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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Let’s act like we’re a serious alternative government.</p><p>Let’s not. </q></p><p>Sadly, a good summary</p>
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				<title>3410</title>
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						<p><q>This is a spoof, right?</q></p><p>'Fraid not. <a href="http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/05/25/lets-not-game/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">It's official</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 13:41:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>Please. <br />This is a spoof, right? Cos if not, I do give up. Lost my vote.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 13:10:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>3410</title>
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						Precisely.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 10:53:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Your thoughts?</q></p><p>Let’s act like we’re a serious alternative government.</p><p>Let’s not.  </p><p>(I’m almost tempted to e-mail the ever-so-slightly litigious Lucasfilm and ask if Labour got clearance to use that picture of Pouty Luke &amp; Slave Leia, but that would be mean. I also believe Ridley Scott expects to be paid…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 10:51:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>3410</title>
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						<p><a href="http://lets-not.co.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Labour's new campaign</a>.</p><p>Your thoughts?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 10:27:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Absolutely nothing that his audience wouldn't have wanted to hear, and who the fuck thinks "fairness" is a bad thing?  :Let's see the promised "affordable, fully-costed policy" before elevating Cunliffe to the thinking man's Beiber, shall we? Because the last time Labour tried, even that well-known Rogernome Brian Easton was…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 11:52:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>it doesn't matter how nice the frame is if the picture is rubbish</q></p><p>Please do share your critique of the painting, as it looked pretty good from here compared with some of the childish doodling on offer previously.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 11:42:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>No, Red, while I'll concur with Idiot Savant that it was a pretty good exercise in "high level framing", it doesn't matter how nice the frame is if the picture is rubbish.</q></p><p>Mind you, the same was said about the infamous Children Overboard affair in Oz. Blatant lies it was,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 11:11:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>I really really hope this FUBAR is not a sign of things to come…</q></p><p>Me too because although that 90% may have been a poll of nine rabid Labour haters and one staunch Labour supporter. The fact is that it indicates that people will vote on an emotional level without…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 10:59:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Oh, and when it comes "slick publicity" I really really hope <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10726556" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this FUBAR</a> is not a sign of things to come...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 10:20:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Once again, policy is on his side. Now all it needs is a slick publicity machine.</q></p><p>No, Red, while I'll concur with Idiot Savant that it was a pretty good exercise in "high level framing", it doesn't matter how nice the frame is if the picture is rubbish.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 07:56:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<p>Reading Cunliffe's opinion piece today suggests to me that Labour have perhaps finally listened to what has been said in this thread.</p><p>There's still something of a credibility issue that Labour will need to resolve though. They are proposing to kick start the economy to a bigger extent than National,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 21:28:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>I lost faith in Cunliffe when he got into populist scare-mongering over South Canterbury Finance. the bailout of which was an intended consequence of legislation he voted for at every opportunity.</p><p>If he had questions over what Cullen was doing he should have been asking them at the time.</p><p>It…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 18:21:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kracklite</title>
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						Alas, the glib, illogically formatted and meaningless winner of Beige Alert's billboard competition proves that they still refuse to learn a damned thing.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 18:15:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>This from Cunliffe is more like it.</q></p><p>Once again, policy is on his side. Now all it needs is a slick publicity machine.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 14:33:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Greg Dawson</title>
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						There's clearly an opportunity for Labour to bring back more memories of the mistakes of the 90's in this mornings <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1105/S00360/government-announces-privatisation-of-acc.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">announcement by Nick Smith</a> regarding the future of ACC.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 13:45:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p><q>When independent retailers (Halal Butchers in Newtown, or any weekend market) are consistently cheaper than the supposed cheapest supermarket in town </q></p><p>we've been using the weekend markets for going on three years. we've very very rarely spent more than $40 for all the fruit and vege we need, and usually…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 13:37:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>A friend who returned from Britain last year can’t get over how expensive food is here. I worry about that.</q></p><p>Supermarket duopoly surely has a lot to do with that. When independent retailers (Halal Butchers in Newtown, or any weekend market) are consistently cheaper than the supposed cheapest supermarket in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 13:12:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob S</title>
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						<p>Northern Busway ?<br />Much derided public transport can be a political hard sell, although late [for the bus],sorry, I think that Labour was starting to "get it"<br />Not so much our road building maniacs on the treasury benches.<br />NZ is starting to wake up to peak oil and our leaders…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 13:11:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>This from Cunliffe is <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10726311" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">more like it</a>.</p><p><q>The budget will be a success if it shows that National has realised it cannot go on as it has: borrowing and splurging on tax cuts for the wealthy, then asking the rest of us to pick up the bill. </p><p>...</p><p>A successful Budget…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 12:05:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>Labour introduced a specific local petrol tax [aimed at benefiting Aucklands rail network] for just this purpose.</q></p><p>Oh I'm aware of this, but I'm afraid it was too little, too late &ndash; hence National was able to kill it <em>before it was implemented</em>. LGv5 seemingly discovered the necessity of public…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 11:56:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob S</title>
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						<p>Labour introduced a specific local petrol tax [aimed at benefiting Aucklands rail network] for just this purpose.<br />Who killed it on entering Parliament?<br />Hint the party name starts with an N and J K are the leaders initials.<br />I despair at some of the opportunities that have been squandered in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 11:47:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p><q>It’s a constant refrain from Australian friends who’ve relocated to NZ. </q></p><p>it was my experience when getting back here in 2005.</p><p>it's the trouble with being a net exporter of foods i guess.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 11:38:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>I have to add that this is why people want to live in affluent countries, we are still one of those in many respects, you can actually have a life as opposed to just struggling and surviving like many in  "undeveloped" nations.<br />Since the enactment of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Enclosure</a> people…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 22:38:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>More generally, it amazes me that no one held Labour to account for leaving benefit levels largely where Ruthless Richardson put them relative to wages.</q></p><p>I know people who choose not to work, sickness beneficiaries who believe you shouldn’t have to “Earn” a living (this is seen as a sickness…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 22:22:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>I worry that it has become a kind of wage subsidy that allows real wages and salaries to stay low and/or gets eaten up by higher retail prices. So many working people now literally depend on it.</q></p><p>Why worry? The fact is that money is a bit like a car,…</p>
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						<p>Yeah I was aware that this was done by design that was why I deemed it inexcusable. For a party who are supposed to represent the poor they implemented a policy that made the very poor worse off relatively speaking.</p><p>As Kyle mentioned if they had to do an In…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						WFF excluded beneficiaries by design, under the rationale of 'making work pay' &ndash; one of the Third Way mantras of the Clark administration.
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>It’s a constant refrain from Australian friends who’ve relocated to NZ. I’ve not looked into it in any detail to know the causes or even if the anecdata is correct. Perhaps someone else has?</q></p><p>A TV show (was it Campbell Live) tracked a family for a year and put the…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>people on minimum wage are substantially better off than beneficiaries as they receive the In Work Credit and beneficiaries don't</q></p><p>That was the whole Third Way justification, yes. Nothing to do with 'need'. </p><p>More generally, it amazes me that no one held Labour to account for leaving benefit levels largely…</p>
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						Agreed. Overall I support WFF though I admit there are flaws with it. However, what I do think was inexcusable was excluding beneficiaries from it. The very people who probably need it the most never get it. This also adds to downward pressure on wages as even people on minimum…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I worry about that too but I just can’t see how removing WFFwill lower food prices. It would possibly lower rent prices as families simply would no longer be able to afford the higher rents. But I am pretty sure food would stay horribly expensive.</q></p><p>Removing it probably wouldn't do…</p>
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				<title>webweaver</title>
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						<p><q>Do you have a link that leads to the actual poll with the question and statement of the sample and methodology?</q></p><p>No sorry I don't &ndash; I looked on the website but the link I already provided was the only one I could find. The wording of the question is…</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>My recollection is that Cullen was never very keen on WFF or interest free student loans, "no jam" I think was the expression he used, but they got introduced before an election just when Labour's fortunes were flagging.</p><p>Cullen did very well but he did very well in the good…</p>
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						I worry about that too but I just can't see how removing WFFwill lower food prices. It  would possibly lower rent prices as families simply would no longer be able to afford the higher rents. But I am pretty sure food would stay horribly expensive.
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p><q>I worry about that.</q></p><p>It's a constant refrain from Australian friends who've relocated to NZ. I've not looked into it in any detail to know the causes or even if the anecdata is correct. Perhaps someone else has?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Not to mention the fact that in an entirely unscientific (but still rather interesting) poll on Campbell Live last week, 60% of responders answered “yes” to the question:</q></p><p>Do you have a link that leads to the actual poll with the question and statement of the sample and methodology?  Sorry…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Cullen then had to go out say that actually, the surpluses are a lot more fragile than the headlines look. And got mocked for his trouble.</q></p><p>No, Alex, I've criticised Cullen for many things (YMMV, whether I've been just or not in every case) but I won't damn anyone for…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>WFF was the only thing that allowed us to afford the escalating rent, food and petrol prices that occurred from 2005 onwards.</q></p><p>I know. But I worry that it has become a kind of wage subsidy that allows real wages and salaries to stay low and/or gets eaten up by…</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<q>I hope Working for Families will also be looked upon fondly as I know my own family and many others would have struggled to get by without it. WFF was the only thing that allowed us to afford the escalating rent, food and petrol prices that occurred from 2005 onwards.</q>…
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						<p><q>I suspect history will praise Cullen for delivering zero net government debt to his successor, and for significant attempts to improve our miserable savings performance &mdash; and look less fondly on Working for Families.</q><br />I hope Working for Families will also be looked upon fondly as I know my own…</p>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p><q> It was an infantile but effective line of argument.</q></p><p>Duncan Garner used to crack me up on this. </p><p>For what seemed like a month in the build up to the budget he'd be badgering Cullen about "Will there be tax cuts?",  and Cullen would say, clearly enough, "No, and here's…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Cullen then had to go out say that actually, the surpluses are a lot more fragile than the headlines look. And got mocked for his trouble.</p><p>Your perception obviously differs, and that’s cool. But the idea that those headlines were ‘certainly’ good for Labour does kind of ignore what was…</q></p>
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				<title>Alex Coleman</title>
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						<p><q>Hickey was asking some rather prickly questions about the quality of of information (and poor reporting and analysis of the dubious assumptions behind them) coming out of the Treasury even when it was politically convenient for Labour – which headlines like “surplus higher than forecast, again” certainly were.</q></p><p>I'm not…</p>
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						<p><q>Meanwhile, a clear majority of New Zealanders have indicated that they’re prepared to pay a small temporary levy on their income to pay for the rebuilding of Christchurch. So why are we adding $5 billion more to a record deficit instead?</q></p><p>Not to mention the fact that in an entirely…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q> The Standard have a post that references Keith Ng’s fisking of the previous Budget, and quotes Bernard Hickey on the latest forecasting chicanery.</q></p><p>But unlike the Standard, Hickey was asking some rather prickly questions about the quality of  of information (and poor reporting and analysis of the dubious assumptions behind…</p>
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						<q>it's myth created by a corporate giant that lemmings actually skitter to their doom, one that served a particular purpose and propaganda on an unwitting audience. apparently the corporate actually had a turntable set up, and were propelling lemmings off a staged cliff! "look!" they cried, "these stupid little fckers…</q>
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						<p><q>Like lemmings we’re accepting National’s framing of the budget, and marching even faster to our economic doom.</q></p><p>i'd like to dispute the characterisation of lemmings.</p><p>it's myth created by a corporate giant that lemmings actually skitter to their doom, one that served a particular purpose and propaganda on an unwitting…</p>
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						<p><q>They’re even canvassing alternatives.</p><p>Like lemmings we’re accepting National’s framing of the budget, and marching even faster to our economic doom</q></p><p>As the resident lemming, I'd like to raise an objection to that characterization. We don't march, we skitter.</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>i told them i was glad it was them we were lunching with, because if it was treasury bods we'd have half as much food and have to pay twice as much for it.</p><p>they laughed.</q></p><p>;D</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>they laughed.</q></p><p>me too  :)</p>
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				<title>Che Tibby</title>
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						<p><q>Every economic forecast by the Treasury underestimated the impact of an epic change in the way New Zealanders think about debt and spending.</q></p><p>i had lunch with some forecasters from another-financial-department-that-isn't-treasury on sunday.</p><p>i told them i was glad it was them we were lunching with, because if it was…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q>And more on Budget alternatvies from the Greens.</q></p><p>That really is excellent (although DPF's critique of the big hole in their minimum wage modelling does hold &ndash; they've ignored the drop in the company tax take that will accompany it)</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>More like selling the engine to overseas financiers who will lease it back to us with interest.</q><br />too true ...resulting in this kind of <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/2964884/Transpower-buys-its-way-out-of-controversial-deal-with-US-firm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">debacle</a></p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Labour list candidate Jordan Carter seems to <a href="http://jtc.blogs.com/just_left/2011/05/dont-sweat-the-small-stuff.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">get it</a>.</p><p><q>Two primary drivers of people's actions are the two most powerful emotions we feel: hope, and fear.  The side of politics that gets the balance of hope and fear right wins elections.</p><p>...</p><p>But we need to keep running the big…</q></p>
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						<p><q>reducing the cost of producing a car by getting rid of the side impact beams, instead of the air-con unit.</q></p><p>More like selling the engine to overseas financiers who will lease it back to us with interest. Cos it worked so well in the 80s and 90s, eh.</p>
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						For lack of a better analogy, the upcoming budget &ndash; and the prevailing economic orthodoxy in general &ndash; could be thought of as reducing the cost of producing a car by getting rid of the side impact beams, instead of the air-con unit. We know the side beams will insulate…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>And more on Budget alternatvies from <a href="http://www.greens.org.nz/misc-documents/green-budget-2011" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the Greens</a>.</p><p><q>Severe cuts risk recession. More borrowing risks a credit downgrade. We can instead raise more revenue and, in the process, help shift the economy onto a more steady footing.</p><p>Instead of selling off the last of our best state assets to raise…</q></p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q><a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/there-is-an-alternative/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">canvassing alternatives</a></q></p><p>Doh. Caffeine, stat..</p>
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						<p><q>canvassing alternatives.</q></p><p>Could we have that link again, Sacha?</p>
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						I guess economists are like lawyers too, huh?
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						They're even [[Like lemmings we’re accepting National’s framing of the budget, and marching even faster to our economic doom. Very few economists or commentators are questioning the slash and burn mind set, and looking at the alternative. Yes, there is an alternative. We can reject reductions in spending, and look…
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q> The tax cuts were supposed to cause growth (they didn’t), and the growth was supposed to pay for the cuts (it didn’t). Now here we are with record borrowing and debt instead.</q></p><p>Not a big Standard fan, but that's a pretty good summation.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Not wanting to pre-empt the Budget thread that will no doubt appear here soon, but The Standard have a post that references Keith Ng's fisking of the previous Budget, and quotes Bernard Hickey on the latest <a href="http://thestandard.org.nz/budget-castles-in-the-air/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">forecasting chicanery</a>.</p><p><q>"Every economic forecast by the Treasury underestimated the impact of an epic…</q></p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>read "our forecasts will be based on a significant uptick in tax revenue from higher wages and yet there'll still be a massive deficit"</q></p><p>It did sound rather familiar, yes. Yet many people will be cynically suckered into thinking its all about the earthquake unless the opposition and media pull…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q>On other matters &ndash; Key is saying the "budget will forecast higher wages"</q></p><p>Wow, read "our forecasts will be based on a significant uptick in tax revenue from higher wages and yet there'll still be a massive deficit".  If those forecasts are wrong, then the 2012 Budget will be even…</p>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						Key strategy &ndash; Grin and Spin
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>O. Feel silly. Of course.</p><p>(Runs away into the financial outer dark.)</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>On other matters &ndash; Key is saying the "budget will forecast higher wages"- WTFWTF?</q></p><p>For anyone with a Swiss account, that is.</p>
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						<p><q>a Mana, Greens, Labour coalition</q></p><p>.. will require them talking amongst themselves. Any sign of more respectful relationships yet?</p>
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						<p>On other matters &ndash; Key is saying the "budget will forecast higher wages"- WTFWTF?</p><p>I can forecast higher financial pain for most ANZers with more credibility than that mouthfart.</p>
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						<p><q>I don’t really care about primates bearing their teeth and grinning.</q></p><p><br />You can learn an <em>awful</em> lot about our species from learning about our very close relations. Go read Franz de Waal’s “Chimpanzee Politics” for a starter-</p>
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						<p>Interesting idea – but not among baboons as a generalisation. As I wrote earlier, I know a bit about chimps (&amp; gorillas) but have only a passing knowledge of other primates aside from our own species.<br />I’m sorry, I mis-spelt  Shirley STRUM’s name.<br />Among other primates – depends very much on…</p>
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						<p><q>  The latest joke is that based on Treasury forecast wages are going to increase rapidly – treasury really know and their the growth forecasts are so right you can bank on them.</q><br />And as JK said…<br /><q>"There is a degree of putting one’s finger in the air when it comes…</q></p>
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						<p>I don't really care about primates bearing their teeth and grinning.</p><p>Key smiles so much because the management of the economy is a joke and he gets it &ndash; after all it isn't his money &ndash; and he is laughing at his own joke.</p><p>The latest joke is that based…</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>ok, I think I've read reasonably widely to be able to back-up my opinions. But I'm not an expert.</p><p>Has anyone noticed that with primate species that do use teeth display as a means of asserting dominace/submission that it's the submissive animal that displays their teeth &ndash;  as an act…</p>
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						de Waal – who was mentored by van Hooff – and like him, majorly worked with captive groups – and van Lawick Goodall, who along with Fossey, were the first primatologists to work with primates in Africa in situ*, are complementary but <em>different</em> in their assessments & conclusions. I urge you…
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p><q>Read <br />*van Lawick Goodall<br />*de Waal</q></p><br /><br /><p>Goodall and de Waal are referenced in the article quoted above.</p><p><q>It generally does not involve 'smiles' but does involve gestures, sounds, grooming, and postures.</q></p><p>I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that the bared-teeth, up-turned corners of the mouth facial expression…</p>
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						<p>Read <br />*van Lawick Goodall<br />*de Waal<br />for how chimps signal positive sociality.<br />It generally does not involve 'smiles' but does involve gestures, sounds, grooming, and postures.</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p><q>A leetle reading on the ‘submissive/submission grin’* among primates may be helpful.</q></p><p>The first <a href="http://scan.oxfordjournals.org/content/1/3/221.fulll" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">article I linked to</a> discussed that:</p><p><q>Among primates, the function of the bared-teeth also has different meanings depending on the species and their type of social organization. Among macaques species that have despotic social systems…</q></p>
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						<p>More from the <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5010408/Wages-tipped-to-rise-Key-believes" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">whatever John says</a> file by Tracy Watkins:</p><p><q>Wages are tipped to rise strongly over the next two years, Prime Minister John Key says.</p><p>Speaking this afternoon ahead of Thursday's budget Mr Key said it would forecast strong wage and employment growth.</p><p>Mr Key would not say by…</q></p>
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						<p>A leetle reading on the ‘submissive/submission grin’* among primates may be helpful.<br />And anyone who thinks ’chimps have more egalitarian societies’* frankly has missed their extremely hierarchical nature. This includes bonobo societies which are out&amp;out matriarchies, albeit a whole lot more pleasant to be a member of than P. troglydytes. Try…</p>
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						<p><q>the persecuted white majority</q></p><p>also loudly-voiced by idiots like kyle chapman.</p>
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						<p><q>Listening to National politicians being interviewed would probably get me angry enough to be worth an extra 10kg on the bench press. </q></p><p>Slowly and with control is better for weights...perhaps some "Goff of the late afternoon" for the weight session to give a nice angry base, and switch to "Bennett…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>as espoused in a recent RNZ interview that I was listening to in the gym</q></p><p>Interesting workout strategy &ndash; I might try it.</p><p>Listening to National politicians being interviewed would probably get me angry enough to be worth an extra 10kg on the bench press. Graaaahhh! Hulk...Smash!!!</p>
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						<p><q>"the Smiling Assassin"</q></p><p>His colleagues at Merrill Lynch called him that. One of them reminded me that most were the 'big swinging dick' alpha males of that industry hardly given to fear, so it's a noteworthy epithet. A related local manifestation would be the "Tranzrail eyes" incident.</p>
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						Race and Treaty relations seem likely to be made an issue again this year. It will be interesting to see what stance opposition politicians take and how the public's memory is doing. Tapu Misa <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10725844" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">reminds us</a> of Brash's cynical whistling and the myth of the persecuted white majority (still playing in…
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						<p><q>There is a reason this man was called the "Smiling Assassin" although I see him more of a "Smirking Ass" in a suit. </q></p><p>As far as I can tell, the only person who ever referred to John Key as "the Smiling Assassin" was John Key himself in a magazine interview…</p>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q>One of the scariest things about Brash is that he hasn't changed his economic views in over 20 years. He still believes ardently in minimal regulation of the financial sector, for example, even with the evidence from the last five years.</q></p><p>Of course he does &ndash; otherwise he might actually…</p>
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						<p><q>commented that Labour does not have obvious principles informing it’s policy relative to the greens. I don’t agree.</q></p><p>Paul I said "does not appear" ... the problem is twofold I think, first is Labour are not obvious about their guiding ideals in the way that the Greens are obvious. That…</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						I'm not sure where the idea that primates baring their teeth is a threatening gesture comes from, there appears to be  <a href="http://scan.oxfordjournals.org/content/1/3/221.full" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">evidence that this is not the case</a>: <q> However, the meaning of the bared-teeth display is quite different when used by species with more egalitarian social systems, including some macaques,…</q>
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						<p><q>shudders</q></p><p>True. Not exactly a laugh-a-minute book. But powerful, yes.</p>
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						Harawira & Brash have never found themselves in a position of Realpolitik so far. It'll be interesting to see how they'll react when it punches them in their faces.
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						<p>I'm starting to wonder how much of a factor Christchurch will be in this year's election.</p><p>I don't know the answer, but I imagine that, by November, a great many people there will be have had a particularly shitty winter and will be staring to complain about things rather loudly.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>He’s so tightly wedded to his ideas that Rod Oram, as espoused in a recent RNZ interview that I was listening to in the gym, suspects he’ll really struggle with the compromises that are integral to really playing in politics.</q></p><p>Definitely – though part of wishes Harawira actually finds himself…</p>
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						<p>Eurukth!*</p><p>I havent read Kosinski's hugely powerful work for over 3 decades- "The Gardener" never did anything for me, but "The Painted Bird"?</p><p>shudders</p><p>The belief that if you can count teeth/a year of life vanishes &ndash; along with the belief that mothers lose a tooth for each child born**…</p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p>Safer not to show teeth when smiling anyway.</p><p><q>... and she never smiled. She believed that if she did so, it could give me a chance to count her teeth, and that each tooth so counted would subtract one year from her life.</q></p><p><em>Jerzy Kosinski, The Painted Bird</em></p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p><q>One of the scariest things about Brash is that he hasn’t changed his economic views in over 20 years. He still believes ardently in minimal regulation of the financial sector, for example, even with the evidence from the last five years.</q></p><p>FWIW there's a resurgence of Hayek's followers who ardently…</p>
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						<p><q>It’s not about you</q></p><p>Yes, that was... kinda my point. "I use a more old-brain response to baring of teeth" is a rather less annoying statement than "you look like a creepy fakepants with all those teeth". The latter is about me; the former is about you (the general you,…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><q>He's so tightly wedded to his ideas that Rod Oram, as espoused in a recent RNZ interview that I was listening to in the gym, suspects he'll really struggle with the compromises that are integral to really playing in politics.</q></p><p>I suspect so. Oram's earlier assessment of the first Productivity…</p>
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						<p>Yes, if one is doing sonar engineering and the like, seawater composition is very interesting.</p><p>I once had a job washing bottles in a lab that bottled and sold reference seawater &ndash; it's quite a process to avoid all contamination. (e.g. no bugs that might alter the salinity through biological…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>People are entitled to change their minds, and so are politicians</q></p><p>One of the scariest things about Brash is that he hasn't changed his economic views in over 20 years. He still believes ardently in minimal regulation of the financial sector, for example, even with the evidence from the last…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 13:12:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>I suppose it will be the Brownlee fat jokes next?</q></p><p>As usual, you suppose wrong. So, what do you think of John Key? Better? <br />Better get me a bucket.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 12:59:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Um. Some of us genuinely smile with exposed teeth. Sorry we’re harshing your mellow with our perceived creepy fakeness or whatever. </q></p><p>It’s not about you or anything you’re doing right or wrong.</p><p>Kathy Sierra talked about this in one of her Webstock presentations. The theory being that the old-brain response…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 12:31:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Creon Upton</title>
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						<p>"This receives Maskelyne's careful Smirk. He fancies it a Smile, but 'tis an Attitude of the Mouth only,-- the eyes do not engage in it, being off upon business of their own. The impression is of unrelenting wariness."</p><p>(TP, <em>M&amp;D</em>, p. 117)</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 10:47:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Actually I see that same Key smile all over town, on real estate hoardings</q></p><p>Big telescreens are probably next.</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Actually I  see that same Key smile all over town, on real estate hoardings
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 03:18:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Thomas Johnson</title>
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						<p><q>The smile is the same smile that you see on a Hyena</q></p><p>Tell us what you really think about Key Steve?  I suppose it will be the Brownlee fat jokes next?</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Heh!<br />Steve B -on this increasingly cold &amp; windy night (thank goodness &amp; human ingenuity for good ranges!) that made me laugh out loud- thanks!</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> among most primates, baring your teeth is a threat*.</q></p><p>I do find that during a confrontational situation baring the teeth can have a a disarming affect, I take them out, put them on the table and people tend to back off.<br />:-D</p>
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						<p>Smilin': ur doin it wrung. </p><p>Me too apparently. </p><p>Orthodontists the world over are weeping into their spit bowls.</p>
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						<p>Danielle &ndash; please note comments about Bill Minehan &amp; family!  I happily accept some? -a lot? of people arnt in threat-mode or camera-trained when you/they expose their teeth.</p><p>And I tautoko Sofie- the eyes <em>do</em> have it &ndash; and John Key's eyes dont. For me.</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						But Danielle, although I have never seen your face, I can believe that you would not smile unless you meant it, so teeth or not, I imagine you would come across as genuine. I find the eyes have it.
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Um. Some of us genuinely smile with exposed teeth. Sorry we're harshing your mellow with our perceived creepy fakeness or whatever. (Something else I have no control over which I can now feel slightly uncomfortable doing! Awesome.)
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						<p>Gak!<br />Also, chews his nails or has a really bad manicurist-</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 19:49:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p>I find Jacinda Ardern also smiles with what comes across as genuine pleasure, and even though her teeth are exposed,(she has big teeth) her warmth is with her smile.<br />And, as you say, the incredible smiling (nice to have) Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man makes me reach for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 19:44:30 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>The late Bill Minehan (and a lot of his 9 kids) had/have those protruding teeth &ndash; they were faithfully copied for his false ones, and never seemed threatening when he grinned- because it was an honest grin? Not a smile-for-the-camera?</p><p>Anyway, I continue very unimpressed with Mr Smile&amp;Wave to the Suckers.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 17:44:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Yep, like Islander, I check eyes first, I think they say a lot. Big teeth suggest practiced which suggest to me not genuine. When I see the big teeth, I start analysing the possibility of teeth cap, face lift or botox injections around the mouth. Square lumps on the forehead…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 17:18:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p><q> Was it Jan who used to drink about 2 litres of coca cola a day? The dodgy past of a green candidate! </q></p><p>She was. She was women’s rights officer for NZUSA, the first. She is exceptional and I learned a lot from working with her. She went on to senior…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 16:05:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>bmk</title>
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						Thanks. Glad to know that I am not alone and that is a valid reason for feeling so.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 15:59:31 +1200</pubDate>
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						You're not wrong &ndash; among most primates, baring your teeth is a threat*. Chimps have a invitation-smile(invariably accompanied by a gesture and used mainly by mothers to offspring), and when they pant-laugh, also show their teeth &ndash; but dont bare them (i.e dont draw their lips back.) Bonobos have lovely…
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>I know someone who keeps magnets down her undies to</q></p><p>Attract men with Balls of Steel?<br />Could this be Labours door knocking campaign?<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoxcZiWK79c" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoxcZiWK79c</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 15:25:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>bmk</title>
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						What I find interesting is that people are told to smile showing teeth. I never do this as it feels weird to me and find toothy smiles (unless on children) look fake. What is interesting about this is I remember reading somewhere that in the primate world showing teeth is…
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>The discomforting thing for me about Key is &ndash; the smile doesnt  match the eyes.<br />The mouth does one thing: the eyes do quite another.<br />But as you say, "People like people who smile." And a lot of people just see the smile. They dont look at the eyes...</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 14:45:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<p><q>Wasn't there an big earthquake in there somewhere? The problem with such comparisons is that there are all sorts of effects embedded in the income tax and GST take.</q><br />Yes you're definitely correct there, as in fact there were two big earthquakes in there. Perhaps Canterbury could be excluded from…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 14:28:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<q>I believe that if John Key ripped off his latex human mask to reveal the slavering raptor head underneath and ate a baby on live television, most people would chuckle and go “gosh, that cheeky bastard really knows how to eat a baby, eh?” and then carry on as normal.</q>…
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>every time I look at him or hear him speak I shudder. I need someone to deconstruct his likeability for me, because I. Don’t. Get. It.</q></p><p>How about we let Paul Henry do that?<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmtklPQn-yQ&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmtklPQn-yQ&amp;feature=related</a></p><p>There is a reason this man was called the "Smiling Assassin" although I see him…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>I predict (and I am sometimes right about the weather) that following the Budget next week Labour will launch a make or break campaign.</q></p><p>+1</p>
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						If employers are required to contribute more without receiving their contribution back as a tax credit an unintended consequence could be that employees who aren't in kiwisaver getting larger pay raises than those in kiwisaver, as the employer would think (quite justifiably imo) that the employees in kiwisaver have already…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p><q>Isn't money that is invested in kiwi saver, available for investment? which is what the government needs at the moment.</q></p><p>We have yet to see details, but from what Key said the other day the overall investment isn't changing, just the government is putting less in, and expecting employers (and…</p>
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				<title>andrew r</title>
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						<p>'not at all. there needs to be: <br />a) a movement away from naturopathy<br />b) a reimagining of policy. '</p><p>Huh ? Or more simply, you don't support much of  current green party policy ?,Or maybe you're alluding to the &ndash; woolly jumper,folky image. Think you'll find, particularly with Russell Norman…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>its just a shame he fronts a party with a large cohort of members who's version of pluralism excludes most Polynesians and is also directly proportional to an individual's credit rating.</q></p><p>Or to put it succinctly, Model Minoritarianism.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						Unthread Bart commented that Labour does not have obvious principles informing it’s policy relative to the greens. I don’t agree. I would argue it has a broader set that relate to improving social inclusion and and reducing inequity as well as developing the economy. Perhaps though, these principles are most…
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				<title>Thomas Johnson</title>
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						<p><q>1) What was the revenue raised from income tax in the six months after October 2010 and how does that compare to the same six months after October 2009?</q></p><p>Wasn't there an big earthquake in there somewhere? The problem with such comparisons is that there are all sorts of effects…</p>
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				<title>Robert Fox</title>
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						<q>Frankly, Robert, I just wanted to Hulk out and smash the Labour MPs who stoop up during the third reading of the Civil Unions Bill and told folks like me and Emma to STFU about marriage equality because, hey, we should be thankful we're allowed to sit at the back…</q>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I agree that Key probably is a pluralist, its just a shame he fronts a party with a large cohort of members who’s version of pluralism excludes most Polynesians and is also directly proportional to an individual’s credit rating.</q></p><p>Frankly, Robert, I just wanted to Hulk out and smash the…</p>
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						Heh. That's brilliant.
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						<p>Danyl</p><p>I agree that Key probably is a pluralist, its just a shame he fronts a party with a large cohort of members who's version of pluralism excludes most Polynesians  and is also directly proportional to an individual's credit rating.</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						I agree Craig, I just wonder whether Labour’s so terrified of National using the criticisms of how they’ve been handling the economy to justify further spending cuts. It’s pretty easy for National to simply say “yeah we know the deficit is massive, that’s why we need to cut x, y…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>To be fair to Labour, they’re in a bloody difficult situation with their economic arguments at the moment. The more they slam the state of the economy, the more National will use that to justify spending cuts. </q></p><p>So, Labour's not presenting any coherent policy because the National-lead Government might go…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>How they should play it, I think, is by pointing out that the huge deficit has arisen from the tax cuts given.</q></p><p>Not actually true, but never mind...I guess we've all given up on the idea of treating the electorate like grown-ups who don't have ADHD. Of course, if you…</p>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						<p><q>can someone deconstruct the reasons why people think Key is a good bloke, a nice man etc.</p><p>I know it does no good trying to convince people who think that way otherwise, but….</p><p>….I WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY THINK THAT WAY, ANYHOW!!!!!!!!</p><p>I hate things I don’t understand, and…</q></p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						So for the greens the line for me would be to commit to evidence based policy. Stay true to green ideal but only support things for which evidence exists and only oppose things when evidence of harm exists. Anecdote and supposition should not be used for policy. However, I am…
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Are they still commonly tested only on men?</q></p><p>No. But ... most older drugs were tested on men and mostly white middle class middle aged men. So a number of the older dugs have a well known (now) set of side effects on women and some ethnic groups. The most…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>I did a draft of an <a href="http://imageshack.us/f/850/holidayhighwayv051mini.jpg/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">anti-'Holiday Highway' poster</a> a few months back. Second opinions welcome.</p><p>And there must be a way to link Prostetnic Vogon Joyce to the ongoing rail problems in Wellington.</p>
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						<p><q>What Labour could also do (as I mentioned earlier in the thread) is create a powerful visual message combining images of men holding signs looking for work, with images of empty buildings covered with For Lease signs. </q></p><p>The photos of supermarket job queues are a good start. [[http://politics.guardian.co.uk/election2001/images/0,,449826,00.html|It worked for…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Gout of here...</strong><br /><q>Kruschen salts </q><br />despite the <a href="http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&amp;d=EP19370312.2.170.1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">good press</a><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_sulfate" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">MgSO4</a> hip heptahydrate that it is, <br />is  really a cosy <a href="http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=cb5G35NC0X4C&amp;pg=PA132&amp;lpg=PA132&amp;dq=kruschen+salts&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=Ut5pTdQRXS&amp;sig=Toz_EzmGu63nsnR4n6rQCV-9qWk&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=Vv3MTZG5KsrxrQem0dm7DA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=4&amp;ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&amp;q=kruschen%20salts&amp;f=false" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">nostrum</a><br />consisting mostly of that other ghastly<br />mineral &ndash; personified by that nuggety efflorescence, Rodney Hide  &ndash; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsomite" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Epsomite</a>!  <br />Scarily its crystal symmetry is 222 <br />&ndash; a third of the Anti-Christ!</p><p>Interestingly, Magnesium sulfate…</p>
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				<title>Scott A</title>
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						<p><q>Meanwhile, Don Brash's open letter to John key might be the most socially divisive rant I've ever seen from a New Zealand political leader. Winston Peters included.</p><p>It's bizarre.</q></p><p>Shorter Brash:  "John, dude, you've changed.  Remember when we we rolling on the opposition benches?  You were all about hating on…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>catch up with Australia</q></p><p>I like the suggestion of catching up with a comparable economy (Denmark, I believe was mentioned) &ndash; somewhere that isn't a giant open-cast mine.</p>
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						Sorry that sounded a bit blunt. I do my bit with evidence-based health policy already and the prospect of experimenting about this doesn't appeal. Has its place.
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						<p><q>All it needs though is a journalist or opposition MP to raise this matter but sadly I am not expecting to see it raised.</q></p><p>Actually it's one topic I'm confident they will raise. Just not necessarily communicated as well as you suggest.</p>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<p><q>Cutting research and education funding like this government have done for the last couple of years is just nuts, especially when other nations have invested more during the downturn so they come out of the blocks faster.</q><br />Yeah good point. I always thought the best way to catch up with…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Having  asked a couple of med. researcher mates &ndash; women post-menopausal & with pre-existing conditions ( e.g -arthritis!) are also excluded from all but the most specific trials = "Too many existing variables.")
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						<p><q>Not at all interested in tinkering with what I know has worked for me for many years and makes a big difference in my life just to soothe anyone else's skepticism.</q></p><p>Which is completely fair.  Skepticism isn't everyone's preferred way of understanding the world &ndash; it's what I'd do to…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>how are things going to be when we come out the other side?</q></p><p>Impoverished, in a word. Building more roads won't help. Cutting research and education funding like this government have done for the last couple of years is just nuts, especially when other nations have invested more during the…</p>
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						<p>Exactly. And considering that National have already admitted that the rise in GST didn't bring in as much revenue as they expected I would bet that the answer would be that the tax switch didn't pay for itself.</p><p>All it needs though is a journalist or opposition MP to raise…</p>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						<p><q>Are they still commonly tested only on men?</q></p><p>Having asked my friend <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">wiki</a>, apparently some trials are designed to exclude women of childbearing age, and pregnancy testing of female volunteers is done; both to reduce the potential for harm to fetuses.  This is probably why it's hard to get data…</p>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<p><q>What I’d mainly like to hear is a way out of the mess. A better future. Hope.</q><br />Yeah that would be good. Tough to see a way out though as many of the things that would normally come rescue us (high export prices, growing demand for exports etc.) don't seem…</p>
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						<p><q>make you more comfortable as you walk</q><br />Mainly sitting down during day. No significant difference in physical sensation or I would have noticed leaving the house.</p><p><q>Confirmation bias is quite an effect.</q></p><p>I know but I'm confident that's not it. Not at all interested in tinkering with what I know…</p>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<q>How they should play it, I think, is by pointing out that the huge deficit has arisen from the tax cuts given. Basically that National through these tax cuts have created a structural deficit and that cutting spending isn’t the answer but reversing the tax cuts is. They should campaign…</q>
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						<p><q>slam the state of the economy</q></p><p>What I'd mainly like to hear is a way out of the mess. A better future. Hope.</p>
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						Potentially, Sacha.  But if they're like the insoles I'm familiar with, they moderately pad your feet and make you more comfortable as you walk. Plus, you're more likely to remember your fatiguey days over the course of a couple of years when they have an explanation attached to them, than…
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						<p><q>highlighting areas of stupid spending (please start with their pork-barrel, I mean transport, policy)</q></p><p>Surely the left can join the dots between wasting money building big roads at the expense of funding public transport alternatives when petrol will never be cheaper. And spell out what sustainable transport means for our…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>We all know people who react to real meds differently, and they're well tested.</q></p><p>Are they still commonly tested only on men?</p>
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						<p><q>If you want to know if it really works for you, it's not hard to test if you blind yourself somehow. </q></p><p>Accidentally left insoles out of shoes a few times spaced over a couple of years. In each case, noticed difference in fatigue during the day before I spotted what…</p>
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						<p><q>it is some other mechanism</q></p><p>Agreed. Perhaps something more to do with energy in the body.</p>
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				<title>Rochelle</title>
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						I wrote a long post.. too long probably.. saw a mistake on preview, and lost it trying to return to it [I'll try again tomorrow.. re Integrative Health etc.
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						<p>I refer you all to Danielle's question along the lines of: can someone deconstruct the reasons why people think Key is a good bloke, a nice man etc.</p><p>I know it does no good trying to convince people who think that way otherwise, but....</p><p>....I WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY…</p>
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						How they should play it, I think, is by pointing out that the huge deficit has arisen from the tax cuts given. Basically that National through these tax cuts have created a structural deficit and that cutting spending isn't the answer but reversing the tax cuts is. They should campaign…
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						To be fair to Labour, they're in a bloody difficult situation with their economic arguments at the moment. The more they slam the state of the economy, the more National will use that to justify spending cuts. The good old "strategic deficit" approach seems to have worked a charm in…
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Heh!
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 21:29:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						I dunno, the fifth or sixth one in my linguine puttanesca last weekend didn't have much of a purpose.
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>I have learned SO much from my sisters! (O, and brothers. but that's stories other-)</p><p>Personally, I cant imagine a more ineffective use of a garlic clove...</p>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						You'd think somewhere else might be more effective.  But only marginally.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 21:15:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>ears-<br />my sister couldnt quite comprehend any damn thing about that either<br />(and, obviously, the girl was still pregnant. O, <em>birthing</em></p><p><br />That actually was bettered in my sisters' experience by both of them having &ndash; many years separated &ndash; 2 clients who assumed &ndash; goodness! whatever  happened to good lessons…</p>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						Stuffed them into her <em>what</em>?
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						One of my midwife sisters once had a (very young) client who believed stuffing garlic cloves into her ears prevented pregnancy...
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						I know someone who keeps magnets down her undies to stave off menopause symptoms. True story.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 20:49:31 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>One of the things I did, before buying into the omega3/6 &amp; chrondroitin ...shall we say, experiment?<br />was to practise on myself.<br />When the family curse (osteo) first occurred, I realised that<br />a)being of Scots descent<br />b)being of Southern Maori descent and<br />c)especially having broken many bones during my life to…</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>It would be interesting to have a reality-based scale for all the political parties.</q></p><p>Of course, reality has a well-known liberal bias.</p>
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				<title>bmk</title>
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						<p>I simply find it puzzling ( and slightly saddening) how otherwise intelligent people can fall for obvious snake oil. A fellow third-year student, in the IS degree I am doing, has taken to wearing one of those silicone bracelet things.</p><p>I politely asked him if he found it beneficial and…</p>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						If you're making a claim at a population level you need a proper sample size. But mostly what fans of alt med say is that it works "for them".  If you want to know if it really works for you, it's not hard to test if you blind yourself somehow.…
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>Like James, I’m a member, and I’m thinking of putting up a workshop at the next policy conference with the proposition that “evidence-based policy” becomes a fifth principle. That should generate a good discussion!</q></p><p>Ooh please do. It'll be one more excuse for me to go.</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Not being rude to anyone (my long-dead but still-loved Nanna believed in her magnetic bracelet for diminishing the effects of her &ndash; very severe- osteo AND rheumatoid arthritis) but I would still suggest the "some other mechanism" is either<br />a)belief, or<br />b)given the fact that we are a relatively huge(in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>JLM</title>
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						<p>True, not that I think that snippet of GP policy does that. </p><p>Like James, I'm a member, and I'm thinking of putting up a workshop at the next policy conference with the proposition that "evidence-based policy" becomes a fifth principle.  That should generate a good discussion!</p><p>I see Tim Watkin…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 20:24:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						But Sofie I want a perfect politician :)
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 20:21:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						If magnets worked that way then MRIs would kill you &ndash; very very messily. If they work it is some other mechanism.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Close but not quite right. You just need to expand your sample size to the point where you get statistically significant data. Often the biggest problem I have with alternative medicine is n = 1.</p><p>When you get significant data it stops being alternative and becomes part of the establishment.…</p>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						It's one thing to let your patients do coffee enemas or whatever floats their boat, because you'd rather they do that than ditch you and run off to a clinic in Mexico; it's another to treat unproven medicine as equivalently deserving of the status of proven medicine, or funding it…
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				<title>JLM</title>
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						<p><q>Agreed Rich. Pharmac has been one of the most powerful tools for optimising the use of money in health care and screwing those folks over the way National did simply to buy votes was despicable.</q></p><p>I know someone who voted National because of that policy, in tears because she was…</p>
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						<p><q>I’d suggest the view of the less-hippy Greens (and of many doctors) is that if people want to indulge in quackery and it makes them happy, they should do so.</q></p><p>I've sat in on lectures and demonstrations where a much respected and strongly research based oncologist has said that to…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>once they ditch The Kedge they could be very respectable</q></p><p>She's retiring at the election.</p>
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				<title>Dave Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Meanwhile, Don Brash's open letter to John key might be the most socially divisive rant I've ever seen from a New Zealand political leader. Winston Peters included.</p><p>It's bizarre.</q></p><p><br />I refer you to item 6.......<br /><a href="http://www.imperatorfish.com/2011/04/what-next-for-don-brash.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.imperatorfish.com/2011/04/what-next-for-don-brash.html</a></p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Havent seen it before &ndash; a goodie-
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Also, I like bits of the Greens. I like bits of Labour.None are perfect. I think together we get a pretty good mix to the left. Don't mind that ,glad we got MMP.To have to choose between that and a mix of National, Act, with kiss arse Maori Party and…
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						<p>This is very very pretty and useful, and may have already been posted somewhere here:<br /><a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/snake-oil-supplements/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/play/snake-oil-supplements/</a></p>
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