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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p>And talking of echo chambers, the sub editors at the Independent today seem to have found one:</p><p><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2401721.ece" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bush and Blair Vent Anger....</a></p><p><br /><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2401703.ece" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bush Vents Fury...</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:32:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						Very interesting, although it does appear he did act a little improperly with regards to some of the precursor events. Although perhaps understandably, given his relationship with the senator in question.  Clearly a loyal republican until the event though, which is interesting
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						An <a href="http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/politics/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">interesting interview</a> with the US Attorney who more-or-less sparked off the story of the "purge"-  David Inglesias. He comes across as a decent man in a bad spot.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:11:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						James, I quite argree about the futility of the echo chamber. That's why I've spent a fair bit of time hanging out at <a href="http://rightreason.ektopos.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Right Reason</a> &ndash; I figured, partly correctly, that it might be possible to have constructive disagreement with folks on the other side of the "culture war"- and…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:09:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>When I go back to NZ, read NZ media and some of the MSM over here, or read forums like this one, there is usually just one side of the issues related to the States presented and discussed, and it is frequently the negative view of any particular issue.</p></blockquote><p>Please…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:47:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						James, I am aware that it was Novak...that was my point. Heresay from Novak (and yes I know his role in the Plame affair) against sworn testimony from the head of the agency concerned, plus the determination of the judge...its a non starter.
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote> Why do I post in a forum where most disagree with me? I can't think of anything more boring than an echo chamber. It is good to see other perspectives and have your views challenged. If that pisses some people off, then that is a shame; however I believe that…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:34:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Simon,</p><p>The journalist I was referring to who was Novack.  I thought that was clear from my previous posts but I should have made it explicit.  He wrote the article that started the whole Plame thing, during an interview Armitage told him about Plame and he then called the CIA…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:42:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p>I do like it when Danielle posts! </p><p>James,</p><blockquote><p>You have not addressed the issue of the CIA confirming Plame's identiy to a journalist. It rather gets to the heart of the whole Plame circus; either she wasn't covert, or the CIA blew her cover.</p></blockquote><p>If that journalist was Novak, I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:00:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						I'm confident that James' argument &ndash; that the reason we don't agree with his politics is because we don't live in the US and are speaking outside our experience  &ndash; would instantly collapse if he found himself in, say, New York, San Francisco or almost any area of New England…
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Anyone who's interested in the US attorney scandal, which seems like this decade's Saturday Night Massacre only worse, should be reading <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Talking Points Memo</a>, which is doing an amazing job of digging the dirt and joining the dots.</p><p>It can be read both inside and outside the USA :)</p>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<blockquote>Whenever I go back to NZ I am struck by two things, how poorly informed many New Zealanders are about the US and what it is actually like there and what is actually going on, it seems that just about everyone can cite inane and superficial platitudes they have picked…</blockquote>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Very cool <a href="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/keoni801/Westside.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/keoni801/Westside.jpg</a>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:17:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Heh. I wish I had a photo of the westside hand symbol to flash your way, Merc, but just take it as a given. :)
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Kia ora westside, represent!
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:52:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote> ... I have had the experience of New Zealanders who have never set foot in the US, let alone New Orleans, lecturing me on who did or didn’t do what before and after Katrina. How they think they could possibly know more than people who live there is just bizarre.…</blockquote>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<blockquote>Whenever I go back to NZ I am struck by two things, how poorly informed many New Zealanders are about the US and what it is actually like there and what is actually going on, it seems that just about everyone can cite inane and superficial platitudes they have picked…</blockquote>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Rob,</p><p>Yes, you are correct, the center of US politics and society is significantly more to the right than in many countries, or many other countries are more to the left than the US, depending on your perspective.</p><p>You are also correct; it is a little bit arrogant of you…</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Simon,</p><p>Re: your exerpt from Novak's latest article about Bush being isolated.</p><p>Both the House and Senate Repubs were extremely pissed at Bush for firing Rumsfeld the day after the election last year.  Their view is that the 2006 mid terms wouldn't have gone so badly for them if Bush…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:54:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Another poll that does not bode well for Hillary.</p><p>"Half of voting-age Americans say they would not vote for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) if she became the Democratic nominee for president in 2008, according to a Harris Interactive poll released Tuesday."</p><p>"Nearly half of the respondents said that they…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:40:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh no, I'm a thread killer.</p></blockquote><p>....no, I think it was more my appalling refusal to check my posts using the very advisable preview tab, yet again:</p><br /><br /><p>               <em><strong>strong</strong> insider links</em></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:30:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>This is good: Mad TV iRack Apple Iraq war parody</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuEDwcfJPSk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuEDwcfJPSk</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:01:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Oh no, I'm a thread killer.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:48:09 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Sort of off topic, but maybe not...if humans can learn to do this against every instinct in their body, maybe they can resist the urge to war on each other.<br /><a href="http://www.realsurf.com/news/newsitem.php?id=1289" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.realsurf.com/news/newsitem.php?id=1289</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:28:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						Back to Novak. If we assume, and I think we can, that Novak has very string insider links to the Senate and Congressional Republicans (his role seems to be as much a journalistic hitman, he says the things they want to say but can't, as anything else), then <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/25/AR2007032500912.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a>…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:05:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						James- with respect- I'm left-leaning myself but I can tell a comedian from a Fox news hack. The latter simply aren't deliberately funny. One of the curious things about watching the US from abroad (I was born in Vt, so I'm almost an american- I can vote but I'm forever…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:29:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<blockquote><p>being a phony bitch</p></blockquote><p>I stopped reading right there.</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As for Fox gunning for Obama, I haven't seen much if any negative press from anyone on Obama yet</p></blockquote><p>you can seriously write that?</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p>James,<br />I'd suggest reading that American Dynasty book I linked to above before saying:</p><blockquote><p>Americans have every right to know who Bill and Hill owe IOUs to, and what this money has been spent on</p></blockquote><p>The IOUs that the current administration have incurred over the past decades make a lot…</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						Ben, things are different this time due to the cable tv and the internet, blogs you tube etc, it is like we are having a cable tv primary in 2007, the 2008 election is on all the time, it never stops. Also the primary schedule is being highly compressed. Many…
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						__The other Clinton aspect that will surface at some stage is their library. To date no list of donors or expenditure has been disclosed. Bearing in mind plenty of foreign countries and nationals, many from the Middle East have made "donations", (is it a donation, or a fee for services…
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						Having had a Bush or Clinton on every presidential ballot since 1980 (as prez or VP) is definitely a issue against Hillary.  And the comparison against Bill is one Hillary will lose every time, being a phony bitch compared with Bill's ability to connect with any audience or group anywhere…
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						<p>We all have to remember that its still early 2007, and a lot can change before primaries start, let alone the real competion. </p><p>I can't remember things being so highly excited this time last cycle, or is my memory just really bad?</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						James- with regard to Novak- perhaps I'm overly influenced by jon Stwewart's "douchebag of liberty" crack. I don't mean to insinuate he's an insider in terms of some conspiracy. I've really only seen him via clips on youtube, but he's oozed an air of bad faith. Didn't know about his…
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<blockquote>One more thing about Clinton that leaves a bad taste in my mouth &ndash; let's say she's elected President and serves two terms. The US will have then been lead by people from either the Bush or Clinton family for 28 consecutive years. There's something basically wrong there . .…</blockquote>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I actually think the Labtest fiasco is something for which the authorities directly involved should take the rap. The alternative is a return to central control of the the whole system, which I suspect Tony Ryall doesn't really want ...</p></blockquote><p>To which I'll add, it's an Auckland problem. Obviously the…</p>
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						One more thing about Clinton that leaves a bad taste in my mouth &ndash; let's say she's elected President and serves two terms. The US will have then been lead by people from either the Bush or Clinton family for 28 consecutive years. There's something basically wrong there . .…
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>The line that Giuliani is too liberal for the Reps doesn't appear to stand up according to a recent Gallup poll &ndash; <a href="http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=26911" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Giuliani Top Choice Among Both Moderate, Conservative Republicans</a></p><p><a href="http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=26950" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hillary's polling</a> is interesting. She's ahead in every age and gender group and has a considerable lead (22% over Obama)…</p>
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						<blockquote>Don't over estimate Bill's help to Hillary. He will be invaluable as a campaign strategist, and yes he is still popular, but nobody will be able to help thinking that do we really want a First Husband who will be groping waitresses at State functions, and heaven only knows what…</blockquote>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p><em>Incidentally the most recent polling this week at Polling Report puts Obama level pegging with Rudy....a jump of some 5 points in a week. Early days, but, as I said earlier, he has the momentum right now</em></p><p>Yeah. It's no big deal that Obama polls lower than people like Clinton…</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But don't underestimate the power of Bill campaigning for her.</p></blockquote><p>They've been working on this for a long time, he's been based in Harlem for obvious reasons and she's been doing things like wooing southern white women. I think the choice of VP will be entirely pragmatic &ndash; if Obama…</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Richard Armitage a "non Bush insider"? Are you sure that's what you meant to say?</p></blockquote><p>Yep, Armitage was State Dept &ndash; part of the Powel camp, he wasn't <br />part of the Bush/Cheney faction. He just blabbed to the media about Plame probably to sound important, it wasn't anything orchestrated by…</p>
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						<p>speaking of dodgey neo-con smear campaigns against Gore, try this &ndash; it's quite amusing </p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwkbDubF2qM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwkbDubF2qM</a></p>
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						And more on Victoria Toensing...<a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/17/open-letter-to-victoria-toensing/trackback/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> & <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/03/22/toensings-little-inaccuracies/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>
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						<p>James,</p><p>Richard Armitage a "non Bush insider"? Are you sure that's what you meant to say?</p>
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						Incidentally the most recent polling this week at Polling Report puts Obama level pegging with Rudy....a jump of some 5 points in a week. Early days, but, as I said earlier, he has the momentum right now
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						<p>James,</p><p>There was more to Novak and swiftboating than you imply. From Wikipedia:</p><blockquote><p>his son, Alex Novak, is the Director of Marketing for the Swift Boat Veterans' publisher, Regnery Publishing. At the time he said that he didn't "think it relevant." Two months later Salon.com reported that Regnery's owner is…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Neil,</p><p>You wrote, "It would be a mistake to believe that just not having Bush will magically solve the serious issues out there."  </p><p>Nice to see some recognition of this.  It doesn't matter who would have been in the White House these last six years, we would have had some…</p>
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						<p><em>Jonkey? Have you been learning to spell from the mouth-breathers on the far-right who habitually call the Prime Minister 'Klark' and her party 'Liarbore'?</em></p><p>yes fair call Craig, that was childish and unnecessary of me.<br />I genuinely apologise for that.</p>
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						Obama does lack experience and he could implode under pressure or some as yet unheard scandal. But ain't he done well so far! Truely impressive, and actually (I'm not saying this is good!) might appeal more to the conservative Xtians than Guilianni (not only pro-abortion, but all those links to…
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						Bush has a lot to hide. Firing a USA (Carol Lam, whom he appointed) while she's  engaged in the prosecution of the biggest political corruption case for a generation-  that's just hubris plus. This is the case, don't forget, that implicated the CIA's number 3 and forced Porter Goss' swift…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Riddley:</p><p>Jonkey?  Have you been learning to spell from the mouth-breathers on the far-right who habitually call the Prime Minister 'Klark' and her party 'Liarbore'?  </p><p>Hey, I'll take that as a gracious admission you can't actually rebut anything I've said, so it's time to get down to not very punny…</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Obama's crucial short coming is that of experience.</p></blockquote><p>For US domestic politics I don't think this is true, he'd probably achieve as much as Clinton would. But I think that this is an issue when it comes to international politics, which is where most of the interest/concern is. And it…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Thus the call for investigation is aimed at proving or laying to rest those concerns.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly. Sidney Blumenthal puts it fairly well in <a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sidney_blumenthal/2007/03/the_godfather_white_house.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Guardian today</a>. There is an aura out there, rightly or wrongly. that something is not quite right in this. If there is no fire under the…</p>
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						<p>James, <br />Novak has not come out of this well, as you must agree. Whether I take his word or the that of the serving CIA chief is a matter of relativity. </p><p>On one hand we have the cries of a Democratic conspiracy</p><blockquote><p>That confirmed Republican suspicions that Hayden is too…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>Some of the attorneys were cut loose because they weren't prosecuting voter fraud and illegal immigration cases.</p></blockquote><p>If I understand correctly, that goes to the very heart of the issue. Many people think that that is an ostensible, post-hoc reason only, and that there are some very odd and ugly…</p>
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						<p>Obama is very, very good.  He has phenomenal political skills in terms of emoting and connecting with an audience.  I have read experienced commentators who have observed him say that Obama is as good as Bill Clinton in that regard, and Bubba was the best in a generation.</p><p>Obama's crucial…</p>
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						<blockquote>Kiss the babies, cut the ribbons, open the hospitals, turn up to press conferences for good news, and if there's bad news coming out of health, push some top bureaucrat out there to take the flak, and then come charging in and say you're going to fix it later. If…</blockquote>
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						Kyle, I think Craig expects Labour ministers to behave like the honourable members representing National, who are always forthright when taking responsibility for their errors, always the epitome of sincerity and credulity, who are never self-interested, and who always not only have all the facts, but also always lay them…
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						<blockquote><p>Unlike Kyle Matthews, apparently, I happen to think when you accept a ministerial warrant it doesn't mean you front up for the photo ops and patsy questions then duck for cover when there's legitimate questions to be answered.</p></blockquote><p>He's a politician, and fairly experienced and good at it (relative to…</p>
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						<p>cool Craig, i'll take that as a gracious admission then that CitRat is Nat.<br />cheers</p>
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						<p>James,<br />I'm not going to take Novak, who is a protagonist on the wrong side of the Plame debacle, writing for RCP, over Waxman. I'm sorry but that veers towards the ludicrous.<br />I'm aware of the Florida newspaper investigation, but, as I said, others disagree. The New York Times own…</p>
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						<p>Ridley wrote:<br /><em>Is that the one where King foolishly took the word of someone recommended by a National Party politician?</em></p><p> Somehow, I don't think you're going to put the words <strong>clear conflict of interest</strong> in a letter if you're engaged in blatant cronyism.  </p><p>As far as I can tell, even…</p>
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						<p>Sorry for the double up, but if anyone is interested in Gore's relationship with the media, the WaPo's Howard Kurtz included this quote today (it also covers some of the clips that Russell wrote about):</p><p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100587.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100587.html</a></p><blockquote><p>"-- From the perspective of Democrats, no politician has been more right, more often,…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>- too many people hate her and not enough people like her, no matter how much money she raises.</p></blockquote><p>That's the line being taken by the more left-leaning activists in the Democrat party (and the Reps unsurprisingly) but that's just projection. They hate her. That's no indication of the electorate's…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If Obama is nominated then I think he will win no matter who he runs against</p></blockquote><p>Danyl, why so confident about Obama? I'm not closely following the race (yet) and I can see Obama's obvious appeal but I'm not so sure that that will be sufficient? I'd have thought, after…</p>
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						<p>James,</p><p>Danyl was right when he said:</p><blockquote><p>It is controversial when you selectively fire a bunch of AG's who are either investigating members of your party or have refused White House requests to investigate democrats. It's really controversial when you defend your decision by claiming you sacked them for performance…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>If Clinton gets the Dem nomination then I suspect whoever the Republicans run will win &ndash; too many people hate her and not enough people like her, no matter how much money she raises. </p><p>If Obama is nominated then I think he will win no matter who he runs against.…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>What I'd really prefer is the damn Health Minister doing his job instead of playing hide and don't seek with the Opposition and media. Sorry for finding all the Parliamentary wankage tiresome, but there are people out there who need medical advice based on timely and accurate lab results.</p></blockquote><p>Pete…</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>Gore-Obama is just not going to happen. Gore has given enough indications that he is not running to make that a certainty. (If he does, look forward to a very nasty shootout with the Clinton gang).</p><p>The contest is between Clinton and Obama which from a liberal perspective is something…</p>
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						<p>sorry craig, just couldn't quite reconcile your statement that</p><p><em>ever since I've been involved the National Party has a clear policy that it doesn't run or endorse local body tickets</em></p><p>with the fact that</p><p><em>Nick Albrecht, the C&amp;R campaign manager, works in [Maurice] Williamson’s electorate office</em></p><p>i guess you have a…</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>As far as the attorney "scandal" goes, here is an exerpt from the WaPo's editorial today.</p><p>".. The many e-mails that the administration has released for the most part suggest nothing nefarious in the dismissal process. </p><p>It would not be acceptable for Mr. Bush to fire the attorneys to short-circuit…</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p><em>The DOJ fuss is a non-scandal in the sense that the firings in question were perfectly legitimate. The positions in question are political appointees who serve at the pleasure of the President; they can be fired for any reason at anytime.</em></p><p>The attorneys do serve at the pleasure of the…</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>I would be careful about taking Waxman at face value.  Here is an article by Robert Novak (who ought to know about the ins and outs of the whole sorry affair) on the subject of Plame's status.</p><p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/was_valerie_covert.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/03/was_valerie_covert.html</a></p><p>While he was researching his original article that started the whole thing…</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p>The <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/16/AR2007031600276.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">CIA seems to disagree</a> with you on her covert state:</p><blockquote><p>Plame's testimony on the covert nature of her job was buttressed by a statement that Waxman read at the hearing's opening which, he said, was approved by Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the CIA's director. The statement said that Plame…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Gore won the popular vote in 2000, but everyone knows that there is this thing called the electoral college, that for better or worse is used to decide elections.</p><p>And Gore did lose Florida by about 500 votes.  After the election, a consortium of newspapaers including the NYT Miami Herald…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But Clinton's record is interesting. She scraped in in her first senatorial race...</p></blockquote><p>55% over 43% isn't really <em>scraped in</em>.</p>
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				<title>Simon Grigg</title>
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						<p>Gore...I'm increasingly fascinated by the <a href="http://www.cafepress.com/go2008" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">momentum</a> that seems to be gathering for the <a href="http://www.gore-obama.us/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gore / Obama ticket</a> which seems,on the face of it, to be potentially unbeatable. That takes Gore way past Hillary in polling totals</p><p>Especially if the speculation, as I type, about Edwards withdrawing is correct, although that…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Riddley:</p><p>What evidence?  FFS, I've lived the majority of my life in a city where the current mayor was once a National Party candidate for Ohariu-Belmont, and her deputy was a Labour Party candidate for Wellington Central.  Somehow, I don't think they're spending a lot of time getting their marching…</p>
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						<p>Gore is talking about the decision to invade Iraq here, but he might as well have been talking about the result of the 2000 election.</p><blockquote><p>I'm convinced that one of the reasons that we didn't have a better public debate before the [Iraq war] started is because **so many of…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>never called you a liar Craig, i assumed you just had to be joking when you were asserting that Citizens and Ratepayers Now are independent from the National/ACT parties.<br />but if it offends you then no problem, you are correct and i was wrong: they are completely distinct, separate and…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><em>Giuliani and McCain (who is trying to cynically reinvent himself as a moral conservative) also have the problem that they're on record holding views on issues like abortion that are anathema to the crazies in the Republican base.</em></p><p>Well, it's also going to be interesting to see if HIlary Clinton…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Ridley Walker wrote:<br /><em>oh riiiiight, so there is no association between the National Party and Citizens and Ratepayers. good one Craig</em></p><p>As I've said, the National Party doesn't formally run or endorse local body tickets and any National Party member who stands for a local body or a DHB doesn't…</p>
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						<p><a href="http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/03/21/PH2007032102063.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This is a great photo</a> &ndash; <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/21/AR2007032102060_2.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the accompanying story is quite good too</a></p><p>I hope the Democrats don't let the Obama/Clinton rivalry get out of hand.  </p><p>Before I developed an interest in US politics, I assumed that the unflattering media opinion of Al Gore had some basis in fact.  By…</p>
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				<title>Marcus Neiman</title>
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						Indeed N. Important, beware the iconic building, and in any case Sydney won that game 40 years with the Opera House, and Bilbao got the silver more recently. Nothing screams "Provincial City!" now like a consciously constructed "icon". Well situated public open spaces however rarely go out of fashion.
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						<p>did I say finish? okay, just this bit ...</p><blockquote><p>A more valid argument perhaps is that Ponsonby's residents are already among Auckland City's most privileged burghers and that perhaps the money might have been better spent in Avondale, Glen Innes, or Mt. Roskill.</p></blockquote><p>Definitely a point I agree with! The…</p>
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						<p><em>within hours the site has been amended</em></p><p>well there must be some nats on here. indeed the Lord Jonkey moves in mysterious ways.</p><p><em>He did win the popular vote, and it's still a matter of conjecture as to who really won Florida</em></p><p>yeah I reckon. Remeber the Diebold fiasco, the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>what Steve Curtis said</p></blockquote><p>This thread has split into two discussions, one from an aside I made earlier. RB will probably want us back on topic so I'll just finish with this thought (continuing the discussion on reserves) ...</p><p>Can anyone explain (in plain english) why we have to acccept…</p>
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				<title>Hamish</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I see that if you go to 'Select an MP', dear Dr Don is still at the top.</p></blockquote><p>Heh, within hours the site has been amended. Wonders never cease.</p>
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				<title>Marcus Neiman</title>
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						<p>Mr/Ms. Important: I think your outrage might be a little misplaced. In the case of the $40m for the Viaduct, the beneficiaries were primarily opportunistic developers and the wealthy consumers of their products.</p><p>In the case of Ponsonby the primary beneficiaries in the short term will be established local residents,…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>He's also a much more appealing figure today than he was then.</p></blockquote><p>Probably, but he's picked his battle and I don't think he can turn his global warming <em>groove</em> into a winning campaign for the nomination.</p><p>The Obama/Clinton debate aside, I really think 08 will be driven by the Republican…</p>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<p>the money comes from reserve contributions from new apartments and infill housing. So is ring fenced for new reserves.<br />Usually its impossible to get a decent site at all, so be gratefull</p><p>If Banks was around it would be for pitstops for the V8's.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>In the meantime Council's income from the lease helps off-set the purchase price &ndash; I can't recall how by much, but it's a pretty significant amount.</p></blockquote><p>Er ...  I think you mean an <em>INsignificant</em> amount. Which is why they're hanging on til 2009 (which almost gives the council enough time…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Like Hillary, Gore is not a natural politician, he has zero charisma and a political tin ear, and he not only has a reputation as a loser, he is a loser. He lost what should have been for a politician of any ability at all, an unlosable election in 2000.</blockquote>…
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				<title>Leigh Kennaway</title>
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						The Liquor King site on Ponsonby Rd may have cost $7 million, but the business will continue to operate until the current lease expires in July 2009. In the meantime Council's income from the lease helps off-set the purchase price &ndash; I can't recall how by much, but it's a…
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Gore might win the Dem primary if Hillary tanks, but I don't think he would win the general election, in fact I am damn sure he wouldn't.</p><p>Like Hillary, Gore is not a natural politician, he has zero charisma and a political tin ear, and he not only has a…</p>
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						<p>as a completely trival aside, i see that on the National Party site (i was checking how you spell Hutchison &ndash; RB you were right)</p><p><a href="http://www.national.org.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.national.org.nz/</a></p><p>i see that if you go to 'Select an MP', dear <strong>Dr Don is still at the top</strong>. so much for quarantining him off…</p>
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						I remember seeing Gore on the Late Show a year or two after the 2000 election, and the contrast between before/after election was amazing. Gone was the uptight, pseudo populist candidate, and in his place was a pretty funny open guy.  If he can combine that latter persona with a…
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						<blockquote><p>Ain't that the truth! Now I hear on the radio that National's Paul Hutchinson recommended Tony Bierre to Wayne Brown in the first place.</p></blockquote><p>To be fair, I think it was also Hutchison who realised what was going on, after Bierre contacted him for support, and blew the whistle.</p><p>But,…</p>
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						<blockquote>All we need now for pure spectator enjoyment is for Gore to jump into the race.</blockquote> Damn straight but it aint gonna happen.  Gore has only just overcome his 'Loser' status (undeserved) with his Oscar 'win' for <em>An Inconvenient Truth</em> so he's not going to risk that by entering a…
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						<blockquote><p>All we need now for pure spectator enjoyment is for Gore to jump into the race. The Clintons and Gores hate each other so much, it would be quite a sight to see their respective camps going at each other.</p></blockquote><p>I'm really hoping Gore comes in. I think he'd win…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>...the sender has given their name and sources for the claims they make ie they're not hiding who they are...</p></blockquote><p>Sorry, Not Important (I'm sure you actually are), but who cares if they're not hiding who they are &ndash; of course they're not &ndash; they want votes!</p><p>But they only…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						The way that local body affiliations fall in Auckland is quite eccentric. I dutifully vote for Hucker and Sefuiva, but they're actually a little too left for my taste (case in point: the way they needlessly got offside with small businesses over the billboard and street-seating reforms). I'm rather keener…
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>The Clinton video clip is so brilliant, so clever, and as Howard Fineman says in an article on the impact of the internet on the 2008 election, devastating.</p><p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17720439/site/newsweek/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17720439/site/newsweek/</a></p><p>It reminds people of the worst aspects of the brutal "big brother" Clinton political machine, and highlights Hillary’s utter lack of…</p>
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				<title>Nobody Important</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There is little to suggest that "Spending for Africa" is a phenomenon that is limited to the Left</p></blockquote><p>Don't get me wrong &ndash; I'm an equal opportunity whiner! You should have heard me bitch about all the money Banksie &amp; C&amp;R spent on the viaduct. $40 million on Maritime Square alone, largely…</p>
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				<title>Riddley Walker</title>
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						<p><em>this doesn't seem like the right week to be making conflict-of-interest allegations against other parties.<br /></em></p><p>Ain't <em>that</em> the truth! Now I hear on the radio that <em>National's Paul Hutchinson recommended Tony Bierre to Wayne Brown</em> in the first place.</p>
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				<title>Marcus Neiman</title>
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						<p>Mr/Ms. Important: There is little to suggest that "Spending for Africa" is a phenomenon that is limited to the Left &ndash; Bush's America, for example. In any case it's not as if Auckland as an urban space already has a surfeit of transport, housing, and cultural  infrastructure.  </p><p>I also suggest…</p>
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				<title>Nobody Important</title>
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						<p>Oh yes ... one more thing ...</p><p>I was one of the "anyone but Banks" brigade too. Told all my friends to vote him and his ilk out.  But then got the shock of my life when The Left took control.  Guess I was the dumbRs too.  Why do I…</p>
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				<title>Nobody Important</title>
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						I don't have a problem with the letter inasmuch that the sender has given their name and sources for the claims they make ie they're not hiding who they are. Its all part of the political realm. And to be fair Simpson & Caughey DID sucker their ward by claiming to…
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				<title>Riddley Walker</title>
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						<p>it's true National likes to pretend they aren't really Citizens and Ratepayers, but then there's this sneaked out from those paragons of leftwingism Ben Thomas (NBR journalist) and David 'W' Young (former Business Roundtable PR guy) in their blog at</p><p><a href="http://dogbitingmen.blogspot.com/2004_10_01_dogbitingmen_archive.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://dogbitingmen.blogspot.com/2004_10_01_dogbitingmen_archive.html</a></p><p>"Citizens and Ratepayers Now, an amalgam of ACT- and…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>"AFAIK, ever since I've been involved the National Party has a clear policy that it doesn't run or endorse local body tickets."</p><p>Always seems like a dishonest rouse to me. Very much in a similar vein to all those false front "independent research" organisations supported by the same tired old…</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-de-vellis-aka-parkridge/i-made-the-vote-differen_b_43989.html " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">someone</a> has come forward as the creator, appears to be genuine.</p><p>He see this is the start of a new people-taking-back-politics-from-the-system movement. I tend to think these sort sof ads just preach to the converted even if they are amusing. But this guy wasn't trying to be funny, he…</p>
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				<title>Riddley Walker</title>
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						oh <em>riiiiight</em>, so there is no association between the National Party and Citizens and Ratepayers. good one Craig
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						BTW, on the whole Labtest tender farce, I'm happy to take my default position of 'cock-up trumps conspiracy in 99.999% of cases' &ndash; but I'm quite happy to be proved wrong.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Thank you, Neil.  When the Republican primary begins to get <em>really</em> nasty (and I think it's safe to say there are elements on the far-right of the GOP who'd rather see Osama Bin Laden in the White House than either McCain or Giuliani) I'm sure 'longtime liberal hitmen' will fastidiously…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>or a Godwin's Law clause to Godwin's Law</p></blockquote><p><chortle></p>
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				<title>richard</title>
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						Personally, I would like a see a mash-up covering health board conflicts of interest based on this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0_tfoTTGOQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">E-Trade ad</a>...
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So you've got a viral video by an anonymous Democrat made into news by a longtime conservative hitman on the internet.</p></blockquote><p>There's a more prosaic and less conspiratorial explanation than Greg Sargent's &ndash; the story took two weeks to gain momentum, to move from internet fringes to the mainstream. It…</p>
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				<title>plum</title>
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						Actually, the circular logo on the hammer thrower's tee is the logo of the Obama campaign. Very sophisticated video editing, that.
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				<title>Riddley Walker</title>
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						or a Godwin's Law clause to Godwin's Law
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				<title>Andrew Wilson</title>
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						I wonder if its time to have an Orwell clause to Godwin's Law.
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				<title>Riddley Walker</title>
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						<p>I like the quote in the Citizens and Ratepayers' attack flyer that says</p><p>"...you can fix the fiscal mismanagement, the broken promises, the ethics issues, and the poor direction of Auckland City by... voting for [National/ACT Party allied] Citizens and Ratepayers Now."</p><p>I presume by 'fix', they mean, 'make permanent'.</p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Damn, my paranoid 3D RWDB tangents quashed...
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				<title>matthewbuchanan</title>
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						Ah right, yes I think I did know that now you mention it. Nice job anyway.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Someone's gone to a bit of trouble to 3D render an iPod on the hammer thrower in the Clinton ad. That wasn't in the original. Cool.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, its' based on the version of the ad shown at Macworld Expo in 2004 &ndash; for which Apple itself added the iPod.</p>
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				<title>matthewbuchanan</title>
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						Someone's gone to a bit of trouble to 3D render an iPod on the hammer thrower in the Clinton ad. That wasn't in the original. Cool.
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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