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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...but why is Mclay in court and Hide in parliament.<br />They did much the same thing, didn't they?</p></blockquote><p>...is there no pile of putrescent behaviour in this country that <em>doesn't</em> have that "Energiser bunny of evil", Rodney Hide, crawling from the core of it?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:38:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>I'm sure there is some subtle difference I haven't cottoned on to, but why is Mclay in court and Hide in parliment. <br />They did much the same thing, didn't they?<br /><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10666888" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10666888</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 19:34:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>especially if National put up a worthwhile candidate.</blockquote> How about <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10669157" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this lot</a>? ;)
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:50:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It'd be darkly funny and ironic &ndash; not to mention hypocritical &ndash; if Mr Hyde abolished the local body system he designed, out of sheer sour grapes.</p></blockquote><p>Hopefully by the time it would become apparent if Brown was going to be as adversarial toward a right-wing government as Livingtone was,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:36:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Who needs the National Party when we have this class Act. Creep.</p></blockquote><p>Wagging. The. Dog.</p><p>Then again, they probably didn't count on the country's top unionist <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10662135" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">monkeywrenching free trade talks with the US</a>. No big loss anyway, better no deal than a bad deal &ndash; just ask Australia's <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050622013607/www.crikey.com.au/articles/2004/02/12-0001.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">farmers</a> and [[http://action.eff.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ADV_australiacab|tech…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:11:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Back with the creepy party. Like  fleas on a dogs tail. No actually, more like around the arsehole. I knew this would happen.</p></blockquote><p>I've mentioned it before, but this could very well lead to the NZ edition of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London_Council#Abolition" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Livingstone vs Thatcher</a>, if the people of Auckland elect Len Brown. It'd…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:54:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Who needs the National Party when we have this class <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10669180" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Act.</a> Creep.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:39:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Back with the creepy party.  Like <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/local-government/news/article.cfm?c_id=250&amp;objectid=10669174" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> fleas on a dogs tail.</a> No actually, more like around the arsehole. I knew this would happen.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:13:18 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><em>A round headed boar from Epsom<br />was turning his party to jetsum<br />His petulant bride<br />was tanning his hide<br />While he acted all jilted and fretsome.</em></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:29:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>The radioactive Boar story just goes to prove how easy it is to get your sticky mitts on our "Hard Earned Money"©,<br />I have heard it said, in some circles, that all you have to do to get funding for research is to claim that it is in respect of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 01:07:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						It was one of the things I found most memorable after breaking my arm in 3 places late last year: quite a few xrays were taken of the arm, and none of the rest of me was shielded in anyway. The radiographer in the different hospitals was safely tucked behind…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:52:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>guy grrr counter...</strong></p><blockquote><p>"Don't Flame my arse"</p></blockquote><p>pictures <a href="http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-08/big-bear-solar-observatory-snaps-clearest-ever-pic-solar-flare" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>...*<br />;- )</p><p>...no but seriously it's the crashing <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,709345,00.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">radioactive boars</a> I worry about, one likes one's bacon cooked further down the spectrum...</p><p>*[edit] plenty of helium there too!</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:51:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						Jeeze Kyle, are you that dangerous?.
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And the dental X-ray analogy is misleading.</p></blockquote><p>Also the people that regularly take x-rays (currently striking) stand behind a protective shield when they take x-rays of me in hospital.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:24:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Yeah, like I said "Don't Flame my arse" which I guess is an open invitation to do just that. However...</p><blockquote><p>And the dental X-ray analogy is misleading. That's high level exposure for a fraction of a second. Some ingested radionucleides, like Sr-90 are with you for life.</p></blockquote><p>According to the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:21:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Steve, if you want to eat radioactive food, it's up to you. Grind gas mantles and old smoke detectors over your chips or something.</p><p>The rest of us mostly would rather not, hence farmers with fallout in their fields don't get to sell product.</p><p>And the dental X-ray analogy is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:40:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's it for party balloons, and steampunk dirigibles then.</p></blockquote><p>Hydrogen works just as well so long as you don't smoke.</p>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<blockquote><p>personally I think that is the exact position NZ could be taking &ndash; as a biological control zone (and possibly even in Antarctica)...</p></blockquote><p>Totally agree. </p><p>In the mean time though, <a href="http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/08/23/why-the-worlds-quickly-running-out-of-helium/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">we are running out of Helium</a>.  That's it for party balloons, and steampunk dirigibles then.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:56:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not the most uplifting of reads, is it?</p></blockquote><p>No. Great book though. I'm not watching the film for love or money.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think the recent Russian fires threatened not only nuclear power plants (and created airborne radioactive ash from around Chernobyl)</p></blockquote><p>Now don't get me wrong here and start flaming my arse but...<br />There is a lot of misunderstanding around Nuclear Power and its associated risks, even today there are pastures…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My mother gave me a copy of the book two years ago when I visited, and I made the mistake of reading it on the plane. It set me up for a classic "crying in an enclosed public space" moment.</p></blockquote><p>Not the most uplifting of reads, is it?</p><p>I'm thinking…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I was from a developing country I'd find it terribly wearying to be expected to be so *aspirational* all the time</p><p>I think they just need to learn to be more relaxed about their aspirations</p></blockquote><p>There must be the seeds of an Onion article in there somewhere. Something about how…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						My mother gave me a copy of the book two years ago when I visited, and I made the mistake of reading it on the plane. It set me up for a classic "crying in an enclosed public space" moment.
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>there are honest to god sweathshops in the textile industry</p></blockquote><p>For those who are interested, the first part of Roberto Saviano's 'Gomorrah' will give you a good background to that.</p><p>An extract from <a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n23/tim-parks/talking-corpses" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this review</a>:</p><blockquote><p>His Chinese employer introduces him to the world of dressmaking sweatshops. We learn to distinguish…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:35:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Musing: if I was from a developing country I'd find it terribly wearying to be expected to be so *aspirational* all the time</p></blockquote><p>I think they just need to learn to be more relaxed about their aspirations.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>scaretakers...</strong></p><blockquote><p>If anyone has a few spare billions, and some ships, we could relocate it to New Zealand maybe?</p></blockquote><p>personally I think that is the exact position NZ could be taking &ndash; as a biological control zone (and possibly even in Antarctica)...<br />&ndash; No GM/GE or nuclear power and seed…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I am currently reading  <em>The Windup Girl</em>, seems like<br />a very possible future to me...</p></blockquote><p>Yes, I have been having nightmares since reading that, and then there was all <a href="http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-08/russian-seed-bank-saved-during-wwii-fights-save-land-developers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this about the Russian Seed bank stuff</a>.  If anyone has a few spare billions, and some ships, we could relocate it…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Sorry, I don't mean to be competitive but the situation is a <a href="http://bat-bean-beam.blogspot.com/2010/02/this-is-our-land.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">little worse over there</a>. (Apologies for self-linkage, don't have time to look for another summary in English.)
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						<blockquote><p>horrifying conditions in which the largely foreign seasonal workers are kept in the agricultural industry</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, confused here &ndash; are you talking about Italy, or NZ's <a href="http://workersparty.org.nz/2009/06/14/new-zealand-government%E2%80%99s-rse-scheme-%E2%80%9Cbrutal-racist-oppression%E2%80%9D/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">agricultural sector</a>  &ndash; most notably our wine industry?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						I think I've mentioned it before but the whole monetary system is rooted in fantasy and using exchange rates between countries to establish "fair" rates of pay is a road to confusion. We need a system based closer to thermodynamics to work out a better exchange system for labour pricing,…
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>our tariffying future...</strong></p><blockquote><p>We are all in this together, we only have the one Planet. When today's developed countries were, well, Developing, we didn't have the technology we have now.</p></blockquote><p>quite...<br />and it will be interesting to see where that technology arc goes...<br />...after seeing it praised by other folk…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote>No, it doesn't, but it's easy for us as people living in countries with labour protection standards and minimum wage laws to get all sneery about how exploited workers are in developing economies without considering that, once upon a not-so-long-ago time, workers in our economies were being exploited and underpaid…</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>It will still be cheaper to produce in Vietnam or cambodia or China &ndash; just not quite as cheaper as it is now</p></blockquote><p>And if it's not <em>enough</em> cheaper, the jobs will go away again. If it comes down to a 5% tax break to the company to get it…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Back to the creepy party. I thought this was funny. <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10668904" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">United they stand.</a>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Some places, like Venezuela have chosen not to be a big sweatshop for the West.</p></blockquote><p>Venezuela being, of course, greatly aided in that choice by the presence of significant mineral reserves of great value to the West. Countries lacking in such natural bounty tend to have fewer choices about how…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Also, developing countries are not all the same. Some places, like Venezuela have chosen not to be a big sweatshop for the West. Arguably people are better off there with a chance to control their destiny rather than be serfs of Nike and Apple.
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						<blockquote>Musing: if I was from a developing country I'd find it terribly wearying to be expected to be so *aspirational* all the time.</blockquote> Hell, from a developing country? From this country too.Sometimes I just like to chilax without guilt,but I am saying that having all the benefits of this one.…
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p>Musing: if I was from a developing country I'd find it terribly wearying to be expected to be so *aspirational* all the time.</p><p>(Sorry, just a thought. As you were.)</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						An old (very old) <a href="http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/smokey.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Krugman piece</a> in support of your side of the argument springs particularly to mind.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						(And by the way I'm aware that what I'm suggesting is tantamount to a form of labour protectionism, and that it has its critics besides the usual neoliberal suspects. I'm just fine with that particular degree of protectionism. It will still be cheaper to produce in Vietnam or cambodia or…
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						<blockquote><p>gio, and it's only western companies that exploit workers in developing economies, eh?</p></blockquote><p>No, but we might have more jurisdiction on Western ones. Although I suppose so long as we mandate that it's the product that has restricted access, rather than this or that manufacturer, then it doesn't really matter…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						gio, and it's only western companies that exploit workers in developing economies, eh?
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>what would be so bad about a reduction in the pace of the outsourcing from the developed world?</p></blockquote><p>Hate to say it, but I'm something of a free-market purist when it comes to trade. I don't believe in artificial protection of industries. If your local supplier cannot make a convincing…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p>You keep not listening to me: I want to index it to the cost of living. But by all means continue talking to yourself if that's your preference.</p><p>I also assume you don't want me to start rattling statistics and examples of brutal exploitation in factories controlled by Western companies…</p>
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						gio, the problem is that you consider these jobs to be exploitative because the pay is very low relative to wages in the developed world. But until you compare those wages to the median income in that same country you cannot possibly make that assumption. Is it better to have…
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If the requisite increase in wages brought the cost of manufacturing to roughly equal to the cost of manufacturing the States (and isn't that really the aim of your proposal?</p></blockquote><p>No, it isn't. Cost of living in China is far lower to the cost of living in the US, so…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>What do you think would happen, out of curiosity, if all of a sudden US sneaker companies who wanted to sell shoes in the US at abominable mark-ups were forced to quadruple their wages to continue manufacturing in China? Do you think they'd stop making shoes? Do you think they'd…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Mr Mark</title>
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						<p>Ahhhh !!! I've just fucked up <strong>BIG TIME</strong>.</p><p>Yesterday I suggested Craig Ranapia wrote a letter to the Dominion Post a few years ago supporting George W's invasion of Iraq and warning of the imminent danger of Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction". This is what happens when you write something…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						If you take the film industry as an example, eventually someplace will offer pixelbashers at even lower rates than NZ and the work will go there.
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						<blockquote><p>gio, you realise that you've just demolished the aspirations of the entire developing world, reducing them to beggars at the doorstep of the developed world, and ensured that global poverty will remain? Right?</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, but that's really what I enjoy, so it's a win-win for me.</p><p>What do you think…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Gio: you do realise that there's absolutely no motivation for a company in a low-wage country to increase its wages when a tariff removes one of its advantages?</p></blockquote><p>Actually if the tariff was set to increase your wages to a set amount, there's no motivation to pay less than that…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						*takes a bow*
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				<title>Cameron Junge</title>
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						<p>Gio: you do realise that there's absolutely no motivation for a company in a low-wage country to increase its wages when a tariff removes one of its advantages?</p><p>If I'm making shoes and paying my employee $2/shoe, and selling them to the States for $20/shoe, then I can afford to…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						gio, you realise that you've just demolished the aspirations of the entire developing world, reducing them to beggars at the doorstep of the developed world, and ensured that global poverty will remain? Right?
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's difficult to see how that would work in practice. What if my factory exports to 20 different countries, all with wildly different wage structures? Do I pick the top one? Won't I suddenly decide to stop selling to that country to reduce my wage bill?</p></blockquote><p>Fine, do that. It's…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>I see no problem with introducing a law that says you need to pay the minimum wage of the country in which you're selling your products</em></p><p>It's difficult to see how that would work in practice. What if my factory exports to 20 different countries, all with wildly different wage…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the big attraction for so-called "runaway productions" to places like Wellywood and the slave school of West Auckland is the access to high skill, relatively low-cost labour without having to deal with the US trade guilds.</p></blockquote><p>Coincidentally, I have just been writing about these issues, for the forthcoming Te Papa…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I see no problem with introducing a law that says you need to pay the minimum wage of the country in which you're selling your products</p></blockquote><p>It's difficult to see how that would work in practice. What if my factory exports to 20 different countries, all with wildly different wage…</p>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I see no problem with introducing a law that says you need to pay the minimum wage of the country in which you're selling your products<br />...<br />Don't tell Peter Jackson</p></blockquote><p>A technical quibble, but the current minimum wage in California is roughly NZ$11.35.</p><p>What you're describing is not a…</p>
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				<title>HORansome</title>
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						Gah, Ansell's using the same Wordpress theme as the one I've gone back to. I feel the need to change my theme pronto.
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<p>Coastal Coalition watch: John Ansell still <a href="http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/coastal-coalition-billboards-now-up/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">assiduously pushing things along on the web</a>:</p><blockquote><p>It was interesting to hear Linda Clark ranting against spokesman Dr Hugh Barr on Jim Mora’s show the other day.</p><p>Hugh was calmy laying out the facts and Linda was getting extremely huffy.</p><p>Emails the next day…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>after all, the big attraction for so-called "runaway productions" to places like Wellywood and the slave school of West Auckland is the access to high skill, relatively low-cost labour without having to deal with the US trade guilds.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly. Our competitive advantage in that market (as with most others) is…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Globalise labour, fine. I see no problem with introducing a law that says you need to pay the minimum wage of the country in which you're selling your products</p></blockquote><p>Don't tell Peter Jackson that &mdash; after all, the big attraction for so-called "runaway productions" to places like Wellywood and the…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Generally, tariffs are considered to be a left-wing action because they're about job protection. The right-wing action would be to remove the tariffs and say "Let the market sort it out." Obviously the benefit accrues across class boundaries, but the rationales involved do fit roughly into the left-right paradigm.</p></blockquote><p>I…</p>
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						<p>Well, Peter Tashkoff is certainly <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10668677" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">making a name for himself</a>. He wants to challenge Rodders for the right to stand for Epsom.</p><p>Good luck to him, and may Act's demise be swift and absolute.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I haven't checked in with any political economic theories on the matter, but I'd struggle to call tarriffs left-wing these days. In NZ tarriffs protected farmers and working class manufacturing employees (and their bosses).</p></blockquote><p>Generally, tariffs are considered to be a left-wing action because they're about job protection. The right-wing…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>On another note, Russell confirms my growing feeling that he's superbly liberal on what might be called 'moral' or 'identity' issues, but tends toward the slightly Right of Centre on Economics. Or is that too simplistic, Russell ?</p></blockquote><p>I haven't checked in with any political economic theories on the matter,…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>If it isn't applying decent environmental standards, it gets taxed by the notional cost of those standards. That way, providers have to compete on quality, not on exploitation and pollution.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, right. Don't they do that in Germany. Well <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_n1_v26/ai_15382445/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Sort of</a>.<br />We were told in the Eighties that…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Globalise labour, fine. I see no problem with introducing a law that says you need to pay the minimum wage of the country in which you're selling your products to the people in the country in which you're making your products, adjusted for the local cost of living. And provide…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If a country uses cheap labour to produce goods or services, its products get taxed by the difference.</p></blockquote><p>A provision that wealthier countries would presumably happily use to nobble New Zealand exports while we continued to buy theirs, surely?</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I see fair trade as the way to go. Not the tokenist fairt rade where the wealthy, liberal minority-in-a-minority buy fancy chocolate and hessian bags, but an actual level playing field for workers.</p><p>If a country uses cheap labour to produce goods or services, its products get taxed by the…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>I think the way forward in trade isn't the traditional consensus that's been honoured in the breach since WW2. While that gives us cheap electronic toys and markets for milk, it also fucks the planet and the workers.</p><p>I see fair trade as the way to go. Not the tokenist…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>OT but relevant: I love the way Vodafone is spinning the latest cutout &ndash; fire @ Skycity dun caused it all-</p><p>fact is, the email failed yesterday (and later the webmail), and did ditto again today &ndash; and I'm a wee way away from Sky City...</p><p>I have a nice…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote>I think the word you're after with respect to Fay and Richwhite isn't "bailed". It's "jailed".</blockquote>How feasible would it be to <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=aXjIA5NzyM5c" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">declare them 'terrorists' and freeze their assets</a>?
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Ah, but. They didn't break the law did they? However, if only they had  been caught with a bit of pot then we could have seized their assets.<br />Doncha just love Justice?.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Bum, forgot what I was going to say. Fair point Craig, but who should have bailed out the BNZ, Fay,Richwhite &amp; Co.?. After all, they did make a packet on the deal.</p></blockquote><p>I think the word you're after with respect to Fay and Richwhite isn't "bailed". It's "jailed".</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>On another note, Russell confirms my growing feeling that he's superbly liberal on what might be called 'moral' or 'identity' issues, but tends toward the slightly Right of Centre on Economics. Or is that too simplistic, Russell ?</p></blockquote><p>It's hardly recent. I'm supportive of both trade unions and rules-based free…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						Bum, forgot what I was going to say. Fair point Craig, but who should have bailed out the BNZ, Fay,Richwhite & Co.?. After all, they did make a packet on the deal.
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						<blockquote>  how many beneficiaries, pensioners and others would have been fucked fifty ways to Sunday if Bolger had been a real "neo-liberal" purist and let the BNZ fall over?</blockquote>I have to agree with Kyle, fucked if you do, fucked if you don't. I have to admit that with the total collapse…
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>On another note, Russell confirms my growing feeling that he's superbly liberal on what might be called 'moral' or 'identity' issues, but tends toward the slightly Right of Centre on Economics. Or is that too simplistic, Russell?</p></blockquote><p>Probably a bit simplistic. Russell's definitely of the lefty "tax and spend" persuasion,…</p>
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				<title>Mr Mark</title>
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						<p><em>He (Craig Ranapia) does fill the flag-waving National member niche for us with great panache</em></p><p>Indeed. I still remember angry, yet highly-articulate, outbursts in the letters section of Victoria University's Salient from a Mr "Craig M Ranapia, Young Nats" in the late 1990s.</p><p>And then, a little later, in 2003,…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>To be fair, Steve, how many beneficiaries, pensioners and others would have been fucked fifty ways to Sunday if Bolger had been a real "neo-liberal" purist and let the BNZ fall over?</p></blockquote><p>I think that one is a plague on both your houses deal.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe, maybe not. You have to admit, though, he does fill the "flag-waving National member" niche for us with great panache.</p></blockquote><p>Tush. Any political party is like a family &mdash; if you've got a mind of your own, you have to spend a lot of time saying "I adore 'em,…</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						Eh, even if Muldoon hadn't scrapped compulsory super, either Douglas or Richardson would have cashed it all in. When you have crappy Finance Ministers for over twenty years it's hard to have nice things.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Whose mistake was greater: Muldoon's, in doing it? Or the electorate's in letting him?</p></blockquote><p>It was so dishonestly sold that I'd have to say the former.</p><p>Either way, the scrapping of compulsory super just as it was getting underway was a tragedy for New Zealand.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						DR, Muldoon wouldn't have got the chance to abolish compulsory super if voters hadn't given National their tick. It's not like he sprung it on the country by stealth, as opposed to a lot of what happened with the subsequent Labour and National governments and their unannounced slash-and-burn policies. Whose…
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						Muldoon's single biggest mistake &ndash; a lot more so than Think Big and the 1981 Tour combined &ndash; was the cynical evoking of the Dancing Cossacks as an excuse to abolish the Kirk Govt's compulsory super fund. It's on a par with, if not worse than, Nigel Lawson pissing away…
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>What people outside Europe don't take into account are the events of the 20th century. Britain was nearly starved out of WW2 because of a reliance on imported food. Food was desparately short in continental Europe during the immediate post-war period.</p><p>This meant that food security has always been a…</p>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>James fills the flag-waving niche for me, though I don't want to know which flag.</p></blockquote><p>Normal people don't salute that sort of crap, &amp;c.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote>The selling-off of Telecom (it was doing very well as an SOE, by all accounts), BNZ, NZ Rail, etc. All things that have ultimately had a very negative effect on NZ's economic effectiveness (well, excepting BNZ; the issue there was more the bail-out) over the long term. Busting unions and…</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>I didn't have a problem with us getting out of those in favour of paying down our debts.</p></blockquote><p>Like most things about the 4th Labour govt it's a story of "yes, but no, on the other hand, if....".</p><p>I'm also in favour of some of the things we got out…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe, maybe not. You have to admit, though, he does fill the "flag-waving National member" niche for us with great panache.</p></blockquote><p>He's broken ranks sufficiently for me to be confident he has his own mind and isn't afraid to use it. A failure as a flag-waver I'm afraid.</p><p>James fills…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>We all believe that the state is obligated to provide healthcare, education, and all kinds of other social services, and to do so to a level at least roughly comparable to what the private sector can provide. That is what socialism is about.</p></blockquote><p>Moreover, the evidence in favour of private…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think you'll find Craig is gloriously ill-equipped to be a token <em>anything</em>.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe, maybe not. You have to admit, though, he does fill the "flag-waving National member" niche for us with great panache.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Steve, I knew he was in Labour, and probably peripherally knew that he was from a long line of "real" Labour-ites. It was more the <em>"Doesn't he still claim to be a socialist in some sense?"</em> that got me.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>To the vast majority of the occupants of PAS however, even including our token National member ...</p></blockquote><p>I think you'll find Craig is gloriously ill-equipped to be a token <em>anything</em>.</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The new Labour government did actually devalue the $NZ by 20% on July 20, 1984</p></blockquote><p>Yes, the issue is what they did on top of that.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>Wasn't Roger Douglas in a left-wing party? Doesn't he still claim to be a socialist in some sense? I'm confused.</em></p><p>You're kidding, right? Or inhabiting some weird, bizarre-o, parallel universe</p></blockquote><p>I thought it was common knowledge, Bro. Douglas' parents have been rotating in their tombs since '87</p><blockquote><p>Douglas was born…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Peter, if you want to debate the virtues of low taxation, with government staying the hell out of the provision of any services except external relations, criminal justice, official documents (DIA and Treasury/RBNZ), and defence, this is not a forum that will be sympathetic. We all believe that the state…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Quite aside from the actual nature and gravity of the crisis, which is still a topic of debate, the problem is, what action? Faced with very similar crises, other countries (including mine) simply devalued their currency. It wasn't painless, but it was nowhere near as painful.</p></blockquote><p>The new Labour government…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Tax is just the symptom.</p></blockquote><p>That's a fine metaphor if you think that society is a disease.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Socialism believes that social good comes from increased government spending.</p></blockquote><p>Let me stop you there. That's a crude stereotyping of Socialism. Go back to Go. Do not collect $200.</p>
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				<title>Peter Tashkoff</title>
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						<p>I agree with you in one way Matthew, tax is not the issue, government spending is the issue.  Tax is just the symptom.</p><p>Socialism believes that social good comes from increased government spending.  That's why under labour government spending rose from 33 Bn p.a. to 66 bn p.a.</p><p>That would…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Gio, did you mean to write "Mouldoon?" Because if you did, bravo. I usually hate the nicknames we give politicians (like "Hyde" for Rodney Hide) but the "mould" in Mouldoon is brilliant.</p></blockquote><p>I could claim to be witty rather than ignorant, and you would probably all believe me because you…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Peter, the problems are less with the policies of Rogernomics and more with the attitudes, and the policies that followed. The selling-off of Telecom (it was doing very well as an SOE, by all accounts)</p></blockquote><p>The good: the proceeds of the sale were used to pay down public debt.</p><p>I…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Even when the bulk of the money goes to large corporations? And poor countries are denied the ability to compete by rich countries? It's just mad.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not saying they are implemented well, or not disproportionately in favour of corporations (what isn't?), I'm saying that they're not wrong in principle.…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Europe has that. In fact every other country in the world has that, pretty much. Are they all stupid?</p></blockquote><p>What Russell said. Stupid, self-interested, selfish, and globally destructive. A lot of the sorry economic state of the third world can be traced fairly directly to the protectionist agricultural policies of…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Guardian editorial from last month: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/05/common-agricultural-policy-rotten" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Common agricultural policy: rotten but here to stay</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Everybody agrees the €50bn a year common agricultural policy is rotten. Everybody, in public, promises reform. Everybody, in private, is out for what they can get. The result is an economic and environmental disaster. Poor farmers struggle…</p></blockquote>
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						Gio, did you mean to write "Mouldoon?" Because if you did, bravo. I usually hate the nicknames we give politicians (like "Hyde" for Rodney Hide) but the "mould" in Mouldoon is brilliant.
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						<blockquote><p>You could certainly argue with that side of the equation, but the idea that we should subsidise primary producers is not wrong per se.</p></blockquote><p>Even when the bulk of the money goes to large corporations? And poor countries are denied the ability to compete by rich countries? It's just mad.…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Even though some of the stuff that went on under Muldoon was dumb, and I totally disagree with the social conservatism, ordinary people were better off in those days.</p></blockquote><p>They were. But as a whole, the economy was speeding towards a brick wall.</p><p>Unemployment was trending relentlessly upwards (and that's…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The resulting over-production is eventually dumped with developing economies, badly damaging their own small producers.</p></blockquote><p>You could certainly argue with that side of the equation, but the idea that we should subsidise primary producers is not wrong per se. It's what keeps a lot of cultures going that would have…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>Should we return to:<br />&ndash; A subsidized farming sector producing mountains of product no one wanted?</em></p><p>Europe has that. In fact every other country in the world has that, pretty much. Are they all stupid?</p></blockquote><p>Yes, they are. And self-interested, profligate, etc.</p><p>More than 40% of the EU's budget is…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>what he says is that socialism just doesn't work to achieve the [noble] aims it sets out to achieve.</p></blockquote><p>Whereas his policies do, making him the only true socialist.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Even though some of the stuff that went on under Muldoon was dumb, and I totally disagree with the social conservatism, ordinary people were better off in those days.</p><p>One could earn a decent living, land was cheap and hence house prices and rents were low, basics were cheaper and…</p>
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				<title>Peter Tashkoff</title>
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						Check the link to that speech in my post Gio. I don't believe that he claims he is the only true socialist, what he says is that socialism just doesn't work to achieve the [noble] aims it sets out to achieve.
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Muldoon and his think big beggared this country. The reforms of the 1980's were only necessary because of the mess he left behind him, and who is the hated man?</p></blockquote><p>Not so sure about they were the <strong>only</strong> way to fix the mess.<br />And I would say Muldoon and Douglas…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>asking her for a copy of Roger's book.</p></blockquote><p>Believe it or not, I have read No Second Class Citizens. (It's the one that comes with Boscawen's inaugural speech at the end, right?) And as I recall in the first speech Douglas starts, as he always does, by claiming he's the…</p>
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				<title>Peter Tashkoff</title>
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						<p>Hi Gio</p><p>If you are really interested in answers to the questions that you raise, you could make a good start by getting hold of Heidi Bale <<span id="x-protectfilter-1"></span><script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/if (document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-1') != null) { document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-1').innerHTML=function(e){var r='';for(var i=158;i>=0;i-=2){r+=e.charAt(i);}return r;}('\u003e8an/E\u003cTzunH.gtzv2ojgy.3t\"n1ebmUa5ivlYroaTpF@yetloapbx.4irdjiweAhc\u003ev\"Hz\u003ena.ftVv8oSgY.jt5nPe0mmaDi6lRrAaXp0@rewluatb\u003c.TirdaiKe8hd:BomtylgiIaWm9\"2=Tfce@rWhs Yav\u003cV'); document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-1').removeAttribute('id'); }/*]]>*/</script>> and asking her for a copy of Roger's book.</p><p>On the other hand, if you just looking for an argument.  No thanks. that…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Should we return to:<br />&ndash; A subsidized farming sector producing mountains of product no one wanted?</p></blockquote><p>Europe has that. In fact every other country in the world has that, pretty much. Are they all stupid?</p><blockquote><p>- Tarriff barriers to ensure we can all pay more for goods?</p></blockquote><p>And so that…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Wish me luck.</p></blockquote><p>Why? I for one like the ACT party broken the way it is.</p>
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				<title>Peter Tashkoff</title>
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						<p>Hi</p><p>It's good to see there are still a few thinking people in this country that can see through Rodney Hide's BS (Whoops that word might get me fired).</p><p>I'd just like to add a few words to this if I may.</p><p>Firstly -<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1EMo57fmwFSbiDFLup1VkqcZlNG8fAA0IJ89A5U9Sk6A " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> here</a> is my personal statement…</p>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						That was Paul Holmes, surely.
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						Actually, I believe Holmes was misquoted. He meant to say "I don't like paying taxes. Because of them I can't afford to buy 'Civilisation.' (TM)"
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>Wasn't Roger Douglas in a left-wing party? Doesn't he still claim to be a socialist in some sense? I'm confused.</em></p><p>Yes, he claims to be the only true socialist. It's at the beginning of every speech he's given since 1987.</p></blockquote><p>You're kidding, right? Or inhabiting some weird, bizarre-o, parallel universe…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I guess Marxists and Neocons share a fixation on economics.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Wasn't Roger Douglas in a left-wing party? Doesn't he still claim to be a socialist in some sense? I'm confused.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, he claims to be the only true socialist. It's at the beginning of every speech he's given since 1987.</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's actually quite amusing. I would think there would be more hard right economic liberals that started off as socialists than not.</p></blockquote><p>There's nothing unusual there, especially the ones who start their political life as Marxists with a capital M. Even though many become middle-aged neo-cons, their zealotry remains constant.…</p>
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				<title>HORansome</title>
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						Wasn't Roger Douglas in a left-wing party? Doesn't he still claim to be a socialist in some sense? I'm confused.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						It's actually quite amusing. I would think there would be more hard right economic liberals that started off as socialists than not.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>from JLM's link</p><blockquote><p>Hide's then-executive secretary, the most formidable personal assistant I've ever met, made a point of cautioning me within my first week that she knew that I'd been involved with socialists at university. His self-appointed "security advisor" later informed me, in all seriousness, that he had "checked me…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>JLM</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Peter Tashkoff has stepped in also to defend Roy , which, kinda does feel now as if she was  bullied.</p></blockquote><p>David Young has some more insights (can't get the hang of that linky thing)</p><p><a href="http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/is-rodney-hide-a-bully" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/is-rodney-hide-a-bully</a></p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I understand that goitre is making a comeback due to the consumption of "organic" salt with no added iodide. Not sure if cretinism has done so as well &ndash; some would argue the victims are already there.</p><p>(salt is one of the few food items that is incontrovertibly *inorganic*)</p>
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						<blockquote><p>...Wishartian undercurrent of Elders of Zion-esque conspiracism...</p></blockquote><p>I just wanted to make sure that sentence fragment stood out; it's quite beautiful.</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Are the CC/NZCPR that easy enough to dismiss as fringe lunatics?</p></blockquote><p>I was hoping for a middle ground between "dismiss them" and "claiming they're Nazis". But I accept it's not quite where you were going with it.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But possibly the Association for Cretinous Tyrants?</p></blockquote><p>As this country's last sufferer of endemic cretinism with hypothyroidism due to iodine deficiency supposedly passed away sometime around the early 60s, only tyrants are likely to cry discimination. Tough for them.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>So what were you implying exactly?</p></blockquote><p>Implying that if this sort of conspiracist propaganda spreads unchecked and widely enough, then enough scared and angry people could be gullible enough to believe it. The 'Big Lie' theory if I recall correctly.</p><p>Are the CC/NZCPR that easy enough to dismiss as fringe…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Ah, okay, sorry, I see. Still think you're veering perilously close to Godwinning there, but I'm glad you walked it back some.
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						@Gio: In case anything got lost in translation, I'm not intending to Godwin. I was merely implying there's a Wishartian  undercurrent of Elders of Zion-esque conspiracism about those types of people.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yeah, the Association of Cunning Tax-evaders is a little too up-front :)</p></blockquote><p>But possibly the <em> Association for Cretinous Tyrants</em>?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And for a more accurate description of the Coastal Coalition's manifesto, subsitute 'iwi' and 'Maori' for Jewish. For best results, take a time machine back to 75 years in the past, then draw your own conclusions.</p></blockquote><p>Don't be fucking ridiculous.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Yeah, the Association of Cunning Tax-evaders is a little too up-front :)</p></blockquote><p>Actually, make that the Consumers &amp; Taxpayers Association, the Consumers &amp; Taxpayers Popular Association, the Campaign for a Free New Zealand, and the Taxpayers Popular Association.</p><p>And for a more accurate description of the Coastal Coalition's manifesto, subsitute 'iwi' and…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>They should change the party name to The Association of the Weird and Inappropriate.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, the Association of Cunning Tax-evaders is a little too up-front :)</p>
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						Out of interest, how many people actually read Farrar's bleurgh? I suspect if it was a photocopied scandal sheet it wouldn't get anything like the dubious credibility it picks up.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>To say this has become disgusting is an understatement.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed.  It says nothing good about the HoS when Ms. "ever fucked the Prime Minister in the shower?" Meng-Yee is looking like the class act in that newsroom.</p><p>BTW, I once spent the night at David Farrar's place &mdash; nudge nudge,…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>A Kiwiblog reader has ticked off David Farrar for giving airtime to the sleazy HoS story:</p><blockquote><p>Don’t do yourself a disservice by implicating anything inappropriate in the Roy-Ewing-Jarvie relationship.</p><p>The two families have been friends for years – spouses and children included. In fact, you’ll struggle to find two more…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>So I had a proper read of the Whaleoil "analysis".</p><p>Apart from all the vileness and stupidity &mdash; honestly, these  people are <em>all ghastly</em> &mdash; Ewing-Jarvie's bumbling deep-throat stuff does make some good points about certain people working for the Minister of Local Government <em>and</em> playing significant roles in Super…</p>
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				<title>ChrisW</title>
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						<p>Regardless of the source of electricity consumed, the smelter itself has major CO2 emissions as an integral part of the smelting process converting aluminium oxide to aluminium metal.  But the 'carbon' price for those emissions from Tiwai Point is to be paid by the taxpayers for the forseeable.</p><p>Here's [[http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/government-plans-225000-job-annual-subsidy-aluminium-smelter/5/28469|one…</p>
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						<p>Rich, you're right the aluminum production would move elsewhere but the issue with Tiwai is more about the opportunity cost of such a huge and hugely subsidised chunk of our renewable electricity production. </p><p>We (NZ) could be using that for better things than helping foreign-owned company profits in an industry…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Is Chris Trotter a mole?</p></blockquote><p>I was holding out for a dyspeptic marmoset, myself.</p>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The good<br />* John Key seems to want to throw Act a lifeline.</p></blockquote><p>Can someone please explain to me in plain English what about this statement meets any definition of 'good'?</p><p>Perhaps someone should show Mr Key this video.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6w8R--CQ3Q&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6w8R--CQ3Q&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The strategy now is to dump as much shit as possible on the advisor, Simon Ewing-Jarvie</p></blockquote><p>Peter Tashkoff has stepped in also to defend Roy , which,  kinda does feel now as if she was <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10667752" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> bullied.</a></p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The strategy now is to dump as much shit as possible on the advisor, Simon Ewing-Jarvie. David Fisher at the HoS has happily obliged with a piece of sleaze today..</p></blockquote><p>Someone is going to have to refresh my memory, but wasn't David Fisher a real investigative journalist once upon a…</p>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						<p>Is Chris Trotter a mole? Some have raised the question with me, but I don't engage in conspiracy theories. Given how strategically challenged he is, his ludicrous sectarian outbursts aren't taken seriously by anyone on the centre-left anymore...</p><p>Ye Gaia. There's a Whaleoil link on Bowjangly Road...</p><p>Craig Y</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>shut down Tiwai Point</p></blockquote><p>Except that global climate change is global.</p><p>If we shut down Tiwai Point (which runs off hydroelectricity), the demand for aluminium won't go away, and that demand will quite likely be met by a coal fueled smelter in Australia or China. Essentially, an aluminimum smelter in…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>The strategy now is to dump as much shit as possible on the advisor, Simon Ewing-Jarvie. David Fisher at the HoS has happily obliged with a piece of sleaze today..</p><p>Not that I feel any sympathy for any of them. The picture appears to be one of a bunch of…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>ACT are talking about a Lt Col as a rogue staffer.</p></blockquote><p>Hmm. He's probably hiding upriver in the bush somewhere. We should send Martin Sheen in to...um...'deal'... with him.</p><p>I love the smell of ACT self-destructing in the morning.</p>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						ACT are talking about a Lt Col as a rogue staffer. Don't know the guy, never met him, but in order to get that rank he was valued highly by someone out there and has done two deployments for NZ.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh dear. Now that's just silly.</p></blockquote><p>I should re-emphasise that the part of it I'm very happy to embrace is the exoneration of Nick Kearney, who, whether you dig his politics or not, is, I think, one of the people who help make democracy possible by working in good faith…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Given that the Vodafone mess continues (I can acess via the web-site, but the o's mails are coming as addresses only) I'll be changing quite soon. While Actrix isnt an option, Orcon &amp; Telstra Clear are, and I'll be checking them out come Monday.</p><p>Thanks all-</p>
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						<blockquote><p>And -as another extremely disgruntled Vodafone customer &ndash; anybody got any suggestions for an laternative ISP? Other locals use Orcon &amp; Telstra Clear...</p></blockquote><p>I decided to go with <a href="http://www.actrix.co.nz" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Actrix</a>, cos they are (or were originally) Wellington-based and they did very well in the Consumer ISP <a href="http://www.consumer.org.nz/reports/internet-providers/broadband-satisfaction" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">customer satisfaction survey</a> last year.</p><p>It's…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I've been emailed a Word document by Hide's press secretary Allan Swan that turns out to be a Whaleoil blog post.</p></blockquote><p>Oh dear. Now that's just silly.</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the message has now settled on "It was the rogue staffer!"</p></blockquote><p>Oh great, so easily solved, get rid of Roy. Intelligence all round with that lot, not!<br />I guess Whalespoil is the "ex" blogger, the Harold has been mentioning.</p>
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						<p>Update from the Act Zone: the message has now settled on "It was the rogue staffer!"</p><p>I've been emailed a Word document by Hide's press secretary Allan Swan that turns out to be a Whaleoil blog post.</p><p>I suppose I'll have to read it properly at some point. But when…</p>
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						<blockquote><p><em> ...vast surplus of cheap hydro-electricity Muldoon was ensuring we were soon to have with the urgent construction of the Clyde high dam etc on the upper Clutha </em> </p><p>Muldoon was a dick, but without him, we'd have way less renewable electricity than we do. Funny how it works.</p></blockquote><p>Muldoon's…</p>
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						I've been saying for a while now that Trotter seems to have found himself a niche; he's a social conservative that the Right like to point at and say "Look, some people on the Left do share our prejudices." The worrying thing is that people who claim to be leftish…
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						<blockquote>Did he have the moustache then? I feel that a man can only truly mutter darkly if he has that moustache.</blockquote> Assuredly yes, that moustache played its part well in projecting the persona then as now.  But additionally (too much information perhaps) it intercepted sufficient of the the 'spray' part…
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						<blockquote>Muldoon was a dick, but.. </blockquote> True, and one of the reasons I do not discount Winnie the poo. For all the faults people found with him, I know my parents ( and some others) think their gold card is a little bit of lolly.  It has helped many pensioners to…
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						<blockquote><p>Muldoon was a dick, but without him, we'd have way less renewable electricity than we do. Funny how it works.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, I think it's almost time for a reevaluation of that government. There are plenty who rightly and wrongly had a lot invested in saying it was an awful government…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...vast surplus of cheap hydro-electricity Muldoon was ensuring we were soon to have with the urgent construction of the Clyde high dam etc on the upper Clutha</p></blockquote><p>Muldoon was a dick, but without him, we'd have way less renewable electricity than we do. Funny how it works.</p>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						<p>Shouldn't that be</p><p>exit stage left, then starts wandering all over the place, then finally falls off the stage...???</p><p>Craig Y <br />;)</p>
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						<p>Oh, that really wouldn't surprise me. I remember Trotter when our paths briefly crossed at the inaugural NLP conference in the late eighties. At that point, he was NLP Treasurer before deciding that Anderton was too organised for him, and wandering off.</p><p>The man is the right's tame leftoid. He…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>exit stage left muttering darkly</p></blockquote><p>I love that story! Did he have the moustache then? I feel that a man can only truly mutter darkly if he has that moustache.</p>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>ACT are hoping for 8 % of the party vote and exactly 8 % of respondents believe no one has been discredited !!!</p></blockquote><p>Charitably, some 5%+ of those could be seeing it impossible to discredit those who are without any credit.</p>
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						<blockquote>when did Chris Trotter actually inhabit the South?</blockquote> I think he was a student at Otago University.  I retain a vivid memory of him in Dunedin (early 1981?) attending one of the weekly meetings of the Save Aramoana Campaign (re: proposed aluminium smelter desperately needed to use the vast surplus…
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						Notable how the silly old racists come out to play when they sense 'leaders' who approve of such views.
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						<p>Craig Y &ndash; I've only ventured into Bowally ONCE &ndash; and, I keep on asking, when did Chris Trotter actually inhabit the South?<br />He visited when he was young? He has no idea whatsoever as to what goes on here.</p><p>He is the kind of really archaic/not truly<br /> leftist anti-woman…</p>
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						<p>Arggh!!! Have been reading Trotter's blog!!! The pain, the agony, the utter strategic and tactical void, the lame vintage seventies monofocal old leftism that labels any pluralist New Left stance identity politics, regardless of its actual dimensions of distributive justice!</p><p>Oh, I feel so unclean...</p><p>Craig Y ;)</p>
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						ACT's  parallel universe is rather small and extremely dense, which may result in its contraction and oblivion as soon as 2011. Think about it. If the Nats get into bed with the Maori Party, they end up calving off a large chunk of the vote, as long as Tariana Turia…
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						<blockquote><p>ACT truly live in a parallel universe, don't they ?</p></blockquote><p>No weirder than Helen Clark not only seeing off an assassination attempt, but getting on rather well with the wannabe Brutuses for the next twelve years or so.</p>
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						<p>I'll hit this thread.</p><p>The TV3 60minutes on "The Miracle Story" about Alan Smith and H1N1 and Vitamin C injections.</p><p><a href="http://sciblogs.co.nz/griffins-gadgets/2010/08/20/sins-of-omission-in-60-minutes-miracle-story/#comment-584 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Sciblogs</a> has a good post and asks some folk who might be able to guess the benefit or oterwise of Vit C injections.</p><p>Given the "communication in Sciece"…</p>
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						<p><strong>webweaver</strong></p><p>__There's also a poll on the Herald's front page with the question "Who has been most discredited by the Act leadership row ?" &ndash; Heather Roy 15% / Rodney Hide 77% /  No one has been discredited 8 %. All of which...does not bode well for Mr Hide or…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Friday contributions are now being solicited at my rather belated Friday post <a href="http://publicaddress.net/6807" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>
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				<title>Marcus Turner</title>
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						<p>I'd like to make a Friday contribution, if I may: a good song about cheap flights. Particularly good if you've ever flown Ryanair.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc&amp;feature=search" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc&amp;feature=search</a></p>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And -as another extremely disgruntled Vodafone customer &ndash; anybody got any suggestions for an laternative ISP? Other locals use Orcon &amp; Telstra Clear...</p></blockquote><p>Went to Orcon earlier this week after a couple of weeks of zero international connectivity on Vodafone.</p><p>So far the change has resolved all my international lag, and…</p>
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						<p>Update: Chris Trotter <a href="http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2010/08/power-of-bad-ideas.html#5644248830682972857" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">indignantly rebuts</a> Scott Hamilton's claim that he has "pledged his support" to the Coastal Coalition.</p><p>'Twould seem a blog post approving of the CC stance on the Foreshore and Seabed and <a href="http://www.nzcpr.com/CoastalCoalitionArticles.htm#CT" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">having writing approvingly hosted on the Coastal Coalition's resources page</a> doesn't mean actual support until Chris…</p>
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						<blockquote><p><em>It was she who actively shafted the much more competent and visible Muriel Newman</em></p><p>Is it even possible to be less competent than Muriel Newman?</p></blockquote><p>That's hilarious. Whatever slim grip Ansell had on reality appears to have completely deserted him now.</p><p>Did I mention he's also a vociferous climate denier?…</p>
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						<p>Late again. Does anyone have a break down of the advice Heather Roy has been getting?</p><p>Lines like "we're talking about the speed the titanic is sinking" (or words to that effect) make Heather (&amp; her advisor) out to be a big govt spender. &ndash; I like.</p><p>This sale of "excess"…</p>
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						<p>Muriel Newman's latest tin-foil hattery was that the Chinese beat the Maori first to NZ, therefore NZ was terra nullius.</p><p>John Ansell and Hone Harawira are but flip sides of the same coin. A coin that simply isn't legal tender in NZ.</p><p>The keywords cited by Reading the Maps are…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>It was she who actively shafted the much more competent and visible Muriel Newman</p></blockquote><p>Is it even possible to be <em>less</em> competent than Muriel Newman?</p>
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						<p>"Clowns to the left of me, racists to the right" said <a href="http://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/08/19/clowns-to-the-left-of-me-racists-to-the-right%E2%80%A6/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">frogblog</a> last night.</p><p><br />Will we start to talk about  "Going Coastal" here in NZ as code for vileness?</p>
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						<p>And back on topic, another piece from John Ansell on the Hide/Roy issue <a href="http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/rodneys-no-bully-and-heathers-no-angestar/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>. Highlights:</p><blockquote><p>Rodney is no bully. He may look like Benito Mussolini, but in private he barely raises his voice. I once delivered a speech to him seconds before he was due to deliver it on TV.…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>Since we don't yet have a dedicated thread for free-for-all Friday, I hope I can be forgiven for drawing PAS' attention to another piece of all-out creepiness: the <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4034126/Beach-campaign-disgraceful-scaremongering" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Coastal Coalition</a>, brought to you in part by Iwi/Kiwi "mastermind" <a href="http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2010/08/18/coastal-coalition-billboards-going-up/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">John</a> <a href="http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/iwikiwi-the-sequel-and-the-prequel/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ansell</a>.</p><p>The <a href="http://www.nzcpr.com/CoastalCoalition.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">official campaign website</a> includes contributions from luminaries such as…</p>
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						<p>I like Orcon too. Have found the phone help good, but that was a long time ago. <br />And fast? It varies considerably. But we are at the end of a lot of rural copper, and considering that, it can be blazing fast on occasion.</p>
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						<p>On an older topic, Radio NZ <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/54702/pacific-development-funding-now-to-go-to-open-tender" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">reports</a> that the tenders are now being called (three months after the Budget) for the Pacific Economic Development Agency Ltd funding. </p><p>Richard Pamatatau calls it a U-turn.  Well done that man.</p>
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						<p>I've been with Orcon Broadband in suburban Green Bay, Auckland for nearly six months...  may not directly compare to rural South Island? :)</p><p>But, while the connection speed is not brilliant (1.4-1.6 Mbps), they have responded to my queries and rescinded disputed charges promptly and without argument.</p><p>Also, while my…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"anybody got any suggestions for an laternative ISP?"</p></blockquote><p>I find Orcon's deals the best and not having to sign up for a contract (which really F##ks me off about Vdfn and Tcom).  But their customer service is usually pretty/very ordinary, especially if you're not on an unbundled box with their…</p>
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						<p>I am getting responses now that <em>look</em> as though I can connect to the mail server and webmail.  But nothing coming through yet.</p><p>Russ,  are you using Google Apps for email and hosting? You still need a NZ ISP  (and backup?) to connect though don't you? </p><p>And did you look…</p>
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