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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Even in the local home of light rail, Melbourne, they do not put trams along the beach road. It's not really the place for them. They need wide roads, and lots of traffic lights. The do also spoil the outlook with overhead cabling a lot.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 19:29:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>Mt Albert Rd at least has the defence of being a residential and business road. Tamaki Drive is barren of anything except cliffs, parking and beaches for most of its length, and the places where there are businesses and residences are, mostly, intersected by cross streets.</p><p>I happen to really…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:14:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Removing the kerbside parking would enable this to happen.</q></p><p>Heaven forbid. You'll recall the organised wailing by roadside parkers when Mt Albert Road's cycleways were introduced &ndash; and the resulting "compromise" is visually obvious.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 23:45:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10786213 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Good double pager in todays Herald</a>. (One of the few I have read over the years as we have been on hols in Tairua and got to read it on the way home today). </p><p>Seems things might be getting a bit of headway although the strange but true story of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 22:42:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Terry Baucher</title>
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						And for those who quibble about the cost for installing cycleways perhaps a read of this MOT report on the social cost of accidents would be instructive (Note for NZTA reporting purposes my injuries are deemed to be serious as I was hospitalised for three days.  Based on the MOT…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:41:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Terry Baucher</title>
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						<p>For those of a slightly ghoulish persuasion this is a map prepared by Cycle Action Auckland showing 107 cyclist v vehicle crashes along Tamaki Drive between 1 January 2003 and November 2011 (personal note I'm one of the purple flags near Sage Road in Kohimaramara).  </p><p><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=206432868319884065325.000479a64faf5f12c026f&amp;msa=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=206432868319884065325.000479a64faf5f12c026f&amp;msa=0</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:35:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I don't actually think any level of SAP would let you manage a database of speed limits properly. That's more of a GIS job, along with a repository of whatever stautory instrument is needed to establish a speed restriction.</p><p>SAP might tell you how many signs you had.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:58:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bryce</title>
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						<p>Firstly, I'm a cyclist in Auckland.</p><p>As for the undertaking law only being for cars, no it isn't. The Road Code is for all vehicles unless stated otherwise. Cyclists must observe the same rules as cars / truck / horses and carts etc.</p><p>The best fix to Tamaki Drive problem…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:11:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bryce</title>
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						And the cyclist made the choice to illegally undetake the moving truck.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:06:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						I guess people have seen news of the NZ speaking tour by Roger Geller of the Portland Oregon Cycling Advocacy.  He is talking in Hamilton on Friday 17th, 12-1 at the HCC Reception Lounge.  I will be there as I off to Portland in a couple of weeks, for a…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:49:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q><br />One does still see donkeys and mules working even in downtown Beijing.<br /></q></p><p>Even working as <a href="http://www.donkeyinstitute.net/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an institute of contemporary art</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:04:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Using their much cheaper ($3.4 million) Microsoft (I assume) based in-house system</q></p><p>Nope, SAP, just like what's being used by the Council. That's part of the reason for the outrage at the cost: it's the same software, so spinning off another instance for use by the Council, or even sharing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:01:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Looking forward to seeing @farmgeek again at Foo today</q></p><p>you lucky bugger</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:36:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I don't know either, but a rural environment with no vehicles that were capable of the kind of raw power output for lengthy periods in remote locations, that currently only ICEs can provide, yet produces modern levels of output, is futuristic beyond prediction. There was a reason that even before…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:06:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>all the work all the horses in the world could produce wouldn’t be enough to maintain the level of production that we currently have.</q></p><p>This was my point, better made. And I don't know how big a part of the answer biofuels can be, considering that their production depends on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:26:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I believe it's more pragmatic &ndash; what you do with the power you have when others won't toe the line.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:09:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Not so much, with Joyce’s deliberate shifting of responsibility from Auckland Council’s transport committee to Auckland Transport’s appointed board and bound by Ministry/NZTA national priorities. </q></p><p>Chances are it's sour grapes for John Banks not taking Greater Auckland.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:57:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I countered that we (as in Auckland) were independent from Wellington (the Govt), and could shape our program however we liked. </q></p><p>Not so much, with Joyce's deliberate shifting of responsibility from Auckland Council's transport committee to Auckland Transport's appointed board and bound by Ministry/NZTA national priorities. </p><p>Auckland is even more…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:47:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>IT lives…</strong><br /><q>a poor soul in Auckland Transport spent a good whack of time compiling the speed limit database for every road in the Auckland Council area. That’s 14,000 lines in an excel spreadsheet.</q><br />Using their much cheaper ($3.4 million) Microsoft (I assume) based in-house system – while the Super…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:23:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<p>Wearing elected rep hat:</p><p><q>the database of speed limits has to be kept strictly up to date.</q></p><p>True job: a poor soul in Auckland Transport spent a good whack of time compiling the speed limit database for every road in the Auckland Council area. That’s 14,000 lines in an excel…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:08:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>a tiller the hum...</strong><br /><q> If farming could use entirely renewable energy.</q><br />I'm tilting towards windmills,<br />and clockwork wind-ups...</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:59:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>And there was me thinking National’s roads would be paved with good intentions.</p><p>* * *<br />As for <strong>ponies for everyone</strong>:  Remember that the advent of the motor car actually <em>decreased</em> urban pollution levels, for a very basic reason. Considering the likely effect on public health, horses will probably <em>not</em>…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:37:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Our roads are also made of oil. Keeping them repaired might prove interesting. Can always dig up extra lanes to keep some open, I guess. Considerate of Steven Joyce to lay in a supply.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>your arguments smack more of wanting an argument than of making a logical point.</q></p><p>I am sorry about that, really. I didn't mean much more by that throwaway than that all the work all the horses in the world could produce wouldn't be enough to maintain the level of production…</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p><q>And they [=internal combustion engines] will get all the fuel at the end of the oil supply, when rationing demands it.</q></p><p>Really? Fuel is the most wasteful possible use of petrochemicals. By any logical measure, oil’s use as a chemical feedstock for plastics should have <em>much</em> higher priority at a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:50:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>One can learn to hammer a nail or cook a basic meal fairly quickly and easily, but learning to drive requires much more practice over a much longer period of time.</q></p><p>Also, one moment of distraction while using a hammer is likely to cause only a sore thumb, rather than…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:58:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						I was thinking along similar lines regarding hammers and knives, but one most draw the line somewhere. It is reasonable to expect any adult to be able to teach any child to use hammers, knives and cooking fires responsibly without endangering others (yes, I know, there's a lot of irresponsible…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:52:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Quite a lot of people kill each other with cooking fires. Maybe one shouldn't be allowed lethal weapons such as cookers without passing a regular and comprehensive test of competence and concentration. After all you can survive perfectly well on sandwiches and salad.
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>Horses don’t have to be worked to death any more.</q></p><p>What Islander said. No-one but an arsehole works a horse to death. Sometimes, Ben, your arguments smack more of wanting an argument than of making a logical point.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>when your life would depend on the animal’s wellbeing…</q></p><p>Oh, of course, but I was actually thinking, and poorly expressing, of the relationship and emotional bond formed, just like your Nana's friends.</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>I’m inclined to think a good horseperson will take care of their horses the way any good farmer will maintain their machinery</q></p><p>Indeed Chris- because there times, past &amp; present (and putting aside any notions of<br />appreciation/love for the animal itself) when your <strong>life</strong> would depend on the animal's wellbeing...</p><p>Just…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:04:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>One does still see donkeys and mules working even in downtown Beijing. I've also seen water buffalo at work in rice paddies in south China.</p><p>I'm inclined to think a good horseperson will take care of their horses the way any good farmer will maintain their machinery, the difference being…</p>
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						<p><q>Horses don’t have to be worked to death any more.</q></p><p>Ben, there are still farms where afficionados of heavy horses largely work their farms by horse-power (mainly in Otago/Southland.) They go places where the machines cant, and they <em>learn</em> from their jobs.</p><p>Even in the bad old days, the majority…</p>
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						<p><q>Or the vehicle with four legs? I imagine it's how all got by out your way before the oil-age.</q></p><p>Does seem like a bit of an unnecessary step backwards. Farms have so many options for fuel generation, and such a justifiable need, as part of the human food supply chain,…</p>
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						<p>Kia ora George -originally most people got here by walking &amp;/or waka, but when a corduroy track was put in in the gold rush 1860s, horses &ndash; especially packhorses- became a favourite method of transport. There still  were 3 horses around the<br />settlement when I arrived in 1974 (used for rounding…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						That we have shit public transport still doesn't give you a right to be in control of a lethal weapon, IMO. You could argue that farmers have a right to destroy vermin that threaten their livelihoods, too, but we wouldn't accept it as a justification for giving out firearms licences.…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:40:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q><br />A car has been essential for everyone who lived or lives in the area:<br /></q></p><p>Or the vehicle with four legs? I imagine it's how all got by out your way before the oil-age.</p>
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						<p><q>But the post-oil countryside is a much bleaker prospect.</q></p><p>I doubt there will ever be a post-fuel countryside. They can make fuel themselves. In the long run, it will be one of the only things that would justify ICEs continuing to exist. And they will get all the fuel at…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:21:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Our ancestors managed quite alright in a pre-car countryside, and that wasn't all that long ago. I'm sure we'll think of something, either going back to old tech horse and cart or finding replacement fuels.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:17:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>Or anyone who needs to visit somebody in a rural (or semi-rural – places like Piha and numerous Wellington suburbs are off the grid as far as public transport is concerned) area.</q></p><p>Indeed. People often wring hands about what the post-oil city is going to look like, and how we…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:03:15 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>We could have a Postbus service that goes everywhere, as in Europe, but we don’t.</q></p><p>We did used to have (the old RNZ bus network – but even back in the early 1970s, it didnt come into Big O (or many other tiny off -main-road Coast communities.))</p><p>A car has…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:39:11 +1300</pubDate>
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						excellent
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:37:04 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Or anyone who needs to visit somebody in a rural (or semi-rural &ndash; places like Piha and numerous Wellington suburbs are off the grid as far as public transport is concerned) area.</p><p>We could have a <a href="http://www.postauto.ch/en" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Postbus</a> service that goes everywhere, as in Europe, but we don't.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:30:10 +1300</pubDate>
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						Yes, anyone living in Piha is either stuck in Piha, or uses a car. It is physically possible to ride or walk it, but don't, if you value your life, without substantial preparation.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:20:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>a large proportion of NZ</q></p><p>In terms of land area, sure. In terms of population? NZ is very highly urbanised.</p>
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						<p><q>Most people, though, have options to walk, bicycle, catch a bus, etc.</q></p><p>Well I don't intend to spend hours with a GIS proving this, but suspect that a large proportion of NZ has no bus service and is beyond reasonable walking or cycling distance from anywhere that does.</p>
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						<p><q>Naturally you heard all about that at the time. Transparency only works when the rest of the political system is functioning properly.</q></p><p>I think I just cut myself on your tongue...</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>The argument that Internet access is fundamental to free speech relates to the quantity of discourse and volume of information that is only accessible electronically. To be denied access is to be denied full participation.</q></p><p>Still the situation for some disabled and elderly New Zealanders.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						The presence or absence of a codified constitution is irrelevant. The problem is that Parliament is supreme, and behaves like it. Unless a codified constitution changed that, nothing would be any different.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:57:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>One could view driving a car as part of a right to free movement. After all, many people believe Internet access to be part of a right to free speech.</q></p><p>If you have absolutely no other way of getting around (you're confined to a wheelchair and live on a sheep…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:52:58 +1300</pubDate>
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						I disagree that it has, I think it has been captured in the absence of NZ having a fair written constitution, see other thread. I no longer have any faith in our political system, it has been too easily hijacked and continues to be so.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:45:18 +1300</pubDate>
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						It has. Democracy is not much more of an answer than transparency is, on its own.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:38:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q> Transparency only works when the rest of the political system is functioning properly.</q><br />One day we will see the knaves for what they are, because if anyone thinks this system has been devised democratically...</p>
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						<p><q>Also we need a Govt. system that can approve or disapprove transparently this kind of intention.</q></p><p>That was Joyce's aim in changing regional transport authority arrangements to force more explicit obedience to the Goverment Policy Statement (GPS) which shifts funding priority from things like cycleways and potholes to building new…</p>
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						<p>Either fully commit to bicycle lanes that are fully safe and functional or don’t have them at all. Also we need a Govt. system that can approve or disapprove transparently this kind of intention.<br />Yes I think the funding model is broken and dysfunctional, we need a new system for…</p>
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						<p><q>One could view driving a car as part of a right to free movement.</q></p><p>That notion certainly seems to animate some fervent anti-public-transport advocates, as if providing other options somehow reduces theirs. #zerosum</p>
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						a good foundation
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:45:41 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Then you'll love the proposed future from the draft central city masterplan &ndash; scroll about halfway down until you find an picture of this</q></p><p>I do love it, btw. It's almost like Asimov's vision of Trantor, the Imperial capital planet, so completely covered in buildings that the area on top…</p>
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						<p>OMG thread takes a sudden turn to the heavily authoritarian.</p><p>It's worth noting that no one was actually harmed by said comedian. He was punished in a way commensurate with the crime, I think. Much harder than some other unrepentant drunks I know who have managed to get dispensations on…</p>
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						One could view driving a car as part of a right to free movement. After all, many people believe Internet access to be part of a right to free speech.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>I was just pointing out that there is a sub-section of society that scoffs at our ideas of civilised behaviour and cocks a proverbial snook at rules, licences and the like.</q></p><p>Yes, but there's also a section of society who would <em>still</em> not get a driver's licence if they were…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:47:11 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>GPS spoofing devices</q></p><p>the new radar detector</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:28:01 +1300</pubDate>
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						Retrofit? You never know till the law compels you to try ;-)
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:41:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Not wrong Ian- even extended to the provincials. I was a journalist, trained on the job, and card-carrying for my last 6 months at the "Grey Evening Star" (as it was then.) The editor, Russell Nelson, and sub, Frank Neate, were moderate in their drinking, but the head journo? Waua!…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:32:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Distilled life... or brew ha ha?</strong><br /><q>Someday, someone will do an investigation into the drinking culture of ANZ broadcasting – especially the TV wing- it doesnt just devolve upon the comedians…</q><br />...and journalists in general (maybe more so the old school variety) if these Chch quakes had happened twenty years…</p>
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						<p>Gadsby has been known as, erm, a toper for quite a while -one of his colleagues, whom I esteemed rather more, died of cirrhosis much earlier on.<br />Someday, someone will do an investigation into the drinking culture of ANZ broadcasting &ndash; especially the TV wing- it doesnt just devolve upon…</p>
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						Two-abreast is fine &ndash; if they are riding cycles WITHOUT panniers ( which add a good -up to- 40cm EACH SIDE of each bike &ndash; unless you're like several nullbrains who strap their tents on lengthwise, when you can then add quite a bit more...)
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						<p><q>Uses GPS to track local speed limit</q></p><p>Good idea. One would be able to make a fortune selling GPS spoofing devices.</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>Not if your WOF depended on it</q></p><p>But that would force everyone to buy a new car. I like old cars ):</p>
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						<p><q>So then you’d have 20+ years before the majority of the fleet were fitted with it, and a massive perverse incentive for people to hang on to older cars.</q></p><p>Not if your WOF depended on it</p>
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						Did he get alcoholism treatment the other times, though? But yes, the celeb double standard continues. If he were a rugby player, we might never have even heard about it.
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong> <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/6376293/Drink-driving-Jon-Gadsby-avoids-jail" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Grate Gadsby…</a> </strong><br /><q>I was just pointing out that there is a sub-section of society that scoffs at our ideas of civilised behaviour and cocks a proverbial snook at rules, licences and the like</q><br />Why just yesterday in Chch a well known comedian, ex-editor and toper was convicted…</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<q>And take the pitlane speed limiters from Formula 1 and put them in all vehicles so that it becomes physically impossible to exceed the speed limit. Hook them up to your device so that if the speed limiter is disabled, the car won’t go, and the GPS will set the…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:13:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Doesn’t stop people from being dicks to cyclists</q></p><p>it might if there was a proximity sensor that automatically fined any motorist for being within say a foot of one</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:54:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						And take the pitlane speed limiters from Formula 1 and put them in all vehicles so that it becomes physically impossible to exceed the speed limit. Hook them up to your device so that if the speed limiter is disabled, the car won't go, and the GPS will set the…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:08:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben McNicoll</title>
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						<p>Oh yeah, and pilot the thing in commercial vehicles first perhaps. </p><p>ETA: Steven Joyce would LOVE that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:59:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben McNicoll</title>
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						<p>Seeing as we’ve veered into driver enforcement/education etc… here’s my modest proposal:</p><p>A compulsory device for vehicles (phased in) that:</p><p>&ndash; Disables ignition until insertion of valid smart card license. <br />&ndash; Uses GPS to track local speed limit, warns if exceeded, and imposes instant fines for exceeding tolerance after the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:52:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Yeah, 'cept I like seeing the traffic cops patrolling in Police-liveried tow trucks. It's a nice reminder to behave myself cos I don't have my bus card on me. Also, clamping somebody on the side of the road doesn't seem the best idea, but a Police tow truck can confiscate…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:21:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Buy the Police some tow trucks so they can instantly confiscate the vehicles of offenders.</q></p><p>Or wheel clamps, which would be a lot cheaper.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:15:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I have noticed that in other countries, the same type of people who in NZ drive like dicks in their own cars steal other peoples instead.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:03:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Buy the Police some tow trucks so they can instantly confiscate the vehicles of offenders.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:45:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>We don’t fuck about with people who break the law on firearms, so why do we pussy-foot about with people who break the law on vehicles? They’re no less lethal, and infinitely more dangerous.</q></p><p>The keywords are, "when used as directed". But still, more creative ways of enforcement need to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:38:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>They’re no less lethal, and infinitely more dangerous.</q></p><p>And they would seem to be involved in a lot more death, destruction and general mayhem than are firearms.</p><p>One thing I've seen on main roads entering Beijing &ndash; way out on the border with Hebei, so a long way before the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:36:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						<p>Yes, Matthew, and I meant every word of it...  </sarc></p><p>I was just pointing out that there is a sub-section of society that scoffs at our ideas of civilised behaviour and cocks a proverbial snook at rules, licences and the like.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:26:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Are you scared enough yet?</q></p><p>No. And it's a bullshit argument against making it more difficult to exercise the legal privilege of controlling a lethal weapon. Driving is a privilege, and your argument pretty much predicates on it being a right. If you don't get a licence, you should expect…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:22:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Chris, you’ve been away too long…</q></p><p>Yeah, maybe, but aren't people caught driving while disqualified or otherwise without a licence usually prosecuted? Still, would be nice if they were caught before they crash.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:14:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						<p>Chris, you've been away too long...</p><p>It seems like half the accidents involve people with no licence (admittedly generally disqualified drivers rather than those that never got one to start with, but I don't want to increase the incidence of either).</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 15:10:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						That's why we have police &ndash; y'know, to like, enforce the rules?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:57:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						<p>Sorry to say that if you make the licensing more onerous you will just have a greater prevalence of those wankers who can physically drive but don't have a licence.  And hence no insurance and usually no social obligation to play by the rules.</p><p>Are you scared enough yet?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:54:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>but it’ll be three generations before everyone who got a licence under the various old, inadequate systems finally shuffles their way off the roads.</q></p><p>I kind of like the idea of the 10 year retest cycle. Things do change, after all. Rules change, eyesight changes, conditions change. Such obsessive retesting…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:48:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Could we please start doing things right and not half-arsedly?</q></p><p>To be fair, the tests are now computerised and the order (of questions, and the answers within) is random. The “memorise the ‘practice’ scratchies” (there were 20 combinations in use by MOT/LTSA, and one could buy all of them from…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:23:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Generally, these are tourist groups...</q></p><p>Oh, yes, had a lot of trouble of that nature last summer out in Yanqing, expecting more such trouble once the weather warms up. The county government put up signs marking some of the rural roads as a cycle touring route, which is a great…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:17:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<q>Driving a car is a privilege. Having sat with a number of drivers whose inadequacies scare me, I think there's call to have people take supervision about once per decade, and if necessary have those people referred for further training. This wouldn't address the wilfully dangerous, but it would greatly…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:14:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Could we please start doing things right and not half-arsedly?</q></p><p>As a nation, we have tolerated cheap and short-sighted far too readily.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:13:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>At which point she booked in of her own accord for a few hours supervised with an instructor, who pointed out gently some of her failings and how to address them.</q></p><p>My mother, who is her mid-80s, drives an automatic early1990s BMW. She belongs to a group called Probis, which,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:11:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>selling it to user-pays society is the hard part</q></p><p>And that's what the political left has to show it's capable of doing again.</p>
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				<title>Maz</title>
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						<p>I did say, and mean, two abreast. Of course riders shouldn't take up the entire (half) road. As a driver and cyclist, however, I find being held up a heck of lot less infuriating than someone endangering my life with their careless/reckless driving.</p><p>And re driver training, the idea was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:07:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Or, put another way: Michael Schumacher drives dangerously, but has absolute awareness and full control of the vehicle. Others drive 'safely' but have limited awareness and often very little control of the vehicle. </p><p>I know who I'd rather drive with. This of course isn't an indictment of speeding campaigns and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:02:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q>Subsidised or free compulsory training paid for from taxes and transport-user fees? Not that hard.</q></p><p>My own Grandmother, who is in her mid-80s, still drives around. She's cautious, but has less control of the vehicle than she should. Nevertheless, owning a car greatly increases her mobility and allows her to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:55:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<q>In most cases, I think it doesn't actually add any time at all. This is a great fallacy that many drivers believe, that if you drive faster, without anyone impeding you, and taking every cheap dangerous advantage that you can, that you will get where you want to go substantially…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:53:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>And how many seconds does it add to your drive, patiently waiting for that safe opportunity to pass a group of riders? 10? 15 max?</q></p><p>In most cases, I think it doesn't actually add any time at all. This is a great fallacy that many drivers believe, that if you…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:49:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Depends on the number of cyclists, whether they have panierbags on their machines, and how they are grouped (e.g in pairs, trios or &ndash; as I once came across round a corner on a notoriously twisty hill, a quartet...the fourth person was well over the double yellows into the opposite…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:49:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p><q>training paid for from taxes </q><br />/sacred cow dies/</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:44:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Driver training is quite costly, though. Hard to see any way around that.</q></p><p>Subsidised or free compulsory training paid for from taxes and transport-user fees? Not that hard.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the only mishap he ever had was when he collided with a wild boar in the forest</q></p><p>couldn't resist</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ1ZkNg4Qc8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ1ZkNg4Qc8</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 13:24:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>It may be a hassle and much more expensive, but there is definitely something to be said for learning from a professional.</q></p><p>Totally. I initially learned from my mother, which was great for the basic mechanical business of driving a car, but after that my folks paid for professional instruction…</p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p><q>Here, I expect that mandating professional lessons or making the test stricter would have unpleasant social consequences </q><br />I had visions of Vigil.</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>IIRC in Germany the license test is so onerous that it is just impossible to pass without professional instruction, which typically will cost thousands.</p><p>It's an interesting thing, because the high cost of gaining a license is a barrier to poor people, but in mitigation it's much easier to be…</p>
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				<title>Maz</title>
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						Oh, and forgot to add, that riding two abreast is legal. And how many seconds does it add to your drive, patiently waiting for that safe opportunity to pass a group of riders? 10? 15 max?
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						Oh, well said, Maz. I was recently in Norway and Germany and thought the environment for cyclists was much, much nicer. My aunt, who is approaching 70, thinks nothing of jumping on her bike and setting off to run errands around town. A small town, admittedly. My uncle cycled for…
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						<p>I'd like to comment on a few different issues raised here:<br />It sounds like some of you think that a few k's of cycle paths/lanes is all a city can afford or should be expected to provide. Growing up in Scandinavia, I've come to expect so much more, in fact…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:57:25 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>It will also border on a surreal level of cycling infrastructure to cross right through the middle of the busiest motorway junction in the country</q></p><p>Then you'll love the proposed future from the draft <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2011/09/24/the-fantastic-city-centre-masterplan/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">central city masterplan</a> &ndash; scroll about halfway down until you find an picture of this:</p><p><q>A…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:45:43 +1300</pubDate>
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						Keep up the good work, Christopher. That Grafton Gully connection will be much appreciated. It will also border on a surreal level of cycling infrastructure to cross right through the middle of the busiest motorway junction in the country, without even having to slow down. There's a thrill seeking side…
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						<p><q>without political interference</q></p><p>A classic example was the former Auckland City Council's C&amp;R councillors headed by Mr Hay (with Banks as ceremonial frontpuppet, a role he seems to relish) demanding that the bus lanes all be marked with blue paint because green was the colour of the opposition City Vision bloc.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:10:55 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>I have, along with others such as Pippa Coom, have been arguing that engineers should as a matter of course incorporate cycle features in renewal works.</q></p><p>Good stuff. I imagine permanent cycle lanes need less costly sub-surface treatment than other vehicular lanes. That should also be an attractive cost-benefit argument…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:05:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						Yes, I lived in Christchurch during my student days, and remember the cycling very fondly indeed. The ease of getting around the city, no real need to own a vehicle except for mountain getaways, and the wonderful roads all over Banks Peninsula, which are mostly still accessible apart from Evans…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 09:06:20 +1300</pubDate>
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						There seems to be a huge discrepancy between the urban and rural with regard to cyclists.  In the urban environment cyclists are travelling at closer to the speed of the vehicular traffic and are being increasingly well catered-for (I know it is a <em>relative</em>  consideration).  On rural roads, however, with…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:57:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Christopher Dempsey</title>
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						<p>Wearing my elected rep hat I’ll make the following comments:</p><p><q>Jane Bishop’s death is not by any ordinary use of the word an accident. The danger was identified four years previously. By all accounts, any number of regular users of that road regarded it as a notoriously life threatening spot.…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:52:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>So which are the actual safe / safe-ish roads regularly used by cyclists in Auckland ?</q></p><p>Puhinui Road west/east to/from the airport is pretty popular, because although it's mostly open road it's got big, wide shoulders. Likewise George Bolt Memorial Drive, which is the north/south airport road. I have never…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:57:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>TXTing is a hell of a lot easier on a bike.</q></p><p>And just as dangerous.</p><p>Now, if between 'Trucks (large)' and 'buses', you add the following:</p><p>Cars with military licence plates<br />Cars with People's Armed Police licence plates<br />Cars with diplomatic licence plates (especially if they have a little flag…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:53:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<q>That sounds like a frustrating death-trap. I know how I'd get to the stop-box. I'd ride on the road to it, amongst the traffic. If I couldn't do that, due to car speeds being too high at the time to allow a cyclist to take the right lane, I'd stay…</q>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:39:57 +1300</pubDate>
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						This thread is remarkably long, and I've come into it late (only got back from a last-minute trip to PNG on Sunday night), so I'm not sure if this has been covered, but as a cyclist we're put into contradictory legal positions. We're required to ride as far left as…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:32:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>I'd be pretty surprised if the judge is correct in that reading of the passing on the left rule. For one thing it only applies to drivers.</q></p><p>Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but <a href="http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM302197.html?search=ts_regulation_road+user_resel&amp;p=1#DLM302197" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the regulations</a> say:<br /><q><br /><strong>driver</strong> means a person driving a vehicle; and includes the rider…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:23:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As a car driver it is enough to be worried about other cars, trucks and busses on the road without worrying about cyclists when there are also cyclists riding along the footpath next to you amongst others.</p><p>No, you need to be able to do all these things at the…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						That sounds like a frustrating death-trap. I know how I'd get to the stop-box. I'd ride on the road to it, amongst the traffic. If I couldn't do that, due to car speeds being too high at the time to allow a cyclist to take the right lane, I'd stay…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:19:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						It's in the sacred schools pickup and dropoff zone, lot of clout Epsom, it even has it's own motorway lane, arguably.
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Gah, I used to live nearby. I hated Wheturangi Road &mdash; especially the pedestrian crossings with their effective pinch points that came out into the cycle lane, so you'd have to stop or swing into a car's path.
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Gotta say that one of the things I've been looking foward to about our impending move to Chch is a flatter landscape more conducive to cycling. This thread is rather giving me pause.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:32:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>To date, the council’s response has been to put large signs on the footpath asking cyclists to be considerate.</q></p><p>Indeed. There's a sign on <a href="http://g.co/maps/ex826" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the corner of Wheturangi Road and Green Lane</a> saying something like "Cyclists please dismount and cross to use the cycle lane". So if I'm heading east,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:01:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Likewise, another problem with riding on the footpath is that it encourages motorists to believe that’s the right and only place for bikes.</q><br />My lad aged 12 has been happily scootering or walking to school by himself in Wellington for two or three years now, but here in Christchurch I…</p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p><q>I think councils are still struggling with the distinction between cycling as a sight-seeing recreation, and cycling as a normal mode of transport.</q><br />I think Councils see cycling as competitive to their (Council, Govt.) revenue model.</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						To add a note from a Wellingtonian perspective: the waterfront along Oriental Parade has a similar problems. You can ride on a shared path, where pedestrians wander and safe speed is probably not much above walking at busy times; or you can ride on the road, where there is angle…
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				<title>Stephanie</title>
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						<p><q>But a flipside to watch out for, get in the habit of checking the brakes</q></p><p>Good tip, will watch.</p>
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						<p><q>Using the one dedicated footpath/cycle lane on my commute I'm pretty sure would increase my risk; Tamaki Drive is another terrible example.</q></p><p>I'd almost go so far as to say that the very presence of a lane like that increases your risk, because it makes car drivers angry at cyclists…</p>
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						<p><q>IMO if there is an adjacent cycle lane on a footpath it should be illegal to be riding on the road.</q></p><p>For that to work we'd need to agree on a <strong>high</strong> minimum standard for such lanes. Using the one dedicated footpath/cycle lane on my commute I'm pretty sure would…</p>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Sad to see the hatey comments on this article about a cyclist injured in Chch.  </q><br />Yes, we've just moved to Christchurch and are cycling a lot more as part of our daily routines (to school and work) than was the case in Wellington. It's nice to see a reasonable network…</p>
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						<p><q>50-80km with pedalling but the hills will reduce that and we don't yet know by how much.</q></p><p>I'd be interested to hear, when you get a better idea. It's really hard to get a straight answer on mileage because "with pedaling" is inspecific. But more importantly, your weight/load is a…</p>
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				<title>Stephanie</title>
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						<p><q>I'm not convinced you could commute in work clothes easily on any bike with less than a 300 watt motor. Which is more than is legal, I understand.</q></p><p>You are probably right about the clothes &ndash; but motors up to 300W are legal in NZ. We haven't had a chance…</p>
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						<p><q>it might take community-led action unless enough of the politicians get their shit together.</q></p><p>I think unless we agitate, nothing will change, except more cyclists will die.  The Dutch got there <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/3353/?p=247734#post247734" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">by mass protests</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:36:55 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Sad to see the hatey comments</q></p><p>Reaping the leadership we tolerate.</p>
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						I'd say it might take community-led action unless enough of the politicians get their shit together.
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						<p><q>too hard? #notfrickengoodenough</q></p><p>Hell, GetAcross successfully invoked civil disobedience on the Auckland Harbour Bridge, to put pedestrian-friendliness on the agenda.</p>
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						I came off sounding like I'm down on electric bikes. I'm not &ndash; they have their place, and one of mine served me very well. I know there are higher end bikes than I used, but the prices put me off quite a lot. Also, I was never using it…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:26:54 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Sad to see the hatey comments on <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/6370147/Cyclists-plea-for-changes-after-nearly-losing-leg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this article about a cyclist injured in Chch</a>.  How many deaths and injuries will it take for NZ to decide we have to do better for cyclists?  </p><p>The wife of the injured man has started <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Safe-Cycling-NZ/352579718099938" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this FB page</a>.</p>
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				<title>Stephanie</title>
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						<p><q>It has been and it will. But the irony is that also means that lead acid batteries are improving and being driven down in cost, and they’re still the battery of choice in electric bikes, for the vast majority that are actually being used. ie in China.</q></p><p>Not sure how…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>People should get vehicles like this:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN_XjwvSL_w" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN_XjwvSL_w</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:48:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I know whose contribution to the air I breathe I prefer.</q></p><p>For sure, especially in a really crowded city.</p><p><q>I also suspect the battery technology will improve with time, as it will with electric cars.</q></p><p>It has been and it will. But the irony is that also means that lead…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 00:36:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>It’s actually borderline whether they’re more environmentally friendly than a petrol scooter.</q></p><p>True, but around here I see people tearing into traffic on two stroke petrol scooters and various tradesfolk on tricycles fitted with lawnmower engines, and then I see the electric versions. I know whose contribution to the air…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 23:45:57 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Yeah, from what I've seen they're for flat cities.</q></p><p>And small people. Who don't have enough money for a real scooter. Which is hundreds of millions of people, LOL.</p><p>It's actually borderline whether they're more environmentally friendly than a petrol scooter. Most have lead-acid batteries, which eventually die and become…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:49:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>addressing a clear and particular problem</q></p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/6366176/Roading-authorities-can-t-remove-Tamaki-Dr-hazards" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">too hard</a>? #notfrickengoodenough</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:38:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Ben, I could hardly agree more with what you've written above. We're not talking about cycle-fying every metre of roadway, but about addressing a clear and particular problem.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:21:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>That HoS editorial is excellent, and the comments are highly sympathetic. Unusual for such a publication, but I’ll take it. It appears that the writer took cues from this column and Transportblog (and why wouldn’t you?)</q></p><p>The editor of the HoS is clearly a different guy from the main Granny.</p>
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						<em>Some</em> of the comments were sympathetic. There were still people whose views were that nothing should be spent on cycling infrastructure and cyclists should STFU, and deserved what cars dished to them <sigh>. Most of those people wouldn't seem to have been on a cycle for years, saying things like…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:00:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>e writer took cues from this column and Transportblog</q></p><p>Yeah, I did think it read like the author had been following the discussion here.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:14:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						That HoS editorial is excellent, and the comments are highly sympathetic. Unusual for such a publication, but I'll take it. It appears that the writer took cues from this column and Transportblog (and why wouldn't you?)
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10783458" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Herald on Sunday is on board, too:</a></p><p><q>Cyclists, in particular those who commute, are not obscure oddball hobbyists; they are the trailblazers of a transport future whom we should applaud and accommodate.</q></p><p>Amen!</p>
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						<p>Oh whoops, I was too squeamish to read the details closely.</p><p><q>I do strongly subscribe to the defensive riding philosophy, especially in riding past parked cars.</q></p><p>I totally agree, and I ride very defensively myself.  But how much reaction time do you usually get when someone opens a door in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:33:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>When I am riding along the road and past parked cars I treat every door as one about to open. People talk about defensive driving but defensive riding is far more important</em></p><p>But the cyclist in this case did avoid the door…and was thereby run over by a truck. Evasive…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:11:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>PS, if we are going to constantly compare Auckland with other cities in terms of road layout it would be useful to</q></p><p>Other cities provide examples and ideas for what can be done. Clearly they can't be simply imported wholesale and plonked onto Auckland's roads without adjusting them to suit…</p>
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						It took years of activism in local and central politics to get cycling facilities considered as part of the usual business of roading/urban development projects. Yet the entire system and culture still prioritises trucks and cars, and that bias is deeply embedded in funding mechanisms and the attitudes of most…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:00:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>ALWAYS check my mirror before opening my door when parking on a street.</q></p><p>So do I but even then I miss the bastards sometimes.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>To trasform Auckland into some kind of cycling oasis would cost about 20 squizilliontrillion dollars and the money would probably be better spent on ejukashun or something like that.</q></p><p>It's not all-or-nothing. Money spent making cycling safer or more convenient does work well before the squazillion mark is reached. Particularly…</p>
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						biggest risk on footpaths would be driveways, wouldn't it?
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p><q>And I am an occasional recreational cyclist, albeit one who rides on the footpath wherever possible.</q></p><p>Grah, this is actually more dangerous! It is unusual to be hit while going straight along a road. Most accidents, as always, happen at intersections. And drivers don't expect cyclists to emerge from the…</p>
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						<p><q>When I am riding along the road and past parked cars I treat every door as one about to open. People talk about defensive driving but defensive riding is far more important</q></p><p>But the cyclist in this case <em>did</em> avoid the door...and was thereby run over by a truck.  Evasive…</p>
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						PS, if we are going to constantly compare Auckland with other cities in terms of road layout it would be useful to compare it with other cities that have two large harbours and a narrow isthmus, 50+ dormant volcanoes, two mountain ranges to the west and east, and an undulating…
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						<q>Having been "doored" I guess I'm less charitable. I don't for a second doubt there is no legal case to answer and that the judge made the only decision he could. But I don't feel able to say the same about the driver, drivers simply don't think about what is…</q>
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						<p><q>Traffic restrictions too, although I don't think that would be popular. Here in Beijing all private cars are banned from the roads one day a week.<br /></q><br />Well, we've tried that idea ourselves...</p>
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						<q>500 or so cyclists, all wearing black</q>i.e., lots of <em>low-visibility</em> cyclists? ... <q>the impact would be undeniable.</q>I fear you could be right.
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						Yes, but <a href="http://www.roadswerenotbuiltforcars.com/motorists-front-of-judea-what-have-the-cyclists-ever-done-for-us/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">what have the cyclists ever done for us</a>? (Apart from pneumatic tyres, ball bearings, roads...)
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						<p><q>Having lived in Auckland and Wellington, this made me LOL :-D</q></p><p>Wellington does have a big edge on the headwinds. But it's all close together, man, you can't call me soft.</p>
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						<p><q> A big part of the appeal of that kind of vehicle is that it can reduce the pedaling exertion on hills, which dominate Auckland.</q></p><p>Having lived in Auckland and Wellington, this made me LOL  :-D</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Flat cities may have different experiences.</q></p><p>Yeah, from what I've seen they're for flat cities. I've ridden my brother in law's electric scooter with my wife on the back up  to my father in law's orchard a couple of times, that's up a very slight rise to the base of…</p>
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						I'll also note I purchased <em>cheap</em> electric bikes &ndash; the most expensive one was $300. There are far, far more expensive ones that might be a heck of a lot better &ndash; with modern battery types, brushless motors that have regenerative braking, and built with very light materials. But I…
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						<p><q>Of course, electric scooters help a lot with the summer heat &ndash; I wonder if they're making an appearance in at least some of NZ's flatter cities? </q></p><p>Heh, don't get me started. Too late!</p><p>I have owned 3 electric bikes, one was more of a bike, the other more of…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>The big problem in NZ</q></p><p>Yeah, I agree that a big change in attitude needs to happen along with massive investment in better designed infrastructure. We've got a similar problem here in Beijing where piss poor training, inexperience, and some pretty bad attitudes combine to render what is often actually…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:53:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> it's clear to all road users that it's a shared space,</q></p><p>And that, kinda, is the way it works. The big problem in NZ is the perception that you have "Right of way" and others are "In your way" and should just get the hell out of it.<br />My first…</p>
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						<p><q>That'll work in New Zealand.</q></p><p>Cycling in the Netherlands wasn't always this way.  After WW2 the roads were increasingly dominated by cars and many, many cyclists were killed.  They've built the infrastructure and the behaviour from scratch.  So, surely, could we.</p>
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						<p>Ah, yes, very reminiscent of what I remember seeing some time ago. It's amazing what good design can do to encourage good behaviour.</p><p>Thanks for that.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> The motorists give way.</q></p><p>That'll work in New Zealand.</p>
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						<p><q>Youtube is blocked.</q></p><p>Oh!  Well here is a screen capture to give you the idea.  The cyclists don't stop or pause, or even signal, they just go.  The motorists give way.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>a video on well-designed roundabouts in, I believe, the Netherlands. No barriers, no controls, just roundabouts set up so that it’s clear to all road users that it’s a shared space,</em></p><p>here’s one:</q></p><p>How lovely. I just sort of zoned out watching the flow for a while there.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 14:02:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>See how the cyclists whizz on through and the motorists politely give way! </q></p><p>[sigh] No. Youtube is blocked. I just tried some fancy Firefox add on that was supposed to help me sneak around the Great Firewall, and it didn't work. But it certainly sounds like the kind of video…</p>
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						<p><q> a video on well-designed roundabouts in, I believe, the Netherlands. No barriers, no controls, just roundabouts set up so that it’s clear to all road users that it’s a shared space,</q></p><p>here’s one:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEXD0guLQY0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEXD0guLQY0</a></p><p>See how the cyclists whizz on through and the motorists politely give way! </p><p>Compare and contrast…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 13:18:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q> what’s wrong with roundabouts</q></p><p>I seem to remember watching a video on well-designed roundabouts in, I believe, the Netherlands. No barriers, no controls, just roundabouts set up so that it's clear to all road users that it's a shared space, and everybody driving with respect for that fact, and it…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>But also lean over and push the pedestrian crossing button that way you stop the cars going across in front of you.</q></p><p>Now that is a great way to induce road rage in the average Auckland driver. I don't even like it when pedestrians use them, they are usually well…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:15:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<q>And sorry Auckland, but you’re just going to have to adapt to a lot more high density housing. Gazillions of people round the world cope perfectly well with raising families in apartment blocks, no reason why Kiwis can’t, too. (full hypocrsiy disclosure: Part of the appeal of moving back to…</q>
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						<p><q>But also lean over and push the pedestrian crossing button that way you stop the cars going across in front of you.</q></p><p>As someone who doesn't cycle much but walks a lot, I was also about to ask about that before I noticed this.  Would there be a strategically practical…</p>
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						The Standard notes another graph about <a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/mot-reveals-massive-budget-shortfall-from-peak-oil/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">peak oil implications</a> from the Ministerial briefing document.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>And sorry Auckland, but you're just going to have to adapt to a lot more high density housing.</q></p><p>Land use planning is tightly tied to transport, hence several govt departments advising during the Supercity transition against splitting transport into a separate organisation &ndash; which this govt is making even less…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:57:37 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Seems at least partly relevant to the discussion</q></p><p>That's the Herald's version of the Transport Blog article I linked earlier. If we spend most govt funding on building more highways, there isn't enough money left for building more and better public transport. This is not accidental.</p><p><q>Auckland was expected to…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:53:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Fooman</title>
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						<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=QSiBVTtrS1w" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=QSiBVTtrS1w</a>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> the metal sensors are. If you align your tyres along one of those lines</q></p><p>Unless you have a carbon fibre and plastic bike</p><p>But also lean over and push the pedestrian crossing button that way you stop the cars going across in front of you.</p>
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				<title>stever@cs.waikato.ac.nz</title>
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						<p>Ditto. </p><p>Well, usually. </p><p>But more sensitive detectors would be good!</p>
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				<title>Jake Pollock</title>
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						<a href="http://cyclingauckland.co.nz/general/2011/03/how-to-fool-traffic-signals-and-the-like-into-thinking-your-bike-is-a-car/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Here's the link.</a>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10783096" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Seems at least partly relevant to the discussion</a>. But my first reaction was:</p><p>So bloody invest a lot more in cycling and public transport!</p><p>Then I thought, well, a few cities around the world have experimented with congestion charges, so why not Auckland? And I do believe similar ideas have been…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Chris, you forgot to mention that the Chinese tend to cycle at a sedate pace</q></p><p>Well, true. They also tend to walk sedately. And also that many Chinese cities are fairly flat. I've never been there myself, but I hear cycling is unusually rare in Chongqing because the city is…</p>
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				<title>Richard Grevers</title>
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						<p>Chris, you forgot to mention that the Chinese tend to cycle at a sedate pace (still 3-4 x walking speed). According to the Vales' <em>Time to Eat the Dog</em>, "Chinese Cycling" is the most energy-efficient mode of transport in existence &ndash; and you don't overheat.</p><p>On my route home when…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p>Thank you. I'll be alright.</p><p>Would've been nice to get some sleep earlier, though, that's the best fix for a migraine. But as I was lying there wishing I could get to sleep, I thought about your comment earlier about turning the cellphone off, and remembered a strange ad I…</p>
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