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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>I would presume that if your ratings continue to get higher, you sell the same amount of advertising for more money, and can either return more money to your parent company or spend more money on improving the quality.</q></p><p>You would presume right.  It's great that CL is paying its…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:42:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>Interesting that he said that the ratings were not a prime concern because they're selling all the advertising that they have available, and they're making a profit in the show. Does anyone know if Close Up is in the same boat?</p><p>I would presume that if your ratings continue to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 17:32:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Chittenden</title>
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						<p><q>Beautiful example of the human truth in a 'soft' story &ndash; Kiwi who helped create Big Bird, and a love story spanning 50 years.</q></p><p>Very nice story, thanks Sacha.</p><p>Really enjoyed the full JC interview.  Nice to get an insight into some of the pressures and demands as well as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:48:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>John Roughan <a href="razor wire comfort blanket">continues to justify keeping his head in the sand</a>. Surgeon-General's warning: Percussive or projectile therapy may follow. Luckily where I work, new LED screens are cheap.</p><p>It'd be very interesting if Mr Roughan was forced to face these hungry kids in person. Bonus points if…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:23:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						I watched the full interview with John Campbell and was really impressed with the passion and drive he displayed for his show and, dare I say it, his mission.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:58:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>m a big fan of that. In particular, when you make TV, you learn how much art and craft your video editor brings to your report</q></p><p>When I was a TV director I learned that lesson fast – your editor makes the programme. Your job is to bring as much…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:10:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Glory! Barker is brillant!
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:01:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>john  Drinnan</title>
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						You're absolutely right Damian &ndash;  CL has done some good things lately but there's a tendency to get carried away.  Sometimes its difficult to work out which JC correspondents here are talking about, In general though TV3's approach  to current affairs seems to be more coherent than TVNZ's right now.…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 21:00:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>choco-ade coverage</q></p><p>Yes. Like Marmageddon, everyone seemed to get suckered by that one.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:55:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						That was a damn fine interview Russell, some beautiful nuggets in there, resonant stuff.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:51:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Good discussion. I don't know anything about all these peoplemeters and demographics and that, so I'll just say this:</p><p>Like many New Zealanders I have to deal with the jokes from friends overseas (well, they're mostly jokes) about living in the past, "turn your watch back 30 years", etc. And…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:50:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>john  Drinnan</title>
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						Good points Graeme &ndash; Campbell Live has been doing some good things, Saluted ths show in nzherald this week but has still been susceptible to crap like everybody else &ndash; choco-ade coverage a case in point. There's no doubt that Close Up has been dysfunctional for some time &ndash; but…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:46:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>One thing that John Campbell does that I thoroughly approve of is the credit he gives on stories to the reporters and the back office staff – camera people, editors, producers et al.</q></p><p>I'm a <strong>big</strong> fan of that. In particular, when you make TV, you learn how much art…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:55:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bruce Ellis</title>
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						Haven't had time to read all the posts so my comment may have been covered. One thing that John Campbell does that I thoroughly approve of is the credit he gives on stories to the reporters and the back office staff &ndash; camera people, editors, producers et al. I enjoyed…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:41:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Beautiful example of the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10840243" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">human truth</a> in a 'soft' story &ndash; Kiwi who helped create Big Bird, and a love story spanning 50 years.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:36:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Full version of the <a href="http://ondemand.tv3.co.nz/Media-3-Full-Interview-with-John-Campbell/tabid/78/articleID/8415/MCat/540/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">John Campbell interview</a> (22 mins).
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:34:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Excellent interview with John Campbell on Media3 this morning, Russell. If only more of our news commentators were that quick-witted and articulate,
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:54:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						Sky is in over 50% of NZ households now (or so they said a year or so back), and I'd take a guess that about half of them have MySky so I'd seriously question their ratings if they don't have a fair spread and a way to accurately measure what…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:46:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Nielsen did add 50 households with PVRs to the Peoplemeter Panel earlier this year (prior to that there was no way of reporting tine-shifting through MySky etc) but I don't know what impact it has made,
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 22:13:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p>How does MYSKY viewing get included in the ratings?  (If at all???)</p><p>I would record through MYSKY about 5 hours of sport every day.  Some days a bit less, some days it'd be closer to 24 hours (like during the weekends), and then watch it back either fast forwarding through…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 20:10:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q> The impact of advertising is both weak and cumulative. By the time you have reached middle age, your brand preferences have been set by long repeated exposure and require an even greater exposure to reset and redirect .</q></p><p>I think it varies from product to product. Smokers, for instance, are…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:37:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>One explanation I heard suggests as we grow older, the less susceptible we are to the blandishments and deceits of advertising.</q></p><p>Here's a thought. The impact of advertising is both weak and cumulative. By the time you have reached middle age, your brand preferences have been set by long repeated…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:30:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>I was watching X at the time so I’ll watch Y later online?</q></p><p>It gets measured somewhere yeah, but not part of the ratings I'm quoting no.  And you'd have to think it would either balance out in the end (person watches X and tapes Y, other person does the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:01:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>That statement deserved some analysis.</q></p><p>It doesn’t, really. I don’t agree with it, or the gist of it, but only put it forward to illustrate that just this week, while RB is applauding the great work of CL, someone else was saying to me exactly the opposite.  And the key…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:58:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>So how many are watching all the other channnels combined? Another 20%?</q></p><p>No, it's not actually anywhere near that much.  The drop-off to the other channels is such that (in the example I used), 0.9% watch Prime, 3.8% watch ALL Sky channels combined, and 1.2% watch something else. So it's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:54:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bevan Shortridge</title>
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						Ah. Time-shifted. Thanks for that.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:01:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Time-shifted ratings seem to exist, at least. Throng <a href="http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/10/time-shifted-tv-ratings-3-october-2012/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">publishes them</a> sporadically.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:38:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bevan Shortridge</title>
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						Do "On Demand" views ever get figured into ratings at all? I was watching X at the time so I'll watch Y later online? I guess it is problematic for current affairs where you may choose to watch a segment online(edit) but not the whole show.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:34:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>Disgruntled of Oratia, age 38</q></p><p>Yoofs always moaning about something. ;-)</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>trying to blame the rest of us for the problems of the poor</q></p><p>That statement deserved some analysis.<br />If you are not poor it means you have more stuff than the "poor" which, in a far and equitable society, you actually have some of their stuff.<br />Money can't buy happiness…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:33:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p>I like what Campbell is doing with the school lunches stuff because it's a REAL issue that needs sorting.</p><p>But having seen first hand the one sided hatchet job he did on our school (twice) over school violence/bullying and the restorative process last year, which was totally unfair, I'll take…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 11:29:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Even mucking around with Coronation Street’s timing is done in a disrespectful way. </q></p><p>Personally, I find it slightly more disrespectful that if you wanted to see excellent local  documentaries <em>Brother Number One</em> , <em>When A City Falls</em> and an early version of <em>Maori Boy Genius</em> you were shit out of…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						"I'm calling from Mumbai to tell you there's a problem with your Microsoft"
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						ah, the old double-bluff snares another victim :)
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p><q>No-one who’s ever done tech support for their parents is going to believe that older people are less susceptible to manipulation.</q> <br />As a newly arrived "older person" &ndash; I turned 60 this year &ndash; I don't buy this. <br />I have seen so many cycles of ad promises and the inevitable…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>One explanation I heard suggests as we grow older, the less susceptible we are to the blandishments and deceits of advertising. We don't buy so much by impulse or for status or because of emotional manipulation. Or so they say,,,,.</q></p><p>No-one who's ever done tech support for their parents is…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Bullshit I say, they just need to make smarter ads.</q></p><p>Yep</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p><q>Even mucking around with Coronation Street’s timing is done in a disrespectful way.</q></p><p><bugbear> I wouldn't mind all the timing being faffed about if we weren't falling behind by half an hour a week, every week. But it's apparently against their religion to keep up with the UK episodes. </bugbear></p><p>(Yours, Disgruntled…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> while Average Audience is the % of all people in NZ who are watching your programme</q></p><p>So if I understand that means ~30% of New Zealanders are watching TV1, 2 or 3 at 7 pm. So how many are watching all the other channnels combined? Another 20%? Do half of…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Given the number of ad breaks these days, they must be swimming in tea.
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						Nah, they drink a great deal of tea, and have managed in a lifetime's TV viewing to synchronise putting the kettle on with the ad break.
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						(another digression) ... and the proliferation of TV advertising  for expensive anti-ageing potions?  I recall the UK equivalent of Consumer (Choice?) doing research on their efficacy, to conclude that none of them worked except for minor success with a cheap potion sold by Boots. But  I guess people live in…
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						You only needed to attend one of the packed Save TVNZ7 meetings to feel the anger of the grey demographic at the dismissal of them on the public service TV issue and the ratings in general. Even mucking around with Coronation Street's timing is done in a disrespectful way. I've…
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>One explanation I heard suggests as we grow older, the less susceptible we are to the blandishments and deceits of advertising</q></p><p>As I've said above, these are two different discussions &ndash; not that I'm not fond of a bit of thread derailment :) But I agree entirely. What I've been…</p>
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						<p><q>but the Shortland Street watchers are somehow more valuable human beings.</q></p><p>I cite the 25-54 numbers because it’s traditional to use the demographic that channel is aimed at – using the 5+ figures almost always favours TV One (apparently due its older audience who don’t switch around as much).  Also,…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						One explanation I heard suggests as we  grow older, the less susceptible we are to the blandishments and deceits of  advertising. We don't buy so much  by impulse or for status or because of emotional manipulation.  Or so they say,,,,.
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						<p><q>I spoke to someone yesterday who complained about all the stuff Clive had been doing of late, saying it was trying to blame the rest of us for the problems of the poor</q></p><p>You know, I've listened to so much stupid shit in my life that I thought I was…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I've never seen a decent  explanation about why the advertising industry is so backwards about over-50s.
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						So there are probably a lot more people actually watching TV1 or TV3 at 7 pm than TV2, but the Shortland Street watchers are somehow more valuable human beings. What rubbish.
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						The craziest thing is that the younger age groups are also the most likely to favour other forms of media over TV.
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						We've talked about ratings before but it really annoys me how they dismiss half of the population &ndash; those over 54. Unjust, unfair and unrealistic for NZ with its aging population which watches television and has disposable income.
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						I've written about ratings and peoplemeters and all that before.  It's not great, not universal, not accurate etc, but everyone jumps up and down with glee when the ratings come back huge, and the big decisions as to what stays and goes are made on them, and they're all we've…
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q> It always troubles me when folk accept Peoplemeter data as gospel</q></p><p>Yup. There are <a href="http://www.agbnielsen.co.nz/tamoverview.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">600 homes with 900 peoplemeters</a> and that is it. Fricking voodoo programming and it's time they came clean.</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Ratings, schmatings!   It always troubles me when folk accept Peoplemeter  data as gospel.   As Bettina   Hollings famously said some years ago, "Ratings are a myth we all believe in".
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						<p><em>Song?</em> I only know it as Les Barker’s poem “Have you got any news of the iceberg?”<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKDakrjmwJc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKDakrjmwJc</a></p>
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				<title>graeme muir</title>
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						<p>Hi Sacha<br />I'd forgotten how nice and polite PA people are! Just quickly, because I've probably said all that I wanted &ndash; I'll leave it to the regulars here &ndash; we don't tend to do series (although we often run a story over two nights where we feel it's warranted)…</p>
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						Can I say that I dislike them both, passionately. I can't watch either without a deep feeling of sadness. Campbell Live may be the better of the two, but in tone, style, and substance, both lack acutely the measured and rational coverage I can take for granted when I'm watching…
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						<p><q>...how hard it is to fill half an hour of current affairs 5 days a week however many weeks a year we both do it, in a country our size</q></p><p>Well said. Maybe it would be an idea to do an hour a week of relevant stuff, rather than 2.5…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>It’s entirely your prerogative to prefer one programme over another, but I wonder if you’ve taken the time lately to properly watch, because the above statement just reads to me like a cute line (recycled tweet to John Campbell n’ all).</q></p><p>Thanks for coming here, Graeme. That line did sound…</p>
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				<title>Richard Grevers</title>
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						<p><q>I suppose when the Titanic was sinking some might think good reportage was a technical analysis of the ship’s buoyancy, the number of water-tight doors.Personally I would be more interested in interviewing the people stranded onboard and asking about the lack of life-boats.</q></p><p>An Ian Wishart would have been questioning…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Thank you for joining the conversation, Graeme. </p><p>What I've personally been enjoying most about Campbell Live lately is them following stories over many days so we get a complex issue like child poverty or the Dotcom fiasco explored in more depth than a single segment or a news hour can…</p>
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				<title>graeme muir</title>
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						<p>"Close Up’s ratings, while still generally ahead of Campbell’s have been dwindling nearly as much as its sense of purpose.<br />On the other hand, Campbell Live has been positively bristling with purpose this year."</p><p>It's entirely your prerogative to prefer one programme over another, but I wonder if you've taken…</p>
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						<p><q>Yep, but also vice versa.</q></p><p>I agree entirely. <br />The relationship between the fact of too few lifeboats (the company finagled shipping regulations to avoid having too many lifeboats spoil the look of the decks) the fact of poor crew training and policies that led to lifeboats being launched half empty.…</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						I agree Campbell Live has been doing some great stuff lately.  Unfortunately, for a primetime current affairs show, that great stuff doesn't seem to be helping the ratings any.  I tend to keep a lazy eye across how the various shows do, and there was one day last week CLive…
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				<title>John Armstrong</title>
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						<p><q>Stories, they are complicated by facts.</q></p><p>Yep, but also vice versa. Without wanting to start any firestorms, facts in and of themselves are of limited use without being contextualised, and often, narrativised. I don't think that this denigrates the status of factual information, but instead highlights the care that needs…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Doyle</title>
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						Isn't some of the difference between hard and soft news similar to the study of history as dead politics (hard news) and social history?
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						<p><q>the Grant Nisbett of current affairs</q></p><p>Bwahahahahahaha!</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.mrsackroyd.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mrs Ackroyd Band</a> had a song about the polar bear family that lived there... <q>Have you got any news of the iceberg?<br />My family were on it you see.<br />Have you got any news of the iceberg?<br />They mean the whole world to me.</q>  <br />I heard heard it performed in…</p>
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						<p><q> asking about the lack of life-boats</q></p><p>As a complete aside, while it is true there were too few life boats overall on the titanic that is not why so many died.</p><p><q>Many lifeboats were only half-filled due to time delays to guide the women and children first into boats, or…</q></p>
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						<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCSB_Waihopai" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wikipedia reckons</a> Campbell and Hager broke in in 1996; Hager, Havoc and Newsboy in 1999. I never argue with wikipedia. Except sometimes :)
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						There are others in the media who have been quietly standing up for the little people for decades eg Simon Collins now of the Herald, and previously of Wellington's life saving City Voice. Here he gently points out the gaps in the Government's latest policy announcement about child abuse <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10839705" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10839705</a>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Wasn't that Jeremy Wells and Mikey Havoc?  One of them pee'd  on the fence. Or was that another time?
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						<p><q>I suppose when the Titanic was sinking some might think good reportage was a technical analysis of the ship’s buoyancy, the number of water-tight doors.</q></p><p>In the sort of news I read, the buoyancy of the Titanics doors has been featuring recently.<br /><a href="http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/titanic-mythbusters-kerb.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mythbusters and the Titanic's door</a></p>
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						I remember Hager and Campbell <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCSB_Waihopai" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">sneaking into the Waihopai</a> spy-satellite base. So old comrades in arms, maybe?
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						I first noticed John Campbell when he was one of the first to expose that scam on the west coast of logging native tress and that dodgy PR firm, in the late 1990s. He was working for 60 minutes or one of those so-called current affairs programmes. I think he…
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						<p><q>when done badly, personal stories can be selected and/or shaped to fit a convenient narrative.</q></p><p>Nature of news/current affairs production is they're <em>always</em> selected and shaped. The integrity of the selectors/shapers becomes even more important, and over time viewers judge for ourselves where they are coming from. Any pretence of…</p>
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						<p><q>Will no-one think of the iceberg?<br />Calved off, lost and lonely,<br />miles from home in the dark...</q></p><p>poetry</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						I have some significant regrets about how I covered the Corngate story at the time too. It was a fraught scene.
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						<p><q>If my memory serves me correctly, John Campbell publicly said that he regretted his uncompromising approach in that interview. It was a long time after the interview but for me it did say something about the man. </q></p><p>JC had a minor car accident on the way home from doing that…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>a multistoried event...</strong><br /><q>I suppose when the Titanic was sinking some might think good reportage was a technical analysis of the ship’s buoyancy....</q><br />Will no-one think of the iceberg?<br />Calved off, lost and lonely, <br />miles from home in the dark...<br />{ ;-  )</p>
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						Great column Russell.  When I was in New Zealand, I tended to watch Close Up if I was lucky enough to be home by seven.  I always liked Mark Sainsbury's style &ndash; he's somehow the Grant Nisbett of current affairs &ndash; but increasingly my memories of John Campbell are of…
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						I'd be interested to know how shows like Campbell Live work around BSA fines.  Are they budgeted for? How does the predicted budget stack up against actual outlay? Bang for Buck? And other such unseemly questions....
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				<title>Bruce Wurr</title>
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						Fantastic. And good embedding skills, despite Sacha's teachings, I still haven't got it!
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						<q> I had the audacity to follow twelve Spring Creek coal miners on a journey from Greymouth to Wellington to plead with politicians for their mine not to be closed. Yes I mentioned the basic facts; Solid Energy, the dollar, falling demand, 200 plus jobs at risk (later to become 400…</q>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> so called facts</q></p><p>grrrrrrr</p><p>Fact are facts. Sometimes we can get the facts wrong and that is called a mistake, which is just fine, we all make those. But don't denigrate factual information just to justify presenting human opinions.</p><p>I think your point would have been made better by noting…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<q>I don’t have anything against soft-news stories per se, but they do seem to act as a gateway drug to anti-journalism: advertorials (the lavish news coverage of the KFC double-down burger was probably the nadir of this in NZ journalism) and faux-controversies (‘was New Zealand originally settled by a race…</q>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p><q>In their world, we are governed by misanthropes</q></p><p>You're right, Bruce, that "misanthrope" might be the wrong word. Something shorter should suffice:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monyiOsoKxg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monyiOsoKxg</a></p>
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				<title>David Chittenden</title>
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						<p><q>I have to admit that when Campbell covered the "Corngate Scandal" I felt annoyed that he expected the then PM, Helen Clark, to have all the information at her fingertips without giving her the "Heads Up" on the guts of the interview.</q></p><p>If my memory serves me correctly, John Campbell…</p>
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						<p>Regarding "soft" news, I think the term covers a lot of different things, from the truly trivial (celebrity hairstyles, ducks in danger) to large issues seen from a personal perspective, to voyeuristic horror stories where everybody cries on camera.</p><p>And any of these types can be done well or badly.…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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				<title>Bruce Wurr</title>
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						<p><q>In their world, we are governed by misanthropes. Ministers are cold, hard rationalists who close schools, deny food to hungry children, take away trains, force beneficiaries to look for jobs, because they don't care.</q></p><p>Misanthrope might be a bit strong, but Mr. Roughan has the rest of it pretty accurately…</p>
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						John Ansell
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 21:05:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>John Quinn</title>
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						Wasn't John Roughan involved in PR or communications for Act?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:29:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						I just clicked on this to retweet. Oops. :)
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:56:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p><q>I love human interest or soft stories for their rawness and authenticity. The approach may be a little too unsophisticated for some but then human-interest stories also lack many of the distortions found in the manicured messages of ideology, orthodoxy and politics.</q></p><p>Thanks John, for your comment as a whole,…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>There’s no politics involved here </q></p><p>There's always politics. </p><p>Why doesn't National fund Solid Energy to keep the mine running for a few years to see if the market picks up? An ideological belief that the market is king and the state has no role in sustaining employment.</p><p>Why don't parties…</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Yes, yessity, yes. History, as my old South East Asian lecturer Leonard Andaya used to say, is only ever a few peoples' versions of what actually happened. I prefer "soft" news, because it's not actually what happens that matters in the end, it's what people do about it. Which may…
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>anti-journalism: advertorials (the lavish news coverage of the KFC double-down burger was probably the nadir of this in NZ journalism) and faux-controversies ('was New Zealand originally settled by a race of Nodic immortals? John Ansell says Yes!').</q><br />Somehow I doubt that either of those examples would trigger the squeamishness of…</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						I don't have anything against soft-news stories per se, but they do seem to act as a gateway drug to anti-journalism: advertorials (the lavish news coverage of the KFC double-down burger was probably the nadir of this in NZ journalism) and faux-controversies ('was New Zealand originally settled by a race…
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p><q>they want to be presented with an objective worldview</q></p><p>No such thing. Whenever there are people involved they will bring their values, personal prejudices and cultural assumptions to any decision. Even artificial intelligence would be programmed by humans. So usually 'objective world view' means 'aligns with mine'.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>This is possibly why journalists refer to their work as ‘news stories’ ie simple, uncomplicated narratives of predicament and resolution.</q></p><p>I, like most working journalists, use not only the word “story” but “yarn” (there is no higher praise for a fellow journalist than “good yarn”). As you imply, we’re using…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						John: for sure,, the distinction between 'hard' and 'soft'  news is often a false division but I think people perceive that the latter too often prevails over the former, in that too much news coverage succumbs to the news values of personalisation and protagonist/antagonist (hero and villain) scenarios, where ambiguity…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>And yet when the first public meeting is held and the school, parents and pupils want their say that is somehow biased?</q></p><p>Good point.</p><p>And thanks for coming here and contributing, John.</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>The fact that Roughan can write this with a straight face, on the assumption that everyone would nod and agree that this is a bad thing, is astonishing.</q></p><p>Indeed. Out of his own mouth.</p>
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				<title>John Sellwood</title>
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						<p>The notion of soft and hard news, particularly in weekly television current affairs, has always rankled with me.</p><p>Perhaps for the simple reason that one without the other, hard news without soft news usually provides only half a story.</p><p>In my experience, many journalists particularly those in newspapers, pitch hard…</p>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p>"They've made it their mission to side with people against power"</p><p>The fact that Roughan can write this with a straight face, on the assumption that everyone would nod and agree that this is a bad thing, is astonishing.</p>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						If TVNZ are going to for lighter content than Close Up (which I didn't watch because it too often too light)...then I'll probably have no idea what its replacement might be called as I would see it so very rarely. Like that other show I rarely watch they have on…
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>But these days his columns are sullen, mean and poorly argued. They’re just embarrassing sometimes.</q></p><p>It's all too obvious that he's writing from the security blanket of, for lack of a better analogy, the golden curtain.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<q>Perhaps there’s some truth in the criticism. When Campbell reporter John Sellwood accompanied a group of West Coast miners on their mission to Wellington, to beg a reprieve for Spring Creek, the question of whether the government should subsidise coal didn’t get a look in. Sellwood was part of the…</q>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						<p><q>the Herald's ... advocacy journalism</q> and there's a point, NZ Herald hasn't been opposed to doing some advocay and campaign journalism itself although some of it's senior editors and columnists may dislike the trend.  </p><p>Actively pursuing news isn't the same as manufacturing it and I much prefer it to copying…</p>
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						I found myself in the rare position of being near a TV on Monday morning and watched <em>Breakfast's</em> coverage of the school meals issue. Which left me wondering why Kidscan was seeking funding to deliver breakfasts to every needy school? Are they seeking a monopoly? Trying to drive out other…
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> absolutely LOVED them for the coverage of red zone life post-quake</q></p><p>Exactly. That story highlighted the insanity of the insurance rules in a personal clear way. And it seems like they've realised they can do that really well in the time they have.</p>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>A much better mark of success is the actual changes they’ve helped make by presenting stories of real people</q></p><p>I absolutely LOVED them for the coverage of red zone life post-quake.  Including the house-moving story of our own David Haywood.  That's real, important stuff.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Campbell Live does seem to do a good job of researching their stories nowadays. That I think is their strength now. And it makes for a better quality programme.</p><p>It wasn't always so, the corngate saga was terrible not because Campbell ambushed the PM, politicians should expect that and to…</p>
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						Ironically the Herald's attempt at advocacy journalism to raise the drinking age failed.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Everything I have ever read by John Roughan has been utter tosh. Everything. Without exception.</q></p><p>You know, I actually used to admire him. He could be pretty good.</p><p>But these days his columns are sullen, mean and poorly argued. They're just embarrassing sometimes.</p>
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						<p><q>I believe Campbell Live is biased against power and towards the left</q></p><p>If it were biased <em>towards</em> power, then it would be propaganda.</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						<p><q>The Minister of Education refused to submit herself for interview by Campbell...</q><br />That seems to be the default settings for Ministers in this Government. Duck. Hide. Avoid. The PM is unable to find the time to front on National Radio or Campbell Live yet has time to appear on "friendly"…</p>
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						Everything I have ever read by John Roughan has been utter tosh. Everything. Without exception.
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				<title>Greg Wood</title>
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						<p>I get hives even reading the snippets you've posted here, Russell, so how you manage to repeatedly unpick columns like Roughan's without resorting to an epic string of four-lettered words or just going batshit crazy, I don't know &mdash; but keep it up!</p><p>Current Affairs on behalf of the underdog,…</p>
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				<title>Dave Guerin</title>
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						I believe Campbell Live is biased against power and towards the left, but I still watch it. There's room in the media for a range of editorial positions, just as there should be critique of those positions. And Campbell Live doesn't aspire to be a neutral journal/media outlet of record,…
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						<p><q>when Campbell covered the “Corngate Scandal” I felt annoyed that he expected the then PM, Helen Clark, to have all the information at her fingertips without giving her the “Heads Up” on the guts of the interview.</q></p><p>That debacle was such a shame. And that was one time Clark DIDN'T…</p>
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						John 'Quixotic' Campbell is becoming more of a People's Tribune than just a mere Advocate...
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						<p>much of Campbell Live stories I can do without, so much light crap.... but when he does proper newsie stuff I applaud him, his team and the channel &ndash; the lunch boxes and CHCH schools being two fine (recent) examples</p><p>Given the "its poor peoples fault" default of so much…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						I have to admit that when Campbell covered the "Corngate Scandal" I felt annoyed that he expected the then PM, Helen Clark, to have all the information at her fingertips without giving her the "Heads Up" on the guts of the interview. I do, however, have the greatest respect for…
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						<p><q>popular current affairs very frequently "sides with people against power"</q></p><p>Appearing to do so while actually doing the opposite is a key skill for establishment journalists like Holmes. Supporting someone who <a href="http://www.oag.govt.nz/2005/chs/docs/cambridge.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">arguably diverted the revenues of a public school into their own pockets, for instance</a>. Those revenues, which could have…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						It's not just John Campbell (who personally answers his emails) but the team on Campbell Live that makes this programme so effective. That young journalist, Lachlan Forsyth, gives you hope that his generation will actually be able to save the world.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Holmes was interested in people he saw as like himself.</q></p><p>Because well-off old white men have such a hard time getting their view across in our media otherwise. #sob</p>
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						<p>Isn't a major part of journalism sticking up for the underdogs and keeping the politicians honest?</p><p>Fox news does the opposite: it reinforces the lies of the powerful.</p><p>I'm sure Campbell Live would be talking to govt ministers a lot, if the bastards would ever front. But they don't seem…</p>
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				<title>cphilpott</title>
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						<p>At its worst, you could accuse Campbell Live of steering towards story subjects because of their underdog status &ndash; but even then, the motivation would just be that those stories make for better TV.</p><p>I actually like Campbell Live for another reason too: he seems to me to be the…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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