Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: The GCSB and the consequences of mass surveillance https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=356931#post356931 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=356931#post356931 firtive activity...?
This story on the Australian/American Pine Gap spy base popped up on Stuff's front page menus this morning and has now disappeared from plain view (it is buried in the Australia section) ....
I wonder why?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/77346076/rare-glimpse-at-the-secrets-of-australias-pine-gap-spy-base

based on this report:
http://nautilus.org/briefing-books/australian-defence-facilities/pine-gap/the-pine-gap-project/

]]> Sun, 28 Feb 2016 22:21:05 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=355171#post355171 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=355171#post355171 the vulgar votemen...
Government by consent, because “Democracy”
Government by conscience would fit the bill better...
we now have 'Deimoscrazy' – the sons of Ares ruled by fear and terror

also: Democracy means government by discussion,
but it is only effective if you can stop people talking.
Clement Attlee, UK…

]]> Tue, 02 Feb 2016 10:08:19 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=355146#post355146 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=355146#post355146 response and ongoing fallout of the Canterbury earthquakes in a new light. ]]> Mon, 01 Feb 2016 20:46:48 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=354970#post354970 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=354970#post354970 It is all part of the US War of Terror to which many people subscribe.
We are supposed to have Policing by consent and assumed to have Government by consent, because “Democracy”.
But do we really?.
https://vimeo.com/26718047
I must have seen this half a dozen times and still cant believe…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:06:13 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=354965#post354965 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=354965#post354965 from the comments

Pragmatistz 17 days ago
Hope the US drop a hellfire missile on his lap +28

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/75664087/bumbling-kiwi-jihadist-claims-to-be-teaching-kids-english-with-puppets-in-isiscontrolled-syria

pretty radical aye

]]> Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:53:51 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353395#post353395 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353395#post353395 Further allegations of scaremongering and profiling:

http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/i-m-not-a-jihadi-bride

Includes link to the blog:

Kitteridge also said that they have been previously unaware of women travelling to Iraq and Syria and that this is something they have seen in the last year. Perhaps it was just not something they have been interested…

]]> Fri, 11 Dec 2015 14:38:25 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353349#post353349 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353349#post353349 I would also expect 40 to be a round number. In regard to complaints the number doesn’t seem to change, well, I wouldn’t expect it to change much. Why should it?

Link to recording above

(21:49-22:44) “In terms of the people on what is called the watch list, it’s still…

]]> Fri, 11 Dec 2015 04:57:51 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353348#post353348 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353348#post353348 isn’t she the head of the inward-focussed SIS rather than the outward-focused GCSB?

https://www.chirbit.com/felixmarwick SIS Director Rebecca Kitteridge

(7:38-8:48) “Another area of challenge concerns ongoing instability in our region. NZSIS conducts foreign intelligence activities to ensure ministers and Government agencies are informed about international issues of importance to New Zealand.…

]]> Fri, 11 Dec 2015 04:54:49 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353223#post353223 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353223#post353223 "I’ve had the SIS come to my home on two occasions. They were trying to help us and to sift out suspected terrorists within the Hawke’s Bay Maori muslim community. They didn’t find any. We said ‘look we’ve got some that have some really extreme views’. We work alongside the… ]]> Thu, 10 Dec 2015 11:45:39 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353170#post353170 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353170#post353170 Probably for the benefit of all the journalists, and those they’re writing for, who keep asking “so just how many of these people are there?”

Perhaps my question lacked emphasis, what is the benefit? Journalists get paid to file in and hold their mics and report it, including the numbers…

]]> Wed, 09 Dec 2015 12:52:58 +1300 Lucy Telfar Barnard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353147#post353147 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353147#post353147 At the end of the day, one has to ask for whose benefit they keep repeating this number 40 on the TV?

Probably for the benefit of all the journalists, and those they're writing for, who keep asking "so just how many of these people are there?"

If they gave…

]]> Wed, 09 Dec 2015 07:05:32 +1300 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353145#post353145 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353145#post353145 All excellent numbers, divisible by 5, and 10 and at their upper reaches all multiples of four – entirely by the by.

Exactly Chris. Yesterday Rebecca Kitteridge told Parliament that the number of jihadi brides leaving NZ was "less than twelve". On TV3 News that evening, John Key put the…

]]> Wed, 09 Dec 2015 06:46:28 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353115#post353115 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=353115#post353115 we know that some of the people who are on that watch list of 40 people potentially could undertake a domestic terror action now."

Sounds familiar right? Of course it does, from last November:

Government agencies have a watch list of between 30 and 40 people of concern in the…

]]> Tue, 08 Dec 2015 17:01:40 +1300 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351945#post351945 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351945#post351945 It's not only our local spies who have trouble monitoring the bad guys. The Intercept reports that the success rate of the US surveillance programme to date has been a massive... er, zero.

In fact, there’s no evidence that the NSA’s extraordinary surveillance dragnet, as revealed by Snowden, has…

]]> Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:30:37 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351810#post351810 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351810#post351810 Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:11:40 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351808#post351808 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351808#post351808 I think there are multiple real issues, and postgrad ICT schools could potentially address one of them – the movement of top undergraduates to overseas graduate schools, quite often never to return. Though we’d still lose all the people interested in these restricted areas, it seems.

I was recently accepted…

]]> Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:01:49 +1300 Amy Gale https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351800#post351800 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351800#post351800 And I feel that the post-grad ICT schools are missing the point, when the real issue is the high barriers to entering the ICT sector for those who are working in other industries or didn’t graduate from university, such as myself.

I think there are multiple real issues, and postgrad…

]]> Tue, 17 Nov 2015 04:37:05 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351798#post351798 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351798#post351798 Yes, I can see how the SIS could follow Customs’ approach
of an iron fist in a rubber glove:

“If you’ve nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear —
Once we check that you’ve got nothing hidden up there.”

]]> Tue, 17 Nov 2015 00:49:20 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351795#post351795 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351795#post351795 That’s what I heard, though recently it’s been bandied about that she’s considering plying her trade in other fields:

Rebecca Kitteridge, NZSIS director, recently said a reality TV show similar to Border Patrol would show Kiwis they had nothing to fear from her agency

Assuming she can inject this same type…

]]> Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:51:29 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351793#post351793 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351793#post351793 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:01:04 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351790#post351790 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351790#post351790 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:50:16 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351789#post351789 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351789#post351789 Remind me again why the rest of us need intensive surveillance of all our communications?

To provide evidence when you are charged after committing a crime, and to make it harder for bad people to conspire. The price of making it trickier to organise violence is having all your private…

]]> Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:50:04 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351781#post351781 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351781#post351781 Remind me again why the rest of us need intensive surveillance of all our communications?

To keep us safe Alfie, safe.

]]> Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:36:18 +1300 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351780#post351780 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=351780#post351780 There's a story in the Herald entitled Five Eyes gives NZ an advantage in fighting terrorism which includes a revealing quote from Key.

I wonder whether the right characterisation isn't that they failed but that the terrorists are becoming more sophisticated and quite a lot of the communications they have are…

]]> Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:21:44 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=345913#post345913 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=345913#post345913 Worth a read:

Gordon Campbell on Labour’s pandering to the redneck vote about refugees, and the SIS charm offensive

]]> Thu, 13 Aug 2015 16:45:22 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=345906#post345906 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=345906#post345906 “I’m unable to comment on operational matters”

7 simple words that could make a difference in terms of curtailing the terror felt by ordinary New Zealanders. 7 words that could undermine attempts to terrorise the population. 7 words that seem to be missing from Rebecca Kitteridge’s vocabulary. I have no…

]]> Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:45:03 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=345861#post345861 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=345861#post345861 So. If you have nothing to hide, on the interwebs, then you have nothing to fear, on the interwebs.
Solution is simple, don't do anything you want to keep secret on the interwebs.
But wait....
Dolphins get spied on too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SG2flREQ7g

]]> Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:19:30 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=345860#post345860 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=345860#post345860 A reminder from ABC of closing submission deadline:
Get Your Submissions In To
The Independent Review of Intelligence and Security
Submissions deadline: 5.00pm this Friday 14 August 2015

REVIEW PROCESS
In brief the terms of reference ask:

  1. whether intelligence and security legislation is ‘well-placed’ to protect security while protecting…
]]> Wed, 12 Aug 2015 12:51:50 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337721#post337721 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337721#post337721 here's lookin' at you, kids...
Another consequence...
http://investmentwatchblog.com/donating-to-snowden-is-now-illegal-and-the-u-s-government-can-take-all-your-stuff-thanks-obama/

]]> Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:35:14 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337720#post337720 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337720#post337720 There's not a lot of point spending $24M to set up new post-grad ICT courses when another part effectively outlaws the biggest area of new research opening up. Juha Saarinen has written about the decision of Google and others to relocate to Australia as a result of concerns about punitive… ]]> Fri, 03 Apr 2015 23:47:47 +1300 Jan Rivers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337717#post337717 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337717#post337717 "Fewer whistleblowers, more corruption, less stability "

Another consequence – not directly of mass surveillance but of the mechanisms and legislation that enable it – is that NZ is in danger of becoming a back water in ICT as the heavy handed, poorly drafted TICSA legislation prevents world leading research…

]]> Fri, 03 Apr 2015 22:48:57 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337634#post337634 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337634#post337634 Now that Brazil is getting worked up over being snooped upon by the GCSB, it could just start breaking out of the – ahem – beltway issue that the usual suspects dismiss it as such.

Would they even be half as enthused about the IRD doing the same thing with…

]]> Wed, 01 Apr 2015 18:15:59 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337577#post337577 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337577#post337577 Found Dr Pihama’s rhetoric almost impenetrable.

I understand the words, but using them constantly seems to have the paradoxical effect of limiting the discussion.

And there is plenty of room for a new slant on design put forward by Lester Hall.

On one hand, what he does is clearly not…

]]> Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:08:45 +1300 Ianmac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337572#post337572 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337572#post337572 Valuable incisive discussion re surveillance.
The clip of Mr Key being unwilling to answer concerns re Security issues is so unpleasant. ("I know some secrets and I'm not telling you. So ha ha ha. Suck on that," said smugly and with arrogant sneer.)
An open democratic society? Really?

I like…

]]> Wed, 01 Apr 2015 10:49:07 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337571#post337571 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-gcsb-and-the-consequences-of/?p=337571#post337571 Discussion from blog post.

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