It's *gross*, but I don't think it's strange. If you have a many-centuries-long history of being chattel, your measurements are going to continue to be be part of the pop-cultural deal, even after you become a 'person'...

Well I wasn't so much commenting on society in general (though I agree),…

Early actresses standing in cement outside Grauman's in Hollywood did it in two stages to make the print of their high heel look closer to the toe. Tricky but feasible.

That is so interesting! When I went there I wondered why the prints all seemed crazily miniscule...

As well as small waists, it was particularly important for women to have small hands and feet…

I find it very strange that this information is publicly available.

It's *gross*, but I don't think it's strange. If you have a many-centuries-long history of being chattel, your measurements are going to continue to be be part of the pop-cultural deal, even after you become a 'person'...

Those nude…

If you actually look at Kate Moss's size and stats (size 4 US 34 1/2-26-34) she is not very thin compared to fashion icons of the past. Kate Moss's waist at 26 inches is 5 inches bigger than Katherine Hepburn's was, 6 inches bigger than Audrey Hepburn's.

I find it…

Although, also: Jayne Mansfield. Marilyn Monroe. Mae West. Jane Russell. 'Twasn't all Audreys and Kate Hepburns either, back in the day.

Indeed, and Danielle is probably going to give me a (virtual) slap in the ears for this, but I'd like to remind people that Marilyn Monroe was the first…

Her measurements are bigger than most actresses and models of previous generations.

I think our childhood nutrition has a lot to do with that. We're practically Amazonian compared with women who grew up during the Depression and WWII rationing.

Although, also: Jayne Mansfield. Marilyn Monroe. Mae West. Jane Russell. 'Twasn't…

Female…

Kate Moss was a junkie, and at the height of her career and she looked like a junkie. That junkie look is far more disturbing than her size.

I'm not sure she actually was a heroin addict, although she has certainly had more than her share of the party drugs.…

Sorry, but I just don't get people who find the likes of Kate Moss attractive — because she looks like a child, and a damn sick one at that. What the hell kind of pathology is at work there, and why is pandering to it a multi-billion dollar industry?

Kate…

The standard parole conditions apply for a minimum of six months from release – even for those released at the absolute end of their sentence.

And if they break them...? "You're a very naughty boy, you drank alcohol after serving all 10 years of your 10-year sentence." I'm actually rather…

The standard parole conditions apply for a minimum of six months from release – even for those released at the absolute end of their sentence.

Also, extended supervision orders (up to 10 years) are available against certain categories of offender (sex offenders mostly/entirely) which can also extend well beyond any…

For starters "her" idea of abolishing parole entirely and then having prisoners subjected to "supervised release" when they've done the full length of their sentence. Talk about missing the point!

I'm pretty sure the supervised release thing is from National's no-parole gimmick policy at the last election.

Also illegal. You can't supervise people beyond the length of their sentence. Once the X years that the judge ordered them to serve is up, they're free to go, unrestrained and supervised by the state. That's why parole kicks in earlier, you can't start it after the 15 years are…

The overwhelming majority of people just don't look like that. So why are designers and fashion media so damn scared of breaking the funhouse mirror?

Chickens and eggs really. Because a big fashion label that breaks that mirror, is going to find themselves not sitting at the cool table, and…

I understand her grief, but some of the things she comes out with are far to the right of loony. For starters…

Hey, let's not be hatin' on Kate. She's 34, well into yummy mummy territory, and I like that she's clearly not ordered around by anyone.

Oh, please... I'm not "hating on Kate", but putting some serious hate on a thoroughly fucked up fashion-industrial complex. I'm quite happy to recast that…

Heck my GrandDad had an eating disorder. He was too busy drinking to eat.

And…

get a copy of Girlfriend

Again with the girls! Lots of under 16 year old boys are accessing significantly worse "educational" magazine material. Not always legally, but even the general lads mags are pretty awful.

Eh ... are we talking about the same people? I've only been to a few of their fashion shows over the years, but I do recall over the last 20 years they pioneered (in NZ) the use of non-standard models ie 'uglies', drag queens, and black african models.

I think…

Sorry, but I just don't get people who find the likes of Kate Moss attractive — because she looks like a child, and a damn sick one at that.

Hey, let's not be hatin' on Kate. She's 34, well into yummy mummy territory, and I like that she's clearly not…

I think there's a lot more…

Interesting. Russell wants a panel discussion on the sexualisation of teenagers in the media, but some PAS readers want to 'bash' the parents of one prospective panelist before the show has even been aired

Fuck off, Nick. I have enormous respect for Francis and Denise --they've managed to build a…

The question I really wonder about I suppose is if it points to a deeper malaise in the collective sexual pysche of our society. We are increasingly terrified of sexuality…

Did anyone read the front page story about 'TV ads ARE louder!' in the Weekend Herald? My thoughts, as I scanned through the…

Kyle – he was 12 years old. A child in anyones book, & that in mine requires that he is protected.

I think it is worth drawing a comparison to child soliders.

Well if he was a child, and I suspect he was, then I'd argue he shouldn't be locked away…

Russell: Our panel discussion this week focuses on the sexualisation of teenagers in the media, with reference to Miley Cyrus and Zippora Seven. The panel is Pam Corkery, Pebbles Hooper...

Craig: Might be rather more interesting to have Pebb's mum and dad on, and ask these two healthily…

I think it is worth drawing a comparison to child soliders.

In my book he shouldn't be convicted of manslaughter & his name/photo should have been suppressed for life.

Typically name suppression is given for the benefit of the victim. Regardless of whatever fascination the media has for this young man, I'd struggle to find a good reason for name suppression for…

In my book he shouldn't be convicted of manslaughter & his name/photo should have been suppressed for life.

Appalling, appalling creation of story- and yet these guys won Best Something-or-Other at the Qantas awards didn't they?

Best Newspaper. And really, when you look at yesterday's paper, it's pretty lively; much more so than the SST. They've got lots of stories.

So it's a shame they felt they had…

And there I was thinking I was the only one.....

I'm curious to know what the HoS suggests be done with convicted teenagers…

Our panel discussion this week focuses on the sexualisation of teenagers in the media, with reference to Miley Cyrus and Zippora Seven. The panel is Pam Corkery, Pebbles Hooper...

Might be rather more interesting to have Pebb's mum and dad on, and ask these two healthily meaty designers whether they…

__I don't know Bailey Kurariki, but it's possible to understand if not excuse the path leading him to that fatal alleyway in 2001. He was 12. He's spent most of his teenage years locked up.

It is said Kurariki…

He should be eating meals made from organic, locally sourced, in-season produce.

now that is cruel and unusual punishment.

especially round august/september when the only thing in season is freaking potatoes and kumara...

so. much. stodge.

Also, and I've probably said this here before, I'm pretty sure Kurariki would have been paroled a noticably earlier if he weren't so notorious. So in effect he served more time in prison because he was so young.

The fact that he was a brat with no regard for authority…

He should be eating meals made from organic, locally sourced, in-season produce.

;)

Portraying this sad, sad boy as somehow a 'winner' who is now creaming it with his new shoes,…

"imprisoning people is terrible, it doesn’t work and is one of the starkest indictments of our societies failure to own our problems and make amends."

Releasing Kuariki can only be a good thing.

There is no reason to ask her what she thinks – it's not as though she has special expertise, or even anything new to say – other than to expose her pain yet again for the pleasure of the reader, and enable the reader to…

Was the HoS just throwing a big chunk o' meat to the hungry talkback hordes?