I miss the old Cook Street Market
and that kind of shopping precinct
(and yes with the Six Month Club
still upstairs would be nice...)

Victoria park mkt never really got that
market / people ambience right...
– cities need bazaars
the bizarrer the better...

chchch inner…

I just checked to make sure, and I was right, Ikea does indeed have only one store for the 20 million-odd people of Beijing. And that's in a location with good transport links (although, a rather complicated off-ramp set up for those driving on the 4th Ring Road…

Ikea, even.

Town centres predominantly servicing poor people, in that case largely non-Pakeha ones. Denied civic amenities like a swimming pool for several decades while wealthier suburbs got their beaches re-sanded for free. But please don't think Brewer's position is that of the whole Council or even…

Or the NZ Herald.

And at least there are people back in the street. A decade back you could roll a runaway steam engine down…

The article linked above specifically mentioned allegations that some of those shops were opened for visa/immigration/residency purposes at least twice, although…

Happened years ago, spurred on by woeful transport/urban planning that encouraged shoddy chicken-coop apartments for predominantly Asian tertiary/language school students and made free parking at suburban malls more attractive.

Swing in the other direction in last few years with…

I may be a bit out of touch with current retail therapy theory and the main protagonists in that field but I can't think of many of our own established…

The discussion has become about some imagined racist vision that wants no small…

If Cr Brewer had his way, Queen St would probably look like just another cut-and-paste shopping mall minus the roofing. I’d have Cuba Street over that any day.

Ha ha ha h.....
Well, I thought it was funny.
Meanwhile in other China Hating News...
Shoebox shops 'the ruin of Queen St'
Yellow Peril indeed, I am more fearful of fat rich white middle class greedheads. Look at [[http://www.google.co.nz/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=world+recession&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&channel=suggest | the…

I thought I read recently that GCHQ say they've seen the source and it's okay.

ETA Snap Russ

Send apparently legitimate traffic through the target network and "corrupt" it with the gathered info (which would not be large – a million login packets is only a gigabyte).

I doubt any state would actually do it (and certainly…

And as I noted in the original post, no government, agency or company has ever actually suggested banning Huawei CPE — and I'm pretty confident no one's going…

Maybe so, but the hardware of concern with UFB/NBN is not the CPE. So we're back to discussing aggregation and distribution systems that handle dozens of customers at a minimum. Suddenly it's a whole hell of a lot harder to discriminately monitor flows. Doing it at…

I've been reading his blog since about 2006 thanks James. I think I have a fair handle on what he says and has done.

British Telecom says it gained such access and I gather MI6 and everyone else got to go through Huawei's security evaluation centre.

The awake sequence can be small but sufficiently complex as to not likely occur in regular traffic; and it has to be sent to a specific device and port to do its thing (not necessarily…

You still have to get that data back to you, though, and in sufficient volumes to allow gathering of useful quantities of interesting data you’re going to…

– create an overlooked buffer overrun vulnerability, buried in some complex protocol parsing code. Inadvertent buffer overruns have been found (including by me) in code that's been repeatedly tested and audited in the…

It’s not anything like that simple.
1) Any “magic packet” to wake up said…

I think the post size limit is there to encourage brevity. Just sayin.

I'd be impressed if the NSA had access to the source code of Huawei's products. Is there any evidence of this?…

The bug could then send anything on the network to an overseas website, which would relay the information to a more secret site.

All without attracting any attention from network operations folk who might, maybe, possibly, wonder why…

The UK government put in various measures to stop them, like…

If it’s not xenophobia, then…

In the UK, BT reiterated its confidence in Huawei, and said that it was able to examine source code for products to check for "back doors" or eavesdropping functions.

It said in a statement: "BT's relationship with Huawei and other suppliers is managed strictly…

Absolutely agreed.

As to China and the US? I rather like foreign policy position taken by others, and one NZ…

You mean something upon these lines —

"New Zealand is a sovereign nation whose government receives – and assesses – advice from many sources, foreign and domestic on a daily basis. While we value…

The other one is that Israel vehemently doesn't want any Arab state (especially one of her neighbours) to evolve into a stable, strong democracy with an military focused on national defence rather…

This is Pat Lang's essay on the invasion of Iraq. I'm not sure it tallies with your assessment of him. You can also find it on various anti-war sites – Democratic Underground for example.

It's a fascinating and devastating attack on the US intel…

On Iraq:

The report found systemic weaknesses contributed to “a failure of intelligence” by ONA – which had assessed…

Yep. A few too many food safety scandals or chemical plants planned for very close to and upwind of residential areas, among other things. Technology seems to be helping – what with SMS…

I guess the answer to that would be that they hoped to access US intel networks via us, but mostly the assumption…

And ignored. The Guardian had a whole exposé on the supposed chem-warfare trailers that Powell touted so loudly at the UN six months before he wandered on to the stage towards ignominy.

They had diagrams of the construction, images, and an analysis from the Cambridge company that…

Ditto.

And even if we were an enemy I'd question the utility of China subsidising Huawei to set up a highly sophisticated (heretofore untraceable) spy system in New Zealand.

– there is a possibility that embedded malware could disrupt the…

I also find the core assumption that China is the 'enemy' rather the same.

We do drink that USG supplied jungle juice rather easily still.

It’s hardly just Britain. They’re…

Lets hope that your hypothetical proves more or less correct. For what it is worth, on the UK side of things, the issue appears slightly more complicated than a straight thumbs up for Huawei. Take, for example, this report (hat tip to a commentator on the Kiwiblog thread…

If that's the case, or if it's "we just think ASIO are full of shit", per Mark Harris' argument, or something else, I would welcome an appropriately diplomatic statement from the minister…

Maybe it came down to "On the one hand we have the…

No, we're talking about agencies whose case for something as non-trivial as going to war a decade back was, shall we say, not entirely sound. Think that bears repeating. A lot.

I really like this little summary. It’s how it appears to me too. We’re none of us perfect, but there appears to be a directionality in the approach of businesses in China towards greater transparency. They are arguably under greater scrutiny than businesses operating in Europe…

And the UK scrutiny of Huawei has been intensive, to put it…

ETA By which I mean a…

And if the NZ government does have such grounds, I’d rather like the minister to tell us – or even just hint to us – what they are.

I wholeheartedly agree, but I hold no hope of that happening.

Really? Because that's not what I see.

Somebody up thread already mentioned Huawei's scaling down of it's business in Iran for fear it's Iran operations would impede it…

I've seen it from pretty close myself, but – how do I put this politely? – I wouldn't turn my back on Key either.

Yeah, 3410, please find another subject to troll me on — because I suspect I've seen Peters' malice and dishonesty at much closer quarters than you.

C,mon Craighy . You know that National would running the same…

Whereas the PM shouldn't have to suffer evidence-free allegations, for some reason.
;)

You know, Red, I could say right back at ya to so-called "progressives" who don't have too many qualms about singing from the same hymn…

Where were they buried?

What also springs to mind is Amy Chua's __[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_On_Fire|World On Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred…

Too true. It’s not a new issue either. And when it's cranked up to 11...

Might be an interesting to the Pakuranga and Ilam view of China...vaguely related topic-The Finnish Prime Minister was down here a few years back digging hobbits wasn't she?

That is certainly the model in most large tech companies (and companies who are too far up themselves to realise that what they do is tech). I'd argue that the minority where that *isn't* the case and the boss has…

The 7.30 archive is here, too — the item on Huawei on 26 March contains no…

On ABC television last night, political commentator Heather Ewart, stated the NZ Government "received the same advice" as the Australian Government, but chose to ignore it.

There's a linked video but it's geoblocked.

6. Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS to the Prime Minister: Has he had any recent discussions with the Prime Minister of Australia over security and intelligence concerns Australia has expressed over Huawei?

a very real breach that seems to have produced no consequences for the plonker involved, nor any widely-publicised commitments to ban such stupidity across the rest of government.

To be fair to senior management it’s not really their…

Quite – and if a New Zealand company or expat Kiwis in IT/telcoms (and there's more than a few out there) were on the receiving end of this kind of opportunistic paranoia I'm damn sure nobody…

And yet you did repeat it. Unfortunately.

This is getting beyond pointless. No. We should vigilant in holding them to account if they are devious. At least we can.

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And because of that they should be allowed to operate in secrecy?. That seems wrong in so many ways. Like I said, I think there is nothing wrong in people keeping an eye on Governments. Our current bunch of powermongers seem to…

They have stakeholders. These might include the members of the government, the army, the wealthy, patron states, even the masses (who, in a non-voteocracy, have few outlets for discontent that don't involve the regime hanging from lampposts).

Democratic governments are and ought to be accountable to their people and in some cases their allies, and are therefore as honest as their people demand them to be. Non-democratic governments are accountable to no-one.

L

So, Governments should be exempt from being honest?.

Well said.

Totally agree with you there. And yeah,…

This is so wrong I simply don't know where to start.

L

But that’s just the thing: the nature of the Chinese government-industrial complex means you really can’t say this with any great certainty.

James George,

I can think of more examples…

I had to do a double take on that.
But bang on.
I actually think is good to have people keeping an eye out, helps keep Nations honest, you're less likely to misbehave when…

Fair enough, Martin. I’d like the courtesy repaid and not be accused of playing the racist card for sharing…

Apart from the big back off which was pretty unusual for the americans, a couple…

Found out this week that next year they will be building it all around my neighbourhood , but not in it – time to rent a back hoe and do it myself…

And all of that is perfectly fair. I'm certainly not complaining about people raising legitimate concerns.

But you…

or Winston

Ae, just so.

If he was fronting this issue with Norman it would probably sound more reasonable.

More reasonable, or less reasonable? Norman sounds a great deal more reasonable to me than Locke…

Well, to be fair, that was usually Keith Locke’s job, and he was pretty consistent about it. If he was fronting this issue with Norman it…

I thought you got in 2008
__At a meeting of local residents at Pt Chevalier School this evening…

You know, I'm not disagreeing with you on this particular issue, but I would like to reserve…

Yet guess which the media will climb all over? Hence the importance of political players being careful how they discuss such matters.

Oh gimme a break. I…

2. Work on the basis that any and all equipment can be exploited – act accordingly

3. Test the gear you get rather than worry about hypotheticals.

4. The Search and Surveillance legislation will have far more…

Don't hold your breath! I got my fibre-sticking-out-of-yellow-conduit at the end of my drive in early December. It is still…

For a moment there I was thinking of ‘Yellow Peril 2.0’, but it's a red herring. In any case, the signal-to-noise ratio is still too shrill to draw any concrete conclusion.

From talking to people at Telecom, nobody in the senior management structure knew the difference between an RNC and an office chair. Their assumption was that they picked a supplier, ticked a few boxes and a working system would materialise.…

The Australians have got it right this time. Plainly, Huawei should be barred from any future role in building our telco infrastructure.

He cites as reason for…

In the case of XT, the problem was poor decisions within Telecom, at executive and board level.…

It's not even faintly possible that NZ companies could build these networks…

Without meaning to reduce your main points, I wouldn't presume the NSA and its friends would necessarily tell anyone if it'd…

There's no doubt that the Chinese government is behind the hacking attacks by individuals. The…

– firstly, there has been evidence of government linked hacking from China, which is antisocial at the least. If the Chinese governments sees this resulting in it's exporters losing business, they might start playing more nicely.

– secondly, I think it's a general problem that NZ…

Lucky bugger. Still no word on when it gets to my suburb in Auckland.

And yet the British government explicitly addressed those concerns and could find no impediment to Huawei becoming the primary vendor for Britain's national fibre network. It…

I thought Adams was hopeless on Morning Report today. At the very least she could have made some of the points Russell made in his opening few paragraphs

I’m not going to try and school you on your area of academic expertise, but would it be permissible to express some entirely healthy skepticism? These…

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn-20120328-0908-huawei_security_fears-048.mp3

The Council for Foreign Relations has intimate relations with the CIA soft power department.

The larger argument is looked at by Cory Doctorow with his Future of General Computing talk.

Tell us if they have stars on their bellies.

The influence of US IP interests in trade agreements should be instructive. I'm sure Gareth Hughes for one can join the dots.

I imagine GCSB pays more stringent attention to security considerations than commercial network vendors might need to. Unless they have been removed from that sort of role as part of cost-cutting over the last few years.

Got a note to say that high-speed broadband will be passing by our house within days. Should I covertly spy on the installers?

Especially if their beliefs have come from an agency dedicated to US economic interests.

Yep, Gen-i and Chorus have been proudly showing off Huawei kit at their business seminars this year. This will put them in a bit of a tricky position I would imagine.

I’m going to be a social epistemologist and say that sentence should read:

“Either way, Russell Norman clearly feels he is justified in believing something the rest of us don’t.”

Maybe it’s the sceptic in me, but the…

I hope so, because I'm damn sure Sue Bradford isn't the only Green who'd like to know where Russel Norman's touching faith in ASIO came from.

If it's actually about economic sovereignty or local industry development, then some attention to all the Australian, US and…

[[http://www.itnews.com.au/News/175946,analysis-who-really-owns-huawei.aspx | As for being employee-owned, I found out that it's not as simple…

I'd accept your assessment, because you've followed the issues a lot closer (and much longer) than I have

But I'm not sure who could be "strong" enough to mollify folks whose…

Nah. But Adams is really out of depth in her new portfolio. They need someone stronger to front this.

With all due respect, Russell, are you also expecting the Government to buy everyone a flying unicorn while they’re at it?

They've also done a deal with Chorus to help them deliver the rural broadband initiative
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/huawei-wins-chorus-rural-fibre-contract?Opendocument

What exactly is the govt meant to do? In matters such as these we actually have no choice but to rely on their assurances that they have it covered. They're hardly…