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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>jh’s single-issue obsessions over immigration and multiculturalism.</q></p><p>Strangely enough, the preening academic snobbery that jh complains of is there in spades in Bolton's self-servingly selective reading of Australian history. From having lived in Australia through the Pauline Hanson phenomenon, I can say that even the few nominal One Nation supporters…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 13:35:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Pardon me if I don’t find Kerry Bolton a credible reference on immigration, or indeed anything.</q></p><p>And I’m becoming very weary of jh’s single-issue obsessions over immigration and multiculturalism.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 12:56:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Ah, I see <a href="http://www.presscouncil.org.nz/display_ruling.php?case_number=2105" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bolton's efforts to rehabilitate his reputation continue</a>.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 12:03:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Pardon me if I don't find <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerry_Bolton" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Kerry Bolton</a> a credible reference on immigration, or indeed anything.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 12:01:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I think the problem is that Russell Brown types live in a rarefied atmosphere. We go through a sorting early on in life and left-wing academics tend to hop in the lift to the top floor.</q></p><p>You may want to address your complaints to someone who is, or ever has…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 10:56:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>left-wing academics tend to hop in the lift to the top floor.</q></p><p>Pretty sure Russell didn't come in the top floor of any academic process, given that he has never even been to University. AFAIK, he worked his way up through journalism the way it used to be done, from…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 10:25:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>jh</title>
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						I think the problem is that Russell Brown types live in a rarefied atmosphere. We go through a sorting early on in life and left-wing academics tend to hop in the lift to the top floor. It isn’t that they don't struggle but it is a struggle tempered by a…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2015 10:01:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> a whole new ball game</q><br />no just another nail in the coffin for our species</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2015 08:30:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						From that, I now see why Mike Sabin waltzed into managing the Carrington Estate Golf course resort. Was wondering why he jumped into employ up here so quickly, when it's well known what he's been done for. Sad too that the whatawhiwhi park is making way for housing the Carrington…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 18:10:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>jh</title>
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						<p>In Bed Together: Marxism, Capitalism, and Immigration [Diversity Dividend]</p><p><q>Far from being the natural defenders of the working classes, modern leftist parties are in bed with the forces of globalization and big business which cares nothing about the negative impact of mass immigration on the host society, to say nothing…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 14:35:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Auntie Jenny has advice for those in the North....</q><br />Too bad about <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eOj4fc10DXc/URRUIMnXMAI/AAAAAAAAChQ/WfdlvQ5EFCA/s1600/Mainzea;Crash.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Christchurch</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 14:18:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Why anyone in Govt. would think that giving China farms and information, and quality cheap timber would have no effect on our 2 industries, should have their heads read by a shrink.</q></p><p>Auntie Jenny has advice for those in the North....<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&amp;objectid=11456986" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&amp;objectid=11456986</a></p><p><q>She challenged the Northland businesswomen to abandon outdated, inherited…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 13:46:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>I know Builders and I know Truck drivers and I know some present and past Forestry workers. ALL of them say the best timber is on the wharves. ALL of them are a part of logging it, getting it there, or have to build with inferior choices. I just watched…</q>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2015 00:21:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>jh</title>
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						<p><q><br />The immigration policy review in 1986 was part of a much larger <br />agenda for change in New Zealand (Bedford 1996). It was not essentially a <br />change in state policy with a primary focus on one region of the world, as <br />Parr (2000:329) suggests, although clearly through the 1980s and 1990s…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2015 19:36:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I consider Henderson Valley to be West Auckland. It fits the cliche much better than New Lynn does.</q></p><p>That is one of the poorest suburbs in the whole country. Not average westside by any means.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 21:52:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kirk Serpes</title>
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						This "Waitakere man" caricature is a gross oversimplification of how we need to be looking at the electorate.  NZ Post has done some great work in breaking up the country into unique micro-cultural niches. Look up their Genius Survey project. I think it's based on the VALS stuff done in…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 16:51:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kirk Serpes</title>
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						Yes! And they also have big demographic shifts in their favour. That's not to discount the hard work they've put into building progressive infrastructure and technology. They're winning the arms race, and the race race.
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Heard a builder say that the best timber in New Zealand is sitting on the wharf waiting to be shipped offshore as whole logs.</q></p><p>I know Builders and I know Truck drivers and I know some present and past Forestry workers. <em>ALL</em> of them say the best timber is on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 16:00:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Peeni Henare.</q></p><p>Oops, thx for correction. </p><p><q>How did the list vote go in those seats?</q></p><p>FPP style, National took all but Kelston and the two Maori seats (in which Labour smashed them). But MMP style (and the list vote is all about MMP stylez) only Upper Harbour and Helensville went…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 14:50:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						How did the list vote go in those seats?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 13:24:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Labour holds the Māori electorate Tāmaki Makarau. Peeni Henare.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 12:48:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Well and also Helensville. I consider Henderson Valley to be West Auckland. It fits the cliche much better than New Lynn does. I mean except for the northern slopes of Titirangi, <em>all</em> of the actual Waitakere ranges are in the Helensville electorate (which means that Waitakere man is not naturally…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 12:23:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Johnny Canuck</title>
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						<p>Re: Waitakere man.</p><p>It's worth noting that of the 4 west auckland electorates (New Lynn, Kelston, Te Atatu and Upper Habour), Labour candidates won 3 of them.</p><p>The exception is Upper Harbour, only half of which is in west auckland anyway.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 11:36:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Need to change this govt to get those settings you describe. Currently we seem to have no functioning way to do that.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 10:49:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Could all be owned by an SOE like Landcorp and so revenue goes back to NZ government at various stages of the operation.</q></p><p>Sadly our current political dogma argues that state owned operations are always less efficient than privately owned operations.</p><p>Of course that data calls bullshit on that but…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 09:32:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I imagine they believed, as did the equally well paid managers at Solid Energy, and as the similar managers at the banks do, that Chinese growth is unlimited and unstoppable.</q></p><p>More likely they knew perfectly well it would all fall apart and hundreds of farmers would be bankrupt.</p><p>But they…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 09:29:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						NZ owns the land and the business rents. NZ owns the cows and the business rents. NZ owns the water and charges for it. And all the structures are rented by the business. Could all be owned by an SOE like Landcorp and so revenue goes back to NZ government…
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						What I don't get about articulacy as a virtue is that it seems a skill of politicians rather than voters. In the interests of clear communication I think I understand its importance, but when Grant Robertson's supporters praised his commitment to "core values" it appeared to have descended into inward-looking…
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>I think the core of the problem lies right there: a huge number of voters can no longer coherently articulate their own values</q></p><p>You seem to be implying that there was a time when they could. How did that make things better?</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>but ensure that NZ owns and benefits from all aspects of the supply chain</q></p><p>how? who realistically has the power here?</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>a huge number of voters can no longer coherently articulate their own values </q></p><p>Astute.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Why aren't our wonderfully astute business commentators hauling these directors over the coals?</q></p><p>Compromised is the polite word ..</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						brighter future, etc
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Heard a builder say that the best timber in New Zealand is sitting on the wharf waiting to be shipped offshore as whole logs.
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						<p>I know my own values pretty well. I understand what values tend to be supported by which political party. </p><p>As such.....I'm more or less immune to Crosby-Textor. That makes me unusual / exceptional, I guess. </p><p>I think the core of the problem lies right there: a huge number of voters…</p>
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				<title>Amanda Wreckonwith</title>
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						Their beliefs seem to be immaterial &ndash; whatever the result of their actions there appears to be no consequence for them when things turn bad. Just move on to the next company. I wonder if Sir Ralph Norris is giving the business decisions at Fonterra a second thought now he…
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I imagine they believed, as did the equally well paid managers at Solid Energy, and as the similar managers at the banks do, that Chinese growth is unlimited and unstoppable. On that basis, any price slumps are just minor glitches.
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				<title>Amanda Wreckonwith</title>
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						<p><q>The European quotas were only removed in April this year, adding to Fonterra’s problems.</q><br />But the quota removal has been planned since at least 2008,  <a href="http://capreform.eu/milk-quota-removal-could-cost-eu-farmers-e4-billion/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://capreform.eu/milk-quota-removal-could-cost-eu-farmers-e4-billion/</a> <br />European countries have been ramping up their production capacity for many years and Fonterra seem to have made no allowance for this flooding of…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						My friend who advises on the China NZ trade says that a few years ago China decided to have complete dairy supply chains whereby they use the land in other countries &ndash; such as NZ &ndash; but own and control the whole set up. They have several of those operations…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 16:46:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 16:37:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>My understanding is Fonterra were actively limiting the amount that went into the auction last year &ndash; I thought it was odd at the time.</q></p><p>I believe <em>(sorry, can't find a reference)</em> that the Chinese were ordering increasingly large quantities which they stockpiled. Then they cut back their orders drastically,…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I thought the drop in price was due to the glut of milk coming on stream following the removal of quotas in the EU?</q></p><p>My understanding is Fonterra were actively limiting the amount that went into the auction last year &ndash; I thought it was odd at the time.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 15:16:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>Why do they never refer to their track record of sound economic management, budget surpluses, Kiwisaver, the Cullen Fund etc.?</q></p><p>But we do! Those messages just don't get reported most of the time, because they don't fit the stereotype. The Very Serious People of NZ media have decided that National…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>But having the Labour Party focused on … well … labour, doesn’t seem like a bad fit.</q></p><p>It's kind of built in. But I can't help but feel like it's like trying to base a party around the future of blacksmithery. What if the future of work is that there…</p>
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				<title>Amanda Wreckonwith</title>
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						<p><q>Funny how those only lasted until the election as Fonterra limited supply to keep the price up. Suddenly after the election we have a mountain of milk to get rid of and the prices have to drop again.</q><br />I thought the drop in price was due to the glut of…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t think there is an example</q></p><p>And yet again, past examples are becoming less and less relevant with MMP. What happened in the binary FPP system is not what will happen in the future. </p><p>While it is true that National and certain commentators have succeeded in scaring people with…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>profiting from record dairy prices</q></p><p>Funny how those only lasted until the election as Fonterra limited supply to keep the price up. Suddenly after the election we have a mountain of milk to get rid of and the prices have to drop again.</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Yes, I sometimes think that accelerated immigration is making New Zealand a less liberal country than a more enlightened one.</q></p><p>Is it a 1st-generation thing? If so, then it's probably because NZ was late to the party in comparison with Australia and Canada.</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Yes, I sometimes think that accelerated immigration is making New Zealand a less liberal country than a more enlightened one.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 12:53:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						And a bloody jet-ski?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 12:50:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Why not add a few more mythical creatures: Remuera Reactionaries, Parnell Posers, , Freeman Bay Fraudsters?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 12:49:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						I don't think there is an example (perhaps Muldoon in 1975???) where a party gets elected into government from opposition from saying "didn't we do a good job last time".  Talking to a 25 year old voter in 2017 about the Cullen Fund is to talk about a policy that…
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				<title>Roger Lacey</title>
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						What I don't get is how Labour treats the 9 years of Clark government like it never happened. They seem to think that the Clark government was toxic and that any mention of it will set them further back in the polls. Why do they never refer to their track…
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				<title>dcrobertson01</title>
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						<p>Steffan Browning is the reason I, for the first time since 1990, won't be voting Green next time. I had my doubts last time, and did consider Mana. Labour &ndash; well, they haven't filled me with confidence &ndash; but Andrew Little seems to be doing a good job.</p><p>I ranked…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 12:30:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>the Democrats didn’t have to contend with a centre-right party claiming the centre.</q></p><p>That'd be because the Democrats <em>are</em> the "centre-right" party in US politics. There is no left, just "right" and "much, much further right".</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 12:25:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>: The Future of Work</q></p><p>That doesn't sound like it will be easy to translate into specific policy.</p><p>But having the Labour Party focused on ... well ... labour, doesn't seem like a bad fit.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Andrew has a long and consistent history of working on behalf of workers, and looking for practical ways to achieve gains for workers, without at the same time demonising businesses.</q></p><p>And I trust your judgement on that. And yet I don't <em>feel</em> like he stands for anything other than gaining…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 09:52:12 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>    …all politicians are liars…</p><p>It’s a world-wide problem. </q></p><p>As far as I can tell the way we select MPs dictates they must be liars. Consider that an MP must be able to stand in front of the local RSA and win their votes and next morning show up at the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 09:48:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Barnaby Nicholls</title>
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						It's good to be wary about comparisons between UK and NZ Labor, but the biggest thing in common is how many people were caught by surprise by the nature of the most recent elections. There's a lesson against being caught in your comfortable bubble of online leftwing activism &ndash; I…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 08:57:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p><q>Having four men hold around 50 meetings to talk about ideas and vision has connected them with their membership, and tested their stamina.</q></p><p>Which is very much what happened during the last Labour leadership process too.  These are good processes, and highly democratic ones.  I recommend them.</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Rob's right. There's been a bit more attention this week, and will be next, but because this has been a collegial contest it's lacked spark. </p><p>Isaac Davidson has done an excellent job of <a href="http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11455774an" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">capturing the state of the contest</a> in its final week. What you see below is as close as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 08:38:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p><q>I think one of the most significant differences between Labour and the Greens is that the Greens are currently having a leadership battle, and the media is completely ignoring it. Labour should be so lucky.</q></p><p>It's had coverage. It hasn't had as much coverage, perhaps, because the candidates have not…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2015 00:05:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p><q> <em>The Future of Work thing</em></p><p>is that a thing? sounds interesting.</q></p><p>It is indeed a thing, and a large one at that.  It's the Party's major focus at present, with a whole lot of work going on within caucus, and outside of caucus, with MPs getting out and consulting and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2015 22:12:28 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>I have no belief that Little has any motivation other than power and hence would shift policies on a whim</q></p><p>Andrew has a long and consistent history of working on behalf of workers, and looking for practical ways to achieve gains for workers, without at the same time demonising businesses.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2015 21:56:42 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>It's like "Epsom Dick"</q></p><p>a classic of English cuisine.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2015 21:20:27 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>The Future of Work thing </q></p><p>is that a thing? sounds interesting.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2015 20:57:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Mick Rose</title>
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						<p><q>Are those of us staring at the microcosm – trying to make sense of two disappointing election results – looking the wrong way, while some irreversible social tide goes out?</q></p><p>Yes, very much this.  The contempt I feel for Key and National is nothing against the despair I feel that…</p>
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						I respect the work yourself, Jordan Carter and others did on updating Labour's policy platform. If only you hadn't been let down repeatedly by other crucial party functions like strategic communications and fundraising.
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						<p><q>I have hope that the generation born since about 1990 looks like it is starting to do politics in a new activist and global way.</q></p><p>They impress me too, and Generation Zero is but one manifestation of their better grasp of securing change. I see a prospect of a genuine…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>When will we get to see the phrase “dead beat Dad state” make an appearance in our media?</q></p><p>I think it was Russell Brown who came up with the "wait till your father gets home" state as the possible successor to the nanny state a few years back.</p>
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						<p>“….with a penchant for thumbing his nose at authority and any and all manifestations of the “nanny state”</p><p>Even when a right wing toss pot gets caught behaving badly, the Herald still manages to get a dig in at the expense of the left. </p><p>When will we get to see…</p>
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						<p><q>...all politicians are liars...</q><br />It's a world-wide problem. The Guardian analyses <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/26/mps-lies-sliding-scale-alistair-carmichael" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">why politicians lie</a> in the context of the LibDem MP Alistair Carmichael blatantly lying his arse off to damage the SNP during the recent election.</p>
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						<q>My sense is that Labour's The Future of Work thing might actually have some legs. There's a constituency of Labour voters who would welcome a broadening of the party's focus to include contractors and the self-employed. I know a lot of liberal sorts, particularly in the creative trades, who would…</q>
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						<p><q>None of these are terrible things, and none of them are pronounced to the degree that they are in some other parties. But they do affect outcomes.</q></p><p>But somehow the party manages to work together with a pretty coherent policy base and public message. Unlike the last three terms of…</p>
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						<p><q> I have no belief that Little has any motivation other than power and hence would shift policies on a whim</q></p><p>I think Little actually wants to lead Labour, I just don't think he knows where to.</p>
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						<p><q>“Pt Chev liberal” is shorthand, the same way “Waitakere Man” is.</q></p><p>I still don’t understand why “Pt Chev liberals” are to blame. Don’t they have a right to their reckons like Waitakere Man does? It’s not as if they exercise some wicked mind-control on the party executive. One might think…</p>
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						<p><q>“Pt Chev liberal” is shorthand, the same way “Waitakere Man” is.</q></p><p>Ah, I get it! It's like "Epsom Dick". It's a kind of person who may not live in Epsom, but they are a dick like many who do?</p>
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						<p><q>(Oh, unless their Hippie Magick actually works and they can organise by telepathy. That must be it).</q></p><p>The Internet.</p><p>Danyl is organising for James Shaw's campaign, and knows that there are semi-organised groups who think that the party should move in various different political directions and give more or less…</p>
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						<p><q> at the same time they don’t necessarily trust Little or the Greens to best him either.</q></p><p>I'd say they don't really trust Little or The Greens.</p><p>It isn't so much that they want someone to beat Key, but rather they want someone who they can tell has a (to use…</p>
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						<p><q>common nouns of cynicism and disillusionment.</q><br />Lots of stuff to back it up as well. Nice!<br /><q> sewed Judith back together </q><br />uuugh.. theres a movie title in that</p>
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						<p>It's fairly hard to avoid giving an MP the chop when they're on trial for [REDACTED} with their [REDACTED]. One would think, anyway.</p><p>However many suppression orders are in place, you can't hang on to an electorate from inside a jail.</p>
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						There’s obviously a lot of members of the Green Party that believe in woo (although their numbers are small compared to all the National supporters who believe in Islamic terrorism, Labour backwoodsmen who deny climate change, and NZ First voters who believe in Islamic terrorism, climate change denial and chemtrails).…
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>    say nothing</p><p>Judith Collins?</p><p>    do nothing</p><p>Mike Sabin?</q></p><p>Yeah the axe is sharp. In fact the Sabin issue is a great example of what happens when they don't toe the line, Sabin gets the chop AND they lose the seat.</p><p>The scary thing is just how quickly the sewed Judith…</p>
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						<p><q>Yes. I’d still love to hear what characterises them. I’m imagining age as much as anything, with the old Values/eco-hippies being one group.</q></p><p>Browning certainly seems to have been delivered by the woo faction, although he only went up one place (from 16 to 15) after the list was voted…</p>
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						Yes. I'd still love to hear what characterises them. I'm imagining age as much as anything, with the old Values/eco-hippies being one group.
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Erm I think if George and Danyl say that factions or factional behaviours exist (to some extent) in the Green Party then that is evidence in and of itself given their political backgrounds.
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						<q>There is no Waitakere man at all. No Labour voter that has decided after all that National are wonderful. The data is really clear on that. The National vote has not changed. Instead there are Labour voters who rightly enough have decided that the MPs chosen do NOT represent them.…</q>
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						<p><q>Except as Danyl points out, an internal faction that is independent of the external public that The Green party is trying to get to vote for them</q></p><p>You both seem to have a different definition of "faction".</p><p>A party faction is a group with a varied degree of organisation, from…</p>
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						Waitakere Man has been jerrymandered into John Keys safe electorate of Hellensville. While John Key lives elsewhere never attending to his electorate. Waitakere man has been conned.
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						<p><q>say nothing</q></p><p>Judith Collins?</p><p><q>do nothing</q></p><p>Mike Sabin?</p>
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						<p><q>There’s a vote. People vote for the candidates they like. Some of them are Steffan Browning.</p><p>I’d say this points to the absence of a factional system, on an evidence basis.</q></p><p>Except as Danyl points out, an internal faction that is independent of the external public that The Green party…</p>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p><q>The last major reform of Labour happened in the 1970s, carried out by Anderton and Clark. It is still, essentially, a First Past the Post political party.</q></p><p>I actually disagree with this. There have been three really big changes made to the party post the 70s. The first was in…</p>
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						<p><q>Miliband was damaged by much out of his control</q></p><p>Maybe so, but he was also damaged by much that was well within his control. The ‘from memory’ keynote speech, the ‘Edstone’… On a visit to the UK last year I was shocked by how underwhelming, how unready for government Miliband…</p>
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						<p>In other sustainability news: <q>"a buying frenzy among Chinese retail investors sent shares surging 111 per cent through last week"</q>. <br />I guess one can borrow against those shares, and buy houses in Auckland, or borrow against houses in Auckland, and buy more shares. Or both.</p><p>To me the problem is…</p>
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						"Pt Chev liberal" is shorthand, the same way "Waitakere Man" is.
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						<p><q>the need for Labour to do a better job of appealing beyond those they already appeal to</q></p><p>IMHO Labour is not even very appealing to those it <em>should</em> appeal to. The parliamentary wing lacks a solid ideological platform from which to message, which is odd as some branches I know…</p>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>Worth the hour of your life, if you do any kind of political campaigning...</q><br />Speaking on Newsnight, Ken Lingingstone describes Lynton Crosby as "one of the most successful propogandists since Goebbels." </p><p><em>"It's all about fear."</em></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui7gnIzwUSY&amp;hd=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui7gnIzwUSY&amp;hd=1</a></p>
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						<p>To be sure &ndash; didnt mean to suggest Labour is in Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Rand Paul land .... the analogy only holds so far :)</p><p>And the Republicans have only been dragged further to their right by the Tea Party crazies from within, as opposed to Labour being squeezed…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>I may not agree with how Matthew has framed it, but I think he has a real point. I can’t help but think of the way that the Democrats have been so much more successful in the last two presidential elections than the Republicans, by understanding the electorate numbers better…</q>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>But of course the Pt Chev liberals controlling Labour has never been more true. Russell and Jolisa, we’re looking at you. Release the Labour Party!</q></p><p>I might point out that National won the party vote at three of our suburb's four booths. And Labour only won the other one by…</p>
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						Seriously, who the fuck are all these Pt Chev liberals controlling Labour? And could an actual Waitakere Man please step forward (I can't because despite fitting the demographic profiling I have nothing in common with the supposed mindset).
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						<p><q>There’s a vote. People vote for the candidates they like. Some of them are Steffan Browning.</q></p><p>The context there is a tendency for Green candidates and MPs to become very focused on appealing to the their internal membership rather than the voters, because the members are the people that get…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>But of course the Pt Chev liberals controlling Labour has never been more true. Russell and Jolisa, we’re looking at you. Release the Labour Party!</p><p>ETA: And Danyl and Gio in Wellington should also stop meddling.</p>
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						I'm a Waitakere Man now? Admittedly I don't party vote Labour. But I don't think Waitakere Man was meant to be a Green voter, was he?
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				<title>llew40</title>
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						I may not agree with how Matthew has framed it, but I think he has a real point. I can't help but think of the way that the Democrats have been so much more successful in the last two presidential elections than the Republicans, by understanding the electorate numbers better…
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				<title>Robert Fox</title>
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						Focusing on the marginals is a complete no-brainer in the UK under FPP. Mandelson Gould and Powell  understood this, and its the trick that kept Blair's centrist New Labour in power with large majorities, for so long.  Although marginal constituencies are not an issue under MMP I'm sure Key's advisers…
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>There's a vote. People vote for the candidates they like. Some of them are Steffan Browning. </p><p>I'd say this points to the absence of a factional system, on an evidence basis.</p><p>(Also, if you don't like the list, you could join up and vote/campaign for different people to get electable…</p>
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						<p><q>I’m basically choosing to be perennially disappointed.</q></p><p>not if you apply your evidence based standards to one or multiple sporting codes and start your discourse from there &ndash; then you'll find an audience, one prepared to be engaged.. politics... and the stuff of the world are distractions the general public…</p>
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				<title>Graham Dunster</title>
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						The thread over on <a href="http://publicaddress.net/envirologue/fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa-from-free/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://publicaddress.net/envirologue/fool-me-once-lessons-on-the-tppa-from-free/</a> is going to become, along with climate degradation, more and more relevant as we are seen to suffer the deprevations they will both cause. This may speed change, but to what? Can't see our armed forces being visionary enough to impose sense.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>More New Zealanders will be injured and experience worse health, and some employers will have more money than they would otherwise.</p><p>What would you do differently? How would Waitakere Man / Waikanae Woman be convinced that this is an issue worthy of their emotional energy, and then that this emotional…</q></p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>your #3 does not apply to the Greens, right?</q></p><p>Um explain Steffan Browning then?</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Helen had a very clear philosophy </q></p><p>and one which her colleagues agreed to respect. Two differences there.</p>
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						I believe their are broad factional influences that keep people like Browning on the list, but the degree of control in the process you'd see in say Labour or the Nats isn't obvious from the outside.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>The problem was there was nothing even slightly mysterious about the policies Labour had been presenting consistently for the best part of a year from Clark and Cullen all the way down.</q></p><p>Which is in stark contrast to the chaos the Labour MPs have disseminated of late.</p><p>The problem is…</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>For parties which are rejected by 9 in 10 voters it's probably the latter.</q></p><p>That's a nonsense measure of anything to do with a political party, especially under MMP. What counts is support, measured by votes gained. If you measure by non-support there have been periods in NZ history where…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Well, when I bothered to be a financial member of the Greens, some while ago, nobody asked me to join their faction, or suggested I should vote for X because she/he was on their team? </p><p>If you believe they have factions, what are they called and who's in them?</p>
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						<p><q>I’m saying they don’t have the same factional control over selection processes</q></p><p>Are you <em>sure</em>?</p><p>Mythologising any of New Zealand's (or Britain's) political parties isn't helpful. They all have faults. These faults are either constraints, or things they succeed in spite of. For parties which are rejected by 9 in…</p>
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				<title>Ianmac</title>
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						The issues that emerge come so thick and so fast that the whirlwind means that Opposition feels obliged to swat and far too many targets. The result for we voters is that it is no longer clear what to see as important or what the Opposition parties stand for. Try…
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				<title>Graham Dunster</title>
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						Too many poor people not spending seems to be causing ruin to the economies of the West as the 1% are not able to keep things moving, so maybe this will force the politicians to consider redistribution of wealth again. Like UKIP someone here will eventually create an organisation that…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>How would Waitakere Man / Waikanae Woman be convinced that this is an issue worthy of their emotional energy, and then that this emotional energy should be directed against the Government and for a particular opposition party?</q></p><p>Safety is a pretty simple thing to message around, and even these mythical…</p>
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				<title>Dave Hansford</title>
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						<p>What if there were nothing Labour could do to attract voters back? Not because Labour has dropped any ball, or because it's somehow lost touch, but because the populace itself has moved on. </p><p>What if first-time voters were coming on stream now that grew up in the new neoliberal, gimme-gimme-gimme…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I'm saying they don't have the same factional control over selection processes, and nor do they stand candidates in electorate seats.
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>your #3 does not apply to the Greens, right?</p><p>You’re saying Steffan Browning made his list ranking on merit?</q></p><p>So the Greens send out a party list to their membership, who then vote on it, and the final list is determined by those votes. I can think of two people…</p>
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				<title>Barnaby Nicholls</title>
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						Miliband was hardly unelectable, but he was dealing with a constant barrage of negative press. Not even negative press on policy or actual problems, but focus on how a man eats a bacon sandwich &ndash; it was relentless. I have little doubt that the SNP would probably have won multiple…
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						<p>A large amount of National's popularity is predicated on the Auckland property Ponzi scheme. (NZD80bln of house price inflation over the last year &ndash; 30% of GDP).</p><p>Of course, just like Chinese industrial growth, this is completely sustainable and will continue forever. On that basis, National will retain power forever…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Here’s an example. A range of changes are proposed to New Zealand’s workplaces, which are intended to make our lives healthier and less accident prone. I am not an expert in this area but assume that it will go some way towards this objective.</p><p>This will improve lives and decrease…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>your #3 does not apply to the Greens, right?</q></p><p>You're saying Steffan Browning made his list ranking on merit?</p>
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				<title>Shaun Lott</title>
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						<p>I think a great deal of both Elections was about personality politics. </p><p>Without John Key, National have a rather unappealing and probably unelectable front bench. Labour I think have yet to find Key's match, and National may struggle with a leader who elicits less public affection, as baffling as that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2015 12:29:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>The last major reform of Labour happened in the 1970s, carried out by Anderton and Clark. </q></p><p>Eh? While Clark was sufficiently prodigious to have become a junior lecturer at the relatively tender age of 22, she was 29 with no parliamentary experience when the 70s ended, and had been a…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q>your #3 does not apply to the Greens, right?</q></p><p>It should.</p>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p>The other difference in the UK is UKIP grabbing a substantial share of votes from working-class people who were traditional Labour voters. I'm almost grateful for FPP reducing the number of potential UKIP MPs in Parliament. </p><p>While I can see Winnie continuing to milk his anti-immigration line, the UKIP level…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>without looking negative and petty</q></p><p>some do seem to be struggling with that.</p>
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						your #3 does not apply to the Greens, right?
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						<q>That’s the challenge: how to put large and serious issues in which the government is failing or underperforming – on any objective measure – to the public in such a way that they are presented not as petty politicking but as issues of general concern. And then bring that attention…</q>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						I’m sure this doesn’t add anything to Lynton Crosby’s (highly profitable) political mystique,  but you know what the Tories absolutely did right – a brutally effective focus on the marginals that still matter a lot under FPP.  (This is why everyone should be very careful with drawing too many conclusion…
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Agree with most of what Danyl has said, but not this:</p><p>__ Whereas left-wing parties are still engaged in the endless wing civil-war over ideological purism. MPs get safe seats – or list positions – based on fealty to factions within the party or affiliates, like the unions, instead of…</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p>There are a few factors at work across the anglosphere and locally . . .</p><p>1. Organisations that traditionally support left-wing political parties &ndash; notably trade unions &ndash; are at an historic low point in terms of power and resource, while organised capital, which funds their opponents, is very strong.…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>I'll also put this out there; it's been on David Farrar's puddle and <a href="http://polity.co.nz/blog-front" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rob Salmond's blog</a>, and deserves another showing. Worth the hour of your life, if you do any kind of political campaigning, or want to understand those people who do. It's basically a documentary.</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_YareK6WKk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_YareK6WKk</a></p>
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						I think Matthew is fundamentally right. <a href="http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/people_and_communities/Households/nzgss_HOTP2014/Commentary.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Most New Zealanders are happy with their lives</a>.  If they; are white, older, own their dwelling, or earn $70 or more, then they are even more likely to be satisfied with their lives. Most people live good lives – even if a large minority…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Sure – and if you want to frame it as “negative campaigning” then that fair enough too, but it also strikes me as a perfectly legitimate campaign to run even if you don’t like the people putting it forward.</q></p><p>That’s actually <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/08/lynton-crosby-wedge-politics-general-election-tories" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">how Lynton Crosby framed it</a>.</p><p><q>The problem was there…</q></p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>It’s still a version of “don’t risk it”, though.</q></p><p>Sure &ndash; and if you want to frame it as "negative campaigning" then that fair enough too, but it also strikes me as a perfectly legitimate campaign to run even if you don't like the people putting it forward.  Of course,…</p>
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						<q>It sometimes seems that Labour’s foul destiny is to eternally operate as a blank sheet for everyone else to project onto. They should move to the centre! They should return to their left-wing roots! Be inclusive! Renounce identity politics! Dump the leader! Keep the leader! Be more cynical! Be more…</q>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I agree in 2002, Labour's message was "look at those clowns". But in 2005, it was more "look at that threat". They tried that again in 2008 against Smile and Wave and it fell flat.</q></p><p>It's still a version of "don't risk it", though. Also: Don Brash trying to get…</p>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						I agree in 2002, Labour's message was "look at those clowns".  But in 2005, it was more "look at that threat". They tried that again in 2008 against Smile and Wave and it fell flat.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>In both countries, that perception was fostered with carefully-constructed negative campaigns, from the same strategists, aimed at making a change of government look risky, and emphasising what there was to be lost.</q> </p><p>And which Labour did pretty effectively in 2002 and 2005 &mdash; there were plenty of people, at least…</p>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						Yep, "Waitakere Man" has got a bit richer since Chris invented him six years ago, thanks to economic growth and house price inflation, and he's probably a bit more liberal on social issues.  But he's still roughly the same person.
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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