>Well, I'd suggest in most cases <em>nothing</em> happens &mdash; but that's not news worthy is it?  Neither…</p>
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And lets not forget, that while Iraq was a mistake originally, it hasn't turned out all that bad.</p></blockquote><p>Ummmm.... Okay.</p>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						<p>The neocons did probably overplay their hand in Georgia this week. But Russia hasn't come out of this as emboldened as we might think. Putin and Medvedev have shown their hand, but really, being a bully in their own backyard is different from extending their influence globally. </p><p>And lets not…</p>
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It was more an observation about the similarities in flags between two nations at the opposite extremities of Europe.</p></blockquote><p>The same could be said about most sport mad nations... South American countries come to mind.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh Jesus... do you think this is really the time to be getting too snidely bitchy about sport-based jingoism? You know &mdash; the country where it's time for a mass wrist-slitting when the All Black LOSE A FUCKING FOOTBALL MATCH?</p></blockquote><p>Oh, bollocks. If you think New Zealanders get unusually upset…</p>
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						<p>Calm down Craig.  It was more an observation about the similarities in flags between two nations at the opposite extremities of Europe.</p><br /><br /><p>And I’m far more bitchy about All Black fans over-reactions to World Cup defeats than that…</p>
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I've been fascinated by the suggestion that Russia has launched a internet attack on Georgian websites.</p></blockquote><p>It is the obvious new front for conflict in the 21st century. China is playing the game also.<br />A coutry could be severely hobbled by a web attack with communications and more importantly public…</p>
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						ahem... <em>an</em> internet attack.
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						<p>I've been fascinated by the suggestion that Russia has launched a internet attack on Georgian websites.  </p><p>Suggestions are that computers based in Russia have been overloading websites for Georgian government departments and the the main newspaper.  Estonia has sent over security experts as they believe Russia did the same thing…</p>
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh Jesus... do you think this is really the time to be getting too snidely bitchy about sport-based jingoism? You know &mdash; the country where it's time for a mass wrist-slitting when the All Black LOSE A FUCKING FOOTBALL MATCH?</p></blockquote><p>Touché</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There’s something oddly disturbing about those shots of a crowd of Georgian nationalists waving their flag.</p><p>Reminds me of English football hooligans.</p></blockquote><p>Oh Jesus... do you think this is really the time to be getting too snidely bitchy about sport-based jingoism? You know &mdash; the country where it's time for…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>well certainly in the decade after the wall came down, Russia was reeling in many ways, China was only just starting to find it's feet.</p></blockquote><p>Sure, but in retrospect America's economic and political dominance in the 90's seems so... inevitably transitory.</p><p>Maybe I just forget what it was like before…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>BREAKING NEWS: White powder found in PM's mail</p><p>The Kiwiblog right strike again...</p></blockquote><p>Mr Pot, let me introduce you to Miss Kettle.  You've got so much in common...</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Was that ever true? Or merely wishful thinking, with the idea becoming widely entrenched via a certain level of media dominance.</p></blockquote><p>well certainly in the decade after the wall came down, Russia was reeling in many ways, China was only just starting to find it's feet.</p><p>But that article I…</p>
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						<p>"America: the last/only superpower"</p><p>Was that ever true? Or merely wishful thinking, with the idea becoming widely entrenched via a certain level of media dominance.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd say the Ottoman invasions helped prolong the "Christendom" attitude to some extent</p></blockquote><p>You would think that, in fact so did I, but not according to my history lectures. Could explain why I failed first year history. lol<br />They reckoned that the birth of the idea of Europe was a…</p>
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				<title>Jonathan</title>
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						I'm amazed that no mainstream TV or newspaper coverage has pointed out that Iraq, that other neocon disaster, is only 450km from Georgia &ndash; the same distance as Auckland to Wellington. Instead, every map of the region has Iraq and Iran cropped or blacked out as if they're not significant.…
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10526801" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">BREAKING NEWS: White powder found in PM's mail</a></p><p>The Kiwiblog right strike again...</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Russia, China, the US and the EU. Four quickly equalising pillars with different philosophies and politics.<br />A situation caused largely by America's foreign policy decisions.</p></blockquote><p>Don't forget India, either. They're not <em>quite</em> as militaristic as the others, but they'll get there. They have nukes, too, and having a nine-figure population…</p>
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						<p>Fantastic post, Russell.  I was looking for an analysis of this whole debacle that made some sort of sense.</p><blockquote><p>__Anyway, Russia is back, and it looks more like the Russia of the Tsars, with the sort of expansionist foreign policy that was constantly being checked by the British Empire, than…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>A situation caused largely by America's foreign policy decisions.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed and the litany of disastrous foreign policy missteps seem likely to be continued by any McCain administration, and, on current form, perhaps only slightly watered down by Obama as he reels from having to deal with the frankly cartoonishness of…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Here is a question: For the Baltic states, is membership of NATO in reality as worthless as the security guarantees offered to Czechoslovakia in 1938? Would the Germans, French or Spanish (let alone the United States) really militarily confront Russia if it intervened to protect Russian minorities in those places?…
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There’s something oddly disturbing about those shots of a crowd of Georgian nationalists waving their flag.</p><p>Reminds me of English football hooligans.</p></blockquote><p>The sort of stupid nationalism which started this thing is simply football hooliganism writ large.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Any situation where you start the shooting and then find yourself begging for a ceasefire within 48 hours is a major blunder.</p></blockquote><p>I think the latter part is redundant. Any situation where you start shooting is a blunder.  As the fat man said, jaw-jaw is always better than war-war.</p><blockquote><p>To…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What astounds me, 17 years after the wall came down was how quickly the much touted single hyper-power era came to a close.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah... Its a totally different layout from a few years ago. <br />Russia, China, the US and the EU. Four quickly equalising pillars with different philosophies and politics.…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The bear has definately escaped the cage. The question now is how hungry it is.</p></blockquote><p>What astounds me, 17 years after the wall came down was how quickly the much touted single hyper-power era came to a close.</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Anyway, Russia is back, and it looks more like the Russia of the Tsars, with the sort of expansionist foreign policy that was constantly being checked by the British Empire, than the fear-driven policy of the Soviets.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, agreed, and much emboldened by the US failures in Iraq and stalemate…</p>
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						The bear has definately escaped the cage. The question now is how hungry it is.
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As such it the analysis of the Belgravia Dispatch that the war is an isolated incidence entirely generated for the benefit of the Republican candidate John McCain by neoconservative conspritators?</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the background Angus, but I really didn't get that from The Belgravia Dispatch story at all. In fact…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Yes, I would prefer Obama to McCain to be greeting the Aliens in his capacity as POTW.  One thing that fascinates me about all this is the vastly improved performance of the Russian army after in debacle in Chechneya. The Georgians obviously thought the Russians wouldn't intervene, and if they…
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						<p>There’s something oddly disturbing about those shots of a crowd of Georgian nationalists waving their flag.</p><p>Reminds me of English football hooligans.</p>
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				<title>chris mcnair</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Meanwhile, the Dom Post online's top story is... a man pissing on a parking meter.</p></blockquote><p>And not even a single mention of Georgia on the stuff.co.nz home page this morning... Wow.</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Meanwhile, the Dom Post online's top story is... a man pissing on a parking meter.</p><p>Let me know when he's found pissing on a 'journalist'. (assuming its not a watersports story &ndash; I'm not interested in that kind of reporting either)</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>The depressing thing about TVNZ's 6pm news bulletin last night was the trumpeted 'exclusive interview' with the New Zealander who is the US volleyball team coach who's father was murdered in Beijing. That was trailed as their top story. War? What war? </p><p>Just listen to Sunday's Mediawatch &ndash; it speaks…</p>
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						<p>There is very little positive that can be said about McCain IMHO.<br />I see that a staffer has said they would like to see him take less phone calls as they are "Concerned About His Tendency to Adopt the Last Opinion He Has Heard"... <br />This is scary stuff and sounds…</p>
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				<title>Rogan Polkinghorne</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The world is not a Marvel Comic</p></blockquote><p>If only...Then it'd just be Omega Red vs Captain America, and would be all over in 10-15 pages tops...</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The whole thing has necon teh stoopid written all over it.</p></blockquote><p>The following is an brief description of a "Neocon plot" that is the fault of John McCain according to the "unbiased" analysis of the Belgravia Dispatch:</p><p>Georgians and Ossetians are two neighbouring tribes in the Caucacus Mountains.  The Georgians…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Weirdly, over at The Hive, which normally doesn't get many comments there are lively discussions by people who seem to have a stake in all this. Even comments in what I assume to be Russian?</p></blockquote><p>Freaky!</p>
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				<title>Jan Farr</title>
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						<p>Thanks for this topic Russell &ndash; it's really informative.  No wonder this site wins awards!</p><blockquote><p>John McCain, who yesterday declared "we are all Georgians"...</p></blockquote><p>Another embarrassment to the human race!  Where do they find them!  </p><p>Pity about Obama.  Even if he's not standing for President of the World (a position…</p>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						Weirdly, over at <a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3378251271164089615&amp;postID=4031446473454028895" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Hive,</a> which normally doesn't get many comments there are lively discussions by people  who seem to have a stake in all this. Even comments in what I assume to be Russian?
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Asked and answered. Despite his recent Berlin speech, Obama is running for POTUS not POTW.</p></blockquote><p>Yep, but wouldn't it be a pleasant change just for once for whoever is POTUS not to have to find ogres to placate some US national desire to have enemies everywhere.</p><p>The world is not…</p>
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						<p>The more one pokes around, the more it looks like "stupid and bad" vs "evil".</p><p>The Washington response leaves one wondering if this is a case of smart (provoke Russia, gain new perpetual war, retire to lobbying for military contracts, profit!), or really dumb (We're #1!  Russia won't dare oppose…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Asked and answered. Despite his recent Berlin speech, Obama is running for POTUS not POTW.</p></blockquote><p>Completely agree &ndash; but if you ARE going to comment on a significant international situation, I'd prefer you do with it with thought and understanding.</p>
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						<p>Am I being too naive (and supportive of improbable conspiracy theories) to think maybe the local history and detail of the lead-up are merely incidental to the "big picture"?</p><p>Sometimes I just wonder if it's not just a case of "Shit, the price of oil has stabilized again, where can…</p>
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						<p>Why did Georgia think the Russians weren't gonna hit back?</p><p>Putin has his own band of hitler youth. They're carrying the flag with a red back ground and white diagonal cross.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>It was actually when the Ottoman's went to town and invaded europe. Something that McCain should known, since they were the reason Columbus went west liking for a route to China.</p></blockquote><p>I'd say the Ottoman invasions helped prolong the "Christendom" attitude to some extent; it was when they became allies…</p>
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						<blockquote>Stoopid? Stupid like a Fox! I think the Iraq debacle has shown us that the Neo-cons aren't afraid of breaking a lot of eggs to make a little omelette. How better to wake the sleeping bear than by convincing Georgia to kick Russia in the nuts and see what happens?…</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>I thought that was the reason that the USA arms Israel?<br />Does this mean that Georgia is arming someone else?<br />And so on?</p></blockquote><p>I guess my rather poorly articulated point is that this is next to Europe, not South America or the Middle East.  Europe, where they have enjoyed two…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Something seems to have gone horribly wrong here. Did Saakashvili think contributing 2000 troops to the Iraq project meant he'd get military backing if he made a move?</p><p>The whole thing has necon teh stoopid written all over it.</p></blockquote><p>Stoopid? Stupid like a Fox! I think the Iraq debacle has shown…</p>
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						<p>Mark James of The Exile(d) has a <a href="http://exiledonline.com/georgia-gets-its-war-onmccain-gets-his-brain-plaque/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">very interesting backgrounder</a> on this story.</p><p>He notes , among other things, that McCain called for an emergency Security Council resolution &mdash; <em>after</em> Russia had unsuccessfully called for exactly the same thing. The Russian bid was blocked by the US and Britain over…</p>
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						<p>Obama's response wasn't particularly heartening either.  His first statement was wishy-washy rubbish which just showed he had little clue what was going on, until 3 days later he simply matches McCain's "tough talk" on Russia...<br />Disappointing lack of critical thought.  I suppose US politics would still always demand a "blame…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Someone should tell McCain that the concept of Christendom as a defensive unit died out around, oh, the High Middle Ages, with the end of the major crusading period.</p></blockquote><p>It was actually when the Ottoman's went to town and invaded europe. Something that McCain should known, since they were the…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have had some sympathy for Georgia because they view the separatist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as a domestic issue.</p></blockquote><p>For sure. And as we have seen in China, keeping separatist regions in the fold is a messy business. But South Ossetia has been effectively self-governing for about…</p>
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						<p>It would be interesting to see how greater Europe sees this issue given their clear dependence on gas and pipework from the east.  </p><p>That there is sucspicion of Israel and USA arming Georgia reeks of &ndash; lets fight a war in somone leses back yard.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>I know this might be a little hard for the American puditocracy to swallow (especially in an election year) but is there any possibility that, in this case, the world doesn't actually revolve around the District of Columbia?  </p><p>I'm not saying the Washington K Street culture isn't the kind of…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He reminds me a little of Jason Schwartzman in the Wes Anderson films Rushmore...</p></blockquote><p>It should be noted the Max Fischer, while charismatic, is also deeply deluded and... kind of officious and nutty. This does not bode well.</p><p>God I love that movie. :)</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>It's worth pointing out that <a href="http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2008/07/mccains-senior.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Lindsay Beyerstein</a> broke the Scheunemann story over a month ago. I have been waiting to see if TPM would credit her, but if they did, I missed it.</p><p>I read her site with great interest &ndash; I imagine we'll see a lot of her in…</p>
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				<title>Paul Rowe</title>
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						<p>In another victory for the Bloggers, my first understanding of what is happeneing came from No Right Turn, not from the TV news. (no surprises there, I know)</p><p>To John Campbell's credit, last night he showed the contrasting way the conflict is being reported in the US versus the UK,…</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He reminds me a little of Jason Schwartzman in the Wes Anderson films Rushmore and the Darjeeling Ltd.</p></blockquote><p>That's probably gonna be McCain's next rationale for giving him military support.</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p>Someone should tell McCain that the concept of Christendom as a defensive unit died out around, oh, the High Middle Ages, with the end of the major crusading period. </p><p>Oh, wait. He probably thinks this is a crusade.</p>
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				<title>Charles Mabbett</title>
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						<p>Saakashvili is a brilliant and compelling speaker. He is articulate, fluent in English, persuasive and pro-Western. He reminds me a little of Jason Schwartzman in the Wes Anderson films Rushmore and the Darjeeling Ltd. </p><p>I have had some sympathy for Georgia because they view the separatist regions of Abkhazia and…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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