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				<title>Sue</title>
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						<p>what i want to know is how much of 'good's' carbon neutrality is just them paying somone like landcare to plant trees.</p><p>while on some levels it's good to do that<br />on others it's not a long term answer to solving problems</p><p>oh and consumer mag out today has some…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>The SOMEONE who didn't bring the effigy was indeed your own fair campus. Auckland's responsibility was the aforementioned statue, which was never meant to be burnt, and thus did not really burn very well at all. Took us hours and hours that statue! Twelve years this week and I'm still…</blockquote>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Who doesn't know the red squashed cardboard box in the car park is from KFC,</p></blockquote><p>years ago (80s) I cycled around the South Island with a friend, every few km, especially down the Wairau Valley &amp; Buller Gorge for some reason, we'd pass squashed McDonalds packaging.</p><p>The odd thing was that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:31:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>Any market reluctance to buying Steinlarger by the Crate, and using reuseable bottles?</p><p>If there are any quality issues, it may be an oppitunity for Steinie to launch a new brand "Steinlarger Green" and catch the student market &amp; middleaged-henpecked-by-ecokids market too.</p><p>Steinlarger I would appreciate payment in beer for this…</p>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>"Is this what the economists call a perverse incentive?"</p><p>Of all the people here I thought you'ld know that ;)</p><p>The loss to stores is the lost of human traffic advertising.<br />Who doesn't know the red squashed cardboard box in the car park is from KFC, or the yellow bag…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:01:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And paid 5 cents tax for the bag to put the pint of milk, loaf of soda bread, and cheese in to carry back to our rented cottage. That bag remained with us for the rest of the week.</p></blockquote><p>Gasp... a market solution!  I certainly know that since Border started…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:18:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<p>Oh, and for those of you who want to join together, my friend Josh has just started a campaign with the aim of having <a href="http://www.noplasticbags.org.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">no plastic bags</a> in New Zealand. </p><p>The url is www.noplasticbags.org.nz.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:44:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What, when it is at home, is plastic lumber? And textiles &ndash; I think I was right about the polar fleece.</p></blockquote><p>Yes you are right. The first polar fleece made out of recycled plastic was by <a href="http://www.bookrags.com/research/polar-fleece-woi/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Dyersburg</a> in 1993.</p><p>It takes 26 plastic bottles to make one of…</p>
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				<title>Rachel Prosser</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I gather that when there was a project to cut back on single-use plastic bags in Ireland, bin-liner sales jumped 400%.</p></blockquote><p>I'd believe that.  What I noticed when I was in Ireland a few years ago was that there was far less plastic bag litter than in England &ndash; we…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:27:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						Maori TV have "Think Green" on at 10:30pm tonight
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:36:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						I'm trying to get hold of a dude who knows how to build with cob, he's apparently as old as the historic ones around the place. I might cheat a bit and have steel reinforcing and a concrete floor &ndash; but a house of mud, straw, and a bit of…
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				<title>cindy baxter</title>
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						<p>I've been in the UK for the past few weeks and have been hugely impressed with the way that people are taking on recycling, turning off appliances  at the wall and all that gubbins that is easy to do but seemingly kiwis don't.   </p><p>And these are not my "greenie" friends…</p>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p>Sorry, I should have clarified that when I said they're making <em>walls</em> out of polystyrene clad gyprock I wasn't referring to walls of dwellings, but walls round your yard (ya know, bigger than fences, as seen out front of ever self-respecting McMansion).</p><p>Okay look I'll give up 'coz I can't…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yup, sounds like a fucking genius idea to me!</p></blockquote><p>Almost enough to make those wood ads slightly less irritating.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>walls made of polystyrene sandwiched between two sheets of gyprock<br />..<br />Hey, what could go wrong?</em><br />..<br />It's pretty flammable, and produces toxic fumes when it burns. That's not so good. Ask that cold store up in Tamahere...</p></blockquote><p>As if it wasn't enough that <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/fire-load-fire-loading" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">fire loadings</a> in dwellings have increased…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:17:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>In Africa beer and soft drinks are sold in glass bottles. The bottles cost more than the contents, so the people selling them won't let them out of their sight.</p><p>Bottle recycling is something where government could do a lot and individuals can do very little. If there were a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:08:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						<blockquote><p>walls made of polystyrene sandwiched between two sheets of gyprock &ndash; cheap, mostly made of recyclables, easy to assemble, ready insulated ...</p><p><em>Hey, what could go wrong?</em></p></blockquote><p>It's pretty flammable, and produces toxic fumes when it burns.  That's not so good.  Ask that cold store up in Tamahere...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:03:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						The SOMEONE who didn't bring the effigy was indeed your own fair campus. Auckland's responsibility was the aforementioned statue, which was never meant to be burnt, and thus did not really burn very well at all.  Took us hours and hours that statue! Twelve years this week and I'm still…
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Consuming less is the ultimate green move, but you can't sell that.</p></blockquote><p>Substitute a kite surfer for a jet-ski, a projector for a plasma or a station wagon for an SUV.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>Oh and while we are talking about secondary uses for plastic bags, Kyle I do not recommend using plastic bags to stuff a STATUE that then gets used as an effigy and burnt on the steps of Parliament, because SOMEONE didn't bring the effigy, resulting in a whole heap of…</blockquote>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Biodegradable" in the sense that they eventually break down into smaller pieces of plastic as the links between polymer chains break. But at the end of it, you're still left with a pile of plastic, and nothing eats it or breaks it down.</p></blockquote><p>I use these doggy doo bags (actually…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>(albeit some are "sustainably" grown, whatever that means)</p></blockquote><p>It means its grown in a plantation which is then replanted, like most of the ones in NZ, rather than being made from clearcutting the rainforest in Indonesia.</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hey, what could go wrong?</p></blockquote><p>There's been some place in Upper Hutt way (a team building type place &ndash; can't think of the word right now) for several years, it's made of polystyrene. You'd never know.</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I thought that supermarket plastic bags were already biodegradable.</p></blockquote><p>"Biodegradable" in the sense that they eventually break down into smaller pieces of plastic as the links between polymer chains break.  But at the end of it, you're still left with a pile of plastic, and nothing eats it or breaks…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But more exciting still is the increasing use of construction methods such as walls made of polystyrene sandwiched between two sheets of gyprock &ndash; cheap, mostly made of recyclables, easy to assemble, ready insulated ...</p></blockquote><p>Hey, what could go wrong?</p>
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						Oh and while we are talking about secondary uses for plastic bags, Kyle I do not recommend using plastic bags to stuff a STATUE that then gets used as an effigy and burnt on the steps of Parliament, because SOMEONE didn't bring the effigy, resulting in a whole heap of…
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						What makes me a bit suspicious about the point of recycling is the apparently low amount of stuff out there for sale that is made from recycled materials.  For example toilet paper &ndash; surely this is an ideal thing to make from recycled paper, yet there aren't that many brands…
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				<title>Sue</title>
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						<p>I know of this craft fair<br />where <br />&ndash; one person makes jewellery out of all those milk bottles<br />&ndash; another person who makes handbags out of fused plastic bags and old records</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Plastic lumber is, err, plastic that's made to look like lumber,</p></blockquote><p>Oh, nice.</p>
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				<title>rodgerd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But more exciting still is the increasing use of construction methods such as walls made of polystyrene sandwiched between two sheets of gyprock &ndash; cheap, mostly made of recyclables, easy to assemble, ready insulated...</p></blockquote><p>I hope the recycled plastic isn't going to degrade in any way that would result in…</p>
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				<title>Rex Widerstrom</title>
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						<p>Plastic lumber is, err, <a href="http://www.a-p-r.com.au/infrastructure.asp" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">plastic that's made to look like lumber</a>, actually. Can't imagine them going to the trouble of making it, then burning it.</p><p>There's a growing trend in Australia to making fences etc out of it because you never have to paint them and they never rot, and…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Mikaere, I like your GDE measurement idea &ndash; not as a replacement for GDP but to sit alongside.  Countries like Japan were energy efficiency is miles ahead would appreciate it as well...</p><p>But the profitability of green business is a good thing and a large driver of Kyoto and the…</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't know what happens to plastic milk bottles, but wouldn't burning them release noxious chemicals into the atmosphere ?</p></blockquote><p>I love the smell of burning corn in the morning. </p><p>But seriously, do they really burn plastic in power stations? Is that what plastic lumber is?</p>
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				<title>Dave Waugh</title>
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						<blockquote><p>National want to privatise water, so it is a tradable comodity. This is dangerous and has serious implications.</p></blockquote><p>That is the single most scary thing I've heard this year! :o(</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>ain't all it's cracked up to be.</p></blockquote><p>What, when it is at home, is plastic lumber? And textiles &ndash; I think I was right about the polar fleece.</p>
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Consuming less is the ultimate green move, but you can't sell that.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly.  It's related to our fixation on continuous economic growth in a world of finite resources.  I'd like to see a new indicator that instead of measuring Gross Domestic Product, meaures Gross Domestic Efficiency: how much we need…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>1/ What happens to all those plastic milk bottles that go out every Tuesday in Kingsland for recycling? Some say they just get sent to the land fill, others say they are chopped up and sent to fuel China's thermal power stations.</p></blockquote><p>I think that's a myth, but <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">plastic recycling</a>…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I thought that supermarket plastic bags were already biodegradable. My problem is, if they're phased out, what will I line my kitchen rubbish bin with? Will I have to buy custom made bin liners?</p></blockquote><p>I gather that when there was a project to cut back on single-use plastic bags in…</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>1/ What happens to all those plastic milk bottles that go out every Tuesday in Kingsland for recycling?</p></blockquote><p>Don't they get turned into sleeveless polar fleece vests?</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>Here is a couple of genuine Green questions, that came up last night as we were stoking up the fire in the lounge at home. </p><p>1/ What happens to all those plastic milk bottles that go out every Tuesday in Kingsland for recycling? Some say they just get sent to…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						There's evidence that green consumerism <a href="http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/008144.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">is often actually  counterproductive to environmental goals</a>. People take small steps, the sense of need to change is blunted, and people are content again.
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>"The Greens' water-usage tax is what is needed across the board ... if you implement water efficiencies, you pay less tax. "</p><p>Maybe but National want to privatise water, so it is a tradable comodity. This is dangerous and has serious implications.<br />We have made great mistakes with Quota Managment…</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						I thought that supermarket plastic bags were already biodegradable. My problem is, if they're phased out, what will I line my kitchen rubbish bin with? Will I have to <em>buy</em> custom made bin liners?
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>One thing about green consumerism is that while it probably can make a difference, done properly, I wouldn't think it would be enough.</p><p>If you accept pollution and resources depletion need fixing, that's a group action problem &ndash; you need to arrange things so <em>everyone</em> ups their game. That's a…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I've got hold of a plastic ballpoint pen that is apparently, biodegradable &amp; made of corn. (Yeah, if they ain't growing biofuel, they're growing plastic pens).</p></blockquote><p>Good to see technology making the phrase "they don't grow on trees you know!" redundant.</p>
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				<title>James Littlewood*</title>
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						<p>Robyn G: Yeah consuming less works, and true, it's hard to sell.</p><p>But consumption is not only the responsibility of consumers. It's something that can be controlled more effectively at the point of production. </p><p>The Greens' water-usage tax is what is needed across the board ... if you implement water…</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But aren't they made out of plastic</p></blockquote><p>I've got hold of a plastic ballpoint pen that is apparently, biodegradable &amp; made of <em>corn</em>. (Yeah, if they ain't growing biofuel, they're growing plastic pens).</p><p>Haven't tried it with butter &amp; a shake of chilli powder yet.</p>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>I popped into my fave bike shop on Manchester st and they have a selection of baskets &ndash; including wicker! that either fix on or simply hook on and have handy handles to walk around the shops.</p><p><br />As for Trelise Cooper, isn't she suing the Green Movement for copying her…</p>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Anyone?</p></blockquote><p>I doubt it was the V10 version &ndash; but touaregs have <em>huge</em> tanks. Ours (smallest v6 petrol version) is surprisingly economical, but nowhere near as our 1.8 litre 4 cylinder hatchback.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I knew Good magazine had launched when every bookshop or newsagent I went into had a topless Robyn Malcolm smiling benevolently down at me. Eek!</p></blockquote><p>Well, at least her toplessness is benevolent.  For some of us, that state falls foul of all kinds of local, domestic and international laws. :)…</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						Regarding the VW's advertising etc: A few months ago a motoring expert drove a VW 4X4 from Auckland to Wellington and back again on a single tank of fuel. He still had enough to get him to Whangarei. I don't know who he was, or which model but he was…
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				<title>Thom James</title>
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						An aquaintance works for the agency that does VW's advertising. They're doing campaigns around how green their "BlueMotion" vehicles are, yet VW have just released the R50 Touareg into NZ, a top-of-the-range V10 monster of a 4X4, and are about to launch their fastest ever vehicle, the R32 Passat. Which…
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Quite, Robyn.
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<p>I knew <em>Good</em> magazine had launched when every bookshop or newsagent I went into had a topless Robyn Malcolm smiling benevolently down at me. Eek!</p><p>In recent weeks I've heard two (very much non-greenie) people moaning about all the "green" things they're being enticed to buy. Consuming <em>less</em> is the…</p>
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				<title>Jim Cathcart</title>
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						It's interesting that up here in the Kansai rust belt of Japan, innovation in "green" manufacturing has been ratcheted up quite a number of clicks. We're talking real utilitarian, practical application with visible cost, environmental, and energy-saving benefits. Even companies such as Sanyo that were mocked as monoltihs not so…
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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