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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>the big build-up…</strong><br />density is your destiny<br />not some d.i.y. nest…</p><p>House Block Bay, <br />here we come!</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 09:15:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>whatever disaffected council member or staffer leaked draft maps</q></p><p>Ben Ross writes about <a href="http://voakl.net/2015/11/27/someone-in-council-has-betrayed-the-trust-of-the-submitters-to-the-unitaryplan/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">what that action means</a>. Like him, I'm more likely to believe it's one of the councillors. Previous utterances should narrow the pool of those willing to flout their solemn obligations over this particular topic.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 08:38:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>and check the sense of entitlement in this fragment (though being Orsman there's no guarantee of accuracy):</p><p><q>Auckland 2040 had agreed to relax density controls</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 08:33:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Swan</title>
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						More housing = more overcrowding? Wow, that's an impressive leap of logic.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2015 06:19:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the coastal geezers of Ak 2040 </q></p><p>get another platform to whine about their impending loss of lifestyle, courtesy Mr Orsman and whatever disaffected council member or staffer <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=11551921" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">leaked draft maps</a> to him. Intensification in the South would also be bad, they reckon, but for different reasons:</p><p><q>He said apartments in poorer…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:00:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/74399415/auckland-switches-to-chemical-spraying-of-weeds-in-parks-to-save-money" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/74399415/auckland-switches-to-chemical-spraying-of-weeds-in-parks-to-save-money</a></p><p>Hope ACC is all set up for the consequences...</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:18:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>I have an attachment to (c) Centre party splits off Labour and picks up the 20% in the middle. I mean if they are neo-liberals who will never vote for Labour (again, since many probably did in 2008 or before) why not create another party to give them an alternative…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 00:05:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>Thank you, Grant. I expect some tech gnome will update the Labour Party website presently. :)</q></p><p>Perhaps Slater and Ede might have a go;-)</p>
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						It's Auckland Council's smallest CCO I think!  For some reason doesn't have the profile of Auckland Transport or Watercare ;-)
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						Yes that's correct.  Only pools in Mt Roskill electorate are Cameron Pools, which are free to kids.  But they do have nothing to do with Phil Goff, they are under the aegis of the Puketapapa Local Board of Auckland Council (currently contracted to YMCA to run along with Lynfield Rec…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:31:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>As a regular user I am happy that it is not free for kids as there would just be more people there.</q></p><p>I'll think to myself next time I could take the kids to the pool but don't have the budget for it that at least my absence makes it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 20:30:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>it was excluded from the "free" concession</q></p><p>Ta for clarifying. I didn't realise that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:38:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q> <strong>his</strong> manifesto in 2011</q></p><p>the compromise negotiated amongst the caucus factions at the time, you mean.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:37:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						<p>Mt Albert Aquatic Centre is a 3 way JV where the school (Crown) owns the land. The council owns the building and and management company runs the pool. There is a complicated trust agreement in place.  So it was excluded from the "free" concession.</p><p>As a regular user I am…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:15:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>pools across the whole region are now free to children at least, but yes, huge discrepancies in which areas have them.</q></p><p>Hmmm that's odd. I just called Mt Albert Aquatic Center, and they said the kids were $5.90 each and I'm $8.20. So we're looking at the usual $20 to…</p>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<p>Funnily enough, the far edge of the light-coloured corner of single house zone is the last of Pt Chev to be built on, and features a whole bunch of massive Brady Bunch 70s houses. A mint little enclave of gold glass and nifty balconies and endless elbow room. </p><p>A time…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:55:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q> I suspect they do care about the fact Goff is a hard working and effective local MP.</q></p><p>I expect if you asked a random sample of them to name 3 achievements for Mt Roskill, 9 out of 10 would have no answers at all. But that is not to say…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:26:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						I doubt the voters of Mt Roskill care where in the strange world of Labour factions Goff sits (and it's not entirely clear he is "right" these days, his manifesto in 2011 will probably be the most left-wing manifesto for twenty years either side) but I suspect they do care…
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				<title>Swan</title>
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						Yes apparently he doesnt want to much intensification in the nice areas of Auckland.  But New Lynn and Panmure are OK apparently.  So a Snob, as transportblog says, and essentially siding with the Nimbys.  Very disappointing.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>So, you are saying that...</q></p><p>Nope, I'm not saying any of that. There are many strategies by which Labour could grow its vote, and it's by no means a no-brainer that picking up people who are in the opposite camp is the low hanging fruit. </p><p>Your apology for Goff's inability…</p>
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				<title>Simon Lyall</title>
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						<p><q>Well they do need to get more votes, and put more people off voting National. I’m not seeing why those particular ones are of such importance. With the exit of the best qualified neoliberal from the Labour camp, they may well just vote Blue unconflicted from now on.</q></p><p>So, you…</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>He’ll forgo the MP salary so he can’t be accused of double dipping, he’s already said he’s going to take a “leave of absence” for a month to campaign.</p><p>Incumbents never win by-elections in opposition held seats, why bother with the cost of a campaign?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>You watch, Goff will remain as MP for Roskill for several months after he becomes mayor until after April then both the major parties will agree to forgo the by-election.</q></p><p>But what you’re ignoring is the political embarrassment – because it’s hopelessly naive to think Goff wouldn’t be mocked as…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Around 10% of the Mt Roskill electorate likes Labour enough to vote for their local candidate but preferred a National government</q></p><p>That's pretty much exactly the one I was referring to, except, of course, changing the word "Labour" to "Phil Goff", because he was the local candidate that they voted…</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>Neither Labour or National wants to risk a by-election on Roskill in the run up to the election.</p><p>You watch, Goff will remain as MP for Roskill for several months after he becomes mayor until after April then both the major parties will agree to forgo the by-election.</p>
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				<title>Simon Lyall</title>
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						<p><q>He’s the guy that won more votes for their party than he did for Labour in his own electorate. Pretty clearly, National voters like the guy more than they even like their own guys</q></p><p>Well there are a lot of ways to interpret the differences between the list and party…</p>
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						<a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2015/11/24/phil-goff-for-a-better-auckland/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transportblog assesses</a> Goff's utterances so far on rates, asset sales, and urban intensification.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Andrew Little said on RNZ Nat yesterday that Goff has been relieved of that and it’s been given to, er, someone else.</q></p><p>Thank you, Grant. I expect some tech gnome will update the Labour Party website presently. :)</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Gordon Campbell <a href="http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2015/11/24/gordon-campbell-on-the-phil-goff-mayoral-candidacy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">has reckons</a>.
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						I can't bring myself to vote for Goff, so I guess I'll let everyone else decide, like most people do. The nicest thing I can say is that it could be worse. But why would National even need to stand a strong candidate if Goff ends up mayor? He's the…
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						<q>Flaming nutbar: boom, Whittaker’s next chocolate range.</q>That has serious possibilities. Chilli almond. Sweet and sour cashew. Satay...
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<q>Perhaps Key reasons that giving the Auckland centre-right a leg-up would complicate the internal balance of the National Party. Morely likely, he realises that Goff already has a considerable head start and it would be better to work with him than to have to deal with a political neophyte, or…</q>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p><q>And while he’s still a Member of Parliament (and, as far as I’m aware, still his party’s “spokesman for Auckland issues”), he might want to think very carefully about whether it’s wise to start laying down the law.</q></p><p>Andrew Little said on RNZ Nat yesterday that Goff has been relieved…</p>
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				<title>Ethan Tucker</title>
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						<p><q>...it would be better to work with him than to have to deal with a political neophyte, or worse, a flaming nutbar.</q></p><p>Flaming nutbar: boom, Whittaker's next chocolate range.</p>
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						Transportblog has some photos of <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2015/11/24/three-storeys-does-not-equal-highrise/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">3-storey skyscrapers</a>. Someone bring Orsman the salts.
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						Yes! This is a minor point of annoyance for me &ndash; because local government in Auckland and Christchurch is FPP, it makes sense for the left to contest elections together to avoid vote splitting, and if you look at the rise of formations like City Vision and Christchurch 2021 they…
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						<p><q>but the council had to leave aside areas where there were strong objections</q></p><p>yes, bow to the mouthy property owners, Phil. <br />Tug that forelock.</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p><q>Point Chev has gone :-)</p><p>And the “secret” thing has been dialled down:</q></p><p>If you re-read yesterdays article it is actually accurate.</p><p><q><br />Tomorrow, the Unitary Plan committee will meet behind closed doors to approve changes to the single house zone in north, south and east Auckland.</p><p>This follows a decision…</q></p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>And the “secret” thing has been dialled down</q></p><p>It shouldn't be "dialed down", it should be retracted and apologized for because it's just <em>a lie</em>. Sorry for being a broken record, but this is a tiresome habit with The Herald and Orsman in particular and it's just not good enough.…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Orsman has <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=11550082" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a follow-up story today</a> that is somewhat more accurate:</p><p><q>Auckland councillors are going behind closed doors today to propose rezoning thousands more houses in the city's leafy suburbs for multiple townhouses and apartments.</p><p>The eastern suburbs of Pakuranga and Howick; Glenfield, Birkenhead and Takapuna on the North Shore; Whangaparaoa…</q></p>
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						Here’s Point Chev in the current Unitary Plan. Nearly all mixed housing suburban, a bit of mixed housing urban creep.  The light-coloured properties at the bottom left are single housing – the subject of the Herald’s zoning-panic story today. Some of them might be rezoned to the same as nearly…
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				<title>Ben Ross</title>
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						<p>Russell check here: <a href="http://acmaps.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/unitaryplan/FlexViewer/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://acmaps.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/unitaryplan/FlexViewer/index.html</a></p><p>Updated as of 26th June this year</p>
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						<p><q> haven’t seen the Pt Chev maps specifically (and I couldn’t tell you if I could because it was all in confidential) but two points</q></p><p>I was going on <a href="http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/planspoliciesprojects/plansstrategies/unitaryplan/Documents/localareafactsheets/upfactsheetalbertedenptchev.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the notified plan from 2013</a>. Is that the wrong one to be looking at?</p><p>That features an expansion of mixed housing urban…</p>
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						<p><q>I know David Seymour and Epsom is the cheap shot that never stops giving around here, but what does he actually have to do with Auckland City zoning or resource consent issues?</q></p><p>what does he have to do with anything, and why do media clamour to give the sap oxygen?</p>
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						Vernon Tava's letter to the Herald editor today was quite measured given the scale of Asquith's misrepresentation. Not much of a local govt 'expert' if ignorant of basics like that. Still, if they asked their local govt reporter to fact-check ..
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						<p><q>veto rights to those with the money and connections</q></p><p>always</p>
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						Sadly Dr Asquith didn't entirely take his own advice on that opinion piece in the Herald recently, equating City Vision with Labour.  On the Waitemata Local Board, which has a CV majority, there are actually more Green party members than Labour.  And the only CV councillor, Cathy Casey, is staunchly…
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						<p>I haven't seen the Pt Chev maps specifically (and I couldn't tell you if I could because it was all in confidential) but two points </p><p>1.  Mixed Housing Suburban is 2 stories, same as Single House, Mixed Housing Urban is 3 stories.  Moving around the isthmus I have started actively…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I’ve asked this question before, but if a Manhattan-style apartment was planned for Epsom, would David Seymour use the RMA that he wants watered down to block it?</q></p><p>I know David Seymour and Epsom is the cheap shot that never stops giving around here, but what does he actually have…</p>
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						<p><q>if a Manhattan-style apartment was planned for Epsom, would David Seymour use the RMA that he wants watered down to block it?</q></p><p>Probably. He has supported the burghers of Epsom and Mt Eden in their fight against re-zoning for higher densities.</p>
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						<p><q>Most people are not children.</q></p><p>It's estimated that about <a href="http://www.indexmundi.com/new_zealand/demographics_profile.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">20% of Auckland's population</a> is under the age of 16. That is a not-inconsiderable number of people, and they are also the portion of the population least likely to have an independent income.</p>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>Ummm.... I think that's wrong, the proposal in 2013 was for most of Point Chev to be re-zoned Mixed Housing Urban but that was revised back in the formal submisson to mostly being left as Single Housing zone.</p><p>Sounds like behind closed doors they are reverting back to the 2013…</p>
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						<p>Couple of comments on the Orsman scare-story.</p><p>Point Chevalier, where I live, is the first suburb named. But if it's solely a matter of some "single housing" being rezoned to "mixed housing suburban", it's going to make virtually no difference. </p><p>If you look at <a href="http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/planspoliciesprojects/plansstrategies/unitaryplan/Documents/localareafactsheets/upfactsheetalbertedenptchev.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the map in the notified plan</a>,…</p>
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						I think in Seymourland both property owners would square off in civil court on the extent to which the apartment block was impairing others property-rights, probably leaving neither satisfied but their lawyers enriched.
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						<p><q>They even have their own supposedly-libertarian MP, going by the name of David Seymour.</q></p><p>I've asked this question before, but if a Manhattan-style apartment was planned for Epsom, would David Seymour use the RMA that he wants watered down to block it?</p>
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						<p><q>pools across the whole region are now free to children</q></p><p>Most people are not children.</p>
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						<p><q>current residents do not get a veto on the needs of future ones</q></p><p>In which parallel universe do you reside, Sacha? Are they taking applications? Coz the universe I currently occupy very definitely gives veto rights to those with the money and connections to say "I've got mine, so you…</p>
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						<p><q>Mr Seymour said residents have been worn down by the lack of consultation</q></p><p>Too much, more like. People like the coastal geezers of Ak 2040 who have their own 3-level homes but do not want anyone else to <em>share</em> a similar height building.</p><p>None of these clowns (Orsman included) seem…</p>
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						<p><q> free entry</q></p><p>pools across the whole region are now free to children at least, but yes, huge discrepancies in which areas have them.</p>
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						<p><q>Oh goody, Bernard Orsman is back to his click bating best.</q></p><p>Really struggled to muster any fucks on reading that article. The residents of aforementioned "leafy suburbs" have been determined to keep everyone out, but they'll happily preach long and loud about how Auckland really does need to stop sprawling.</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Oh goody, Bernard Orsman is back to his <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=11549536" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">click bating</a> best.
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						<p>She seems to be loving the job of Equal Employment Opportunities Commissioner, and isn't afraid to get stuck into her former colleagues. I've found her to be intelligent, kind and genuine.</p><p>But she didn't ever excel at 'retail-politics', the kind of handshaking and speech-making talent that a politician in a…</p>
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						<p><q>FWIW I seldom heard a bad word about Jackie Blue when she was an MP.</q></p><p>I think she's pretty happy as a Human Rights Commissioner now though.</p>
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						<p><q>National has a distinct lack of appreciable candidates to stand in Mt Roskill</q></p><p>FWIW I seldom heard a bad word about Jackie Blue when she was an MP.</p>
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						<p><q>Is that the same David Hay who’s previously been involved with the CitRats? Or are there 2 of them?</q></p><p>Different guy. The former deputy-mayor hasn't been seen or heard of lately, thankfully.</p>
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						<p><q>I’m not sure how far Goff’s call for efficient spending is a matter of policy, or simply useful rhetoric.</q></p><p>Someone better be asking Goff that if he doesn’t know himself, because today’s “useful rhetoric” has a most unfortunate tendency to come back and bite you in the arse. I sure…</p>
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						<p><q>Has David Hay rejoined the Greens after his one-year expulsion?</q></p><p>Is that the same David Hay who’s previously been involved with the CitRats? Or are there 2 of them?</p>
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						When Christine Fletcher won the Auckland Mayoralty in 1998, she kept her post as Epsom MP until the 1999 general election. Stones and glass houses come to mind.
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						<p><q> I rather wish “they” (whoever they are) would, because coronations tend to lead to more platitudes than serious policy subject to equally serious scrutiny</q></p><p>I don't know how these things work, but can't a National Party member propose that the party starts adopting candidates in local elections according to a…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>Goff campaigning while being an incumbent MP will annoy the right greatly</q></p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11431797" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">John Key</a> seems his usual relaxed self about it &ndash; maybe he thinks a National MP might want to do the same at some stage, maybe he'd rather have Goff as mayor than some of the wingnuts on offer?</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						The voters of Auckland want access to the foreshore, better PT and no asset sales but done with no higher rates and also seem to love John Key, whose government seem determined to keep a firm jackboot on the financial windpipe of the supercity. Aucklanders want intensification and cheaper housing,…
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>I believe that Hay has not been allowed to rejoin. I'm not 100% confident of that, but reasonably certain.</p><p>It's a pity that he's standing for mayor, because he was actually a really good policy analyst for the council and drove them towards some decent social policy. Those policies remain…</p>
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				<title>James Ting-Edwards</title>
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						<p>Here's <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2015/08/26/an-update-on-mangere-and-airport-rail/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Transportblog on heavy versus light rail to Auckland Airport</a>:</p><p><q>AT’s planned operating pattern will see trains from the western line pass through the CRL before heading towards Onehunga. It seems like there’s a bit of gerrymandering going on this. If AT are talking about delivering single seat rides then…</q></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>From the Herald:</p><p><q>Labour MP Phil Goff has announced he is standing as an independent candidate for the Auckland mayoralty, ending months of speculation about his political future.</p><p>Former Green Party member and council employee David Hay is also standing.</p><p>Other confirmed candidates are Orakei Local Board member Mark Thomas,…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:51:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						One thing that is interesting is that we've settled on a fairly coherent political 'normal' that most endorse. There are no huge deviations from the current script. It's actually testament to Brown and Hulse and a bunch of reasonable people around the table that this has happened &ndash; the Mayor…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>FWIW, I think he shouldn’t do both jobs. Undermines both of them, and increases public contempt for democracy. And to be clear, Goff hasn’t said he would.</em></p><p>Goff campaigning while being an incumbent MP will annoy the right greatly. It won’t make any great difference to the result though, even…</q></p>
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				<title>Kevin McCready</title>
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						<p>To those whinging about rate rises:<br />"It's very popular for people to stand up and say 'let's cut this, let's cut that, let's attack the bureaucrats in the Town Hall',<br />"People don't actually know what they're talking about."<br />	Massey University local government expert Dr Andy Asquith</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q>FWIW, I think he shouldn’t do both jobs. Undermines both of them, and increases public contempt for democracy. And to be clear, Goff hasn’t said he would.</q></p><p>Goff campaigning while being an incumbent MP will annoy the right greatly. It won’t make any great difference to the result though, even…</p>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>I wish Goff all the best.</p><p>Key was going out of his way to say nice things about Goff, even suggesting he could stay on as an MP when he's Mayor to avoid a by-election*. </p><p>First reaction: "That's jolly generous of you, PM".</p><p>Second reaction: "OK, so which National MP…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>And going by his quotes to the Herald after Goff’s announcement, the Prime Minister is okay with that. I don’t think the Right will try to put up a sensible candidate against Goff. </q></p><p>Well, I rather wish “they” (whoever they are) would, because coronations tend to lead to more platitudes…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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