Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: The CRL and the nature of change https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355242#post355242 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355242#post355242
However it’s still not an actual cost-recovery basis

Any evidence for that statement?

I thought it was apparent from that page you linked: “Adjustments are made for age, ethnicity and also for the amount of specialist work provided to people outside the area.” That does not say “based on cost…

]]> Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:43:25 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355232#post355232 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355232#post355232 However it's still not an actual cost-recovery basis

Any evidence for that statement?

]]> Wed, 03 Feb 2016 10:44:23 +1300 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355218#post355218 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355218#post355218 Not true, sorry. Far too big a cost to wear. Check this page on ADHB’s retro website.

Interesting. However it's still not an actual cost-recovery basis, which is probably what was being got at by the ADHB person; funding for nationally-provided specialist services is insufficient, so money has to bleed…

]]> Wed, 03 Feb 2016 08:45:32 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355201#post355201 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355201#post355201 this page on ADHB's retro website. ]]> Tue, 02 Feb 2016 16:41:56 +1300 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355187#post355187 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355187#post355187
Much like Auckland DHB, which provides tertiary services to the whole country but only gets funding based on the population of its board area.

Pretty sure they also get funding after the fact from the person’s local DHB. Still expensive to maintain clinical quality and suchlike for the only national…

]]> Tue, 02 Feb 2016 12:43:15 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355174#post355174 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355174#post355174 Tue, 02 Feb 2016 10:28:28 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355173#post355173 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355173#post355173 Just came back from a few days digital hols at the beach & playing catch up so apologies if already covered.

Just to note that Auckland EMA boss Kim Campbell has been a constant advocate of the CRL. I would imagine he's at least one part of "our Auckland business base"…

]]> Tue, 02 Feb 2016 10:19:20 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355169#post355169 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355169#post355169 Tue, 02 Feb 2016 09:56:18 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355160#post355160 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355160#post355160 Tue, 02 Feb 2016 09:14:05 +1300 Swan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355147#post355147 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355147#post355147 Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:01:40 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355114#post355114 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355114#post355114 Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:50:22 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355113#post355113 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355113#post355113 Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:27:21 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355112#post355112 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355112#post355112 This is an inescapable reality.

It's only inescapable in your private reality, Jim. Debt is not a zero-sum game and English has added more public debt than we've ever had before, despite tax cuts.

]]> Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:09:29 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355110#post355110 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355110#post355110 "better meals under [the] Nazis" than the frozen ones ones being trucked from the North Island ]]> Mon, 01 Feb 2016 08:28:54 +1300 Swan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355106#post355106 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355106#post355106 "The realities of other CBD developments, principally but not only the demolition and rebuilding of Downtown Mall, meant the delay imposed by the government would increase both the cost and disruption caused by the project. This isn’t even news."

The downtown mall is already underway with the section of CRL…

]]> Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:04:02 +1300 Jim Cathcart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355103#post355103 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355103#post355103

Actually, it is policy-driven, more than economics. Because they were going to do this (and other cuts), they knew they could afford the tax cut vote winner promise.

Policy and economics are not mutually exclusive. Tax cuts are actually a way of shifting savings to the private sector and increasing…

]]> Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:33:10 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355101#post355101 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355101#post355101 can't be safely refrozen a second time for later use

wonder if the beancounters thought of that cost for recipients rather than the DHB?

]]> Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:03:51 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355100#post355100 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355100#post355100 Much like Auckland DHB, which provides tertiary services to the whole country but only gets funding based on the population of its board area.

Pretty sure they also get funding after the fact from the person's local DHB. Still expensive to maintain clinical quality and suchlike for the only national…

]]> Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:00:56 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355092#post355092 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355092#post355092 Courtesy of the Key tax cuts, and the subsequent cutting of spending in order to be able to afford those tax cuts.

Actually, it is policy-driven, more than economics. Because they were going to do this (and other cuts), they knew they could afford the tax cut vote winner promise.…

]]> Sat, 30 Jan 2016 23:20:40 +1300 Jim Cathcart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355085#post355085 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355085#post355085 NZ hasn’t had a great experience with public debt. It can be worthwhile but it can also be badly managed and end up being a dead weight on the economy.

It only really works if you can be sure the asset will generate enough value to pay off the debt…

]]> Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:39:26 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355081#post355081 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355081#post355081 There are endless levers, but they make arbitrary rules not to pull them.
or have stealthily removed the fulcrums and us fools get the crumbs – if we're lucky...

]]> Sat, 30 Jan 2016 11:41:40 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355076#post355076 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355076#post355076 *I wonder how much of Bill English’s $100+ billion will be paid back in a decade and a half or will they still be crowing about making the interest payments

$121b now. interest is currently at $186 a sec, so the cost of this CRL will be eclipsed between now…

]]> Sat, 30 Jan 2016 10:40:36 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355074#post355074 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355074#post355074 here on the front page of the ODT, almost as I'd predicted it, a revolt by the elderly receiving meals-on-wheels service that may sink the viability of the whole service, because of the poor quality of hospital's 'Auckland food' that was foisted on the local hospital board (trying to… ]]> Sat, 30 Jan 2016 08:01:14 +1300 tussock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355070#post355070 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355070#post355070 Eh, it's all ideological. National wants rich people to be richer, and also get more from the government, partly by making poor people poorer and giving them less things from government. Because rich people are more deserving in their eyes.

So they completely cut funding for solo parents education, and…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:29:01 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355063#post355063 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355063#post355063 courtesy of the current regime’s policies.

Courtesy of the Key tax cuts, and the subsequent cutting of spending in order to be able to afford those tax cuts.

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:53:13 +1300 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355059#post355059 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355059#post355059 we have to fundraise to pay for some of them

That's a common refrain. Starship had to do fund-raising in order to add operating theatres and improve facilities for patient privacy. Health funding across the country is in pretty dire straits, courtesy of the current regime's policies.

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:48:38 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355058#post355058 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355058#post355058 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:37:29 +1300 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355056#post355056 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355056#post355056 take the local hospital board here in Dunedin, it essentially provides service to the bottom 2/5s of the South Island – but it’s reimbursed at the same per-capita rate as elsewhere

Much like Auckland DHB, which provides tertiary services to the whole country but only gets funding based on the…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:55:28 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355055#post355055 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355055#post355055 I’m sorry if you see this as ‘whining’ Bart

I actually said the non-Auckland areas SHOULD get more per capita. Almost everything you've just described comes from not doing that.

I don't mind you complaining about the lack of support you get. What I hate is the idea that any…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:53:34 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355052#post355052 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355052#post355052 I think it is starting to dawn around here that there aren’t many levers left to pull.

It's a prison that the political right choose to live inside. There are endless levers, but they make arbitrary rules not to pull them. Having no levers left is the endgame for the…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:26:10 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355043#post355043 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355043#post355043 Having our hospital meals prepared by Compass in Auckland and trucked South was another doozy which cost many local jobs for a negligible saving.

My brother delivers meals on wheels to the elderly, he was embarassed by what the Auckland people thought Xmas dinner should look like.

I was in…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:15:07 +1300 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355042#post355042 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355042#post355042 Well said Paul. The Hospital Board fiasco is just another example of this region being badly treated by central government. Having our hospital meals prepared by Compass in Auckland and trucked South was another doozy which cost many local jobs for a negligible saving.

Add to that other poor government…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:52:35 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355041#post355041 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355041#post355041 How often is the distance adjustment readjusted to take account of fuel prices?

it’s not just that, we don’t put someone in Queenstown who’s having a heart attack in an ambulance and drive them to Dunedin – it’s the need to build and run more hospitals spread out over the…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:49:56 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355040#post355040 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355040#post355040 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:29:46 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355039#post355039 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355039#post355039 but it's reimbursed at the same per-capita rate as elsewhere

You miss the weighting for ethnic diversity, and it seems the adjustment for rurality and distance is not enough to make up for that.

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:26:40 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355037#post355037 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355037#post355037 Which is absolutely as it should be, it always costs more to put infrastructure in low population areas but it is necessary, hence you get that per capita differential.

Only to some extent – take the local hospital board here in Dunedin, it essentially provides service to the bottom 2/5s…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:47:05 +1300 Nick Russell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355036#post355036 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355036#post355036 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:38:39 +1300 kiwicmc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355035#post355035 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355035#post355035 What was odder in the Herald the other day? Rodney Hide singing the praises of Len Brown or the Herald for printing them?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11580706

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:35:30 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355034#post355034 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355034#post355034 I don’t necessarily think that is a bad thing for the sake of the economy. NZ’s public debt is relatively constrained so makes sense from a macro perspective.

NZ hasn’t had a great experience with public debt. It can be worthwhile but it can also be badly managed and end…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:54:04 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355033#post355033 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355033#post355033 Interesting point. I think it is starting to dawn around here that there aren’t many levers left to pull.

Unless you actually believe in the data and invest in research. R&D spending by governments appears to be the one thing that consistantly sustains growth – but it's slow – hardly the…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:49:07 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355032#post355032 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355032#post355032 The point is, as Russell noted, Auckland gets less per capita than the rest of NZ.

Which is absolutely as it should be, it always costs more to put infrastructure in low population areas but it is necessary, hence you get that per capita differential.

But every single time Auckland…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:42:43 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355029#post355029 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355029#post355029 an oversized Convention Centre
Looks like they'll make an announcement about that soon – The Crown will own it not the council – which means they'll gift running it to some offshore group like Accor or the Ozzie Plenary Group – any profits will go overseas and us locals will…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:55:13 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355028#post355028 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355028#post355028 I think that there is a strong element of opportunism at work here. I don’t necessarily think that is a bad thing for the sake of the economy. NZ’s public debt is relatively constrained so makes sense from a macro perspective.

Yeah, it does. But it's interesting that pretty much…

]]> Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:15:42 +1300 Simon Lyall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355027#post355027 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355027#post355027 We have to fix Auckland, but we can also make life better for everyone by trying to reduce this rate and spread it across other parts of the country.

Realistically this is not going to happen. For example I did a quick check of advertised IT jobs on a couple…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:09:39 +1300 kw https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355022#post355022 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355022#post355022 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 22:20:55 +1300 kw https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355021#post355021 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355021#post355021 Greater Auckland is home to 34% of New Zealanders and responsible for 35% of GDP. Per capita, Aucklanders get less government expenditure than people in any of the other regions. Even transport spending is only commensurate with Auckland’s share of the tax take. And infrastructure spending is about growth expectations… ]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:17:40 +1300 Jim Cathcart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355020#post355020 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355020#post355020
Interesting point. I think it is starting to dawn around here that there aren’t many levers left to pull.

I think that there is a strong element of opportunism at work here. I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing for the sake of the economy. NZ's public debt…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:37:40 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355019#post355019 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355019#post355019 I wonder how much of Bill English’s $100+ billion will be paid back in a decade and a half

'We have no choice but to privatise all government services to pay off our tab'

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:22:42 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355017#post355017 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355017#post355017 If Steven Joyce is still swinging wildly, Brownlee had no reason to...(snip)
It just seems funny to me..
I imagine naughty children wildly pushing a man on a swing ...or ....

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:09:07 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355016#post355016 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355016#post355016 The Gerry-built city…
We can only be thankful Mr Brownlee is not tasked with making decisions on the future of any of our other major cities. Oh, wait.
Meanwhile back in ‘the-City-in-the-clutches-of-the-Minister-of-the-Indefensible’ at least some citizens aren’t having a bar of it – it being the ludicrous notion of selling…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:51:08 +1300 Mike Graham https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355015#post355015 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355015#post355015 Thomas is fine with the CRL and has been for a while

His press release yesterday was not particularly supportive – he seems to be saying that the money would be better spent on smaller projects that help the 'locals' – whatever that might mean...

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:28:41 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355014#post355014 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355014#post355014 Only days ago, Bill English suggested that NZ is not isolated in terms of the need for public debt and spending; in fact, NZ has been a target of this false, monetary-driven post GFC world. Therefore, this decision is not necessarily a victory for vision and good judgment. I would… ]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:55:54 +1300 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355012#post355012 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355012#post355012 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:46:08 +1300 Jim Cathcart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355011#post355011 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355011#post355011 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:39:13 +1300 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355010#post355010 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355010#post355010 I see Phil Kitchin has resigned from Paula Bennett’s office

I’m guessing it would be hard for any journo of integrity to spin some of the lies which come out of Paula Benefit’s office. Like the one about those useless state house tenants turning down homes because __"the birds were…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:34:22 +1300 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355009#post355009 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355009#post355009 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:27:52 +1300 Ben Ross https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355008#post355008 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355008#post355008 That pretty much confirms the comment I made to Russell yesterday and was picked up on in the original post.

Looking at the MofEnviro's own submissions to the Unitary Plan they do support the 60% Brownfield 40% Greenfield rule as set in the Auckland Plan.

This will present issues again…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:14:20 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355007#post355007 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355007#post355007 I wasn’t necessarily agreeing with the ODT view – but I thought some might be interested in what some of those outside the hothouse think.

It was worth knowing, for sure. Thanks.

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:07:33 +1300 Ben Ross https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355005#post355005 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355005#post355005 Keep repeating and it happens
Or I just give up

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:07:28 +1300 Hayden East https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355004#post355004 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355004#post355004 Well appearing in your blog as an opinionated friend certainly feels nicer than a mere retweet :)

Further on National’s softening on the idea of densification – Key’s comments to media after his speech square with what you point out:

If you look around cities around the world you’ve seen…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:04:37 +1300 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355003#post355003 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355003#post355003 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:00:36 +1300 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355001#post355001 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355001#post355001 http://www.dunedinrailways.co.nz/ runs commuter trains occasionally. ]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:54:52 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355000#post355000 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=355000#post355000 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:54:36 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354999#post354999 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354999#post354999 the economics of and alternatives to will remain completely unexplored

worse, they chose the gold-plated option over another with a higher BCR as TransportBlog reminded the govt's tame pollster.

And I see the cost is now touted as between $1.25 and 1.85b. That is more than the Waterview tunnels.

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:47:00 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354998#post354998 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354998#post354998 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:46:35 +1300 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354997#post354997 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354997#post354997 "Of course Otago should get the same money as Auckland"

I didn't see that mentioned.

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:43:58 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354996#post354996 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354996#post354996 Airport Line via Otahuhu

got to love a tryer :)

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:43:16 +1300 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354995#post354995 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354995#post354995 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:39:52 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354994#post354994 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354994#post354994 The main issues come to the Unitary Plan herself (executing it)

Oh, National would like to execute the Unitary Plan, all right. A quick blow to the back of the head on a quiet night and no-one will be any the wiser.

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:39:18 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354993#post354993 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354993#post354993 shift the Government off its lofty perch

I prefer "pull the government's head out of the ... er ... sand"

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:36:25 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354992#post354992 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354992#post354992 at the expense of the rest of the country, ODT political editor Dene Mackenzie writes

Population of Otago 215000
Population of Auckland 1400000

Of course Otago should get the same money as Auckland
Sigh

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:34:54 +1300 Ben Ross https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354990#post354990 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354990#post354990 Key announcing the CRL for 2018 wont hurt Goff no matter what Brewer spins in his dying days as Councillor (rumour has it Desley Simpson will take his spot around the Governing Body table)

If anything it will bolster Goff given Crone is dithering around (Thomas is fine with the…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:32:06 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354989#post354989 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354989#post354989 Dean Mckenzie has his biases, too…

As does the ODT and its owners ....

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:26:11 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354988#post354988 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354988#post354988 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:25:40 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354987#post354987 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354987#post354987 spinning gold for straw people...
...backdowns are gold for political journalists.
I see Phil Kitchin has resigned from Paula Bennett's office

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:24:07 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354986#post354986 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354986#post354986 A brief history of National MPs trashing the rail link they just funded ]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:23:27 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354985#post354985 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354985#post354985 blah blah savings blah keep rates down blah

She's not really indicating a great commitment to the whole "being mayor" thing.

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:16:11 +1300 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354984#post354984 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354984#post354984 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:13:44 +1300 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354983#post354983 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354983#post354983 ...from Fran O’Sullivan who has her biases...

You are a master of understatement Russell.

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:04:20 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354982#post354982 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354982#post354982 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:01:20 +1300 llew40 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354981#post354981 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354981#post354981 Basically Fran’s comments might as well have come from the Chamber of Commerce, the EMA and Mainfreight themselves in regards to the CRL.

The Auckland Business Forum (chaired by Michael Barnett) has been supportive of the CRL, and other big Auckland transport projects, for years. Doubt anyone could seriously argue…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:00:19 +1300 Mark Graham https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354980#post354980 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354980#post354980 Typical response from centre right candidate:
"Leadership...Rates...Make it happen...".

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:51:28 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354979#post354979 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354979#post354979 I think the Government has been distracted by the Centre Right Local Government establishment long enough that National should probably jettison any association with it given it is that far out of touch with wider Auckland (the local establishment that is) as the Len Brown saga showed.

Yeah, they've got…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:48:07 +1300 Ben Ross https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354978#post354978 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354978#post354978 Basically Fran's comments might as well have come from the Chamber of Commerce, the EMA and Mainfreight themselves in regards to the CRL.

I think the Government has been distracted by the Centre Right Local Government establishment long enough that National should probably jettison any association with it given it…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:37:12 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354977#post354977 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354977#post354977 The ODT’s view:

“Prime Minister John Key effectively launched National’s 2017 election campaign yesterday by agreeing to pour billions of dollars into Auckland’s infrastructure – at the expense of the rest of the country, ODT political editor Dene Mackenzie writes.”

Fair in the sense that Key’s need to keep Auckland…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:12:55 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354976#post354976 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354976#post354976 Interesting column today from Fran O’Sullivan who has her biases, but is always a reliable reader of business sentiment:

But the reality is Key was two years too late when it came to his Government finally committing to bring forward spending on the $2.5 billion city rail link (dubbed Len’s trainset)…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:56:17 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354975#post354975 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354975#post354975 yes that was top of page 3 today, I think the general feeling down here is "we have to pay how much so that Auckland can take away more of our kids and our jobs?"

Of course I used to go to school on the train, but the govt took…

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:43:39 +1300 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354974#post354974 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354974#post354974 The ODT's view:

"Prime Minister John Key effectively launched National's 2017 election campaign yesterday by agreeing to pour billions of dollars into Auckland's infrastructure – at the expense of the rest of the country, ODT political editor Dene Mackenzie writes."

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/371181/billions-buy-auckland-votes

]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:25:52 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354973#post354973 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-the-crl-and-the-nature-of-change/?p=354973#post354973 Discussion from blog post.

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