Hard News: The Mood
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Is there or has here been something in the water? Derek Fox lined up for the next round.
Yup, and the most depressing part of that story is:
It is understood the Labour Party has been planning to make allegations against Mr Fox in the House under parliamentary privilege.
Fuck being partisan -- I really, really hope that "understanding" is totally wrong. As I've said on Kiwiblog, Parliament may be "the highest court in the land" but I'd rather abuse cases be properly tried in an open court a little further down the food chain. Violence is not OK, but neither is the media coverage of Vetch or this kind of political wankery come to that.
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It's just all too common.We have a good simple campaign that has stuck with people. IT"S NOT OK! but sorry, as before,. the sisters NEED to be doing it for themselves also.Everyone needs to be involved here. Damm the publicity, "shit happens". It is now an unfortunate ugly part of our society that feeds off the misery of others. Sort the real problem out I say! you know, when something lingers ,it generally stinks.
I luckily on a lighter note can advise I had my last lot of chemo on Sunday and its all up from here as so far they are very pleased. How the year has flown (in more ways than ya think ;) ) Thanks for askin' -
You'll have to pardon me for cynicism, but isn't the really really contrite apology and promise never to do it again combined with a dash of diminished responsibility part of the classic domestic violence routine?
And the stage managed press conference, with the man's poor wife up there beside him, is straight out of the I Did Bad But I'd Like My Rep Back public relations manual, as performed elsewhere by Eliot Spitzer and Ted Haggard. I'm looking forward to the tearful long-run TV interview (with pre-vetted questions) and the magazine cover - How I Turned My Life Around for the Love of a Good Woman.
The media machine's going to get its pound of flesh one way or the other - I'd prefer to see it used in the defence of victims of domestic violence than used to minimise the consequences of serious criminal offending.
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The police are already making excuses about how hard it would be to investigate without a complainant
If it had gone a bit further and turned into murder they'd have to investigate without a complainant, wouldn't they?
Plenty of people have been convicted for murder on circumstantial evidence, not to mention informal confessions.
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I really, really hope that "understanding" is totally wrong.
I saw that over at KB, I thought that was something pretty easy to say, without presenting any evidence that that is the case (it's sad that the idea is even credible though).
I guess we'll never know (be pretty stupid to bring it up now).
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had my last lot of chemo on Sunday and its all up from here as so far they are very pleased
Well done!
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I luckily on a lighter note can advise I had my last lot of chemo on Sunday and its all up from here as so far they are very pleased. How the year has flown (in more ways than ya think ;) ) Thanks for askin'
Thanks for tellin' - God knows some good news is always thankfully received. Never been through chemo, but I know people who have and it's a shit and you're on my prayer list that it's 110% effective, and you're bouncing off the walls soon!
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B Jones:
I'd like to err on the side of generosity, but I'm bemused by people like John Tamihere and Michelle Boag on Close Up last night who think Vietch can tough this one out? Anyone know what former-Three newsreader Darren McDonald is doing nowadays? When his drug bust (and later admission that he had read the news while high) you could have guessed that his media career was dead as Monty Python's dead parrot. And, as far as I can recall, the only person he was hurting was himself. But Veitch can tough it out?
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Meanwhile, here's a tune for all the media whores out there -- whoever you may be:
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But Veitch can tough it out?
Doubt it.
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So, so far the only people to have spoken about Fox in public are the Herald and Kiwiblog, but the Labour party are getting the blame. That's convenient.
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Thanks Craig. I remember seeing that for the first time on a Radio With Pictures 10th Anniversary of Punk show, back in the day. My maths suggests it was 1987. Happy days.
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Shep, I see it as straightforwardly one law for the rich who can pay their way out, preserving their name and their career, and another for the poor.
Possibly. It really depends whether the lack of complaint from his ex related to the money, or if that was incidental to the lack of complaint. She might have decided that independently, or if we knew what was going on in her head, we might say that she was coerced, by the money or other means.
Two laws have always worked in NZ, the lower classes get no inch, while the old school tie gets diversion.
I see a major payout as a better penalty than going to prison. IMHO community services and fines should be extended to the vast majority of prisoners, with some notable exceptions.
That's a bit of a contradiction isn't it? The lower classes get no inch, but fines should be extended? Fines are easy peasy for rich people, but impossible for poor people.
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I luckily on a lighter note can advise I had my last lot of chemo on Sunday and its all up from here as so far they are very pleased.
Oh, Sofie. That's fantastic. Big hugs to you.
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"Fines are easy peasy for rich people, but impossible for poor people."
What's he on, five times the average wage? I don't know or care and each case should be treated on it merits. 20K to the victims of a serious assult may go a long way to making some victims feel a bit better and have some meaning to the offender, having to pay it off. This shud be done through the Justice system, where they pay out to the victim is done at sentencing and the guilty party can pay Corrections in service and fines. I really don't see any benifit in prison for the majority of people.
In her position I'ld not like my photo splashed around the papers, and see the resolution reached possibly the best of a bad thing.
What Veitch did was wrong and he should make amends as best he can. I see the settlment reached as a positive process and wonder if anything to come from this will be benificial to anyone.
That depends greatly on whether this expose comes from the victim, which would indicate the payout was as cynical as some would think it, or is some dirty media business to cripple the competition.
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"What Veitch did was wrong and he should make amends as best he can. I see the settlment reached as a positive process and wonder if anything to come from this will be benificial to anyone."
Sorry - I was wondering if it becoming media fodder would help anyone.
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20K to the victims of a serious assult may go a long way to making some victims feel a bit better and have some meaning to the offender, having to pay it off.
This surely is going to lead to rich offenders getting to move on with the signature of a cheque, and poor offenders spending a couple of decades repaying their debt through hard slog.
I think there's already enough benefits in the justice system for being rich - teams of top lawyers, researchers etc - without helping them out at the other end as well.
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So, so far the only people to have spoken about Fox in public are the Herald and Kiwiblog, but the Labour party are getting the blame. That's convenient.
Um, excuse me Don? IF (note the emphasis) the passage I quoted is true (not my clearly expressed wish that it isn't), I think Labour damn does deserve all the blame that can be heaped on its head. How many fucking time have we seen allegations levelled under parliamentary privilege against people who can't respond in kind, and leading every radio and TV bulletin, on every front page. But when they don't quite correspond to reality, the backtrack has nowhere near the same prominence? And there's absolutely no recourse for the person who's been slimed?
That's wrong -- no matter who does it.
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I hear that later, Craig is going to release damaging rumours about Don. And I condemn Craig for that. If it's true, of course.
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Heh... the difference is, Stephen, as you're not covered by a near total freedom to bullshit at will I can sue your arse off for saying any such thing. :) Domestic violence/partner abuse claims is a little too serious to be used as an offensive political weapon. Or at least, it should be used as such in a way where you've actually got to get your facts in order, and respect court orders, while you're doing it.
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What Veitch did was wrong and he should make amends as best he can. I see the settlement reached as a positive process and wonder if anything to come from this will be beneficial to anyone
I think you are right Shep. Should we as people, be able to sort this out without recourse to law or trial by media? I think that is mature, and I see it as positive if both parties agree.Noones business but theirs.
The trouble that occurs is opinion gets in the way,This is why I feel unless the woman wants to complain,( in his case, an arrangement is made) she should be left to decide her own outcome.The Police can deal with this if__ she__ wants. Rather simple, revenge or recompense,
PS. I just want to thank those who care 'bout my bullshit and all your kind words. I am touched.I will survive! -
I will survive!
One of my fave songs. In an army "smoke show" (amatuer dramatics at the end of an overseas excercise) me and a mate played "Priscilla Queen of the Jungle". 1/2 Coconuts and sweat rag (think green string vest material) boob-tubes & any makeup we could find.
It was all very "Aint 'alf Hot Mum" - The Samoans didn't get the joke and thought we were fafafine, which was even funnier.You look after yourself Sofie.
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TV3 has named Shane Jones as the MP dishing the dirt on Fox. Jones & the PMs office have said it was all Jones.
He's a particularly ugly and arrogant character Jones. I like Fox but he does seem to stuff up at regular intervals.
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Perhaps people realise perfectly well that truckies "paying their share" actually means the general populace paying more for everything via increased prices.
Pressure on prices wouldn’t be a reason not to address the problem of some road users purportedly not paying their fair share of the cost. Anyway, I haven’t heard many people arguing they are against the increase principally because of fears of the cost being passed on. What I hear is much more like the bungled syllogism Graeme suggested on their behalf.
At the end of the day, who pays? It isn't the truckies.
Then why are they protesting?
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TV3 has named Shane Jones as the MP dishing the dirt on Fox. Jones & the PMs office have said it was all Jones.
Frankly, Shep, I'm not surprised -- he does seem to have become Labour's designated brownneck. You know, the guy who says shit that would sound just a little racist coming from one of the whitefella bovver boys.
He's a particularly ugly and arrogant character Jones.
Oy, and how. I know a woman who has reguar dealings with him for a while, and her assessment of him was typically blunt (and I quote) "another brown prick who thinks the sun shines out his arse". Not a stupid man, but I really wonder how well he's made the transition to being a small fish in a big, shark-infested pond. :)
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