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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>What's he on?</strong>*<br /><q>Does anyone know when John key was last on Checkpoint?</q><br />"Wellington is a dead city"<br />"Solid Energy is a broken company"<br />Well he could appear on Morning Report as the bird of the day:<br />&ndash; The Albatross... hanging around all our necks!</p><p>*he's on the same Kool…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 19:01:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>hamishm</title>
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						Does anyone know when John key was last on Checkpoint? I assume that he has been on this year.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 18:32:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						<q> I just wish that for all you down there, your home, roads, sewer and land were considered more important than a friggin "community" convention centre but as is consistent with other National significant projects, I doubt it.</q>Sofie, I could live with what is being planned for my  home if it…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 20:14:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Apropos of my usual subject, Christchurch (I can hear you groan but I’ll be brief),</q></p><p>What is this groan that you mention? I just wish that for all you down there, your home, roads, sewer and land were considered more important than a friggin "community" convention centre but as is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 11:54:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						<p>Apropos of my usual subject, Christchurch (I can hear you groan but I'll be brief), I reckon we could get a similar jiggery-pokery deal set up for our unwanted mega-convention centre that ratepayers are being threatened with. </p><p>It is a  sore point with many down here that the government has…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 19:37:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Besides, you’d get shot for taking your golf cart onto 1 of the greens.</q></p><p>Excellent point.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 19:21:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Graham Dunster</title>
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						<p>Oh that's all right then, I guess climate change is cancelled.</p><p>See you on the ark.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 18:39:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>Pretty much hitting the nail on the head &ndash; IMO</p><p><q>Whoope-de-do. The new convention centre will be bland dreary shite, supported by the casino monopoly granted to Skycity. </p><p>As long as no political party is talking about stripping the monopoly from Skycity, it is all political BS. </q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 18:44:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>It’s yet another symptom of the nation being run from a golf cart on a country club green, instead of Parliament.</q></p><p>Me &amp; my golf buddies reject your portrayal of golf.  None of us would run the country in as authoritarian and right-of-centre manner.</p><p>Besides, you'd get shot for taking your…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 15:19:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>Isn't politics wonderful.</p><p>Skycity is the highly visible face of gambling.  Skycity is a crony corporation that has been cronying up successfully to governments since its conception.  It is a state granted monopoly that runs a typically monopolistic enterprise &ndash; a cavernous, dreary and disappointing service.  And it has been…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 12:45:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>On a large scale convention centre</q></p><p>I don't think many people would disagree that a convention centre would probably be of benefit to NZ and Auckland in particular. It's possible to stuff it up and it's also worth noting that NZ is a long way from the rest of the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 11:42:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> the extent of problem gambling</q></p><p>You're right there is a long history of gambling in NZ. I paid for my degrees by working at the races selling tickets to punters. But there appears to be a specific problem with pokie machines. They have been designed specifically to stimulate and reward…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 11:31:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						I am with Ian:  be not in haste.  We need both Islander and Sacha here, to brighten our online world.    I have a sense that PAS is in a bit of a trough at the moment, so it needs all the contributions it can gather.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 11:18:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>So long, and thanks for all the bones...</strong><br /><q>byebye to all the people I enjoyed interacting with...</q><br />Islander, the story above is for you.<br />Sorry to see you leave, I know the feeling and have been there before. I always end up coming back though, it is after all my…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 11:04:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Do you see what I see?</strong><br />Out on the edge of darkness, <br />looking in towards… </p><p><strong>A town cauldron</strong>*<br />As soon as you come over the Bombay Hills you can’t miss it, seething and hissing on the plain below, I pulled over to watch this portentous sky, as the 2013 Budget…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 10:46:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Sorry to see Islander wants to go. One of the things I have generally liked about PA is that dissenting views are usually welcomed.</p><p>On the convention centre debate, I think there are a number of issues. </p><p>On problem gambling, I would be interested to see any available data which…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 10:21:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Mackie Bruce</title>
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						The CCA decision could have been appealed by the DIA or whatever government department was overseeing the Casino Control Act under ministerial instruction or sanction &ndash; maybe it was the Ministry of Commerce as casinos were first pursued and  introduced in NZ by a Labour administration as an economic driver.…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 00:26:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Mackie Bruce</title>
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						<p>Russell, presumably there is hansard or policy manifesto references to the Casino Control Authority approval of the existing convention centre and being the rationale for the Gambling Act?</p><p>The absence of references would seem to suggest bias and/or spin.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 23:47:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Sacha – that is a crude response and belittles you -will not continue any engagement with you ever again.</p><p>In fact, given the sway of this site, wont ever come back.<br />Bad cess to those huddling wee – closed minds.<br />Thanks Russell, for being-<br />byebye to all the people I…</p>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p><q>Ta.</q></p><p>The problem, IMHO only occurs, if the name calling takes place instead of advancing an opinion, position or argument &ndash; then it is purely a personal attack and unreasonable.</p><p>I find the &ndash;  <q>ARE MUCH MORE FUCKING CULPABLE</q> closes things off as a measure of culpability and is unwarranted…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						Could we knock off the name-calling slightly? By which I mean, completely and always, starting about now-ish? Ta.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>It is possible that more than one thing can be bad</q></p><p>you'd think</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Do some learning about problem gambling and suicide, you silly old woman.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 20:27:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						It is possible that more than one thing can be bad.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 18:02:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>I’d caution anyone with little experience of problem gambling against minimising its impact.</q><br />a) Dear Sacha know-all &ndash; you might notice I didnt mention my friends?<br />     for the very good reason that 2 of my friends (NOT family) are problem gamblers, and have done harmful &amp; hateful things to their friends…</p>
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				<title>bronwyn</title>
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						It's not quite correct to say only Sky City can cope with conference groups of 400+ &ndash; the new Viaduct Events Centre, the Aotea Centre, Auckland Showgrounds, and Vector could all easily accomodate a group of that size. There's also a lot of other spaces such as churches and school…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						what's the Italian for rickroll?
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><q>Well aren’t you going to kill a lot of internet discussions with that sort of attitude.</q></p><p>I hope so.</p><p>ETA:</p><p>Giovanni Tiso has come up with <a href="http://bat-bean-beam.blogspot.co.nz/2013/05/a-theoretical-critique-of-and-practical.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a practical solution to this problem</a>.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						Well aren't you going to kill a lot of internet discussions with that sort of attitude.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 09:22:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q> Helping Corporates help themselves whilst <strong>bearing “their” buttocks</strong> at democracy.</q><br />Oh that we had, handed them their ass, and sent 'em packing!<br />:-  )</p><p><q> the Christchurch rebuild ... the third winter out of sorts and with out a settlement or certainty for many people – a matter of priority?</q><br />Not…</p>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						There are so many things that Auckland needs more than this &ndash; odds on the Con Centre will be completed well before the Christchurch rebuild seriously makes in roads &ndash; is it the third winter out of sorts and with out a settlement or certainty for many people &ndash; a…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 22:28:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I'd caution anyone with little experience of problem gambling against minimising its impact.
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						<p>The Sky City Deal &ndash; Helping Corporates help themselves whilst bearing "their" buttocks at democracy.</p><p>There are a lot of things that a government can do in the pursuit of economic growth, jobs and the well being of the nation &ndash; in the long run this "deal" is not one…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>Yes, good analogy. If you get caught drinking and driving you lose your right to drive for a time. No such thing happens with disastrous life-wrecking gambling.</q></p><p>Except a drunk driver can kill other road users...</p><p>"disasterous life-wrecking gambling" is emphatically harmful but seldom results in death,</p><p>I buy Lotto…</p>
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				<title>Gabor Toth</title>
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						I've probably entered the Auckland casino about a dozen times since it opened. If I'm visiting Auckland and happen to have some spare time while in the CBD, I find it a curious and weirdly interesting place to drop into and look around. The only gambling I have ever done…
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						The costs no doubt will be borne by society. But the usual suspects, of course, will keep insisting that it won't be a problem because there’s no such thing as society.
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>Premature 400 PPM fail-a-bration</q></p><p>Gosh...who would have "predicted" that happening. Wow!! it will head down for the next 6 months.....proof CO2 is dropping..... </p><p>Sorry. 400ppm will be reached on the next cycle and will probably drop below it for a few cycles and then......whoa..... it will stay above 400pmm…</p>
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				<title>Peter Shaw</title>
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						<p>Errrr, maybe a bit premature...<br />Premature 400 PPM fail-a-bration<br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/c33wq4f" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://tinyurl.com/c33wq4f</a><br />-P.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Bars will kick out people who are too intoxicated. But the casino will only kick you out when you are actually cleaned out. Or if you win too much.
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						Or like relying on the landlord to enforce liquor laws, but then saying we'll only review your licence in 35 years.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Yes, good analogy. If you get caught drinking and driving you lose your right to drive for a time. No such thing happens with disastrous life-wrecking gambling.
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				<title>Stephen Doyle</title>
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						It's like drinking and driving, and giving the drinker the OK to drive as long as they feel up to it. "Yep, despite 12 whiskies, a bottle of red, n a couple of beers, I'm fine"
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>She’s a fairly respected expert. Try finding one who *hasn’t* had an interested party as a client (legal academics, I guess). </q></p><p>Quite. Lawyers have clients in their areas of expertise. I can't even see where there's a relevant conflict, tbh.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						She's a fairly respected expert. Try finding one who *hasn't* had an interested party as a client (legal academics, I guess). Also, it's a clear and ancient principle of parliamentary sovereignty that a government can't bind its successors.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 10:32:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ianmac</title>
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						<p>Thank goodness there is serious discussion/information here. Mai Chen is right but this Government seems able to just trash the existing laws and plow on regardless untouched by human hands. <br />I despise the line that "this Government publicised the plan before the election, they won so they have a mandate.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 10:23:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Call their bluff, <a href="http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2013/05/14/or-your-money-back/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">says Danyl</a>.</p><p><q>How about stringent pro-worker labour laws where trade unions get paid massive compensations if a subsequent government changes them? Or environmental policies with multi-billion dollar pay-outs to Greenpeace if a future National government wants to open new coal mines or offshore oil platforms?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 10:14:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>all hail our betters...</strong><br /><q>...to spot people who have already revealed themselves as having a gambling problem in the worst possibly way.</q><br />John Key does seem to sweat alot, maybe he's worried the country will notice he is gaming the system and gambling away our country's future, for a short…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 10:04:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>The Herald editorial <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10883411" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">seems to get it</a></p><p><q> The deal includes, first, a predictive modelling tool that analyses data to identify players at risk of problem gambling. To be of use, that will have to be acted on effectively. Secondly, under a voluntary pre-commitment system, pokie players can elect to restrict the…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 09:40:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>appall hangs over this…</strong><br /><q>“I’ll give you a theoretical example.”</q><br />He actually said ‘hypothetical’ – but I spat my tea across the room nonetheless.<br />(Joyce is strong on hype but weak on theory...)<br />Listen here: [[http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ckpt/ckpt-20130513-1711-government_seals_convention_centre_deal_with_skycity-048.mp3|Steven Joyce puts the boot into Ak Rail Loop and Greens, just because he can…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Joyce has now confirmed in interviews that the 230 is a negotiated figure</q></p><p>Last night Mary Wilson had an interesting interview with the Aussie dude who heads Sky City. 230 was a political number, symbolically no more than the number agreed under the Clark government. However, it was clear that…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Listening to the NatRad replay on the affair, Prostetnic Vogon Joyce resorted to insisting black is white when he claimed future Govts are liable to compensate SkyCity if they tear up the deal. When Mary Wilson asked him for an actual real life example, he changed the subject.</q></p><p>"Give me…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Mai Chen subsequently called bullshit on the liability clause, saying compensation can only happen with 75% Parliamentary entrenchment.</q></p><p>And she may be right, but I wish National Radio would find a "constitutional expert" whose name isn't above the door of a firm of lawyers with a long roster of public…</p>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						<p>Just out of interest, here is the link to an Australian study that suggests ~ 40% of pokie revenue comes from gambling addicts, even though they form only a small percentage of the gambling population.  This appears to be the study used by the Problem Gambling Foundation.  </p><p><a href="http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/95691/08-chapter5.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/95691/08-chapter5.pdf</a></p><p>Fascinating discussion…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>New Zealand Foist...</strong><br /><q>I think there is a need for a large convention centre. I went to a conference recently , 400 people from NZ , Sky City was the only conference center in NZ they could get that could deal with that number.</q><br />3,500 is a looong way from…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 23:32:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Listening to the <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2554894/skycity-will-operate-more-pokies-in-convention-centre-deal.asx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NatRad replay</a> on the affair, <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2554895/government-seals-convention-centre-deal-with-skycity.asx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Prostetnic Vogon Joyce resorted to insisting black is white</a> when he claimed future Govts are liable to compensate SkyCity if they tear up the deal. When Mary Wilson asked him for an actual real life example, he changed the subject.</p><p>Mai Chen…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe 230 is the level at which you get a good bulk purchasing discount? Or that will fit in a certain area of casino floor that will be made available?</q></p><p>Joyce has now confirmed in interviews that the 230 is a negotiated figure, not a logistical one. Even claimed credit…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 21:18:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Christopher Nimmo</title>
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						Perhaps because casino licensing is a moral/social issue and the public often likes to have some chance of influencing such matters?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 21:07:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<q>An additional 40 gaming tables (based on current average opportunities to game), together with a further 12 gaming tables with the ability, in respect of each of those 12  gaming tables, to substitute each table for the right to operate 20 fully Automated Table  Game Player Stations (but which are…</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 20:58:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Swan</title>
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						I see.   So we had an arms length authority to deal with casino licensing etc, and Labour politicised it.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 20:40:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Doyle</title>
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						<p>I am appalled. The damage casinos do to our society is immense. The fact that a government can do this is beyond belief.<br />New Zealand is truly for sale.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Public transport, education, healthcare, sewers, that kind of thing.</p><p>I don't see how facilitating people to practice holding a plate and a glass of cheap wine one-handed while swapping business cards is essential infrastructure.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Does anyone know exactly where this will be located? I read conjecture about the TVNZ site being required and TVNZ knowing nothing about it but this seems unlikely surely.</q></p><p>It <em>seems</em> unlikely. But TVNZ's building was on the table long before the TVNZ board read about it in the paper.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>Graham,</p><p>The ETS schemes of Europe are non-robust and unworkable.  They fail because their authors ask too much of other people and do not ask enough of themselves.  </p><p>The biggest threat to the planet is unchecked consumerism, the readers of Monbiot are almost all first world consumers.  An ETS deflects…</p>
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						It’s yet another symptom of the nation being run from a golf cart on a country club green, instead of Parliament.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 17:35:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Eediot</title>
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						Does anyone know exactly where this will be located? I read conjecture about the TVNZ site being required and TVNZ knowing nothing about it but this seems unlikely surely.
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>Hmmm...This what the herald says they get with the 12 extra gaming tables:<br /><q>* An additional 40 gaming tables<br />* A further 12 gaming tables that can be substituted for automated table game player stations (but not pokie machines)</q></p><p>I read that as 1 table = 1 substitute Auto Goodie.…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> Ministers can’t <strong>legally</strong> just tell it what to do.</q></p><p>Fixed</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Which was a good thing. It would have been better if they had acted to force the authority to delay the decision until it could be reconsidered by government, but they didn’t.</q></p><p>Because they couldn't. The CCA is a quasi-judicial body that acts under statute. Ministers can't just tell it…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe 230 is the level at which you get a good bulk purchasing discount? Or that will fit in a certain area of casino floor that will be made available?</q></p><p>I think my explanation is considerably more likely.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> they presented a bill within six months of the CCA decision</q></p><p>Which was a good thing. It would have been better if they had acted to force the authority to delay the decision until it could be reconsidered by government, but they didn't. As a result that decision was made…</p>
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				<title>slarty</title>
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						Some firms can't work here because we have quaint old-fashioned beliefs such as requiring businesses to pay tax. Our almost unique general anti-avoidance provision fends off <a href="https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/pages/ikea_tax_dodge" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">firms that have been said to be a bit aggressive in such areas</a>...
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				<title>James W</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe 230 is the level at which you get a good bulk purchasing discount? Or that will fit in a certain area of casino floor that will be made available?</q></p><p>And I'll gladly accept any evidence of either of those answers. But for now it seems a bit suspect.</p>
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				<title>Graham Dunster</title>
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						<p>The Guardian noticed and George Monbiot's blog has some thoughts. "It is symbolic of our failure to put the long-term prospects of the natural world and the people it supports above immediate self-interest." That's what connects this to the SkyCity idiocy. IMHO.</p><p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2013/may/10/carbon-dioxide-milestone-climate-change" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2013/may/10/carbon-dioxide-milestone-climate-change</a></p>
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				<title>Graham Dunster</title>
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						<p>Yet another example of how the market rules only when assisted by the state. Ideology has its place but sticks in the craw when it is only ever used for private enrichment.</p><p>Anyone notice that the 400ppm reading happened the other day? Thought not.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> the conference organizers had to accept their price </q></p><p>And this new facility helps how?</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						The provision that allows SkyCity to sue for compensation if gambling legislation changes in 35 YEARS time is the most outrageous. Doesn't bode well for this Government's TPPA stance does it?
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						<p><q>I hate the bloody things – and I’ve had one friend become addicted to them. It’s a disturbing thing to witness.</q></p><p>Addiction of any kind is worrisome, but the outcome of a gambling addiction is particularly severe. Because the illusion is that you can actually win back money lost, it…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>It’s also weirdly beside the point if you believe, as a non-trivial number of people do, that any pokie machines are a very bad thing on almost any imaginable grounds no matter how, or when, or even where, they arrived.</q></p><p>I hate the bloody things – and I’ve had one…</p>
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				<title>Tim Darlington</title>
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						<p><q>If a commercial enterprise is genuinely viable, then it should be able to happen at a profit within our existing legal framework.</q></p><p>Public transport, for example?  Seriously, don't go there &ndash; there's an endless range of publicly owned or subsidised commercial activity that most of us wouldn't want to do…</p>
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						<p><q>I do. If a commercial enterprise is genuinely viable, then it should be able to happen at a profit within our existing legal framework. If it requires taxpayer funding and legal facilitation it isn't viable.</q></p><p>Not sure about that. It could be viable to be handed a business, even if…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>So they 230 number was arrived at purely to match Labour’s number? </q></p><p>Maybe 230 is the level at which you get a good bulk purchasing discount? Or that will fit in a certain area of casino floor that will be made available?</p>
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						I think there is a need for a large convention centre. I went to a conference recently , 400 people from NZ , Sky City was the only conference center in NZ they could get that could deal with that number. Trouble is because they are the only ones the…
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						So they 230 number was arrived at purely to match Labour's number? That smacks of politicians who are only interested in point-scoring against the opposition and not in the interests of the public or the country.
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						<p><q>I don't doubt the economic value of a big, high-quality convention centre</q></p><p>I do. If a commercial enterprise is genuinely viable, then it should be able to happen at a profit within our existing legal framework. If it requires taxpayer funding and legal facilitation it isn't viable.</p><p>We don't have…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>The trouble with this line is that it’s bullshit. Yes, the numbers are the same – but they were achieved by wholly different means.</q></p><p>It’s also weirdly beside the point if you believe, as a non-trivial number of people do, that any pokie machines are a very bad thing on…</p>
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						<p>To me the numbers dont add up<br /> . They got 230 poker machines last time, which they dont have to give back, when the smaller convention center is    subsumed by the new one.</p><p>So the  actual number of machines for the new larger centre is 560</p>
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						<p>The truly sad thing about this whole sordid story &ndash; from the original deal to the unabashed spin being delivered now &ndash; is that it was all entirely predictable.</p><p>For this particular government nothing matters but doing the big deal. That isn't a comment about The National Party it's about…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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