Public Address | Cafe | Hard News: Splore 2019 – Please Don't F*ck This Up Part 2: The Reeferendum

BenWilson

Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:41:23 +1200

True, I wonder what all those hippies are doing now?

Probably hard to generalize, other than they are all certainly very much older than they used to be.

Craig Young

Mon, 08 Apr 2019 11:06:57 +1200

Will the legislation in question be a conscience vote (subject to referendum approval)? Because I can see some libertarian Nats voting for reform and some Labour social conservatives voting against it.

andin

Sun, 07 Apr 2019 12:54:48 +1200

hippies on Waiheke

That would have been pre-gentification Waiheke. Its very up market now.

andin

Sun, 07 Apr 2019 09:34:57 +1200

half the population has to be convinced,

To quote Harry Anslinger apparently "Ive made up my mind dont try and confuse me with facts"
If you dont know who Anslinger is watch this, starts off with a harrowing account of the persecution of Billie Holiday and carries on. I found…

Sacha

Fri, 05 Apr 2019 15:47:42 +1300

Yes, and smart leaders like Chlöe sure help with that.

Russell Brown

Fri, 05 Apr 2019 13:04:23 +1300

So its important politically, for it to be elegant and able to be owned by ordinary people. ie: don’t fuck it up by getting too clever.

Yes. The medicinal cannabis legislation is basically okay – the regulations it enables seem to be taking a good shape – but if you…

Sacha

Thu, 04 Apr 2019 19:14:46 +1300

The real meat is in the drafting of the Act itself and National are idiots to not want to join in on that.

They will prefer clean hands, to help wreck the law at their next opportunity in power. Booze barons will donate handsomely.

Sacha

Thu, 04 Apr 2019 19:13:00 +1300

There’s the notion of a citizen’s jury, which is what happened in Ireland around the abortion referendum. But what I think could work, and this is just an idea, it’s obviously not set in stone, is to have a specialist select committee that works on it.

I believe Chlöe is…

BenWilson

Thu, 04 Apr 2019 17:07:55 +1300

Why wouldn’t they?

It is possible, occasionally, as with guns, for bipartisan action in the common good to happen. I still like to think National is capable of it, but their current leadership is showing no aptitude, except in the face of something that is a complete no-brainer like gun…

Nick Russell

Thu, 04 Apr 2019 17:01:10 +1300

I think there is very little prospect of the Bill or the referendum being debated in the same sort of bipartisan spirit we have seen on gun control this week. Politicians are gonna do politics with this. Why wouldn't they? It's a Green Party initiative which Labour has agreed to…

BenWilson

Thu, 04 Apr 2019 13:39:27 +1300

Given what Chloe has said here, the question of the referendum is not really particularly difficult: "Would you like to see the Legalise and Regulate Cannabis Act become law?" or some such wording. The real meat is in the drafting of the Act itself and National are idiots to not…

Russell Brown

Thu, 04 Apr 2019 12:22:24 +1300

So I went and talked to him and Paula this week, and I got the impression that they really don't care too much about the legislation, they just want to play politics with it. So that was a bit gutting.

It also seems worth noting that when Paula Bennett asked…

Public Address

Thu, 04 Apr 2019 12:22:24 +1300

Discussion from blog post.