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				<title>john  Drinnan</title>
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						Soper would need to be confident it was provable in a defamation action &ndash; if it were not true damages might be large
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						That's possibly one of the bolder admissions of cyber stalking you're ever likely to hear.
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>This is common practice; social media is a good tool for research.</q></p><p>Lets see what Face Like a Book says.......Mary Citizen.......in relationship with......ooooo I like researching......</p><p>Message to any WINZ target: Why not start imagining relationships with....um....interesting people. </p><p>Hmmm.. So it did not take very long to get from MSD…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>From the <a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/linkedin-trail-leads-bennetts-office-%E2%80%93-ng" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">article</a> linked in the story... <q>after Mr Bailey called the Ministry of Social Development a second time last week, his LinkedIn profile was checked out by Holly Ford – a member of Ms Bennett’s staff.</p><p>LinkedIn's default settings mean that if you have a free account, others can…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:32:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>rodgerd</title>
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						<p><q>I would add that Ira Bailey &mdash; and possibly Keith Ng &mdash; knows the names of those who viewed his Linked In profile. That would be interesting. It would not prove anything, but....</q></p><p>Not necessarily.  If you don't have someone in your web of contacts, you don't get to see…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:52:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>It is momentarily interesting offshore.</q></p><p>The one thing that's apparently not interesting offshore is Ira Bailey's past associations &ndash; in Charles Anderson's <a href="http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/17/anger-in-new-zealand-over-leaky-government-computers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">post</a> on the New York Times blogs, he's just "an information technology administrator". If only some locals could just let him be what he is.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:46:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:42:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>My current thinking is that I don't think I could go ohm in a Volt. I just cannot trust newsreaders, sports preseenters and weathermen(?) anymore.....</p><p><a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/The-Volt-electric-car-coming-to-NZ/tabid/372/articleID/272689/Default.aspx " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> "Our" own Neil Waka</a>.......30 seconds in. Move jobs...to the dark side.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>Winz is for sale?</q></p><p>Bet the asking price really dropped in the past week.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:47:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>take me to your Leader (writer)</strong><br /><q>...the sort of pseudo-anonymity... </q><br />...given to Editorial writers...<br />they can get to write the most alarming tosh!</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Does that exclude the sort of pseudo-anonymity implied by: a senior state department official or that old standby White House sources?</q></p><p>I’d broadly agree with Hoyt – <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/opinion/29pubed.html?ref=anonymoussources&amp;pagewanted=all" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a lot less often than is the case</a>.  It’s simply absurd to see senior public servants and <em>press secretaries</em> demanding, let alone receiving, anonymity…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Does that exclude the sort of pseudo-anonymity implied by: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/world/middleeast/white-house-move-to-give-egypt-450-million-in-aid-meets-resistance.html?_r=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a senior state department official</a> or that old standby <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/02/22/22climatewire-obama-mounts-a-last-ditch-attempt-to-pass-a-15868.html?pagewanted=all" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">White House sources</a>?</p><p>I believe that's always a press secretary, speaking with the approval of their employer, but with neither wishing to be fully accountable for the statement.</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>social activists out there kicking the winz tyres</q><br />Winz is <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tyre%20kicker" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">for sale?</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:51:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						The whole thing is a distraction given oxygen by the fact that there seems to be a very small pool of social activists out there kicking the winz tyres.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>And get back to me the next time <em>The Herald</em> runs a completely bullshit  non-story/hit piece with not an on the record source to be seen, and ask yourself two questions:</p><p>1) Was there any genuine public interest or journalistic defense for that anonymity?</p><p>2) And do you think the…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>If you can’t see the difference between that and this from the policy you cited</q></p><p>Really, Sacha &ndash; premature elision there.  Because after the cut the quote continued...</p><p><q> to arrive at phrasing that will tell the reader as much as possible **about the placement and motivation of the source –…</q></p>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						Ok I exaggerated. It is momentarily interesting offshore. If  major effects of the breach are found, that would run too. Otherwise it is really a special-interest story: for computer people especially, and those interested in government information-security.  It's just not that "newsy", more specialist interest, to media not in Australasia.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						And since I extensively quoted the <em>New York Times</em>' own policy on confidential news sources, it's only fair to note that policy was codified in the wake of the Jayson Blair scandal.  Even ever years later, 'public editor' Clark Hoyt had some rather sharp words for his own employers in…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I'm not saying granting a source anonymity is never, ever justified.</q></p><p>You said:</p><p><q>You can speak truth to power, <strong>or</strong> you can choose to pimp your credibility for access</q></p><p>If you can't see the difference between that and this from the policy you cited:</p><p><q>Whenever anonymity is granted, it should…</q></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t know if that’s true; in fact, I think it would have played out the same way. Say it had been a Fairfax journalist who broke the original story – why would Claire hold back from investigating her tip-off about Ira? </q></p><p>I can't help but think that the Herald…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>If the world were actually that black or white, we wouldn’t have any ethical struggles.</q></p><p>That’s nudging awfully close to a man-splain there, Sacha.  I’ll just say I sleep perfectly well after deciding (with the full support of my editor) that I wasn’t going to be used by a local…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						How does this stack up against similar Governmental screwups in other countries, are we now leading the world?
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>To a journalist anywhere else in the world, who gives about the whole saga.</q></p><p>A major security failing at a major government department is newsworthy anywhere in the world. There's been coverage of this in Australian media (and not just the republication of my doom prophesy, either), as well as…</p>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						<q>(And it is arguable as to whether Ira's involvement was newsworthy</q>To  any New Zealand journalist it is, no contest. To a journalist anywhere else in the world, who gives about the whole saga.
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<p>Graeme Edgeler wrote :<br /><q>   Keith’s responsibility [is] to protect his source. Claire’s responsibility [is] to protect hers, but if others find out, and it’s newsworthy, they’re free to publish it.<br /></q></p><p>Yes, but I think it is my responsibility to call them on it as unethical behaviour.</p><p>(And it is arguable…</p>
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						<p><q>Keith's responsibility to protect his source. Claire's responsibility to protect hers, but if others find out, and it's newsworthy, they're free to publish it.</q>Exactly.</p><p>I would add that Ira Bailey &mdash; and possibly Keith Ng &mdash; knows the names of those who viewed his Linked In profile. That would be…</p>
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						<q>I don't know if that's true; in fact, I think it would have played out the same way. Say it had been a Fairfax journalist who broke the original story &ndash; why would Claire hold back from investigating her tip-off about Ira? If leaking his name was a ploy by…</q>
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				<title>Kate Newton</title>
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						<p><q>If the issue had been leaked direct to the Herald or Fairfax (as if the usual journo’s there would have the geeky competence to investigate as Keith did), the original source might never have been released short of a totally open Ministerial or MSD press release.</q></p><p>I don't know if…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>used for irrelevant smears and diversions, along with him having been one of the un-prosecuted Urewera 17 (nothing to do with MSD's security leak)</q></p><p>Quite skillful use of associations by the spinmeisters, though, don't you think? Taps nicely into that broader discourse about risk and power, and trade-offs between public…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>But, sorry, I still don’t think credible and ethical news organizations get to have it both ways. You can speak truth to power, or you can choose to pimp your credibility for access and play along with a political strategy to discredit a political embarrassment.</q></p><p>If the world were actually…</p>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>But if you're given the name, you have to justify not printing it.</q></p><p>True, but I'm still convinced that if Ira had gone to a bigger outlet from the beginning, it'd be much less likely we'd have learned his name.  Would it not be easy to justify not printing it…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Keith’s responsibility to protect his source. Claire’s responsibility to protect hers, but if others find out, and it’s newsworthy, they’re free to publish it.</q></p><p>Yep.</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>I think it is unforgivable to use a confidential source to give away the confidential source of another journalist.</q></p><p>The name of someone leaking information is newsworthy. Ira Bailley's role in this is also newsworthy.</p><p>If someone in, for example, Radio NZ found proof that someone in the Minister's Office…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Seems to me the purpose of the leak was to distract from the real issue – ie why was MSD so woefully incompetent and at what level did this incompetence go to.</q></p><p>Well, two points:</p><p>1) It is possible for even the tiniest prole brain to think/care/get enormously fucked off…</p>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<p><q>But did she have to print it ?</q></p><p>She didn't have to print it, but if she got it on the understanding that she'd protect her source, she has to do that. </p><p>Once you decide Ira's name is part of the story, and you have it, if you make the…</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p>Seems to me the purpose of the leak was to distract from the real issue &ndash; ie why was MSD so woefully incompetent and at what level did this incompetence go to. </p><p>Seems to me the distraction is still working.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>So, no, I don’t think Trevett or the Herald have it in for Keith. It’s just the dance.</q></p><p>Of course, part of the dance can be saying “well, I’m not going to run this unless you’re willing to go on the record and fully attributable” – which journalists do all…</p>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<p><q>But if you're given the name, you have to justify not printing it</q></p><p>But did she have to print it ?  If she felt she had to, in order to ensure that she got future tip offs, then she is no longer acting as a journalist, and is merely acting…</p>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>Bennett’s disinclination to get to the bottom of it</q></p><p>Imperator Fish has a nice piece: <a href="http://www.imperatorfish.com/2012/10/a-day-in-life-of-paula-bennett.html?spref=tw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A Day in the Life of Paula Bennett</a></p><p><q>I assured the media today that I have not seen anyone in this government taking a cavalier attitude towards the privacy of others. It's why I had…</q></p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>The part about not wanting to ask her staff directly sounds awfully familiar</q></p><p>Yes, it's become a National standard.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>To me this seems like the bigger media outlets getting back at a blogger because he beat them to breaking a major story.</q></p><p>But if you're given the name, you have to justify <em>not</em> printing it. And if you spit the dummy and say it came from (let's say) the…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Quite possibly. It’s also perfectly possible Trevett’s source was in Paula Bennett’s office, and her (admittedly less unequivocal) denial was equally in good faith. </q></p><p>That seems considerably more likely than the source being the ministry, given Boyle's comprehensive denial, Bennett's disinclination to get to the bottom of it and the…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>her (admittedly less unequivocal) denial</q></p><p>Kind of revealing, some might say. The part about not wanting to ask her staff directly sounds awfully familiar.. <em>coughjohnbankscough</em></p>
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>But either way, I still think it's a matter of legitimate public interest to know where this came from, because I'm personally not cool with politically motivated smears being waved off with "we don't disclose our sources.</q></p><p>To me this seems like the bigger media outlets getting back at a…</p>
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						Journalists have always had exemptions from usual transparency, in the broader public interest of finding out what's going on &ndash; not as if protecting sources is a new thing. Reducing that protection is. Should be an interesting show.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Claire Trevett is doing what she calculates she has to do to keep her political/govt sources sweet. </q></p><p>Fine, and the next time her employer wants to take the editorial high moral ground about political/public sector accountability and transparency (to paraphrase Julia Gillard) they should look in a mirror first.   </p><p><q>You’re…</q></p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Speaking of sources, what about Barry Soper's claim that the source of GCSB leaks to Shearer "has been revealed" as Fran Mold's partner? The only source I know of for that claim is Cameron Slater. It would be nice if Soper burnt his source on that one, if only because…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t see how he could possibly know for certain.</q></p><p>I'm naive enough to think when a very senior civil servant gets a heads up that a shit-storm is about to break over his ministry, he'd be on top of the response.  Then again, it seems nobody is accountable for…</p>
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						You're missing what seems a quite plausible explanation: the information provided to him by other staff wasn't correct, and he passed it on in good faith. That wouldn't be his comms staff either. And it takes a while for any new CEO to reach down enough in a big organisation…
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						Must be from the Minister's office; isn't Linked-In's record of viewing a lovely thing? The coincidence of timing is truly amazing-- Ira Bailey's talk to MSD then later in the week two viewings by the minsterial staffer. Which staffer?  The name  will be available.  And who was looking over their…
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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>But I could also note that if Claire Trevett's source was from within the MSD (and I've no evidence either way) then, <em>The Herald</em> knowingly published a pork pie from Brendan Boyle.</q></p><p>I don't see how he could possibly know for certain. Chances are there were many employees who knew…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Brendan Boyle, He sounds like a decent man.</q></p><p>By the name alone he sounds like an axe wielding madman from the  Gorbals whose very presence should be feared. But what is in a name ? a nose by any other name would smell.</p>
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				<title>Tristan</title>
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						<p>Wow Dot com super power of making shit stick to everyone else is still at full strength..</p><p><br />Claire 'everyone else but me' Trivett does the forth estate no favours by demanding they be allowed to keep their sources secret while gleefully printing them when they aren't their own.</p><p>At least…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Well, quite.  </p><p>If the story did come from within the MSD, either Boyle (who is the chief executive of a major ministry of state) is a mendacious bastard whose staff were cold-bloodedly prepared to “out” a political embarrassment, and lied about it with impunity.</p><p>Option B: He doesn’t have a…</p>
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						<p><q>a pork pie from Brendan Boyle</q></p><p>He sounds like a decent man. So where is his information coming from?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>There are good reasons for that to be case, even when it generates this kind of farce. If sources, even sources who aren’t necessarily noble actors, could not be assured of confidentiality, some forms of reporting would simply be impossible.</q></p><p>And that;s fair enough, as far as it goes.  But…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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