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Shane Le Brun

Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:24:46 +1300

the one thing with small business versus big cannabis is costs to implement quality control and economies of scale. without export, nz companies could only thrive in the medical space with economies of scale from a rec market.
For this reason I support a model that is big cannabis, but…

Craig Young

Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:15:29 +1300

One thing to remember about Bob M is that there are some very easy ways to call his bluff. Namely, these
(i) Relevant qualifications: Bob's tertiary qualifications are in accountancy and tax policy. Now, I have no doubt that this means excellent fiscal discipline within Family First, but these aren't…

Northshoreguynz

Tue, 16 Oct 2018 06:03:37 +1300

Pretty sure it was The Spinoff.

Neil

Tue, 16 Oct 2018 00:59:04 +1300

One part of this debate that could do with a bit more attention is the effect of drug use on acute health services. Emergency Departments and acute mental health services are now regularly turned into battle zones by people high on various substances, placing many people at risk of serious…

mark taslov

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:09:32 +1300

Hi Russell, I’d missed that Matters of Substance story on the nature of a referendum question, but I was struck reading it by the overriding emphasis on a single question around e.g. "a specific proposal as an alternative to the status quo" most likely already __"drafted and passed by the…

Russell Brown

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 19:54:46 +1300

But I think he has a point about big marijuana, everything in this country has been moving away from small, local and sustainable for donkeys years. I think it’s going to be a bloody battle to see who controls the pot.

The Drug Foundation's model policy provides some good direction,…

william blake

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:45:14 +1300

But I think he has a point about big marijuana, everything in this country has been moving away from small, local and sustainable for donkeys years. I think it's going to be a bloody battle to see who controls the pot. There are rich people already setting up shop and…

Peter Darlington

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 17:01:51 +1300

An excellent point. In my defence, there were a lot of claims that needed addressing in 11 minutes.

Oh for sure, I was pointing out my surprise that neither Chloe or Corin jumped in & hit him up about it during the broadcast. Seemed to be one gaping hole (of many)…

Nick Russell

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:32:49 +1300

Heh, I read the headline and thought this post was going to be about this...

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/15-10-2018/what-the-hell-just-happened-the-jami-lee-ross-vs-simon-bridges-leakwar-explained/

Euan Mason

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:26:27 +1300

Thanks for this. I have been quite skeptical about legalising cannabis, because smoking pot is a dumb thing to do IMO, but after listening to Chloe v Bob, I've changed my mind. I still think it's a dumb thing to do, but treating it as a health issue rather than…

Russell Brown

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:11:44 +1300

He seemed to be missing the logic that anti-smoking campaigns only work because smoking is legal

An excellent point. In my defence, there were a lot of claims that needed addressing in 11 minutes.

Russell Brown

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:10:39 +1300

I think that’s a really important part of this – we really need a system that allows for change as we figure out what works well in NZ and what doesn’t. Too often we establish a law and then leave no ability to modify it as we learn.

I agree…

Russell Brown

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 14:03:23 +1300

It would have been odd for the question to seek repeal. The question for the referendum and proceess for holding it started well before the law was passed.

Fair enough, I did puzzle over how to phrase it. Would "didn't seek a specific legislative outcome" be closer?

Bart Janssen

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:55:28 +1300

There was a really good long read (somewhere, but damned if I can remember) about Portugal's experience. Really clear that they were desperate to find a better way than having people dying on then streets. Really honest about what they got right and more importantly what they didn't get right…

Peter Darlington

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:49:22 +1300

Was surprised the other 2 didn't pick up on McCoskrie's continuing referral to successful anti-smoking campaigns as providing a guide as to how we might tackle lowering drug demand and use. He seemed to be missing the logic that anti-smoking campaigns only work because smoking is legal so companies and…

Graeme Edgeler

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:42:47 +1300

But almost as important is the fact that the question did not explicitly seek such a repeal. It was ambiguous; it begged an opinion without actually proposing an action.

It would have been odd for the question to seek repeal. The question for the referendum and proceess for holding it…

Alfie

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:17:00 +1300

"As high as 95% (THC)..." "deaths from cannabis..."

I'd have to say, Bob McCoskrie is still a fucking idiot.

Russell Brown

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:16:04 +1300

Interestingly the Uruguay model, a country whose population and primary products based economy is very similar to NZ, does not get discussed. Since its implementation, it wiped out the black market, by offering lower prices and standardization in quality.

Good point. Although there are a few differences between there and…

Francisco Blaha

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:05:26 +1300

Shaun Lott

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 11:42:23 +1300

I happened to be living in Colorado when legalisation happened, and I can report first hand that civilised society did not come to an end. My experience of legalised recreation sales was: 1) It was tightly regulated 2) It was cheap 3) It was lucrative for the state.

Russell Brown

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 11:33:39 +1300

I'm waiting to see who will be driving the design of the referendum, how the parties in parliament will collaborate on that design (or not), how public input will be called for, etc.

Heh. You're not the only one waiting for that :-)

Dennis Frank

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 11:31:24 +1300

Excellent report, thanks Russell. I'm waiting to see who will be driving the design of the referendum, how the parties in parliament will collaborate on that design (or not), how public input will be called for, etc.

Public Address

Mon, 15 Oct 2018 11:31:24 +1300

Discussion from blog post.