Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: Stupidity and ignorance have been raised to virtues https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373216#post373216 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373216#post373216 Late notice – but worth noting:
Nuclear Free Law 30 Year Celebration
Wednesday 7 June 2017, 5.30-7pm
Canterbury Museum Bird Hall Level 3
Speakers: Graham Kelly, Kate Dewes, Natasha Barnes
5pm Meet at World Peace Bell, Botanic Gardens
Process with banners to Museum
6.30pm Refreshments

Booking recommended: 366 9429 x817,

]]> Tue, 06 Jun 2017 12:51:29 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373215#post373215 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373215#post373215 She'd be right, mate...
English, who'd want to learn it, eh?
;- )

]]> Tue, 06 Jun 2017 11:29:35 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373213#post373213 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373213#post373213 Light banter
not that oxymoronicTrue; I have corrected that overstatement accordingly.
But there’s similar play in most of the metaphors we use for light.
Compare a “shed load” = a load left behind – whether on the road by accident, or in a large purpose-built storage facility (for an absolute…

]]> Tue, 06 Jun 2017 09:40:55 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373210#post373210 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373210#post373210 “Shedding light” is another phrase that is its own opposite.
I'm not convinced that it is that oxymoronic...
The use of 'shedding' in this context is (I think) more about 'throwing' or 'casting'...
...ie: where the light falls, not fails...

But of course not everyone will 'cleave' to this!
:-…

]]> Tue, 06 Jun 2017 09:20:13 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373209#post373209 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373209#post373209 shed light (on) can be read in the sense of ‘remove illumination’ as well as the usual interpretation of ‘provide illumination’ on a topic. It all depends on your… ]]> Tue, 06 Jun 2017 08:58:33 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373207#post373207 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373207#post373207 just trying to shed a little light on the reality of "Global Warming".

Personally, when I want a little light shed on the reality of global waming, I ask a climate scientist. I'm afraid I don't really expect huge amounts of illumination from an anonymous commentator on publicaddress.

]]> Tue, 06 Jun 2017 00:35:05 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373205#post373205 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373205#post373205 “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” — Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Undersecretary of State for Global Issues and U.S. Senate Chamber temperature adjuster… ]]> Mon, 05 Jun 2017 18:02:10 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373204#post373204 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373204#post373204 ““…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth…”- IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer (2010)

This one is a translation from an interview Edenhofer gave in German, roughly translated here by Google:…

]]> Mon, 05 Jun 2017 17:28:20 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373203#post373203 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373203#post373203 “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony … climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.” – Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment

Okay, I'll start. This is part of a bunch of "quotes" that regularly appear…

]]> Mon, 05 Jun 2017 17:11:55 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373202#post373202 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373202#post373202 Hiya Stamper. Can you show us the source for these quotes? I'm assuming you picked them up from the same source, but sources if you've done more than parrot-work.
Try applying these principles and get back to us.

]]> Mon, 05 Jun 2017 12:39:46 +1200 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373201#post373201 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373201#post373201 So – which fake news blog did you get your quote from? Here is the original:

https://www.nzz.ch/klimapolitik_verteilt_das_weltvermoegen_neu-1.8373227

Google will translate it for you.

]]> Mon, 05 Jun 2017 12:38:51 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373200#post373200 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373200#post373200 The February 23, 2017 Petition sent to President Trump signed by Dr. Richard Lindzen and more than 300 eminent scientists, engineers and other qualified and knowledgeable experts requesting that the U.S. withdraw from the UNFCCC reflects yet another significant effort by hundreds of scientists and other experts to expose to… ]]> Mon, 05 Jun 2017 12:35:30 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373198#post373198 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373198#post373198 reality
Now there's a much abused word. Some use it to describe the world in which we all live. Others use it to describe what is going on inside their head. It gives undeserved legitimacy to one of those.

]]> Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:29:50 +1200 Stamper Stamp https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373197#post373197 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373197#post373197 No – just trying to shed a little light on the reality of "Global Warming". Here is a bit more for your information...... enjoy.

““…one has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto…

]]> Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:12:08 +1200 Neil https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373184#post373184 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373184#post373184 FiveThirtyEight has a sobering analysis of one of the main features of 2016 which has been somewhat overlooked.

Between 2012 and 2016 the number of US voters living and voting in what are essentially Dem or Rep enclaves jumped by 10% – as much in just 4 years as in…

]]> Sat, 03 Jun 2017 10:18:34 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373183#post373183 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373183#post373183 I dont think stupid and ignorant will ever be considered virtues. And other world leaders have displayed these qualities before, remember The Decider.
But it is becoming a norm to display said qualities without shame. Oh well.

If I can steal a Jordan Peterson analogy,
These qualities have to live…

]]> Sat, 03 Jun 2017 10:14:08 +1200 Rob S https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373182#post373182 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373182#post373182 Nah, we’ve been through this before:

Yeah I know it was just the perfection of the anagram that iced my cake.

]]> Sat, 03 Jun 2017 09:08:18 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373180#post373180 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373180#post373180 Were a carbon trade war to happen, Trump might just find himself in the same position as Anthony Eden during the Suez Crisis.

* CNN: Trump could start a trade war by ditching the Paris climate accord

]]> Sat, 03 Jun 2017 00:31:31 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373179#post373179 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373179#post373179 before: the usual version of the Cnut story gets his actual motivation backwards (the story is actually about demonstrating humility by showing his followers that he was merely human), and so to compare Trump to Cnut is to seriously denigrate Cnut. (Or in other words:… ]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 23:07:11 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373176#post373176 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373176#post373176 Didn’t take long: Trump Hands the Chinese a Gift: The Chance for Global Leadership
The Chinese and Russians will fill the void in the Pacific – bye bye US influence and goodwill.

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 20:30:11 +1200 Rob S https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373175#post373175 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373175#post373175 President Cnut.

A gold star for you and you can take the dusters out at the end of the lesson to bang them clean.

I hereby propose that Trump/Drumph is officially President Cnut from here on in.

He can sit on his throne of shit like the pathetic creature he…

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 20:25:01 +1200 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373169#post373169 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373169#post373169 Fri, 02 Jun 2017 18:47:45 +1200 Neil https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373168#post373168 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373168#post373168 Trump waged a vendetta against what he perceived to be a Manattan elite that excluded him. Various Manhattan neighbourhoods paid the price – being destroyed by his developments.

This is the same dynamic but with the neighbourhood being a lot larger.

That vendetta mentality is why people ranging from Assange…

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 18:46:09 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373166#post373166 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373166#post373166 still has many disbelievers within the Science Community

Rubbish.

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 18:27:48 +1200 Stamper Stamp https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373165#post373165 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373165#post373165 Fri, 02 Jun 2017 18:25:47 +1200 Hugh Wilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373160#post373160 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373160#post373160 Didn't take long: Trump Hands the Chinese a Gift: The Chance for Global Leadership

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/us/politics/climate-accord-trump-china-global-leadership.html

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 17:41:18 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373159#post373159 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373159#post373159 California is still on board. ]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 17:15:12 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373158#post373158 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373158#post373158 Someone will hopefully present a more thorough exposition than me in coming days, but think of US car manufacturers (is retaining petrol/diesel models viable? will they produce to European standards?)

All US car manufacturers will build to meet Californian standards which are as good as anywhere. California is the biggest…

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 17:14:33 +1200 Gareth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373157#post373157 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373157#post373157 Fri, 02 Jun 2017 17:11:30 +1200 Trevor Nicholls https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373156#post373156 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373156#post373156 Fri, 02 Jun 2017 17:07:20 +1200 Euan Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373154#post373154 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373154#post373154 To an extent yes, but it may be the case that America experiences quite substantive costs as a result of being an outsider of sorts to multilateral frameworks.

Agreed, and very well described in the rest of your post.

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:55:58 +1200 Euan Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373153#post373153 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373153#post373153 It’s not quite that bad. California is still on board. And Washington (state) and New York (state.)

Yes, It's good to see that some intelligent statesmen are speaking out and influencing policies in some parts of the USA.

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:54:59 +1200 Hugh Wilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373151#post373151 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373151#post373151 The USA can thank us later.

To an extent yes, but it may be the case that America experiences quite substantive costs as a result of being an outsider of sorts to multilateral frameworks. Clearly there are a lot of progressive companies in the US that support emission reductions and…

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:36:05 +1200 Gregor Ronald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373150#post373150 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373150#post373150 Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:21:09 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373149#post373149 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373149#post373149 It will be up to the rest of us to solve the problem of anthropogenic climate change. The USA can thank us later.
It's not quite that bad. California is still on board. And Washington (state) and New York (state.)
https://youtu.be/uRudZX9Zshc

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 15:19:56 +1200 Euan Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373148#post373148 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373148#post373148 Surely he knows this, but equally knows that his bloc of support does not?

Or am I giving the man too much credit?

I think you are giving him too much credit. He gets his alternative facts from Fox & friends. He really, truly doesn't have a clue, which makes this…

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:47:35 +1200 Rebecca Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373146#post373146 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373146#post373146 When he blathered that after withdrawing “we’ll see if we can try and make a deal that’s fair”, it meant exactly nothing.

Surely he knows this, but equally knows that his bloc of support does not?

Or am I giving the man too much credit?

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:07:02 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373144#post373144 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373144#post373144 ...Secretary of State Rex Tillerson (who, let's recall, was CEO of Exxon freakin' Mobil five minutes ago)...
"ExxonMobil, for one, has spent $33 million since 1998 funding organizations like the Heartland Institute, which questions the link between humans and climate change, according to research from the publication DeSmogBlog. And Greenpeace…

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:07:46 +1200 Zach Bagnall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373143#post373143 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373143#post373143 Utter cowardice is the defining characteristic of this administration: much easier to withdraw from an agreement than to meet obligations under it, easier to let access to healthcare deteriorate than to actually increase it, and so on.

No effort to tackle hard problems.. just Stunt Policies to appease his core…

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:06:10 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373142#post373142 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373142#post373142 Fri, 02 Jun 2017 13:03:44 +1200 WH https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373138#post373138 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373138#post373138 Fri, 02 Jun 2017 12:17:58 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373135#post373135 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373135#post373135

But in a way, Trump's feeble account of the decision is worse. He has done the same thing, swinging wildly against phantoms, on the matters of NATO and trade agreements, but this seems on a new level.

I'd argue this is exactly what happens when you put a cowboy New…

]]> Fri, 02 Jun 2017 10:34:32 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373134#post373134 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-stupidity-and-ignorance-have-been/?p=373134#post373134 Discussion from blog post.

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