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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Why would you want to live in a country where you can’t converse with most of the population? Or is “residence” about having a bolthole and a convenient way to dodge Chinese taxes by claiming to live overseas?</q></p><p>Two very good questions.</p><p>1: Beats me, but plenty of people do.…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Sounds like the equivalent of my fairly non-existent skills in German, and way below my not-particularly good French.</p><p>Why would you want to live in a country where you can't converse with most of the population? Or is "residence" about having a bolthole and a convenient way to dodge Chinese…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2014 08:30:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						An Associate Immigration Minister making immigration decisions versus a Minter advising the police a sexual crime suspect may be a politically sensitive subject will, my pessimism says, be lost on the those just attuning to politics ahead oh election.  I would loved to be proved wrong.  But I do appreciate…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 23:36:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>So no, no smoking gun, but this certainly looks to me like a more likely tree to be barking up.</q></p><p>You may well be correct.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>No, but there still seems to be a whiff of smoke floating about:</p><p><q>There is no explanation of the "previous intervention" of Mr O'Connor,</q></p><p>Also, that English language requirement for his category of visa <a href="http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/stream/invest/investment/default.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">is not exactly strict or strenuous or tough</a>. I find it very hard to believe that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 20:12:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>At a glance, this doesn't quite seem the smoking gun either.</p><p>What O'Connor waived was the English-language requirement. He still made it clear Liu had to pass the character test. And he pointedly stepped back when there was some weirdness with the incorrect photo being supplied.</p><p>The real story here…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:57:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						He was probably offering to log native forest and create jobs on the west coast in double figures. Maybe dig up a national park to mine coal as well.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:41:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Ooooh, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=11287104" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">is there now something to get excited about</a>? Well, almost, perhaps. It's nice to see somebody actually looking at the really obvious Labour MP to target re: Donghua Liu. Finally. But something big is still missing here: Motive. Why did Damian O'Connor intervene in Donghua Liu's application for residence? Three…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 17:12:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>When life gives you lemons, you make Lemonhide.<br />Grate.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:59:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> the pith?</q><br />That's the bit inside the lemon Hide eh?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:49:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> the most dynamic part of Chchch.</q><br />Surely that would be.<br />Damn you Joe with your Photoshopfoo<br />I now have a headache and achieved nothing but an ugly mess trying to edit this to say Kaiapoi.</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<q>how else would you get ‘zest’ in a city</q>By taking the pith?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:32:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>You appear to have overlooked</q><br />Hei Hei, I missed that. :-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:00:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						You appear to have overlooked the most dynamic part of Chchch.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:24:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>a <strong>Grater</strong> Auckland city vision</q><br />fixed that for you!</p><p>how else would you get 'zest' in a city<br />but by grating a lemon...</p><p>:- )</p><p><em></recycled pun &ndash; save the wails!></em></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:05:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>it’s … Auckwood</q><br />’Tell you come from Cripescrutch<br />Up here we call our supburps by their proper names…<br />Moaningsnide,<br />Manurewa (pronounced Manure waa)<br />Poncybay<br />As for your burbs…</p><p>Merisnail<br />Papanubie<br />Ricecarton<br />Fondalton<br />Bumside<br />Bryndwr (thats Welsh for “itsquitenicehereomasunnydayyoucanseethehillsanshit”<br />Belfarts (ding dung)<br />New Brighton, a place without pier.<br />Avonside (now partly…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:33:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						John Armstrong on <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=11284070" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">National's worries about complacency and the "missing million"</a>.
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				<title>linger</title>
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						Awesome. That’s a greater Auckland city vision by far than the names now on the map. (& what most non-JAFAs have <em>always</em> thought about it!)
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Festerville City...</strong><br /><q>North Sore</q><br />is that part of the Suppurating City?</p><p>How the new suburb names trip off the tongue:<br />Aarrgh Hill, Blockhead Bay, Bowelmorale, Ellersleaze, Greyer Lynn, Hernia Bay, Missing Bay, Mourninginside, Mount Roadkills, Painmure, Poisonby, St Hellions, Wartview, Wetsmear &ndash; even Down town sucks...</p><p>Not some horror Hollywood,…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						I don't know about the first sentence there, Sacha, but the math on the rest is hardly that complicated.  I'm in one of the safest National electorates in the country, and anyone who thinks Maggie Barry is going to lose this seat need to step away from the P pipe,…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Joyce knows about the numbers including undecideds being closer than media is telling the rest of us. Getting each electorate to focus on an absolute target is insurance against low turnout which might shift percentages enough to win or lose at national level.
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Well, <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-congressional-candidate-tim-murray-says-he-was-beaten-by-a-robot-20140628-zspdy.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">no matter how bad NZ politics may get</a>...
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:43:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>They’re even setting electorate-level targets as bodies rather than percentages.</q></p><p>I'm curious. What's the rationale behind that? Surely the seats in parliament are divvied up by the percentages of those who voted, so why the sudden interest in boosting absolute numbers?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:09:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Unless the Herald has suddenly found evidence for a 100k bottle of wine and 150k in donations, then that story remains unraveled. And even if they have found rock solid evidence for that, they didn't have it when they ran it. So attacking their critics is still lame.</q></p><p>Funny how…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Which sounds exactly what Joyce should be saying to an election year party conference.</q></p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11283768" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Yep</a>. They're even setting electorate-level targets as bodies rather than percentages.</p><p><q>"It is not enough to get a certain percentage of whoever turns out," Mr Joyce said. "It's important to get as many as possible people to…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2014 18:19:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>“bugger the pollsters with a well-lubricated horse cock, we’re in this to win it.”</q><br />I was almost with you up until that last bit, Craig, you worry me sometimes but then I remember you are a National supporter so...<br />;-)</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Its almost like he is saying “The polls are rigged to make us look good, don’t believe it” something I have suspected for years but if Steven Joyce says so then…</q></p><p>Oh, come on Steve.  Sounds precisely like exactly the same message National was sending at the last election year…</p>
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				<title>Mr Mark</title>
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						<p><em>I hope you all saw this interesting post about that mysterious undecided tribe at The Political Scientist</em></p><p>Hate to be self-promotional here (well, no, actually that's not true &ndash; I quite like it), but can I just point out that  &ndash; as Puddleglum at <em>The Political Scientist</em> very generously made…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>You wrote “the polls are rigged to make us look good”, which implies that somebody is deliberately designing them in such a way that they overstate National support. </q>Yes I did and yes it does.<br /> I may, of course, be mistaken but that is a rare occurrence. I will never…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						You wrote "the polls <strong>are rigged</strong> to make us look good", which implies that somebody is deliberately designing them in such a way that they overstate National support. What does seem to be clear is that they are reported in such a way that makes it seem National is going…
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<q>if slightly less conspiratorial sounding.</q>Yes, it doesn't pay to mention conspiracy, you get labeled as a "theorist" and these days any theory is dismissed as unfounded rubbish.
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Its almost like he is saying “The polls are rigged to make us look good, don’t believe it” something I have suspected for years but if Steven Joyce says so then…</q></p><p>I saw that and I thought something similar, if slightly less conspiratorial sounding.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>I do think we could do worse than have a serious discussion about the roll polling, especially the reporting of polls, plays in our political culture.</q>Indeed, it all seems a bit chicken and egg don't it?<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11283768 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> But here is a thing...</a><br /><q>Mr Joyce urged delegates to take no comfort…</q></p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						I must say the <a href="http://www.trademe.co.nz/books/nonfiction/biography/politics/auction-746833501.htm#qna " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> TradeMe Q+A</a> for the Xion Qui tome is, possibly, more informative than the Herald when it comes to the public's perception of our PM. I was tempted to ask if the book was signed by a Helen Clark but the poor chap selling it…
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>it’s interesting that she points the finger at National. </q><br />I think she has finally been embarrassed enough to think about her credibility, you can only go down so far before your career is irretrievable. It is one thing towing the company line for the sake of your job but for…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>The Herald seems <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11283405" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">determined to find a story in this</a>:</p><p><q>Aucklander Paul Davison, QC, is heading a team of advisers for Liu reviewing the property developer's records following the comments of David Cunliffe this week.</p><p>The Weekend Herald understands this includes more than 30 photographs taken over 18 months linking Liu…</q></p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Thanks Rob ,the comments are fantastic. On par with the washing Machine. :)
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				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2014 05:57:37 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Well, it’s not so I struggle to see the point of the whole exercise</q></p><p>We have nothing better to go on, and want to know the answer, for any number of reasons? Because one can adjust strategy to optimize the chance of winning? Because one might want to know if…</p>
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						<p><q>Also people don’t seem to be buying this- but some of the comments are classic trademe.</q></p><p>Does the book discuss the time Key swam with the Dolphins off Maui?<br />Yes but the dolphins don't remember it.</p>
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						<p><q>E-Day isn’t about the politicians, and the pollsters and the media. It’s about the electors.</q></p><p>This.</p>
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						<p><q>In case any Chchch folk missed Murray Horton’s CAFCA Talk at the WEA on Wednesday, new dates have been announced for the suburbs in July:</p><p>Who’s Running The Show? <br />And In Whose Interests?</q></p><p>Phonetically speaking, that's so appropriate.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q> Labour’s problem is it has a high profile coterie of other-generation has-beens and dinosaurs in safe electoral seats who dominate the public perception of the party.</q><br />Generational change was the stalking horse for the Douglas 'reforms', which the Party's left happily traded for the nuclear free policy. Like any party,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 22:25:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						The auction is live and it's currently going for about $7 more than new.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 22:24:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>The comments under the Herald apoligitorial are quite remarkable. People are not buying it. <br />Also people don't seem to be buying <a href="http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=746833501" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a>- but some of the comments are classic trademe.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 22:17:11 +1200</pubDate>
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						I agree with some of that. There does seem to be big disparity between its self image and how it is seen from the outside. But there are elements of inevitability to all of this, so I'm not sure that the prescription of going old skool and hardening up is…
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>No, just that they were formed from older existing parties. Also I should correct that Labour was not born in the 30s.</q></p><p>Whigs fo' life, yo.  Things haven't been the same since George 3 let the Tories back in.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 19:29:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p><q>Tim Murphy @tmurphyNZH<br />Donghua Liu &ndash; seems like some premature claims of the story 'unravelling' have been going on....</q></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/tmurphyNZH/status/482413071403462656" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://twitter.com/tmurphyNZH/status/482413071403462656</a></p><p>Unless the Herald has suddenly found evidence for a 100k bottle of wine and 150k in donations, then that story remains unraveled. And even if they have found rock solid…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:56:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>"If an election was held today</q></p><p>which is the excuse the pollsters give for discarding all the undecideds.</p>
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						<p><q>The party it likes to imagine itself to be is lean and driven, the party it actually is is plump and flaccid. IMHO Labour desperately needs to work out</q></p><p>to the gym! :)</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>Labour's problems are twofold. </p><p>Firstly, it is (like all similar social-democratic parties that sold their souls to the dead end of third way politics) in an existential crisis as what it actually primarily stands for. At the moment, it is a comfy establishment party of middle class urban liberal identity…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>However, I do think we could do worse than have a serious discussion about the roll polling, especially the reporting of polls, plays in our political culture. </q></p><p>Fair enough &mdash; hell, for me the fundamental problem with polls is they all begin with "If an election was held today..."  Well,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:20:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Worth a read: <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=11282483" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Which New Zealand do we want as member of the Security Council</a>?
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>‘don’t be a dick’ is the main Public Address guideline for discussions. <br />I’m not the one who needs to do some reflecting.</q><br />sigh....</p><p>through a glass darkly... <br />a little charity goes a long way<br />:-  )</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>You know, an awful lot of Tories (myself included) were singing the same fucking song at the same pity party in 2002 – you know, the general election where all the polls were pointing towards National getting its lowest share of the popular vote in the party’s history.</q></p><p>Good point.…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q> I would be more likely to want them to represent me in parliament, if they showed enough humility to acknowledge that some of the 1980s Labour Party was inconstant with basic human dignity.</q></p><p>That's been done already. Must be two years ago now. They finally owned the fact that the…</p>
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						'don't be a dick' is the main Public Address guideline for discussions. I’m not the one who needs to do some reflecting.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						Now trending on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&amp;q=%23nzheraldheadlines&amp;src=typd" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">#NZHeraldHeadlines</a>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<q>This reminds me of the last time I spoke to Helen Clark. I said the polls were so wrong and judging by what l could see, Labour should have been polling around 38%, this was 2008, she agreed but then said “trouble is, many people not only believe the polls,…</q>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Don’t be a dick. Stump up some links or you're no better than the Herald.
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>In case any Chchch folk missed Murray Horton's CAFCA Talk at the WEA on Wednesday, new dates have been announced for the suburbs in July:<br /><q> <strong>Who's Running The Show? <br />And In Whose Interests?</strong></p><p>Tuesday 1st July @7:30pm <strong>Lyttelton</strong> <br />Naval Point Club, Charlotte Jane Quay.</p><p>Wednesday 2nd July @7:30pm <strong>Heathcote</strong> <br />St…</q></p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Personally I’m glad that no-one’s managed to convince him that the Party’s fucked.</q></p><p>Of course people standing for the Party have to believe that. But that doesn't much influence my judgment any more than Colin Craig's optimism of breaking the threshold influences my opinion of whether he actually will.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> Personally I’m glad that no-one’s managed to convince him that the Party’s fucked.</q><br />This reminds me of the last time I spoke to Helen Clark. I said  the polls were so wrong and judging by what l could see, Labour should have been polling around 38%, this was 2008, she…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>About six blocks from here the Party candidate is putting up a vastly more spirited hiding to nowhere fight against Brownlee than happened back in 2011. Personally I’m glad that no-one’s managed to convince him that the Party’s fucked.</q><br />The <a href="http://history1900s.about.com/cs/trumanharry/a/deweytruman.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Truman Show</a> redux perhaps?<br />Brownlee <em>is looking</em> a little 'Dewey-eyed'</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Meanwhile, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=11282606" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an actual conflict of interest</a>. Pity it can't be blamed on any particular political party, though.
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>coming from the same place I am in saying they’re tired out.</q><br />Which seems to me like some parallel universe where Judith Tizard’s mum failed to talk her out of sliding back in on the list, and Louisa Wall, along with one of the most significant pieces of legislation since…</p>
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						<p><q>I move we have a royal enquiry into the wine bottle.</q><br />I wonder if Winston still has the box it came in.</p>
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						<p><q>examples?</q><br />Got a mirror handy?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Rather, it’s been losing vote share to the Greens (I was one of them) </q> </p><p>That's one of the things the link shows is a pretty minor effect. Which is kind of obvious, since the Greens move in a much smaller range than Labour.</p>
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						<p><q>are you saying they are some sort of sub-sainted vampires!</q></p><p>No, just that they were formed from older existing parties. Also I should correct that Labour was not born in the 30s. That was just when they became seriously relevant. Anyone who was calling them irrelevant in 1972, when they…</p>
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						<p>My comment on that editorial page:</p><p><em>"The retraction you have when you’re not having a retraction”.</em></p><p>At least they acknowledged error, even if it’s a Clayton’s acknowledgement. Still, the comments I've seen so far are mostly calling bollocks, and anyone who’s still hesitating to go to the Press Council, hesitate…</p>
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						<p><strong>not a Catholic then?</strong><br /><q>...but National was really already venerable when it was born.</q><br />are you saying they are some sort of sub-sainted vampires!<br /><q> Venerable (in the Roman Catholic Church) a title given to a deceased person who has attained a certain degree of sanctity but has not been fully…</q></p>
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						<p><q> they’ve don’t have the information to cite a figure like $38,000.</q></p><p>They've also completely failed to demonstrate that there was anything improper in Liu's donations or that Labour did Liu any favours in exchange for that cash. But still they insist:</p><p><q>Next we revealed Mr Cunliffe, a day after denying…</q></p>
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						True. But a lot has happened since 1972. That's pretty much my entire life. During that time, Labour got almost twice as old. It went from being a middle aged party to a venerable one. National did also, but National was really already venerable when it was born.
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>I think Labour’s trouble is much deeper than any lack of talent. I think it’s just an old, worn out idea. It doesn’t speak to young people.</q></p><p>You may be right, but it's a very old song. The long-defunct Australian <em>Nation-Review</em> described the upcoming NZ election in terms of a…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>The Herald editorial uses 539 words before it finally gets to this:</p><p>    We regret having reported inflated and conflated dollar figures.</q></p><p>Well, that's a damn sight better than the precisely zero words (as far as I know) expended on a retraction and apology for the allegations that Len Brown pressured…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Can we have a little more maturity this time, there is too much at stake for this kind of non productive behavior.</q></p><p>This probably doesn’t need to be relitigated, but it’s funny how that “maturity” always seems to be demanded of Greens and not of Labour supporters who start screeching…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>The <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11282539" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald editorial</a> uses 539 words before it finally gets to this:</p><p><q>We regret having reported inflated and conflated dollar figures.</q></p><p>Then:</p><p><q>The core issue remains, however: At a minimum, removing Mr Barker's China trip and a donation to a rowing club the MP's daughter belonged to, Labour faces Liu's claim…</q></p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>An extraordinary editorial in today’s Herald – a master class of how to wrap a retraction in bluster and bad journalism in pious self-righteousness.</p><p>And this from a paper that sees no conflict in one of it's senior reporters, anonymous editorial writers and columnists writing and publishing a breathless hagiography…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Another time,<br />another thread.</q><br />I feel an Only Ones song coming on...</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKuc3faQAEs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKuc3faQAEs</a></p><p>TGIF  ;-  )</p>
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						<p><q>visited the page but forgotten the link</q></p><p>Chris linked to it a few posts above you.</p>
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						<p><q> the problem we had at the last election, Green supporters attacking Labour over imagined sleights</q></p><p>examples?</p>
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						<p><q>It’s good, isn’t it? Casts light on just how weak the claims of voters moving from party to party are. It really is about getting undecideds to vote.</q></p><p>Labour has lost vote share all right, but according to a recent chart of electoral vote share &ndash; visited the page but…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						Just encourage your friends, relations, hamsters, workmates, whoever, to vote labour or greens or internet/mana or even winston first, whichever suits them best. Just show them how National will fuck them over. I know that will only work for 99% of people but, hey, lets be greedy eh?
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						<p><q> I do love it when someone puts up a good fight.</q><br />Back of the bike sheds, 4 o'clock, or the hamster gets it....</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						It’s good, isn’t it? Casts light on just how weak the claims of voters moving from party to party are. It really is about getting undecideds to vote.
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						I hope you all saw <a href="http://www.thepoliticalscientist.org/the-real-story-in-the-fairfax-polls/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this interesting post about that mysterious undecided tribe</a> at The Political Scientist. The statistics are all a bit too technical for me, but what I understood was: Nat and Green support is pretty stable, Labour support fluctuates with the undecided, such that high undecided =…
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						<p><q>The undecided voter is in no way enamored by bickering</q></p><p>I'm undecided about that. I do love it when someone puts up a good fight.</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>I spent the day with Tamati on Tuesday.  He’s smart and insightful ie. not just a pretty face.  I think he will be a great MP.</q></p><p>Yes ,I think people get off on finding the faults without seeing the good. Labour have individuals. They speak their own minds, unlike NAct…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Labour’s trouble is much deeper than any lack of talent. I think it’s just an old, worn out idea.</p><p>You might have to expand on that one a bit.</q><br />That is so sad and so wrong.<br />Labour has always been about those that do the work that makes it possible…</p>
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						OK, looking forward to it.
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Another time, another thread.</q></p><p>I'll finish the e-mail I've been drafting for...erm....some months....You can reply to that.</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						I spent the day with Tamati on Tuesday.  He's smart and insightful ie. not just a pretty face.  I think he will be a great MP.
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p><q>Labour’s trouble is much deeper than any lack of talent. I think it’s just an old, worn out idea</q></p><p>Then how to explain Tamati Coffey and the youth revival thing he is doing in Rotorua?</p>
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						<p><q>You might have to expand on that one a bit.</q></p><p>Another time, another thread.</p>
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						<p><q>Labour’s trouble is much deeper than any lack of talent. I think it’s just an old, worn out idea. </q></p><p>You might have to expand on that one a bit.</p>
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						<p><q>DC was thrust on an unwilling caucus.</q></p><p>Yes, poor caucus. I feel similarly sorry for them as I do for John Key. No one ever told them that their job for life at a massive salary might start looking a bit iffy to the people they claim to represent.</p>
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				<title>Henry Barnard</title>
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						<p><q>If there’s only one factor behind Labour’s current malaise, it’s the fact there are still too many seat-warmers in the current Labour caucus. But it’s no easy feat to tell the seat-warmers to know when to quit.</q></p><p>True and it shows, and also the disunity is obvious: in the theatrics…</p>
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						<p><q>If there’s only one factor behind Labour’s current malaise, it’s the fact there are still too many seat-warmers in the current Labour caucus.</q></p><p>There's some pretty suckful characters in the Nat crowd too. I think Labour's trouble is much deeper than any lack of talent. I think it's just an…</p>
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						<p><q>It seems fair to note that the MP responsible for that brainfart, Clare Curran, seems to have been demoted so far down the 2014 Labour list that she withdrew from the list altogether. There’s not much more the party can do to register disapproval.</p><p>The Greens don't have the complication…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Yeah right.</q></p><p>It seems fair to note that the MP responsible for that brainfart, Clare Curran, seems to have been demoted so far down the 2014 Labour list that she withdrew from the list altogether. There’s not much more the party can do to register disapproval.</p><p>The Greens don't have…</p>
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						<p><q>I can’t see a centre-right coalition between Labour and National working too well.</q></p><p>I can see it working fine, but I don't think it will happen.</p><p>FWIW, I can fully see why Labour don't do an official deal with the Greens. There are pros and cons to such an arrangement.…</p>
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						Claire Curran's been responsible for a few to many mistakes for my liking. Shane Jones too, but he's a least gone.
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						<p><q>Not only was it petty it helped National win by giving the impression that the left were squabbling brats.<br />Can we have a little more maturity this time...</q><br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5491588/Clare-Curran-stirs-blog-controversy" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Yeah</a> <a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/claire-currans-attack-unwarranted-ts-145873" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">right</a>.</p>
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						<p>I do hope we don't have the problem we had at the last election, Green supporters attacking Labour over imagined sleights. Not only was it petty it helped National win by giving the impression that the left were squabbling brats.<br />Can we have a little more maturity this time, there…</p>
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						<p><q>So, we do lose the right to vote.</q></p><p>Good to know, like you said. I must have never met a citizen who had not returned home once in any 3 year period that actually wanted to vote before :-).</p><p>Presumably the embassy doesn't count as NZ soil for these purposes…</p>
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						If rather than registering in advance you flew in on election day and headed for a polling booth, would you be able to get a special vote?
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						<p><q>The Greens are the only ones to expect Labour to do a deal ahead of any others. Why should they get preference?</q></p><p>Because the others, combined, are polling somewhere around half of where the Greens are polling. Anyone, apparently including the Labour caucus, who thinks that the Greens won't be…</p>
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						<p><q>Why refuse to even discuss the possibility of those discussions being needed?</q><br />Not sure detailed policy negotiation pre-election is a good idea at all. Instead, I reckon they need a symbolic public appearance of unity. Helen and Jeanette did something like this in '05, IIRC. <br />It doesn't matter to substance…</p>
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						<q>The way they’re treating the Greens is abominable. Not because they’re being nasty but because they’re behaving like there’s a potential future government that includes Labour and doesn’t include the Greens. Their “We’ll talk about that after the election” reaction to the Greens’ ETS/carbon tax policy, for example, is begging…</q>
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						<p><q>why is it incumbent on Labour to immediately re-assess its own policy because a coalition partner has a different one?</q></p><p>When the only prospect they have of forming government is in a coalition with The Greens it seems like a sensible question to ask. Labour is looking at only being…</p>
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						<p><q>a New Zealand citizen who has been in New Zealand at any point in the past three years</q></p><p>Yes, and I have just got my new passport so I will be spending a weekend in Christchurch shortly, specifically so I can legitimately vote. It's something of a PITA and I'd…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>Not overly, no. The way they’re treating the Greens is abominable. Not because they’re being nasty but because they’re behaving like there’s a potential future government that includes Labour and doesn’t include the Greens. Their “We’ll talk about that after the election” reaction to the Greens’ ETS/carbon tax policy, for…</q>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>NZers get to vote from overseas if they’ve been here at any point in the last three years (even transiting the airport counts, I guess). Permanent residents, it has to be in the last year.</q></p><p>Exactly. I was last in NZ in 2010.</p><p>Ben, by 'expat' I mean any NZer…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>No one told us explicitly that National/ACT came with a Charter Schools done-deal before the last election</q></p><p>No one mentioned charter schools at all during the election campaign. It was Act policy, which people who'd paid attention to their policy knew, but that was it.</p>
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						<p><q>“It’s too risky to vote for you, because your government is going to include the Greens and you won’t tell us about how you’ll handle this major policy of a key partner.”</q><br /><em>Contrast and Compare with:</em><br />No one told us explicitly that National/ACT came with a Charter Schools done-deal before…</p>
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						NZers get to vote from overseas if they've been here at any point in the last three years (even transiting the airport counts, I guess). Permanent residents, it has to be in the last year.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>    <br /><em>Labour are doing their damnedest to not win this election, and succeeding admirably.</em></p><p>A bit harsh, don’t you think?</q></p><p>Not overly, no. The way they’re treating the Greens is abominable. Not because they’re being nasty but because they’re behaving like there’s a potential future government that includes Labour and doesn’t…</p>
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						I'm a bit confused, Chris. Are you using the term expat to mean people who are not NZ citizens, but became permanent residents, and then left? Because NZ citizens don't lose their right to vote, as far as I'm aware.
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						Staying overseas longer than 3 years. The limit is only 1 year for permanent residents. I have been told I could work out a way around that by claiming a home base in NZ, but I could not in good conscience do that considering I haven't actually seen any of…
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Be careful.</q></p><p>I know. I'm watching this most nervously. Unfortunately I won't be back in time to reclaim my right to vote*, so I'm relying on you lot to help keep that threat at bay.</p><p>*Well, yes, I could, but that wouldn't be fair on my family, boss or students.</p>
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						<p><q>that Labour are doing their damnedest to not win this election, and succeeding admirably.</q></p><p>A bit harsh, don't you think? There have been some quite interesting policy announcements, and the aggression shown in fighting this non-scandal has been a welcome breath of fresh air.</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>I emphasise: the number one reason we’re leaving China next Chinese New Year.</q><br />Be careful. <br />Dear Education Leader Parata, insofar as any human has been able to decipher her pronouncements, wishes NZ to emulate the startling success of Shanghai's schools.</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Isn’t the Granny showing <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-life-goes-on/?p=74409#post74409" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">signs of cartel-like behaviour</a>?</p><p>In any case, I don't mind if media outlets nail their colours to a mast. What I would very much appreciate is being honest about it, and who, if anyone, pays them to be.</p>
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						<p><q>Now who is living in fantasy land?</q></p><p>It's dreams like that that keep me from remembering that Labour are doing their damnedest to not win this election, and succeeding admirably.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>he’s comfortable with that…</q><br />And relaxed no doubt.</p>
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						<p><q>I would say one full front-page piece about Granny’s appalling journalistic standards, with the following six days required to carry a front-page above-the-fold reminder that they are fucking hacks.</q><br />Now who is living in fantasy land?.<br />;-)</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						One up-side to the Press Council, they can now specify where "clarifications" are published. I would say one full front-page piece about Granny's appalling journalistic standards, with the following six days required to carry a front-page above-the-fold reminder that they are fucking hacks.
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>it seems he doesn’t even know about money, which was his big thing.</q><br />That's because he decided he had enough (millions), and he's comfortable with that...</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>As for the firing of ministers: </q><br />We he wasn’t known as the “Smiling Assassin” for nothing.<br /><q>John Key – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br />en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Key<br />Some co-workers called him “the smiling assassin” for maintaining his usual cheerfulness while sacking dozens (some say hundreds) of staff after heavy losses …<br />‎New Zealand…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Buy, hey, priorities, people.</q></p><p>Totally. The snippets read like the biggest white whine I've ever read in my life. Oh the adversity!! Someone recorded what the Chief of Spies was saying in a public meeting!! His mate in that meeting turned out to have dealings with someone he set his…</p>
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						<p>So that is why the Herald has been slack on the job of being a proper newspaper, they are concentrating on John Key's deification, or is that defecation?<br /><q>"I want to be able to look down the camera 100 per cent and say, 'I don't have a clue what I…</q></p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p><q>Yeah, cos political corruption, the destruction wrought by gambling addiction, paying teachers and our kids' education* are just minor things. Not at all important.</q></p><p>Nailed it. The affected laziness around process may well be his legacy and, living in Sydney, it's very very easy to see where it leads. The…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Electioneering?</q></p><p>Well, it's got a name on it, but I thought an address was also necessary. </p><p>But:</p><p><q>Roughan writes that Mr Key's frustration began with the "Teagate" saga surrounding the taping of his conversation with Act candidate John Banks at a Newmarket cafe during the 2011 election campaign.</p><p>For the…</q></p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Hagiography, already. A bit early, isn’t it? When will the first reports of miracles appear? </q></p><p>Electioneering? Who is paying for that?</p>
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						<p><q> It was like that when I got there”</q></p><p>That's what he says at every Question time,<br />"Well I can't tell you about that but what I will say is this, Labour did it first in  (insert any random number or decade and report or news clipping here)"</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>- it’s here at last!</q></p><p>Hagiography, already. A bit early, isn't it? When will the first reports of miracles appear? Wait, is that an image of John Key's smiley mug I see in the smog smothering this city?</p>
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						<p><q>a thinly veiled publicity vehiclefor Key’s new tee shirt range:<br />“Nothing I could do about it.<br /> Didn’t know about it,<br /> didn’t authorise it,<br /> wasn’t part of it. …”</q><br />But he knew about<br /> <q>Kate Wilkinson and Phil Heatley would have had no inkling of their fate when they were summoned to…</q></p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><em>The Herald</em> still can't get its captions right <br />&ndash; the chilling book <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11281699" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">excerpt</a> has a photo of the book cover purporting to be an aerial shot of the key family compound in Parnell...</p><p>... and in the actual aerial photo <br />&ndash; I have to say that it don't look Parkour-proof!<br />(I'd…</p>
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						<p>Part of the reason people are so outraged about this is most New Zealanders don’t have a clue just how awful our corporate media (TV, radio and newsprint) actually is now. When I travel, it is embarassing to re-discover just how bad our news and currents affairs are now.</p><p>The…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>Meanwhile <br />&ndash; it’s here at last!<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11281836" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <strong> <em>Roughan Ready: </strong><br />The John Key Years</em></a></p><p>a thinly veiled publicity vehicle<br />for Key’s new tee shirt range:<br /><q>"Nothing I could do about it. <br />Didn’t know about it, <br />didn’t authorise it, <br />wasn’t part of it. …"</q></p><p>[edit: Bart Simpson's lawyers are on…</p>
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						<p><strong>Funfair for the common man...</strong><br /><q>Probably not. <br />It’s a pretty common name.</q><br />Good God man, are you trying <br />to quench the very basic spark <br />of the gambling urge...</p><p>;-  )</p>
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						<p><q>Is the Paul Liu in that story <br />any relation to Donghua Liu?</q></p><p>Probably not. It's a pretty common name.</p>
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						<p><q>Keith Ng wrote about Steven Ching in 2005</q><br />Is the Paul Liu in <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10126831" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">that story</a> <br />any relation to Donghua Liu?</p>
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						<p>The <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11281832" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">final evolution of the “second statement” Liu story</a> is in this morning’s paper. It contains one new element – the role of Steven Ching.</p><p><q>The man who hoped to be the first Chinese MP for the Labour Party has emerged as a central figure in the donation claims of Donghua…</q></p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Looks like at least one of us is refusing to take this laying down.</q></p><p>There are so many to complain about, but I've started with Armstrong being inaccurate, unbalanced.He's the Chief Political Commentator. I'm actually just really sick of his articles always rubbishing Labour. I'll be waiting for 10 days…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Like I have been saying all along, they just made it up. <br />When real people do shit like this and do the kind of damage that the Herald and the National Party, especially John Key, have done to the Labour Party and hence Democracy they are held to account.<br />I…</p>
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						Looks like at least <a href="http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2014/06/25/wtf/#comment-113439" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">one of us</a> is <a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/take-action-against-the-herald/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">refusing to take this laying down</a>.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 23:57:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I hope somebody’s keeping screenshots or printing hard copies</q></p><p>LOL. You know there are still people around who only get printouts? These are the people who pay for the Herald.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:40:06 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Well, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_MA60" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">MA60</a> has had 9 accidents out of 80 delivered and hasn't been certified by anywhere in the developed world apart from China. </p><p>It may a perfectly fine aircraft, but the makers can't be bothered with the paperwork to certify it and the recipients of free airliners tend not…</p>
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						<p><q>Because defamation litigation is hard, long, expensive and uncertain. A quick smack round the chops from the press council would be a better strategy, if it's an option.</q></p><p><a href="http://presscouncil.org.nz/complaint_form.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">What are we waiting for then?</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:11:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>A rowing club being a club for having rows and arguments?</q></p><p>One of those classic loony lefty things? Hawkes Bay Rowing Club vs. Rowing Club of Hawkes Bay? </p><p>Tangential to a tangent off a tangent, but it's gifts originating in China finding their way to the South Pacific: Xinhua's Anhui…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>arguments</q></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y</a></p>
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						It could be an English language thing. A rowing club being a club for having rows and arguments?
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>The current version explicitly confirms that Liu counted the...</q><br />...Rowing Club donation as a donation to Labour.<br />How does that work?</p><p>He says he donated<br /><q>...in good faith and without expectation</q> <br />to both governments/parties</p><p>How does a rowing club then equate with the Labour Party?</p>
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						<p><q>Fucksake. And of course the $150,000 the Herald alleged just four days ago has gone right down the memory hole.</p><p>This really isn’t good enough.</q></p><p>Sounds like they're starting to venture into <em>Dewey Defeats Truman</em> territory.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>The current version explicitly confirms that Liu counted the $60,000 he claims to have spent on the staff dinner in the “close to” $100,000 he “believes” he donated to Labour, but <em>still</em> says this:</p><p><q>His confirmation of the total sum of $100,000 will still leave Labour with a headache as…</q></p>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>The Herald keeps "updating" (i.e. changing) its online story. Small but significant changes in vocabulary, gradually rowing back. Last one 5 mins ago.</p><p>I hope somebody's keeping screenshots or printing hard copies.</p>
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						<p>I believe the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_privilege" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">qualified privilege</a> would apply to the Herald reporting Key's public statements, but not to originating the story itself. </p><p>Dragging Key and the Herald through the courts during the next National government would have certain advantages in tainting his brand. The ideal situation would involve him managing to…</p>
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						<p>I'd definitely use the Press Council option first, and only resort to a libel suit if all other avenues are exhausted. Meanwhile on the Fairfax web, I'm only surprised that it didn't have a dig at its biggest newspaper rival...</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10198526/David-Cunliffe-wants-apology-from-Donghua-Liu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">David Cunliffe wants apology from Donghua Liu</a></p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						I would be inclined to go with a slander action against Key and the Herald, simply because I think that in an advanced democracy a major daily paper of record working hand in glove with the PM simply can't be allowed to get away with concocting complete fabrications that smear…
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						It's hard to know which is the better strategy. Press council would probably work, and might work quickly. It's the low risk strategy. But the go-for-broke is to cement their negative campaign on National with actual charges of slander against the PM, who was foolish enough to make these claims…
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				<title>Ana Simkiss</title>
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						<p>Because defamation litigation is hard, long, expensive and uncertain. A quick smack round the chops from the press council would be a better strategy, if it's an option.</p><p>as far as it goes, I doubt they'd win a case against Liu (who made no defamatory allegations) or the Herald (qualified…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 14:26:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the full force of a Press Council ruling </q></p><p>that feather tickles</p>
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						<p><q>They seem to be considering action more against Liu.</q></p><p>This can of worms only opens from the inside?</p>
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						The whole affair is getting more and more contrived by the minute. Seems the Granny is too embarrassed to issue a retraction, so now it shifts the goalposts? In this case, nothing less than the full force of a Press Council ruling will do.
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						They seem to be considering action more against Liu.
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						<p>Why? It's quite possibly libel.</p><p>It isn't like <em>Lange v Atkinson</em>, which was about a vague allegation of being a "lazy prime minister", it's more like <em>Lange v ABC</em> which was about a specific allegation of buying influence. Lange won the latter case (in Australia).</p><p>Apart from anyone else, a…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>This is a very dumb idea.</q></p><p>I am not sure if Labour has much choice, or much to lose. They have no choice because this orchestrated farrago of lies and innuendo from the Herald and the National Party cannot be allowed to simply die and leave a bad impression. Not…</p>
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						<p><q>RNZ reports Labour considering legal options.</q></p><p>This is a very dumb idea. </p><p>Media types, any mileage in a Press Council complaint on this?</p>
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						RNZ reports Labour considering <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/248160/apology-demanded-over-liu-donation" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">legal options</a>.
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>One picture tells many stories...?</strong><br /><q>As Rob notes, Liu has changed his story –</q><br />or the Herald has...</p><p>Wednesday June 18:<br /><q>A Labour Cabinet Minister presented a bottle of wine to the partner of businessman Donghua Liu at a fundraiser for the party.<br />The Herald has obtained a photograph of…</q></p>
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						<p><q>And the $150,000 is now clearly and absolutely wrong. I think a more explicit clarification from the Herald is very much in order now.</q></p><p>I'm pretty sure that a "clarification" that completely contradicts something said earlier is technically called a retraction. </p><p>ETA: Although I'd settle for them choosing a sacrificial…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>As Rob notes, <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11281460" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Liu has changed his story</a> &mdash; and if I'm reading this right, he counts the $50-60,000 dinner for his staff as part of the "nearly" $100,000 he claims to have donated to Labour.</p><p>So the fabled"$100,000 for a bottle of wine" &mdash; which is now explicitly <em>less</em> than…</p>
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						<p><q> I’d be feeling bloody ashamed if I was them.</q></p><p>I'd be worried about getting sued.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						Sorry if I missed others’ discussion of it, but <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=11280946" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rudman’s piece today</a> on rich buffoons largely sums up my concerns.
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						<p>Damage done, move the conversation on. <br />The PM is washing his hands of it: “That’s something for Labour and Liu to work out”. As if <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2600363/key-says-he&#039;s-&#039;very-confident&#039;-liu-gave-big-donation-to-labour" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">he</a> and his party had no part in spreading the story when it looked bad for Labour.<br />The Herald and Liu are <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11281460" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">back-pedalling</a> and covering their…</p>
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						<p>So this story has simply vanished from Herald and Stuff today. What happened? Not that I’m interested, but I was expecting it to go on and on (actually I was counting on it to get me past my last exams, safely away from the Internet). </p><p>I’m sensing it got shut…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:01:42 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>We NZers really just don't care</q></p><p>more the problem, yes. Guys like that can't do their thing without our approval, no matter how misguided.</p>
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						And frankly Craig R, whilst I understand you know the ins and outs of  accounting and probably what National are capable of, I'll take it you know more than me and I'll take it, you aren't that impressed, but to insinuate that Labour do dodgy deals <em>because </em> the law…
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						<p><q>yolky blowback</q></p><p>I’m not uberstanding this ….. it seems to me , if anyone needs answers to verify <em>anything,</em> avoidance is suppression and journalists need to be getting their Jon Stephenson thing on if they want respec’</p>
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						<p><q> Does this PM really not grasp the difference between a politician and a journo?</q></p><p>The Fuknuckle thinks he's everyone to everything. His shit don't stink. We NZers really just don't care. Snapper is more important than democracy . Insurers are more important than Chch residents. He can't understand that Mauis…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:18:35 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q> <em>His comment comes as Labour readies big legal guns for its defence in the event evidence of improper donations from Liu emerges.</em></p><p>“In the event’ seems a little coy?</q></p><p>They’d be morons if they didn’t seek to establish their legal position in the event of anything unfortunate being discovered. Jeez.…</p>
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						Just heard the RNZ news clip. Outrageous. Does this PM really not grasp the difference between a politician and a journo?
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						<p>Rowing Club. And a wine auction for a Hospice seems nowt to do with Labour. So, so far ,there is $2000 to a rowing Club that Barker's daughter rows at and Barker introduced Liu to.  Barker has <em> never</em> said he didn't know Liu, quite the opposite. <br />TBH, I'm now…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:09:05 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>electoral finance</q><br />Seems to me that<br />National oft equates <br />'electoral' with 'folderol'<br />watch Epsom &amp; Ohariu<br />jump through the hoopla</p>
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						<p><q>Prime Minister John Key &ndash; who has known of Donghua Liu's claims of large donations to the Labour Party for some weeks &ndash; today said he was not aware of any suggestions Labour did not follow the rules with regard to any such payments.</q><br />Nudge nudge wink wink, 'Cunliffe's letter…</p>
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						<p><q>Savage took up Whaleoil’s Len Brown story and pivoted the whole thing to point at the perpetrators.</q><br />Palino disappeared in a puff of denial – it’s like he was never there.</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11280804" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The donation to the Hawke's Bay Rowing Club has been confirmed</a>.</p><p>Further down the story:</p><p><q>Mr Key revealed yesterday that he had known of Liu's statement for some weeks.</p><p>However, this morning he said he had no information on whether the donations claimed by Liu had been handled improperly by Labour.…</q></p>
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						<p><q>He’d cite some variant of free and frank advice from Ede et al</q></p><p>Except that that only plays for OIA requests. Unless he was going to try and play the "national security/police methods" card to blunt discovery, he'd have no choice about disclosure when presented with a lawsuit; I can't…</p>
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						<p>If the Labour leadership were to sue John Key for libel over the $100k bottle allegation, he wouldn't be able to protect his source, not being a journalist.</p><p>(And it's a specific allegation, not general political debate like calling someone a bigot, and its against a small, identifiable group of…</p>
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						<q>FWIW I don’t think it’s bias, apart from the pile-on effect when journos get the smell of political blood. I think it’s sloppy, but also the Herald got played. Of course Tim Murphy will ‘protect their source.’ But a/ they can’t be happy about being so manipulated, and b/ there’s…</q>
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						<q>To be blunt as a cosh to the back of the head – you’d expect him to just throw up his hands and say “fair cop” if he did? Congratulations, this is a system of nudge-nudge wink-wink plausibly deniable political money laundering that is working exactly to spec. Fuck it,…</q>
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						<p><q> I hope this does burn Labour down to the ground</q> <br />You'd want to qualify that, surely, with <em> 'if they took dodgy money and/or didn't declare donations'</em> <br />Because usually you do seem to feel the facts matter. <br />Worth remembering all the fuss and stink about the EFA, where __ Labour…</p>
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						<p><q> I hope this does burn Labour down to the ground, and flashes back to char-grill National in the process.</q></p><p>Be careful what you wish for. The more likely outcome (comparing and contrasting the media treatments just posted by Rob) is that Labour gets burned, and National carries on doing worse…</p>
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						<p>Just for contrast- here’s the Herald headline from the weekend. No quotation marks, or indications this is a claim, allegation, or slur. (Plus additional assertions about another $15000 and that Cunliffe had to fight to keep his job – based on no discernible evidence.)<br />And also some random Oravida reporting-…</p>
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