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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>whatever the transgressions of his comments brigade, David [Farrar] is a decent guy.</q></p><p>Still retain this perspective, Russell?  ;-)</p>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						I'd say the argument over espresso equipment vs. daily spend on coffee is pretty much a textbook proof of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimes%27_boots#Vimes.27_Boots" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Vimes' Boots</a> argument.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:46:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<p>@Eddie Clark</p><blockquote><p>Tis a pity they pour so much of their malt into blends.</p></blockquote><p>The notes with the unpeated Caol says they have been making it for decades and selling it for blending. So perhaps their attitude has changed. Anyway it is a different wrinkle, we have un or lightly…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:55:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p>@ Che</p><blockquote><p>but at the office? in the artificial quiet and the air conditioning? almost possible to concentrate.<br />the $3.50 is money well-spend.</p></blockquote><p>You got it!  I do my best writing by far surrounded by people.  Also the fact that I cannot procrastinate easily &ndash; no "polishing the goldfish" is possible…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:39:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Eddie Clark</title>
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						<p>@ Peter Ashby:</p><p>"Keep your eyes peeled for the unpeated Caol Isla and Ardbegs then."</p><p>Yes, there's this amazing whisky pub in Bowmore on islay with a huge range of islay whiskies by the dram.  I had a (rather expensive) dram of a Cadenhead 13 y/o sherry finish Caol Isla,…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Rachel: as your investment adviser, I must point out that $3.50 per weekday, invested at a net 5% return (not unreasonable for KiwiSaver) would return almost $12,000 over 10 years.
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						@rachel <blockquote>At the moment I am finding my $3.50 &ndash; $4 a day gets me space to work on my laptop, read the paper, meet people, generally be productive, and enjoy a good cup of coffee. It might be better to put the money in Kiwisaver, but a little bit…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 07:53:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The winners are Paul Rose</p></blockquote><p>You mean Paul doesn't get a ticket by rights? After his bloody contribution to NZ music over the years....a wee bit shocking that is.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 23:59:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<p>@ Eddie  Clark<br />Keep your eyes peeled for the unpeated Caol Isla and Ardbegs then. I have the Caol Isla and my tasting notes simply say 'Honeyed green melon', it is delicious. As a peat/smoke/seaweed freak who tends to drink them as digestives I used to use Scapa as a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:54:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<p>@ Russell re Talisker</p><blockquote><p>16 yo that I got duty-free in Singapore last year, which is smooth but shows the way some of these whiskies can lose their zest with age.</p></blockquote><p>Hmm I have the distillery bottling of the 18yo Talisker and I don't recognise that comment. Sure the fire…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:44:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<p>@Mark you have to be willing to go online for good whisky if you live in Dunedin. Is Meenan's still there? they used to be willing to order bottles for you.</p><p>@ Islander As for Lagavulin, yes, yes, yes. It is my 2nd favourite after the inimitable Talisker but the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:36:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Eddie Clark</title>
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						For a cheapish (80 bucks) slightly idiosyncratic Islay, I can highly recommend the Bruichladdich "Rocks".  Very very lightly peated, ridiculously easy to drink, and the cheapest one in their range.  I indulged in a trip to Islay last month and tried a few of their new lines at the distillery…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:10:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I notice there seems to be a lot more BDO ads around year this year &ndash; someone was wondering last night if it's because they're worried that people in the south have cottoned on that the same headliners are playing BDO in Sydney and it's often cheaper to fly there…
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<blockquote><p>with your current setup you will never be able to get espresso as good as what a cafe can make.</p></blockquote><p>I had realised that.  Home coffee is restricted to "working from home need caffeine hit urgently" time.   My niece is more than happy wiht the quality of the fluffies though.…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Thanks for those suggestions Russell &ndash; I've tried Talisker in a couple of different year-bottlings (and certainly enjoyed those) but those 2 sound exponentially better...
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Also: <em>Still</em> don't have it quite right with the new grinder. It's not just finding the new grind, it's developing a muscle-memory for the right tamp. There's something unquantifiable about it.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>@Islander:</p><blockquote><p>Peter &ndash; Lagavulin?<br />When I get a royalty cheque, I buy Lagavulins I havent yet tried...my extreme indulgence...<br />Mark Harris &ndash; you can get cask-strength Laphroaig from Whisky Galore in Christchurch &amp; Meehams in Dunedin-</p></blockquote><p>If you ever run out of Lagavullins to sample, can I recommend two Talisker private…</p>
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				<title>Jan Farr</title>
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						I had a look at Whaleoil for the first time (I'm newish to this, you  understand and still think I ought to be cleaning the kitchen floor instead &ndash; and that's probably true) &ndash; but heavens to betsy &ndash; as they say somewhere on the planet &ndash; who could be…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And I see Mr. Slater is now trying to bully poneke, the hubris of him and his offsiders is truly astonishing to behold.</p></blockquote><p>Quite:</p><p>"Let me tell you one thing though Poneke, get anything wrong and I’m going to gun for you on the blog."</p><p>What a <em>dick</em>.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And Russell since you are still up I am really looking forward to your spin of the Palin Biden debate outcome. Obama was nice and won the people, McCain was right but lost. Palin-Biden seems to be reversed.</p></blockquote><p>How so? The CBS and CNN snap polls gave it to Biden…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>@jon_knox<br />Totally with you on Opera, speshly the built in eMail client and the notes feature (excellent for research, copy to note and you have the clip you want saved and if you double click the note it will take you back to the site it came from well handy)…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						And I see Mr. Slater is now trying to bully poneke, the hubris of him and his offsiders is truly astonishing to behold.
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Apropos Mr W Oil and friends &ndash; isn't it hilarious that these fierce critics of the "mainstream media" fail at the fundamentals of journalism.</p><p>Phil Kitchen may have looked at this, and he should have. It's his job. But did you see a series of teaser articles in the DomPost?…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Got any good pointers (or links) on home roasting? I've thought about it (creating marvelous new blends etc) but I'm nervous about wasting the beans by making them undrinkable.</p></blockquote><p>A couple of good starting points:</p><p><a href="http://coffeesnobs.com.au/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Coffee Snobs</a><br /><a href="http://www.sweetmarias.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sweet Maria's</a></p><p>Green beans are between $10 and $15 per kg, so it's…</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Slater obviously more intelligent than given credit for.</p></blockquote><p>interestingly, that still makes him an idiot.</p>
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				<title>jon_knox</title>
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						<p>If anyone is still awake after my comment about browsers, I'd encourage them to view the <a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1684742" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Media7</a> that Russell linked to earlier.  </p><p>Ater reading many/most "news articles", I find myself feeling that I've gained absolutely nothing in doing so and consumed a collasal waste of time.  </p><p>Well played Media 7…</p>
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						As much as I think Russell should never mention Whaleoil on PAS again and that the use of a honey trap is underhand, I take a small amount of pleasure from the fact that Whaleoil might just be smart enough to have doubt about any info (scandalous or otherwise) that…
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>@Islander<br />And you can order online! That's lovely, thanks.  (except for the prices &ndash; aiyeeee!)</p><p>Lagavulin's nice as well.</p><p>And now I find that Wilson's <a href="http://www.whiskygalore.co.nz/webstore/home.php?cat=258" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Lammerlaw is reborn as Milford</a>, I might give that a try as well. IMHO Lammerlaw was a fne drop, and up there with many I've…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Peter &ndash; Lagavulin?<br />When I get a royalty cheque, I buy Lagavulins I havent yet tried...my extreme indulgence...<br />Mark Harris &ndash; you can get cask-strength Laphroaig from Whisky Galore in Christchurch &amp; Meehams in Dunedin-</p><p>I'm a coffee afficionado, but my small serious espresso machine lives in my van. For everyday…</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>@Stephen<br />Got any good pointers (or links) on home roasting? I've thought about it (creating marvelous new blends etc) but I'm nervous about wasting the beans by making them undrinkable.</p><p>Like a forgettable brewing experience from the past. (I've never seen so many bottles explode...)</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>"conspiracise"???</p><p>Nice neologism, I may steal it!</p>
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				<title>sagenz</title>
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						And Russell since you are still up I am really looking forward to your spin of the Palin Biden debate outcome.  Obama was nice and won the people, McCain was right but lost.  Palin-Biden seems to be reversed.
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				<title>sagenz</title>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>its like turning up to a wine tasting with Marque Vue.</p></blockquote><p>Kind of. But if you really like Marque Vue, and those poor saps are paying $100 a bottle, who's getting value for money?</p><p>I am a <a href="http://vital.org.nz/entry/tag/coffee" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ferocious coffee snob</a> but I freely acknowledge I'm taking it past reasonable levels.…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Now I wonder whether Russell has subtly but deliberately outed Clinton Smith as the initiator. If so, ups to you sir.</p></blockquote><p>If <em>not</em>, actually. Way to conspiracise though!</p>
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						<blockquote><p>joke that went too far</p></blockquote><p>I jumped on the outrage wagon at first reading that headline.  </p><p>Now I wonder whether Russell has subtly but deliberately outed Clinton Smith as the initiator.  If so, ups to you sir.  It was a nasty attempt to scam Slater, hoping he would post the…</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>@Peter<br />I quite liked the Bruichladdich I had a couple of years ago (I think it might have been on special at Glengarry's) and I'm currently on a cask-strength Laphroaig (courtesy duty free, as you never see it in NZ). Was your "unless" positive or negative? I agree with you…</p>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Cultivating connoisseurship beyond what you already like is making a rod for your own back.</p></blockquote><p>Wise words. As a connoisseur of fine single malt whisky the only Speysiders I have are for culinary purposes. It is isn't that I don't like them, just that they don't do anything for me.…</p>
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				<title>Tim Welch</title>
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						<blockquote><p>you will never be able to get espresso as good as what a cafe can make.</p></blockquote><p>@Stephen Judd: Now I have my Domobar Super and Masser Mini I reckon I get a better coffee at home than 95% of cafes in AKL &ndash; working from home got all that much…</p>
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				<title>Ron Wilson</title>
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						Twinings Darjeeling is available in the UK shop Browns Bay. However there are other good Tea Merchants around. AHa in The Stables in Elliot Street, Chapters in Mt Eden. Chapters have a very wide range of Teas and of course you can partake on premises and read a magazine or…
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				<title>Susan Snowdon</title>
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						<blockquote><p>(Yorkshire, Earl Grey, Irish or English breakfast, caravan, gunpowder, green &ndash; we offer the lot) ...</p></blockquote><p>Leopold (or any other tea afficiondo): I haven't been able to get Twinings Darjeeling tea for ages. It used to be available intermittently from local supermarkets. Any idea where I might find it these…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>except the S&amp;L crisis was sooooooo tiny and minor compared with what we are witnessing now.<br />i'm not being facetious either. it was a big deal then.<br />but the magnitude of the current "problem" is, well, almost incomprehensible.<br />you may have noticed that more than 30% of all US bank deposits…</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>And, it being Friday, here's a link I came across about the last major bailout (also by a Bush, but at the beginning of his term, rather than the end) the <a href="http://www.fdic.gov/bank/historical/s&amp;l/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Savings and Loan crisis</a> in the 1980's.</p><p>I was working for PostBank at the time and travelling from Wellington to…</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Cultivating connoisseurship beyond what you already like is making a rod for your own back.</p></blockquote><p>Zigackly!</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<p>@Che</p><blockquote><p>you know, i think it's actually *more* of an insult to cameron that no-one gives a shit what he's up to?</p></blockquote><p>You know, I had scrolled back half a page to see who you were referring to before it struck me? Rly.</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Rachel: it's hard to say. Realistically, you can't get a great shot from the uneven grind of a blade grinder. On the other hand, ground coffee loses aroma in minutes. I reckon you'd probably get more consistent shots with pre-ground. But in any event, if you are a dedicated coffee…
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				<title>Tim Welch</title>
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						<p>@Rachel Prosser: Have a good read of <a href="http://coffeegeek.com/guides/howtobuyanespressomachine/getagrinder" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://coffeegeek.com/guides/howtobuyanespressomachine/getagrinder</a></p><p>But basically don't skimp on the grinder.</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						you know, i think it's actually *more* of an insult to cameron that no-one gives a shit what he's up to?
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p>Ok caffeinistas</p><p>Dare I ask, but if you don't feel like shelling out $500 for a perfect burr grinder, and you've currently got a basic spice grinder thingie and standard home espresso machine (not plumbed in to anything!) then:</p><p>Which is best:<br />Basic el cheapo grinder (less than $100) or…</p>
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				<title>Jarrod Baker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Ah! I could get behind that! How much did it set you back?</p></blockquote><p>It was about $80. But immediately afterwards I discovered while in Moore Wilsons that the price from a non-specialist retailer should be something more like $60.</p><blockquote><p>I'm not aware of a manual grinder that will do a…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						<p>Funnily enough, it's gone quiet in here.</p><p>Could it possibly be that all PA-ers are watching the Biden/Palin debate?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Karl or McManus?</p></blockquote><p>How about option c) none of the above? :)</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>@Evan<br />It seems to integrate well with Google reader which, I guess you could just have it running in a separate tab. I'll have a play with that.</p>
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<p>I use a manual grinder.  It's an antique Spong #1 similar to <a href="url=http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/02/07/handcranked-spong-co.html">this one</a>.</p><p>It set me back USD 60 about 6 years ago, not sure what the price is these days.  The grind coarseness can be set, and it makes an excellent plunger coffee.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>wannabe Roves either</em></p><p>Karl or McManus?</p></blockquote><p>Boom boom!</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Broadband through TelstraClear.</p></blockquote><p>Mine's via Vodafone &mdash; so they're both wholesaled DSL connections ...</p>
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				<title>Evan Yates</title>
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						<blockquote><p>wannabe Roves either</p></blockquote><p>Karl or McManus?</p>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						Broadband through TelstraClear.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Craig, I am well aware that Labour, etc, are no saints. But I was refering specifically to the likes of Whaleoil and co, not National or the right in general.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks for that, Grant.  Sincerely.  One nice this about PAS is that it attracts a nice crowd, who don't deserve…</p>
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				<title>Evan Yates</title>
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						<p>@Steve Barnes</p><blockquote><p>I'm just trying out the new  Google Chrome Browser. Not Mac ready yet , or linux, but I like it. very snappy an full of tricky tweaks</p></blockquote><p>Yep. I had a go with Google Chrome as well and was also impressed with its <strong>snappy</strong> performance.<br />However one thing…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hi Russell. If I try to watch the TVNZ on demand, I get the soundtrack but no visual. Just says, "sorry this content is not available to view". What am I doing wrong? It has worked for me in the past</p></blockquote><p>It's not you!</p><p>I've been trying to help them…</p>
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				<title>Leopold</title>
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						<p>As a confirmed tea-drinker, I am amazed by the obsession of coffee drinkers &ndash; special dinky li'l bean grinders, special baristas, special whatevers<br />&ndash; chez nous, if we get some unfortunate guest who expresses a preference for coffee, out comes the old semi-solid nescafe &ndash; in post modern irony sort…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>AAAARRGGGGHHHH!!!!!<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECnLk5WN5wc " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> How to make really bad coffee in one really boring lesson</a><br />@Gareth Cool gearz ;-)</p><p>I'm just trying out the new <a href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2329247,00.asp " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Google Chrome Browser</a>. Not Mac ready yet , or linux, but I like it. very snappy an full of tricky tweaks</p>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						Hi Russell. If I try to watch the TVNZ on demand, I get the soundtrack but no visual. Just says, "sorry this content is not available to view". What am I doing wrong? It has worked for me in the past.
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				<title>Felix</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That sort of thinking leads, almost inevitably, to the home Cocktail Bar.</p></blockquote><p>Nah, it leads to home distilling. And that can be a dangerously fun place to be lead to.</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hey, can you tell where one can buy a decent coffee grinder at an economical price Mr. Brown?</p></blockquote><p>Consumer org recommend a particular model available from... Starbucks!</p>
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						There is one big difference with all of these.  They don't involve making up damaging rumours about an innocent third party.
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						Rich:<blockquote>Entrapment of dodgy commentators in this way is just the same thing as the liquor licensing people do when they tart up 17-year olds and send them into bottle shops, isn't it? Or the BBC did when they infiltrated a police college in England and taped the trainees racist outbursts.…</blockquote>
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						Steve, when I researched grinders at that price point, <a href="http://www.alturacoffee.co.nz/shop/Domestic+Equipment/Grinders/Rocky+S.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> was where I ended up going...
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Clinton Smith is a bright young man. Under his blogging name, Steve Pierson, he's often sharp and energetic, and he does good graphs. He could be a serious commentator &mdash; if he can develop some impulse control.</p></blockquote><p>Clinton was part of the team that produced kiwiblogblog &ndash; an experiement that…</p>
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Nah, I use a manual grinder.</p></blockquote><p>No doubt fashioned from a refurbished bicycle but with rimu trim (it adds to the flavour, you see).</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						russell... i dunno if you want to know this... but i have in my possession an email that states that your new coffee grinder may, or may not, have been used to "grind the beans" of a prominent member of the auckland city council before being put back in the…
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						You peaked my interest on the coffee grinder front I'm looking at one of <a href="http://www.thehomestoreonline.co.nz/shop/Coffee/Coffee+Grinders/KitchenAid+Burr+Grinder+Almond.html " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> these</a> to replace my <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/tikvah1964/KRUPS#5113361556705096594 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Krups 223</a> which does a good job but a bugger to clean (You have to shake it when the beans get stuck in all that gooey coffee goodness)…
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Banks will still lend on espresso machines, won't they?</p></blockquote><p>Sure will &ndash; they'll bundle the grinder loans with more stable Kitchenaid mixer loans and risky derivatives of automated handheld garlic crushers and sell them to Italian dog walkers. </p><p>__I think I've tried a similar CDO joke here before actually. I…</p>
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				<title>Ron Wilson</title>
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						<p>Mmm I think I am more interested in the connection between Slater and Kitchin. It makes me distrustful of other Kitchin writings.<br />Also interesting is the relationship between Slater senior/junior and the National Party. I was under impression that there was little love lost between Slater(s) and Party. Maybe time…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have a 1970s Braun coffee grinder but it's now a bit long in the tooth and tends to make things a bit coarse. It's a great shade of orange, though</p></blockquote><p>My parents have a gorgeous old ceramic blue and white wall-mounted manual grinder that deposits the coffee in a…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Nah, I use a <em>manual</em> grinder. Not only am I thinking of my carbon footprint, but I'll still be drinking coffee after the impending global economic collapse sends the world a bit Mad Max.</p></blockquote><p>There are manual espresso machines that'll let you pull a pretty good shot, but I'm not…</p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p><em>Lets cut the outraged virgin routine? Gleefully re-telling the latest rumour over some beers is human nature. It is NOT the same as constructing a careful laundering process for spreading rumours full of depraved filth.</em></p><blockquote><p>Tom: If you really want to go there, sleazing around the Press Gallery (on a…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>But Kyle, once you've got the best coffee ever happening at home, why would you want to</p></blockquote><p>I sometimes feel shame over it &mdash; it's <em>just a drink</em> &mdash; but we're going to upgrade the five year-old Domobar machine too. It's part of the budget for the long-overdue house extension.…</p>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The cost of one or two espressos per day at cafe prices easily pays for a nice machine + grinder over a couple of years...</p></blockquote><p>That sort of thinking leads, almost inevitably, to the home Cocktail Bar. </p><p>And remember that we folks who go out for our coffee never have to…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd be interested to know what Russell ended up with.</p></blockquote><p>A Mazzer Mini from the nice people at Espresso Engineers. They gave me a very good trade-in on our old Anfim, given that it's very hard to get parts for them now.</p><p>I'll probably spend the rest of the day…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Been in  Adelaide , for an Aust Teachers of Media (ATOM) conference, so I have missed the thread of conversations. Being Friday, anything goes (from hoaxes to grinders), so I was wondering if anyone knows about the EIN news service, which has begun to pop up (unannounced) daily on my…
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						<p>I'd be in with another $100. And a grand if anyone manages to Aitken one of them.</p><p>Entrapment of dodgy commentators in this way is just the same thing as the liquor licensing people do when they tart up 17-year olds and send them into bottle shops, isn't it? Or…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						The cost of one or two espressos per day at cafe prices easily pays for a nice machine + grinder over a couple of years...
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						I think all this crime can be squarely laid at the door of crims shaking people down so they can get the cash needed for the sort modern coffee grinder you need to grind up that crystal meth.
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>a manual grinder</p></blockquote><p>Ah! I could get behind that! How much did it set you back?</p><p>I have a 1970s Braun coffee grinder but it's now a bit long in the tooth and tends to make things a bit coarse. It's a great shade of orange, though!</p>
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				<title>Jarrod Baker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Surely true caffeinistas make homemade coffee grinders from old vacuum cleaners and industrial parts purchased from T&amp;E?</p></blockquote><p>Nah, I use a <em>manual</em> grinder. Not only am I thinking of my carbon footprint, but I'll still be drinking coffee after the impending global economic collapse sends the world a bit Mad…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Seriously. Get out more. That's scary.</p></blockquote><p>But Kyle, once you've got the best coffee ever happening at home, why would you want to?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>it's sad for the media when truth gets in the way of a good story</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, I thought the <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominionpost/4712758a6479.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">editorial spin in the DomPost</a> was a bit off too.</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						<p>Grant said:"What's the bet that should someone reveal something skoddy about a National MP Whaleoil, Hooten, et al, will hypocritically cry foul."</p><p>No No. Not "foul". They say:"Labour is using our money to <strong>dig the dirt</strong> on us good folk"</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And I'm speaking as one who's recently plumbed a second hand commercial espresso machine into the kitchen. The results, however, are worth it!</p></blockquote><p>Seriously. Get out more. That's scary.</p>
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				<title>Rogan Polkinghorne</title>
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						Reason why I love PAS # 76 &ndash; only here would you get a digression from political intrigue/defamation etc to...coffee grinders!
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				<title>Ross Bell</title>
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						A comment on the crime stats thing: in their piece on the crime stats TV3 said "somewhat surprisingly" methamphetamine crime is down.  Well no, that's not surprising, when you consider methamphetamine use has been tracking down over recent years (not that you would read about that on the front page).…
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				<title>Julian Melville</title>
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						Yeah unfortunately once you start down the slippery coffee slope, it can be a wild ride. And I'm speaking as one who's recently plumbed a second hand commercial espresso machine into the kitchen. The results, however, are worth it!
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				<title>David Ritchie</title>
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						Surely true caffeinistas make homemade coffee grinders from old vacuum cleaners and industrial parts purchased from T&E?
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						Well I don't think I paid more than $200 for my grinder. I admit I haven't managed to get a proper ristretto without cheating (opening the steam wand as the coffee's drawing) yet, but I don't have a tamper that's the right size or possibly the right kind of basket.…
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						Craig: I agree with you on the making you sick thing.
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						<p>A second hand Mazzer? That sounds quite vulgar. I wonder if should email Wahaleoil about it.</p><p><br />FIVE HUNDRED NOTES????? Can't I just, you know, sidle up to the cheap Breville one at Briscoes and get them to put it in a brown paper bag? </p><p>Otherwise I'm going to have to…</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						Ah, there's nothing funnier than a good old fashioned rape hoax.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Lets cut the outraged virgin routine? Gleefully re-telling the latest rumour over some beers is human nature. It is NOT the same as constructing a careful laundering process for spreading rumours full of depraved filth.</p></blockquote><p>Tom:  If you really want to go there, sleazing around the Press Gallery (on a…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Fact checking &ndash; you're doing it wrong.  But it certainly seems like there was fault all along that chain of rubbish...</p><p><br />Re grinders: if it's for espresso Tom everyone seems to say burr or nothing.  And they seem to start at $400ish...  I got a "cheaper" machine to get the…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Apropos grinders: the "Mini Macho" that L'Affare sells is a rebadged La Pavoni and probably the cheapest acceptable burr grinder for espresso out there at around $300. But you can spend two or three times that for a noticeable improvement.</p><p>If you're making plunger or filter coffee the sub $100…</p>
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				<title>Julian Melville</title>
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						Tom &ndash; $149 doesn't even get you in the game, sorry (assuming we're talking about espresso). Something like a second hand Mazzer from Trademe with new burrs might see you on your way for about $4-500 though. The upside is that what you spend on the grinder you can pretty…
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In particular, to me its at least prima facie evidence of how those who like to spread whispering hate campaigns against (in particular) Helen Clark use people like Slater to launder their filthy rumours out via the likes of David Farrar, Matthew Hooten and Bridget Saunders</p></blockquote><p>Can't speak about the…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Lets cut the outraged virgin routine? Gleefully re-telling the latest rumour over some beers is human nature. It is NOT the same as constructing a careful laundering process for spreading rumours full of depraved filth.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>Hey, can you tell where one can buy a decent coffee grinder at an economical price Mr. Brown?</p><p><br />I saw one I liked for like $149, and I was "To hell with that!"</p><p><br />But maybe that is what you have to pay.</p>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>Re: DPF, Crime Stats my pet peeve is referring to the murder stats. The number of murders is really too small (and the typical murder, from a law-enforcement point of view, too random) to support any conclusions.</p><p>It really is like saying global warming is real/not real because this years…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:57:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Hmm .... coffee ... potential legal crap .... coffee .... legal crap .... that's a tough call
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Just a word, folks.</p><p>I gave to go out in a moment to buy a new coffee grinder.</p><p>This is quite exciting (no, really), but it would all be spoiled if someone were to, say, utter defamations or distasteful statements in my absence.</p><p>So, er, careful out there ...</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What's the bet that should someone reveal something skoddy about a National MP Whaleoil, Hooten, et al, will hypocritically cry foul.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, you mean like the rumours being gleefully pushed around the Press Gallery that Don Brash was fucking Dianne Foreman for a long time before Mallard's little blurt in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:47:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						<p>Oooh, a whole big bunch of sleazy, dodgy, mendacious, scurrilous lies about the Labour Party spread by Whaleoil. Gee, there's a surprise. </p><p>What's the bet that should someone reveal something skoddy about a National MP Whaleoil, Hooten, et al, will hypocritically cry foul.</p><p>It also beggars belief that the gossip…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Russell:</p><p>Fair enough, but if the person concerned really wanted to "set things right", I'd sure welcome a (signed) guest post that offered some insight into what &ndash; if anything &ndash; s/he was thinking.</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						I find it interesting to see the connection though &ndash; Hooten has a spot on National radio, which one would think confers some sort of credibility to the man; the fact that the creepy Cameron Slater leaked to him first up shows how these wannebe wide boys of the right…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And with all due respect, Russell, "the hoaxer" doesn't deserve confidentiality ... While I'm no fan of Slater, what "the hoaxer" did was beyond dumb.</p></blockquote><p>I think "she" (I can't confirm actual gender) knows that well enough now.</p><p>I'm not extending confidentiality as such &mdash; all I have is a…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If that person happens to be Cameron Slater or Clinton Smith, I'd like to pledge a hundred bucks towards the plaintiff's legal costs.</p></blockquote><p>Having said that, I'd like to place one condition on the pledge: If the person concerned is an MP, let's just make sure it is declared regardless…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>I've long said its a matter of <em>when</em> , not <em>if</em>, some over-excitable blogger finds themselves on the wrong end of the mother of all defamation judgements.</p><p>If that person happens to be Cameron Slater or Clinton Smith, I'd like to pledge a hundred bucks towards the plaintiff's legal costs.…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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