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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Had a look at mintshot yesterday. I *wish* it was tic-tac-toe you played for the minor prizes! </p><p>...</p><p>So it does indeed come down to who has the most time to waste.</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>And a high tolerance for mindlessness too ...</p></blockquote><p>Of course, if you pitch at an IT literate audience,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:19:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						too late to patent &ndash; the idea has already been published (actually I went and published it as soon as I had the idea I wanted it in the public domain and unencumbered by patents &ndash; I'm not quite the first person to have it either &ndash; there are variants…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:51:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>samuel walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>so when I get put on hold drop the connection into a mode where I can hang up, the exchange plays "I really want to talk to you press '*'" over and over again and when they do my phone rings again .... honestly we all need this</p></blockquote><p>im off…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:17:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Back to the OP Telecom screwed up when they named their ISP xtra<br />I forget how many bounced eMails I had before I realised that Extra wasn't Xtra, or vice versa and that's the price you pay for pretending to be "trendy" they are paying again now as many spam…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:59:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>dyan campbell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Please state your current location."</p><p>"Broadway."</p><p>"Please state your desired destination."</p><p>"Um, Broadway."</p><p>"I'm sorry, your current location and destination appear to match. Would you like to revise your travel plan?"</p><p>"Well, actually, I'm going from 3756 Broadway to 6736 Broadway. It makes sense &ndash; can I just talk to…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:51:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						Umm, Paul, we do have number portability &ndash; you can take your corporate 027 number and stick it on a vodafone account. It'll just confuse hell out of people trying to free text you...
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:18:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						NANP was killed by the cell phones, fax machines and modems &ndash; the need for numbers got big too fast &ndash; and the idea of 'long distance' is really an artifact of the pre-internet days (BTW local calling typically used to only be to some 3 digit prefixes of those…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:36:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						<blockquote>Best thing though is that it's open source &ndash; I can hack in anything I want &ndash; my plan is to add an 'on-hold' feature &ndash; basically it comes down to: "why should I be on hold, I have better things to do than to listen to inane music, why…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:32:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Why must you hate on the auldskool preppies, James? Without the penny, what would they put in their penny loafers?</p></blockquote><p>It's not so much that I hate auldskool preppies Jo, more that I hadn't heard of penny loafers. Now that wikipedia has enlightened me, I can point out that apparently…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:27:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Have you ever tried to tuck a dollar coin into a g-string?</p></blockquote><p><em>  ...My witty rejoinder has been deemed unsuitable for anything but a late night audience ...</em></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:58:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Have you ever tried to tuck a dollar coin into a g-string?</p></blockquote><p>If she ain't worth $5 she ain't worth anything!</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:51:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">North American Numbering Plan</a> is another example of what happens when you don't learn from global best practice.</p><p>When introduced, it was an elegant and effective system. 86 places (states and big cities) had 3 digit area codes which were used with 7 digit phone numbers. Calling within a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:50:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Americans believe that a $1 banknote is an essential part of a modern currency</p></blockquote><p>Ahhhh. Well it is. Have you ever tried to tuck a dollar coin into a g-string?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:47:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>All starts with the refusal of Americans to accept that $1 is not a reasonable denomination for a banknote.</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>I can't figure out what that sentence means. Too many negatives. Does not compute.</p></blockquote><p>Ok, I'll rephrase.</p><p>Americans believe that a $1 banknote is an essential part of a modern currency.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:34:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>so I have a phone exchange at home (based of the open source "Asterisk") &ndash; I kind of expect everyone to have some form of an exchange within 10 years (even if it's just their voicemail) as we all switch over to VOIP (Telecom's plan at least).</p><p>There's a number…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:20:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><em>I also really love that the steadfastly keep the penny, despite the fact that basically they're not accepted anywhere, unless you be arsed counting them out in a shop</em></p><p>They make excellent tips for poor service. Maybe that is their purpose, to insult.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:19:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						<blockquote><p>All starts with the refusal of Americans to accept that $1 is not a reasonable denomination for a banknote.</p></blockquote><p>I can't figure out what that sentence means. Too many negatives. Does not compute. I just know that my time in NYC was awash with dollar bills, because my friend I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:16:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>US payphones are remarkably difficult and confusing to use, relative to most other countries, and I think it revolves around weird things relating to area codes. Or something. Anyway, turns out its much easier to convince someone to lend you their cellphone.</p></blockquote><p>I don't know if it's changed, but when…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:16:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<p>So as of '06, apparently the US cent contained .8c of metal, but cost .6 cent to make. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_%28United_States_coin%29" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_%28United_States_coin%29</a></p><p>And there are groups both for and against the removal of paper dollars and pennies (based on respective commercial interests).<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_the_Greenback" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_the_Greenback</a><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_Coalition" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_Coalition</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:14:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						I also really love that the steadfastly keep the penny, despite the fact that basically they're not accepted anywhere, unless you be arsed counting them out in a shop. They must just about have more value as scrap.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:09:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>US payphones are remarkably difficult and confusing to use, relative to most other countries, and I think it revolves around weird things relating to area codes. Or something.</p></blockquote><p>All starts with the refusal of Americans to accept that $1 is not a reasonable denomination for a banknote.</p><p>Fortunately my Razr…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:25:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd had to go through an operator to work out how to use the pay phones (they need area codes, but there are no area codes posted anywhere around)</p></blockquote><p>US payphones are remarkably difficult and confusing to use, relative to most other countries, and I think it revolves around weird…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:11:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						When I was LAX and waiting for a connecting flight to JFK, I realised that I'd left my new mp3 player on the AIR NZ plane, and after the airline people at the counter couldn't help me, and I'd had to go through an operator to work out how to…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:09:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gervais Laird</title>
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						When I was living in London in 2003 and shifting house so I rang Lloyds Bank to change my contents insurance address.  I got put through to a charming Indian subcontinent call centre operator who when we got to my address details insisted on asking me what country London was…
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:20:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						...oh..  response was retrospectively to Stephen as well.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:18:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						crap, too slow by far.  That was a response to Rich Observationz.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:17:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						Oh, really?  Man, if I'd known that I wouldn't have bothered shelling out for the mac.  Good to know, thanks.  8-)
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:16:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						(Although ThrustWombat is an <em>excellent</em> name which I would gladly use for my next project, if that's ok with you).
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:15:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>What? No. Clearly it's a long time since you had your hands on a modern Linux distribution.</p><p>On my bog-standard Ubuntu box login faces are set up by default. It's up to users to turn on an image. All you have to do as a user is click in the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:14:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>*coff* OSX has cutie login icons. N00b.</p></blockquote><p>I stand admonished.</p><p>I guess you can probably get them on Linux if you load the ThrustWombat 5.108 build, edit and recompile the kernel reversement module, install Nigel's Window Manager and repurpose the graphics into VRML.</p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Tsk tsk you know I'm closely monitored for my drivel levels...
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...I have saved that link for you all.</p></blockquote><p>saved it from what?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:07:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						...I have saved that link for you all.
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				<title>merc</title>
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				<title>Dominic S</title>
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						Does John's customer have DomainKeys installed/enabled on the mail server? Yahoo invented DK, and they rely on it <strong>extensively</strong>. In my experience, it's the number one reason why mail ends up in Yahoo's bulk mail folder. It's also a bit of a pain to set up, certainly more complicated than…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:54:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Green</title>
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						<p>On gmail and attachments...</p><p>I was already rather fond of gmail, and then we got hooked up to google via <a href="http://reannz.co.nz/home/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">KAREN</a> at work, and the download speed is a near religious experience.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:48:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-spammer-until-proven-innocent/?p=34842#post34842</link>
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						<blockquote><p>It is time...The Nerds Handbook,<br />[[http://www.randsinrepose.com/|www.randisrepose.com</p></blockquote><p>merc, that's wonderful.  How long have you been saving it up for us?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:47:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It is time...The Nerds Handbook,<br /><a href="http://www.randsinrepose.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.randsinrepose.com/</a></p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Those lulls in the conversation over dinner? That’s the nerd working on his project in his head.</p></blockquote><p>I've learned to recognise the facial expression. Nonetheless, I'm forwarding the hell out of that link.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:41:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No truly geek couple would use XP, especially without a domain controller (the icons, user switch and other cutie stuff only appear in that case).</p></blockquote><p>*coff* OSX has cutie login icons.  N00b.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:31:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Geek couple commitment?</p></blockquote><p>No truly geek couple would use XP, especially without a domain controller (the icons, user switch and other cutie stuff only appear in that case).</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:27:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jimmy Hayes</title>
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						<p>Heh heh. For some perverse reason, I love terrible automated voice programs.</p><p>Had a bizarre experience last year when I encountered the public transport autovoice in Vancouver. It really did get quite shitty at me.</p><p>"Hello, and welcome to the Greater Vancouver Regional District public transport helpline. Are you wanting…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:09:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>hamishm</title>
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						I got the pleasure of a digipoll survey on my attitudes to xtra recently. Very therapeutic but I did feel a bit sorry for the caller. Having to tick "Strongly Disagree" all of the time must be boring.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:08:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<p>Most entertaining call center call I've made is to a person who had lost their voice...</p><p>honestly, is there a better reason for taking a day off if you're a call centre operator?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:03:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p>I got some Xtra help with moving.  The whole story is <a href="http://inastrangeland.wordpress.com/2007/11/06/extra-help-with-moving/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>, but here's my suggestion for what we should do about the helpless desk.</p><blockquote><p>I have had enough of helpless Xtra call centre operatives. Xtra is reducing its costs, by pushing the costs to its customers, in terms of…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:57:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-spammer-until-proven-innocent/?p=34825#post34825</link>
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						<p>Thanks for Count 2 &ndash; as someone here advised me, just saying "Fuck, fuck, fuck" gets you a person real quick.</p><p>But count 1 &ndash; maybe it's the way I speak, but I have managed to get no help whatsoever through the voice recognition &ndash; closes was:</p><p>"Welcome to Telecom.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:52:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-spammer-until-proven-innocent/?p=34821#post34821</link>
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						<p>It is time...The Nerds Handbook,<br /><a href="http://www.randsinrepose.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.randsinrepose.com/</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:44:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><em>They've made it simpler for the helpdesk staff now &ndash; you can't get past the voice recognition software (voiced it would seem, by Michelle A'Court), it doesn't seem to recognise any words at all.</em></p><p>That's not true on either count. I had the pleasure to test it out when Telecom's…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:40:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<em>I get really uncomfortable when people look at my computer screen when I haven't invited them to. Even if I'm only doing stuff that it wouldn't be a problem for them to see. It's my private little world that I only want other people to see if I invite them.</em>…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:29:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In a past life I temped for 2 weeks on Telecom's 123 service. Anytime I had a question in the too hard basket I dumped the call</p></blockquote><p>They've made it simpler for the helpdesk staff now &ndash; you can't get past the voice recognition software (voiced it would seem, by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:22:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And yet I know all these people &ndash; and some are quite young and interweb savvy &ndash; who share an email address with their honeys. Why?</p></blockquote><p>Not only sharing an email address, but having only one. I need four &ndash; work, home, web-based for travelling or for things that I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:19:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>daleaway</title>
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						I share an email address with my husband because we are a team. The team belongs to some of the same organisations and charities, purchases goods and services from the same tradespeople, writes to and receives mail from the same rellies/inlaws, etc etc, and it is just more convenient if…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:16:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Geek couple commitment?</p></blockquote><p>Oh.  </p><p> I thought you meant <a href="http://www.greecead.com/gadhome/Greek_weddings_renewal_of_vows.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>this.</em></a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:10:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>barnaclebarnes</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I ask that question all the time too, but even more I wonder "why would people ever share an email address?" &ndash; the idea of doing that just totally freaks me out.</p></blockquote><p>We don't even share the same computer or login let alone an email address. I'm sorry but my…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:00:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						About 18 months ago I found I couldn't FW or Reply with attachments via my Extra mail account (it had been fine for the previous 3 years). I started using my Gmail account to send attachments, but about 12 months ago I got fed up with Xtra and switched to…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:55:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And yet I know all these people &ndash; and some are quite young and interweb savvy &ndash; who share an email address with their honeys. Why?</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellanea/archive/2007-05-13--geek-couple-commitment.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Geek couple commitment?</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:53:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><em>And yet I know all these people &ndash; and some are quite young and interweb savvy &ndash; who share an email address with their honeys. Why?</em></p><p>It's really not that mysterious. It's for mail 'to the couple'. I have one with my wife, and it's used for stuff that's about…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:51:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dave Patrick</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Am I too cynical in thinking that the anti-EFB campaign by the Herald is largely driven by venality, as they stand to lose a lot of advertising dollars in election year if lobby groups rich enough to buy Herald ad space are limited in their spending?</p></blockquote><p>Not at all -…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:34:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-spammer-until-proven-innocent/?p=34798#post34798</link>
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						<blockquote><p>I ask that question all the time too, but even more I wonder "why would people ever share an email address?" &ndash; the idea of doing that just totally freaks me out.</p></blockquote><p>I've also been thinking about this a bit lately. It just seems so weird to share an email…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:33:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>   I'm not really sure that people who can't afford to buy stuff in the first place are a premium advertising audience.</em></p><p>if only someone had realised that before they started spending all their money.......</p></blockquote><p>You over-estimate the market place. Having sold advertising in a previous life I can assure you…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:32:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>uroskin</title>
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						Am I too cynical in thinking that the anti-EFB campaign by the Herald is largely driven by venality, as they stand to lose a lot of advertising dollars in election year if lobby groups rich enough to buy Herald ad space are limited in their spending?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:25:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						After reading all this, I'm glad I used Telstra Clear for my broadband connection at my new house. I had a small glitch, which was dealt with quickly and competently by the technician.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:17:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Despite working in the antispam business, and being intimate with email services, and having spent years installing and supporting mail servers, I still use hotmail for personal stuff. It's been great not to have changed my email address since 1992, never to have paid one cent for it, and to…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:07:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jimmy Hayes</title>
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						<p>Ok, are we heading down the nicely 'differentiated' path of UK-market newspapers?</p><p>The Herald is getting fairly blatant with its angle.</p><p>Early this morning, the main headline was <em>Key stays calm over threats to his life</em> which was replaced by <em>Eden Park upgrade bill rockets</em> but then that was replaced…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:01:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>robbery</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I now have two gmail accounts (social and non-work business) which works well except that gmail doesn't allow me to login to both at once. I really don't see why anyone would use anything else.</p></blockquote><p>because downloading via pop3 from their servers can be incredibly slow or stall. I some…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:17:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>Mintshot did leave me scratching my head for a while until I realised that the customers they are trying to hoodwink are your large corporate marketing teams looking for "quantifiable justification".</em></p><p>That makes sense. There's a vibe out there in ad-land that this internet thing is far too complicated and…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:15:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p>ROO said: One of many. Remind me again why she was considered such a business genius?<br />She was the one who was prepared to lie to make a living, her words remember..."we intentionally mislead the public on our offerings as a (cough) marketing strategy"<br />Thanks, I'll take 5.5 million severance…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:14:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						Sorry &ndash; 'sums'-  that creeping dyslexia nearly terminal.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:11:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Is there any irony in having that ad at he top of the page?</p></blockquote><p>There's another lovely one at the Herald where they're after a motto that somes up New Zealand and you have to negotiate around a "My Australia ' ad to read them.</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1501154&amp;objectid=10476000&amp;pnum=4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1501154&amp;objectid=10476000&amp;pnum=4</a></p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>And on the Vodafone tip, I noticed that they mentioned a virtual home zone as the next version which would be more appealing. <br />I've been following BT's Fusion product in the UK with interest &ndash; broadly speaking they provide a particular wifi router and dual-mode wifi/cellsite cellphone. When within range…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:03:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Palmer</title>
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						On the subject of Xtra, has anyone else had the pleasure of installing their broadband service recently? I went to help a friend do this &ndash; he is a young and active 60 y.o., but not in the slightest computer-savvy &ndash; expecting to have to wrestle with the usual hassles…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:57:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Mintshot did leave me scratching my head for a while until I realised that the customers they are trying to hoodwink are your large corporate marketing teams looking for "quantifiable justification".</p></blockquote><p>That makes sense. There's a vibe out there in ad-land that this internet thing is far too complicated and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:51:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So it does indeed come down to who has the most time to waste.</p></blockquote><p>And a high tolerance for mindlessness too ...</p><p>Then again, pitching a highly-educated high-earning audience hasn't gone so well for us lately, and I've just written a post highly critical of the advertiser we <em>do</em> have…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:49:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Mintshot did leave me scratching my head for a while until I realised that the customers they are trying to hoodwink are your large corporate marketing teams looking for "quantifiable justification".</p><p>Undoubtedly Mintshot will gloss over the fact that the database of responses is likely a fair distance from representative…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:48:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						<p>Had a look at mintshot yesterday. I *wish* it was tic-tac-toe you played for the minor prizes! </p><p>You play the 'game' for the minor prizes. It's more akin to minesweeper, but with no clues given out when you click a spot. 30 spots on a grid, randomly placed Xs and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:44:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						It's important to you Russell, but voice quality has never made much difference in the mobile market &ndash; I doubt that it will in fixed either.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:43:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>I'd have signed up already, except vodafone coverage is no good at my place. To have a decent conversation at my house on my mobile I need to go to one side of the house. It gets better if I stick my head out my lounge window. I'll stick with…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:40:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>When you think about it, the business case for providing POP email as an ISP sucks.</p><p>You have to invest massive amounts in hardware and staff time to filter out shit that no one wants, and people hate you when you screw it up, which is absolutely inevitable. Unless people…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:37:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Gmail on your own domain?</p></blockquote><p>I don't really see any point having a domain for personal use. They have a couple of downsides &ndash; anyone who wants can look your contact details up on whois, and they attract spam. Especially one-off, human generated spam that the spam filter can't block.…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Would I use this as my principal line? I'm not sure. The call quality seems a bit squawky, and certainly isn't a patch on my bangin' Ihug digital phone, which runs over the Wired Country connection.</p></blockquote><p>I thought it's a great deal. Fixed line is basically the same price, but…</p>
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				<title>samuel walker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm not really sure that people who can't afford to buy stuff in the first place are a premium advertising audience.</p></blockquote><p>if only someone had realised that before they started spending all their money.......</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:17:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>With the Xtra deal, I assume that Yahoo pays Telecom to be set up as the default portal for their customers?</p></blockquote><p>The promise of the joint venture was that there was going to be lots of lovely advertising loot via the YahooXtra portal. For various reasons (read the column I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:03:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Adrian Wills</title>
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						<p>On a completely different but desperate note... who is this!!!!!???</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/hitlist/2007/11/14/get-your-thinking-caps-on/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/hitlist/2007/11/14/get-your-thinking-caps-on/</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:02:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Finn Higgins</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I had a personal domain and switched to gmail.</p></blockquote><p>Why do that when you can use Google Apps and have Gmail <em>on</em> your own domain?  The advantages are obvious: You get all the stuff you get with Gmail, but you can set up up to 100 accounts for free and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:58:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Why on earth would you use your ISP provided email address for *anything*.</p></blockquote><p>I ask that question all the time too, but even more I wonder "why would people ever <em>share</em> an email address?" &ndash; the idea of doing that just totally freaks me out. If I was in a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:58:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Can someone tell me this &ndash; what parts of Telecom, other than sales and marketing, aren't outsourced?</p></blockquote><p>GenI &ndash; coz it's a Telecom owned outsourcing (anong other things) company.</p><p>With the Xtra deal, I assume that Yahoo pays Telecom to be set up as the default portal for their customers?…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I had a personal domain and switched to gmail. </p><p>I now have two gmail accounts (social and non-work business) which works well except that gmail doesn't allow me to login to both at once. I really don't see why anyone would use anything else. It's even quite classy to use…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:50:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Adrian Wills</title>
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						<p>It's probably worth telling people who don't know (as i'm not sure it's widespread knowledge) that if you own a domain name, you can have Google host your emails via here:</p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/a/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.google.com/a/</a></p><p>There's relatively straight forward instructions to setting it up with whomever your domain is through and it means…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:47:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Why on earth would you use your ISP provided email address for *anything*.</p></blockquote><p>Because most people don't have the knowledge to set up a hosted domain for mail (or the willingness to pay to keep it registered). I know it's really really easy but it's all relative. And it didn't…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:39:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>John Farrell</title>
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						Is there any irony in having that ad at he top of the page?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:35:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Can someone tell me this &ndash; what parts of Telecom, other than sales and marketing, aren't outsourced?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:30:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<p>Heh, an email reply from a friend (about Marc Ellis):</p><blockquote><p>[Ellis] seems to be above the law. The police say they were "<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10476194&amp;ref=rss" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">disappointed they were not advised</a>." And they do nothing.<br />The Police weren't "advised" there were a bunch of people running around the bush in the bay of plenty wearing…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:28:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Finn Higgins</title>
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						I've got a customer in Auckland at the moment who're having all kinds of hell because &ndash; for weird historical reasons &ndash; their email is configured to forward to an Xtra POP3 account from a domain default address.  As of a couple of months ago Xtra have taken to swallowing…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:18:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Why on earth would you use your ISP provided email address for *anything*. </p><p>You're locking yourself into the ISP if you do that (not to mention that you often can't send mail when not connected via the ISP).</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:17:17 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Maybe Ellis needs to go one stage further and provide free EEE machines and connections to people who are prepared to click ads all the day. It could become the new pokies.</p><p>I would hope that those having their ads served through mintsauce or whatever it's called aren't under the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:15:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Easterbrook</title>
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						<p>Here's a factual, non-emotional summary of my recent experiences with Xtra.</p><p>I've been with Xtra for a few years. Before the Great Xtra Migration debacle, I had received maybe half a dozen spam messages &ndash; ever &ndash; referring to my penis size, cheap prescription drugs,  rolex watches and stay-at-home money…</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						The sooner Marc Ellis is shipped off to some remote place with no media communication the better.
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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