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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>AT would be buying a massive fight by removing that much parking.</q></p><p>True. It would be a fight. The question is would it actually be the best decision for all users? </p><p>I don't know the answer to that but experience overseas argues that removing carparks increases shopping in areas where…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2017 09:04:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>I am in that FB thread and I still think that design is ridiculous. Having the bikes do a dog leg behind the angle parking forces them to slow down, negotiate the angles around the cars, risk car dooring from people parking in that narrow half park visible in the…</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2017 07:40:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>oga</title>
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						I am in that FB thread and I still think that design is ridiculous. Having the bikes do a dog leg behind the angle parking forces them to slow down, negotiate the angles around the cars, risk car dooring from people parking in that narrow half park visible in the…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2017 05:02:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>For my sins, I've continued to participate in Facebook discussions about all this.</p><p>And I'm constantly struck by the fact that the protesters don't have a single actual idea about how to change the cycleway design. When I asked where they think the cycleway should go instead, one said "cyclists…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2017 18:26:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>There have been quite a few claims made around AT’s agreement with the local board on reviewing the West Lynn and Westmere cycleways. It’s worthwhile reading <a href="https://at.govt.nz/projects-roadworks/grey-lynn-arch-hill-westmere-improvements/grey-lynn-arch-hill-westmere-project-updates/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">AT’s update</a> to see what work will continue before and during the review.</p><p>The Occupy Garnet Road people have had this info for a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:08:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>being forced into taking shortcuts because of budget restrictions.</q></p><p>I suspect a lot of it is that. Auckland just doesn't have the income of other big cities.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 11:35:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I do wonder how much of what is going on is budget related. Hard to tell if the variations in cycleway approaches are AT “trying different things” or being forced into taking shortcuts because of budget restrictions.</q></p><p>I gather that was a significant factor at West Lynn.</p><p>And yet, as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 11:00:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						I do wonder how much of what is going on is budget related. Hard to tell if the variations in cycleway approaches are AT "trying different things" or being forced into taking shortcuts because of budget restrictions.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:53:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Another example is the bike route running parallel to Dominion Rd. </p><p>Parau St is a good example where speed bumps are used to slow traffic. For me on the bike I just get up on the pedals and let the bike go over the speed bump under me without slowing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:02:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Bryce Pearce has written <a href="https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/wake-tragedy-vision-zero-te-atatu-peninsula/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a very good guest post for Bike Auckland</a>, on the stretch of road where John Bonner died last week.</p><p>I think it's an important read.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:17:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Greater Auckland heralds <a href="https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2017/12/15/bikexplosion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Bikexplosion</a>.</p><p>Numbers are sharply up all over the city.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 08:40:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>Complicating that right now is that everything is all still new, so we are trying various things to see what works or not. Over time I expect that you will see some earlier less-than-stellar cycleway efforts get replaced with whatever is the current preferred best practice. In the meantime, assuming…</q>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 08:38:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Kiwis (and this is a broad generalisation) love their cars in the same way. </q></p><p>I know it isn’t fashionable to say so, but I LOVE driving. Driving is a pleasure – it is why we go and Sunday drives and the like. The hipster car haters (you’ll find plenty of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 06:42:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glen Koorey</title>
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						<p><q>It seems like every cycleway in this city has a different design/approach. Some of them are not even instantly recognizable as cycleways to be quite honest.</p><p>Could we not take the time to come up with a standard template approach and only vary from that when absolutely necessary?</p><p>Seems to…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:58:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>Me: “Hey car turn left”</p><p>Car: “No, that’s the Skippers Rd have you read the ToS?”</p><p>Me: “go to manual”</p><p>Car: “No, you’re not the owner of me”</p><p>That will be the end of the love affair</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 19:19:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>our country comprises more places worth travelling to than just its urban areas</q></p><p>hiring cars for those trips away is becoming a viable option.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:31:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rohan MacMahon</title>
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						<p>Bike Te Atatu are fundraising in memory of John Bonner, who died last week in a cycling crash. You can support the important work he was doing at the Auckland City Mission here:</p><p><a href="https://givealittle.co.nz/fundraiser/bike-te-atatu-collection-in-memory-of-john-bonner" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://givealittle.co.nz/fundraiser/bike-te-atatu-collection-in-memory-of-john-bonner</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:05:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>jacques</title>
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						I tend to disagree with this. Roads are roads, and countries all over the world have designed roads of all widths for the same sorts of vehicles used in NZ &ndash; saying NZ roads are special or somehow very different from abroad is misplaced exceptionalism, and by accepting to learn,…
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				<title>stever@cs.waikato.ac.nz</title>
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						<p>I'm wondering  how that relationship will change if (when?) driverless cars are common...I presume that bad parking, speeding and other entitled but "fun" activities will not be possible.  </p><p>Will driverless cars lead to the love affairs being over?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:53:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>our country comprises more places worth travelling to than just its urban areas, and that some of the best of these non-urban places do not have</q></p><p>... many people. Most people live in areas with a lot of people (tautological but true). Solutions that work there are often going to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:26:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q> Making the same mistakes as everywhere else is not smart but neither is assuming things that work in one place can be transplanted to Auckland and will work exactly the same.</q></p><p>I agree. But I am also very, very sick of "but we're special" being used as an excuse for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:17:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>, one of the special aspects of having a car is the freedom to get in and drive to wherever you wish whenever you wish without having to meet someone else's timetable or geographical constraints. </q></p><p>That's just not the experience of a lot of people I know. A car is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:12:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robert Harvey</title>
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						<p><q>For younger urban folk, frequent public transit services leave them free to connect online while they travel</q><br />Agreed. I was merely pointing out that our country comprises more places worth travelling to than just its urban areas, and that some of the best of these non-urban places do not have,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 13:07:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>In general, for older people cars represent 'freedom'. </p><p>For younger urban folk, frequent public transit services leave them free to connect online while they travel (and they would rather buy a better phone and data than own and run a car).</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:54:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robert Harvey</title>
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						<p>Kiwis and cars. <br />Just to flesh this out a little, one of the special aspects of having a car is the freedom to get in and drive to wherever you wish whenever you wish without having to meet someone else's timetable or geographical constraints. I believe it would be a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 12:27:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>another layer in the adaption problem</q></p><p>Quite. When key decision-makers about long-term infrastructure investments reflect what cars represent for older generations rather than younger ones, we are setting up another problem for our children and grandchildren, as if climate change was not enough.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 11:08:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>older kiwis. not so much into the future.</q></p><p>Agreed. Which is another layer in the adaption problem.</p><p>That said, that varies in different parts of Auckland. I don't have to ride very far to see people who clearly spend half their weekend cleaning polishing and modifying their car(s). For some…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:44:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>kiwis love their cars</q></p><p>older kiwis. not so much into the future.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>    and most importantly kiwis LOVE their cars.</p><p>My experience, and understanding of the research, is that dependence isn't love, and people "choosing" to use the only viable option doesn't indicate commitment.</q></p><p>Have you seen <a href="https://www.vox.com/2016/6/13/11911948/australian-comedian-us-gun-laws" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jim Jeferries</a> take on Americans and their guns.</p><p>Kiwis (and this is a broad generalisation) love…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 10:10:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Can I suggest that the territory you're in is called "ignorance" and your options are learning from the experience of others, or making the same mistakes as they did?</q></p><p>Can I suggest you try not being unnecessarily rude?</p><p>I said "part" and I meant "part". Making the same mistakes as…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>    New Zealand isn't The Netherlands and Auckland IS hilly</p><p>The same is true of everywhere outside the Netherlands. People still cycle. Portland, Sydney, London, San Franciso FFS. Auckland is unique just like all the other cities are.</q></p><p>The point is that folks jumping in and saying "but they did it…</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p>Changing transport modes across a city is hard. You'll get resistance from all quarters as well as unexpected support. And people will make mistakes. It takes time, and effort, and long periods of quietly grinding away by dedicated people.</p><p>I'm just glad to hear about the improvements. And grateful to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:12:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>I think part of the problem is we are in unknown territory.</q></p><p>Can I suggest that the territory you're in is called "ignorance" and your options are learning from the experience of others, or making the same mistakes as they did? There is a huge amount of research and experience…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 09:09:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						Bring back bells on bikes...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 06:36:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Aaron Schiff</title>
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						As a relatively inexperienced cyclist, I completely agree with this. I'm often left wondering "where am I supposed to go now?". This list of inconsistencies is just the beginning. There must be a dozen different styles of shared path, for example.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:11:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glenn Pearce</title>
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						<p>It seems like every cycleway in this city has a different design/approach. Some of them are not even instantly recognizable as cycleways to be quite honest.</p><p>Could we not take the time to come up with a standard template approach and only vary from that when absolutely necessary? </p><p>Seems to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:25:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						The transport experts put in five traffic pacifiers out in Titirangi mainly due to having four schools off the same feeder road but also partly due to a petition that circulated stating that boy racers were attaining speeds of over 300 kph. It is west Auckland but..Anyway the sleeping policeman…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 19:49:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glen Koorey</title>
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						<p><q>This is pretty much what I think. Coming down like a ton of bricks on AT for getting something new a bit wrong isn't helping anyone, and it needs to develop skills and practices for taking the public along on these projects.</q></p><p>It's important to realise too that the Netherlands…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:10:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Glen Koorey</title>
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						<q>Here in Chchch, they are going to start fining people for parking on the grass berms – even on the streets (like ours) that they narrowed by almost two metres to create the new wider berms – this widening also makes a once easily traversable street effectively one way if…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 17:05:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JessicaRose</title>
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						<p><q>The principal of Point Chevalier primary school is very keen to see an offshoot to his school, where 200 kids ride every day.</q></p><p>As a board member with a remit to provide both increased and safer transport options, I can say that this principal might be in for some very…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 16:04:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>also on Chchch cycling:<br /><a href="https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/99761000/christchurch-city-council-survey-suggests-commuter-behaviour-changing-because-of-cycleways" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/99761000/christchurch-city-council-survey-suggests-commuter-behaviour-changing-because-of-cycleways</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:45:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>We really do need to change our culture.</q><br />Here in Chchch, they are going to start fining people for parking on the grass berms  – even on the streets (like ours) that they narrowed by almost two metres to create the new wider berms – this widening also  makes a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:15:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Green</title>
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						Yep, sorry Russell. I think I just wanted to say that out loud. It's been a tough week.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:06:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stever@cs.waikato.ac.nz</title>
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						<p>Yes...AT are learning...and you learn nothing unless you try, make mistakes, and try to do better next time. </p><p>I've been cycling (again) in London recently...and though it is of course very different from Auckland there are some lessons there too, the main one being that once you get through the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:04:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>There is also another problem that has to be addressed.</p><p>We need to get people to understand that the life of a cyclist really is important.</p><p>That should be obvious but at the moment too many people are not behaving as if cyclists lives are important at all.</p><p>To some…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 15:00:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Phil Twyford posted on Facebook a few days ago about John Bonner, the cyclist who was killed in Te Atatu last week. One of the 'occupy' people used his post as an invitation to hijack the comment thread and further their agenda.</q></p><p>I've butted heads with them in the past…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:59:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Green</title>
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						<p>Phil Twyford posted on Facebook a few days ago about John Bonner, the cyclist who was killed in Te Atatu last week. One of the 'occupy' people used his post as an invitation to hijack the comment thread and further their agenda.<br />I nearly went nuclear in response, but I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:55:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>I’d say the hardest thing is managing change – whether it’s to a street layout, shopping area, driveways or parking, Councils need to have their act together, make a compelling case for change, talk it through with all affected people, take feedback on board, adjust the plan, and implement it…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:49:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>AT will get it wrong. And for all that consultation is lovely and important the public will also get it wrong. We have to be willing to try things and if it’s wrong then we have to suck up our egos and fix it.</q></p><p>This is pretty much what I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:48:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>I think part of the problem is we are in unknown territory. </p><p>New Zealand isn't The Netherlands and Auckland IS hilly and most importantly kiwis LOVE their cars.</p><p>So changing our roads to try and attract people to cycling and walking really is an unknown country. Yes we can learn…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:44:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Patrick Morgan</title>
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						Good question, James. I'd say the hardest thing is managing change &ndash; whether it's to a street layout, shopping area, driveways or parking, Councils need to have their act together, make a compelling case for change, talk it through with all affected people, take feedback on board, adjust the plan,…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:34:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p>Am I right in thinking that driveways are the hardest things for cycle lanes?</p><p>Island Bay, Garnet Rd.</p>
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				<title>Northshoreguynz</title>
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						Given the crap you've had to put up with on Twitter, a very restrained post, Russell.
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				<title>Greg Wood</title>
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						On behalf of all of the moderate, frustrated parents who give a shit about *all* of the issues – including having to repeatedly try to decode the signs and explain to kids that protest is ok, but lying and attacking people sucks – I'd like to say thank you for…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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