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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p>Which hinges largely on how much trust you’re prepared to place in the sources. <a href="http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/SY/HRDAGUpdatedReportAug2014.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Updated Statistical Analysis of Documentation of Killings in the Syrian Arab Republic Commissioned by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights</a> notes (p.20):</p><p><q>Of the 189 739 unique killings, only 4877 were…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:03:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q> it’s nuts for ‘most of the world’ to be actively against both sides in a civil war.</q><br />Do keep in mind that Assad has killed <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/islamic-state-has-killed-many-syrians-but-assads-forces-have-killed-even-more/2015/09/05/b8150d0c-4d85-11e5-80c2-106ea7fb80d4_story.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">seven times more Syrian civilians</a> than IS.<br /><q>Between January and July, Assad’s military and pro-government militias killed 7,894 people, while the Islamic State killed 1,131,…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:26:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>he does make the point that if you hand weapons to folks there is a good chance they’ll do something bad with them.</q><br />Putin is bombing Kurds and other rebels as well as ISIS. Which is completely wrong.<br />But <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/remaining-sane-in-difficult-times" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this from TPM makes a good point:</a> it's nuts for 'most…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:10:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Surely the Pope should be concentrating on the sainthood paperwork for Jonah Lomu and Richie McCaw?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 16:53:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<p><q>... because of ridiculous beliefs in s̶k̶y̶ ̶f̶a̶i̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ <strong>life after death</strong> and ... </q></p><p>Fixed it for you :- ).</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:19:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> unlikely sources</q></p><p>When Putin is sounding like the reasonable person you know things are truly FUBAR'd.</p><p>But he does make the point that if you hand weapons to folks there is a good chance they'll do something bad with them.</p><p>And in religious news the Pope gave a speech* saying…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 10:43:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>ISIS is what it is...</strong><br />Food for thought from unlikely sources...<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1aDciHCejA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1aDciHCejA</a><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 08:36:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Useful <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/201779750/we-need-to-talk-about-isis" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">RNZ discussion</a>.</p><p><q>Professor Robert Patman, Head of the Department of Politics at Otago University, international security analyst Paul Buchanan, and lecturer in security studies at Massey University, Tim Wood, join Wallace to talk about whether military action is enough to defeat the jihadists.</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2015 08:56:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						Although State Governors are opposed to refugees, a lot of city <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/18/politics/mayors-cities-governors-refugees/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mayors within those states are not</a>.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:19:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>I'm reminded that President Franklin D Roosevelt felt compelled to sequester Japanese foreign nationals after the bombing of Pearl Harbor and it appears that threat of harm to America from [IS] now is just as real and serious as that from our enemies then.</q></p><p>That's quite the stinker, given that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 04:32:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>This US map from Tucker FitzGerald makes a very salient point. Not that that paranoid half of American politics will grasp it.</q></p><p>The double down irony burn is that <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-governors-possess-no-legal-authority-to-refuse-syrian-refugees-a6738436.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Governors have no legal power</a> to "refuse" anyone legally in the United States shit.  It's empty posturing, though I can't help…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>This US map from Tucker FitzGerald makes a very salient point. Not that that paranoid half of American politics will grasp it</q></p><p>To them, a red state is a good state...</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:44:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						This US map from Tucker FitzGerald makes a very salient point. Not that that paranoid half of American politics will grasp it.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>This Independent piece indicates France’s still festering relationship with Algeria is somewhat of an ongoing own goal in the battle against IS.</q></p><p>On top of that, the French Govt used Algeria as a nuclear testing ground before the days of Mururoa Atoll.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:02:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>We’ll always have Paris…</strong>*<br /><q>conveniently ignores the Paris Massacre of 1961 which has been swept under the carpet of collective memory due to the fact that the perpetrator was the French State</q><br />Perhaps Hollande triggered something with <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/19/hollande-massacre-algerian-protesters-1961" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">his recent (well 2012 is relatively recent) acknowledgement of the event</a> <br />(I’d not…</p>
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				<title>Gabor Toth</title>
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						I've been yelling repeatedly at the radio over the past few days at the often reported "fact" that this is the "deadliest violence to strike France since World War II". It's a terrible event for sure and I would never belittle it BUT the above statement conveniently ignores the Paris…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:18:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Given the protected nature of Western arms manufacturers, it's unlikely that NATO countries would want to go elsewhere.</q></p><p>Understood. While there are other online accounts of Czechoslovakian cold war era NATO calibre ammunition surfacing, some with detailed info on precisely which factory in the former CSSR produced it, I have…</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						In many ways, this game tonight should not have gone ahead. Big respect to the French players though, for digging in and insisting it happened. What a week they will have had.
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						It's quite possible that, as suggested, that ammunition was made for sale to third countries using NATO calibre weapons. Given the protected nature of Western arms manufacturers, it's unlikely that NATO countries would want to go elsewhere.
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p><q>Though you would have to wonder what these guys chatted about in the Green Room</q></p><p>One inference seemed to be they’ve already gone through the motions of carving up the Syrian map.   Fascinating viewing.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Do you have any reference for that assertion?</q><br />NATO's Czech ammunition? Both John Pilger and Helen Caldecott raised the issue back in the day. Here's an example of someone <a href="http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-32232.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">stumbling across a stash from the late 60s</a>.</p><p>In retrospect there seems to have been far more trade with the Eastern…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Iyad El-Baghdadi tweeted about how the “cut off the funding” thing doesn’t apply so much any more. Isis is largely self-funding – and two thirds of its money comes from extortion.</q></p><p>Also, “cut off Saudi Arabia” is a rather naive and simplistic answer when we take a look at [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters|who…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Do you have any reference for that assertion?
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						Thanks Russell. I don't think the "linkages" are straight forward at all. What has become clearer is that the host states on *all* sides have created a perfect storm of sorts. For example -part of that is supporting the Saudi government.
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>It's still the grand adventure and the cold war continuing to play itself out...</q></p><p>After the shooting down of Korean Airlines flight 007 in 1983 Aeroflot was banned from flying into the US, with the situation to be reviewed after twelve months. Three months later, when the furore had faded,…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<a href="https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Iyad El-Baghdadi</a> tweeted about how the "cut off the funding" thing doesn't apply so much any more. Isis is largely self-funding – and two thirds of its money comes from extortion.
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<p><q>To really combat terror, end support for Saudi Arabia &ndash; Owen Jones</p><p>Cutting the supply lines doesn’t look like a real option but it should be.</q></p><p>But this it, isn't it. The US and the West are allied with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states (maj Sunni), Russia is allied…</p>
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						<p>I was looking for some trade numbers in the region – preferably arms deals.</p><p>Apparently Qatar, Kuwait &amp; Saudi Arabia are big donors/ supporters of radical Islamists.</p><p><q>Although Saudi Arabia has given $100m (£60m) to the UN anti-terror programme and the country’s grand mufti has denounced Isis as “enemy number one”,…</q></p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Grinding it through my own rusty cogs, <br /><em>même pas peur</em> should most literally be:<br />“Even so, no fear”.</p><p>It could correspond to “You don’t scare me” or “It don’t scare me” <br />(with a vernacular invariant verb stylistically appropriate to the original). <br />Further informal reduction (also in keeping with the original’s…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>ICYMI, <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/17/qa-spare-muslim-leaders-of-pejorative-demands-says-christopher-pyne?CMP=share_btn_tw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">enormous good sense coming from a frontbench minister across the ditch</a>:</p><p><q>Commentators should stop issuing “pejorative demands” to Muslim leaders to condemn terrorism each time it occurs, the government frontbencher Christopher Pyne said during a Q&amp;A program dominated by discussion of the Paris attacks.</p><p>Pyne was responding to a question…</q></p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p>Thanks for that Peter, some very disturbing reading there</p><p><q>Disgusted, Von Sponeck resigned as UN Humanitarian Co-ordinator in Iraq. His predecessor, Denis Halliday, an equally distinguished senior UN official, had also resigned. “I was instructed,” Halliday said, “to implement a policy that satisfies the definition of genocide: a deliberate policy…</q></p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Tremain again (in the right thread)
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>By overreacting, by following in such footsteps as the Australians with their unacceptable policies to refugees and residents, all we do is create more disaffected people rather than a more harmonious society.</q></p><p>Civil rights autor James Baldwin put it best: "There is no bigger danger to society than a man…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						TL;DR (don't do bad shit, I guess is the summary)
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						<p>And this is a redacted version of the greater document:</p><p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/muslim-scholars-islamic-state_n_5878038.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/muslim-scholars-islamic-state_n_5878038.html</a></p><p>1. It is forbidden in Islam to issue fatwas without all the necessary learning requirements. Even then fatwas must follow Islamic legal theory as defined in the Classical texts. It is also forbidden to cite a portion of a…</p>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						<p>Mainstream Muslims declare their outrage at the blasphemous, sacreligious travesty of "Islam" perpetrated by ISIS and declare their perversion of the Quran anathema to mainstream Muslim sensibilities: </p><p><a href="http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/</a></p><p>This is what it says: </p><p><br />In response to the recent atrocities happening in Iraq and Syria, a large group of our esteemed…</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<q>What is incrontrovertible is that from when the first protests began on February 5th there was a 5 week period leading up to March 18th where protesters weren’t being shot at. What should arouse suspicion in the inquiring mind is that unlike comparable events in other countries where protesters are…</q>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>my french is a bit rusty</q><br />Me too, and the papers as well, methinks ...<br />today's <em>Press</em> had a photo of someone hanging up a banner emblazoned with <strong> <em>Meme pas Peur</em> </strong></p><p>The photo caption reads ;<br />"A man attaches a banner, which translates as "Don't scare me", to…</p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p><q>but it seems incontrovertible that the genesis of the current situation in Syria was Assad’s brutal treatment of peaceful protesters.</q></p><p>What is incrontrovertible is that from when the first protests began on <a href="https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=6Sh8AwAAQBAJ&amp;pg=PA161&amp;lpg=PA161&amp;dq=qamishlo+protest+march+12,+2011&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=ORYo-JXMXG&amp;sig=LzKtnTEU16F4Hb9tYF6JB6uMiyo&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q=qamishlo%20protest%20march%2012%2C%202011&amp;f=false" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">February 5th</a> there was a 5 week period leading up to March 18th where protesters weren’t being shot at.…</p>
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				<title>Graham Dunster</title>
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						Sadly there is always disaffected youth, not so long ago it was the Angry Brigade, Baader-Meinhof Group/RAF, IRA, currently it's ISIS/Daesh. It seemingly only takes a few adherents to create panic but these people are not even a visible minority, they are but a few misguided individuals. We as a…
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						They tell a pretty compelling story there. Even when we think our reactions have gone OTT, they're often not in the same ballpark as OTT of the past.
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p><q>And war is winning.</q></p><p>I'm pretty sure peace is winning, it is just not winning all the time.</p><p><a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/12/the_world_is_not_falling_apart_the_trend_lines_reveal_an_increasingly_peaceful.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/12/the_world_is_not_falling_apart_the_trend_lines_reveal_an_increasingly_peaceful.html</a></p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>this cartoon, that my phone won't let me upload says a lot for me:</p><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/O210dBz.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://i.imgur.com/O210dBz.jpg</a></p>
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						<p><q>do you believe that we’re in a world war, even if not in the conventional sense?</q></p><p>Not even close. We're always going to have a period of feeling shocked and scared after any such event, but in perspective it's not even in the same ball park as quite small conventional…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Did you mean WW1</q></p><p>yeah doh!</p><p>Also note that is not an exhaustive list of the fuck ups in that region, more an attempt to highlight the futility of saying <br />"it's all because of this, if we just fix this then it will be all right"</p><p>The solutions to the…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q> post-WWII maps </q></p><p>There weren't any border changes in the area after WW2. Did you mean WW1 (after the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and the partition of the region into British and French spheres of influence)? <a href="http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/documents/maps-in-time.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/documents/maps-in-time.pdf</a></p>
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						<p><q> so far it looks like the obvious military response would be exactly the wrong one</q></p><p>I can understand why people would want some kind of immediate military response but I tend to agree the current slow but steady strategy of assisting local groups to deal with ISIS seems to be…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Hard to get through all the analysis but so far it looks like the obvious military response would be exactly the wrong one. ISIS want a showdown.</p><p>Instead of victory or death – it seems like many of them want to die in a holy war.</q></p><p>Yes. Although it does…</p>
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				<title>Jason Kemp</title>
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						<p>Hard to get through all the analysis but so far it looks like the obvious military response would be exactly the wrong one. ISIS want a showdown. </p><p>Instead of victory or death &ndash; it seems like many of them want to die in a holy war.</p><p>Jon Snow writes in…</p>
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						<p><q> a declaration of war, that does not mean France – or the rest of the world – needs to return the</q></p><p>Too late, war was declared 5, 10, 50, 500 years ago. </p><p>This isn't good vs bad, this is peace vs war. And war is winning.</p>
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						<p><q>What’s more, rhetoric of that hue has a recent and unhappy history. In 2001, George W Bush similarly hailed 9/11 as a declaration of war. </q></p><p>The Decider back then, <a href="http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/flashback-george-w-bush-visits-mosque-condemn-islamophobia-wake-911-attacks" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">doing domestic damage control in his stocking feet</a>.</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						It's certainly shaken us, partly because the location of most of the attacks, up above Place de la Republique is only 3 blocks from the apartment we stayed in on Rue du Temple back in 2008. Was a beautiful spot and that neighbourhood remains close to our hearts. So much…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>The <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/15/the-guardian-view-on-the-paris-attacks-amid-the-grief-we-need-to-hold-firm-to-the-values-that-make-us-who-we-are" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Guardian editorial</a>:</p><p><q>And yet even if Isis did mean this night of slaughter to be a declaration of war, that does not mean France – or the rest of the world – needs to return the compliment. And a compliment it would be. To declare war against Isis is…</q></p>
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				<title>Kay</title>
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						Thank you for your comment Simon. Very good point about the media coverage, which of course has been more previlant and accessible (and partisan) from so many sources over the past 20 years. So any major tragic event is now in our face immediately and around the clock, but it's…
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						<p><q>do you believe that we’re in a world war, even if not in the conventional sense?</q></p><p>I don't. The terrorist atrocities are so horrific, and the media coverage so extensive, that it can feel that way. It is hard to say "this is bad, that was worse". It sounds callous,…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>ETA: I have checked with the francophones I know, and they also say it is “They did not know that war had been declared on them”. An example of the risks, but also the poetry, of Google translate, because the incorrect translation seems to me at least as meaningful as…</q>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>And so it begins....</p><p><a href="http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/paris-attacks/74060047/french-jets-attack-islamic-state-stronghold-of-raqqa" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/paris-attacks/74060047/french-jets-attack-islamic-state-stronghold-of-raqqa</a></p><p>"The raid ... including 10 fighter jets, was launched simultaneously from the United Arab Emirates and Jordan. Twenty bombs were dropped," the defence ministry said in a statement.</p><p><q>The operation, carried out in coordination with US forces, struck a command centre, recruitment centre for jihadists,…</q></p>
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						I was a young teenager back in the 1980s when the Cold War was in it's last major flare-up. There was a saying I picked up from somewhere (maybe one of the armageddon movies?) "No-one knows how WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones."…
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						<p><q>The found passport bothers me too. If you were going to go and carry out an attack like this, why would you have your passport with you?</q></p><p>Well, yes – when we were in Europe three years back, I always (securely) carried my passport because it’s the only internationally recognized…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I think it’s appropriate to be wary about that. Some reports suggest that the passport may in fact have belong to an audience member – the other named attackers are older and French-born. Also, it is apparently very easy to obtain false Syrian passports.</q></p><p>Yes it is, and  [[http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/why-syrian-refugee-passport-found-at-paris-attack-scene-must-be-treated-with-caution?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other|here’s a…</p>
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						Except that even the military doesn’t think it’s OK to bomb hospitals (though of course does by mistake), and really prefers and tries not to kill civilians when it’s trying to take out military targets. There is a difference between treating civilians as people you try to avoid killing, and…
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						<p>Totally affected by the fact that I've walked down some of those streets, and I have much sympathy for the people of Paris, but Francois Holland's speech about having war declared on them made me a little uneasy.</p><p>Given that the French have been bombing ISIS in Iraq since September…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>it is apparently very easy to obtain false Syrian passports</q></p><p>and handy to leave one at the scene to stir up French sentiment against recent refugees.</p>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<p>Er, my french is a bit rusty, but I think that last sentence should read “They did not know that war had been declared on them”. It’s a rather different meaning, so would be nice to have a proper francophone confirm either way?</p><p>ETA: I have checked with the francophones…</p>
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						<p><a href="http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/heres-what-a-charlie-hebdo-cartoonist-drew-after-the-second-paris-terror-attack-in-a-year–Z1ZZbO3VYx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This series posted to Instagram by Charlie Hebdo cartoonist Joann Sfar</a> is worth any number of #PrayforParis hashtags.</p><p>This one reads: “The people who died tonight were out living, drinking, singing. They didn’t know they had declared war.”</p>
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						<p><q>That found passport bothers me – for a group obviously engaged in the ‘theatre of fear’ the stage properties are always as important – and that passport/person plays a (very useful) linchpin part in the direction of the unfolding response and narrative</q></p><p>I think it's appropriate to be wary about…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>I'm told there is a bit of a fightback against the French Flag overlay on fb...</q></p><p>There's certainly been <a href="https://stepfeed.com/more-categories/big-news/social-media-users-question-why-beirut-doesnt-get-facebook-safety-check/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a bit of selectivity</a> in how Facebook responds to these kind of events. </p><p>Strange, considering that it appears to have a huge and highly sophisticated user base in the Arab world.…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>…your last image there should be credited to <a href="http://www.wired.com/2015/11/jean-jullien-peace-for-paris/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jean Jullien</a>.</q></p><p><strong>Black Cat bounce?</strong><br />I have to say I find it a mixed graphic message – I get the Eiffel Tower making a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_symbols" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">peace symbol</a> – though I am of an age that first sees the  CND symbol …<br />&ndash; but…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						The found passport bothers me too. If you were going to go and carry out an attack like this, why would you have your passport with you? I didn't think it was compulsory to carry ID in France any more?
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>That found passport bothers me – </q></p><p>Bothered our household too....</p><p>I'm told there is a bit of a fightback <em> against </em> the French Flag overlay on fb...</p><p>There <em>is</em> talk counteracting the promoted narrative.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>breathing together...</strong><br /><q>Are you hinting at a conspiracy?  No.</q><br />Though you would have to wonder what these guys chatted about in the Green Room  at the <a href="http://cchs.gwu.edu/ethos-and-profession-intelligence" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> second annual public conference on national security, "The Ethos and the Profession of Intelligence"</a> in Washington a coupla weeks ago.<br /><q> Yaakov Amirdror -…</q></p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>I found these reflections from across the Tasman by Ghassan Hage useful about thinking about this issue in the context of living in New Zealand.</q></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irfan_Yusuf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Irfan Yusuf</a> is also worth reading, when he gets round to writing stuff. No Twitter presence so far, but he's probably not missing much.</p>
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						<p><q>The Guardian reports on a complex picture emerging around the identity of the attackers:</q></p><p>If most of the perpetrators turn out to be French-born or naturalised, then there are parallels with the London 7/7 bombings a decade ago. Londoners, being what they were, still by and large kept calm. And…</p>
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				<title>Henry Barnard</title>
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						<p><q>There is a loss of innocence that such a calculated campaign of violence can happen in a European city to people like you, rather than to people who live in a different culture in another part of the planet.</q></p><p>I found these reflections from across the Tasman by [[http://hageba2a.blogspot.co.nz/2015/11/the-mourning-after-in-australia-i-met.html?spref=tw&amp;m=1| Ghassan Hage…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Angela Merkel (who's far too nice to refugees for the American right's liking) </q></p><p>Merkel is in serious political trouble on the refugee issue and a majority of German public opinion has shifted decisively against her refugee policies. It seems she is far to nice to refugees for many Germans taste…</p>
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						<p>History is not something which should bind us in it's predictions for the future, but if history is to be our guide the European reaction to the irritant of minority religious fanaticism and/or ethnic minorities has always eventually been the ghetto, ethnic cleansing, and mass expulsions.</p><p>I expect President Le…</p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p>Vice magazine has a more pragmatism based cause for ISIS shift from a ground campaign to terrorism than The Atlantic piece.</p><p><a href="https://news.vice.com/article/why-the-islamic-state-attacked-paris-and-what-happens-next" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://news.vice.com/article/why-the-islamic-state-attacked-paris-and-what-happens-next</a></p>
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				<title>Stephen Olsen</title>
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						Another perspective &ndash; from August 2015 and Le Monde Diplomatique <a href="http://newsroomplus.com/2015/11/15/the-lazy-rhetoric-of-the-war-of-civilisation/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://newsroomplus.com/2015/11/15/the-lazy-rhetoric-of-the-war-of-civilisation/</a>
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						<p><q>There is a simple solution but it requires humility by all parties and that doesnt come easily too many</q></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLUDJlx5jEc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLUDJlx5jEc</a></p>
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						<p><q>Not policing the the extremists is not an option, but that is what is should be – policing.</q></p><p>It would definitely be worth trying first. The alternative has certainly had a pretty good shot, and here's the result &ndash; pretty much no progress whatsoever made despite all the military force…</p>
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						<p><q>It’s hard to even conceive of what could ensue from the full-scale ground war that US Republicans seem to be cheering for,</q><br />But some really want too…  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqBrw3rQvKo" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqBrw3rQvKo</a><br />Which is dumber than…anything. <br />And yes WAR what is it good for   <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk</a></p><p><br />There is a simple solution but it requires humility…</p>
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						<p><q>....Blood and tears. Fear and silence. A grave silence, broken only by sirens or the sound of helicopter blades. War had come home....<br />The victims at Charlie Hebdo and the shop were intentionally targeted as members of specific groups, because of their opinions or religion. This time, it is blind…</q></p>
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						<p><q>“Architect” may imply a degree of foresight and planning that wasn’t actually present, but it seems incontrovertible that the genesis of the current situation in Syria was Assad’s brutal treatment of peaceful protesters.</q></p><p>Closer to my point certainly. These things are generally the result of a perfect storm of conditions.…</p>
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						<p><q>Are you hinting at a conspiracy?</q></p><p>I just follow <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Guardian</a> [Jan 2012].</p><p><q>Alas, not in every case. When coverage of an unfolding drama ceases to be fair and turns into a propaganda weapon, inconvenient facts get suppressed. So it is with the results of a recent YouGov Siraj poll…</q></p>
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						<p><q>So Assad’s incumbent administration designed a civil war to potentially oust itself and decimate its country while allowing verifiable information that it was the architect of these events to be widely disseminated via western media.</q></p><p>"Architect" may imply a degree of foresight and planning that wasn't actually present, but it…</p>
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						Although all members of The Eagles of Death Metal escaped the Bataclan alive, <a href="http://gu.com/p/4e82k/stw#block-5647e642e4b06fb53392c770" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">their British merchandise manager and a Universal Music Group employee who worked with the band in France were killed</a>. Bloody awful.
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						<a href="http://gu.com/p/4e82k/stw#block-5647c608e4b0ced428cb2993" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The victims in Paris</a> were French, Algerian, Spanish, Brazilian, Tunisian, Swedish, Romanian, Moroccan, Mexican, Portugese ...
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						<p><q>So Assad’s incumbent administration designed a civil war to potentially oust itself and decimate its country while allowing verifiable information that it was the architect of these events to be widely disseminated via western media.</q></p><p>Are you hinting at a conspiracy? No.</p><p>In 2011, the Assad regime cracked down brutally…</p>
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						<p><q>But if the West joins Russia in backing the Assad regime as the lesser of two or three evils, it will be lending support to the original architect of Syria’s civil war</q></p><p>So Assad’s incumbent administration designed a civil war to potentially oust itself and decimate its country while allowing…</p>
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						<p>To be fair to Senator Cruz, if you're going to get into a tone-deaf douche-off <a href="http://time.com/4113333/paris-attacks-donald-trump/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">you will be Trumped</a>:</p><p><q>“When you look at Paris, toughest gun laws in the world, nobody had guns but the bad guys,” the Republican presidential candidate said during an appearance in Texas, in remarks broadcast…</q></p>
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						Of course at the heart of most US political proclamations is the need for this to continue and escalate, in order to apease the interests of their multi-million dollar munitions industry sponsors. To sit back and preach peace and tolerance is anathema.
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						<p><q>From what I understand, your last image there should be credited to Jean Jullien.</q></p><p>Fair point. I grabbed it from Twitter and thought the credit would come through with it.</p>
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				<title>Tony Meyer</title>
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						From what I understand, your last image there should be credited to Jean Jullien.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>While victims were still lying where they fell, US Republican presidential aspirant Ted Cruz responded by rejecting ”outreach or declarations of tolerance” in favour of airstrikes with more “tolerance for civilian casualties”.</q></p><p>I know it's never going to happen, but I'd love to see Hollande and Angela Merkel (who's far…</p>
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				<title>Suzanne McNamara</title>
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						<p>I've spent the morning reading about ISIS and what motivates them. They are brutal but are convincing to many. Troops on the ground will play into their grand vision of a final battle and apocalypse. This article explains it well<br /><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/</a></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/14/syrian-greece-refugee-paris-attacks-killers" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Guardian reports</a> on a complex picture emerging around the identity of the attackers:</p><p><q>As police worked to identify the seven militants, all of whom died in the attacks, Molins also confirmed that at least one of the fighters, identified by his fingerprints, was a French national from the Paris…</q></p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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