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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p>So I had a think about this, particularly the fact that there are 200 SIS monitoring 30-40 people, and they need new recruits because:</p><p><q>Some of the material was so disturbing SIS agents required to view it for their job needed pastoral care.</q></p><p>And far be it from me to…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Spy boss Rebecca Kitteridge goes on a recruiting drive</q></p><p> <q>'She put herself through the assessment process to get a taste of what would-be recruits were faced with. It included role playing, where she had to enter a room, strike up a conversation with its occupants and "elicit certain information from…</q></p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p>Meanwhile the SIS working environment has become so <a href="https://www.google.co.nz/?gfe_rd=cr&amp;ei=ZhnHVYKOEaTu8weBzpugBg#newwindow=1&amp;safe=off&amp;q=scruples" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">toxic</a> that they’ve had to resort to front page PR pieces on MSM sites in order to maintain recruitment levels while dealing with same number of suspects as a year ago. </p><p><q>The Government says between 30 and 40 people are being actively watched.…</q></p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p>Lastly:</p><p><q>what I want to give is a small part of the truth shameful</p><p>believe me that Muslims are good people and welcome all people<br />and respect and help others</p><p>but when it comes down to these crimes they become crazy and take revenge at any price<br />because this is…</q></p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						I’ve online gamed alongside King89Solomon for almost 3 years now. When we first met his English was barely intelligible, but in the interim he has made significant progress. I’d never asked where he was from though I observed earlier this year that he speaks Arabic, and at some point following…
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>The rhetoric at the time always played fast and loose with what a WMD actually is.</q></p><p>Driven primarily by the US, where a pressure cooker filled with black powder and nails is a WMD, <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">by law</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:15:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						The rhetoric at the time always played fast and loose with what a WMD actually is. Chemical weapons aren't really very effective except against unsuspecting civilians (and ALL weapons are good for that purpose). They talked up that there were actual nukular weapons, because of intel (which the agent involved…
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Why didn’t “we” get rid of all the chemicals that might be able to be made into MWDs?</q><br />They do claim in that story that...<br /><q> The weapons at Muthanna had been found by UN inspectors but were dismantled with chemical stocks militarily useless and closed off in bunkers.</q><br />And any…</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>W.T.F. <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10181480/ISIL-seizes-Saddams-chemical-weapons-plant " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Chemical Weapons Production Plant taken</a>  ?<br /> <q>Islamist militants in Iraq have occupied Saddam Hussein's former chemical weapons production facility, which contains a stockpile of old chemical weapon, the US government says.</q></p><p>So. "We" invaded. Why? Cos there were MWDs. "We" didn't find much. But it seems "we"…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Meanwhile, when Chris Trotter isn't insisting he's with the Peoples' Front of Judea, he actually calls bollocks where it's needed.</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/chris-trotter/10181012/Blairs-essay-something-to-retch-over" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Blair's essay something to retch over</a></p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Except on Taiwan. Lucky little Republic of China.</q></p><p>And, of course, Hong Kong. Even after reverting to Chinese jurisdiction it's still managed to maintain some semblance of British institutional structures. And Macau, well, it's still the Vegas of the East to a certain degree.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>The obvious example is China, which made the transition from a tribal to state-based society about 1,500 years before western europe, but still hasn’t experienced anything resembling liberal democracy.</q></p><p>Except on Taiwan. Lucky little Republic of China.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:52:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>AndrewJ</title>
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						The view that societies will naturally evolve towards liberal democracy has been pretty widely discredited i thought? Just because thats what happened in western europe over several centuries, because of a variety of unique historical factors, doesn't necessarily mean the same thing will happen in very different circumstances elsewhere. The…
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				<title>SteveH</title>
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						<p><q>I wracked my brains to find a way to say that which didn’t come across as hassling Bart, which is not my intention.</p><p>I’d agree that it’s dismaying that technology is used to do stupid, evil things, but that’s pretty much half the story of technology, since we first picked…</q></p>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p>Yes, I actually know that. But it was further developed by DuPont for Nasa initially before finding a broader commercial application.</p><p>And hair-splitting about who invented what wasn't really the point of what I said. I won't say technology is "values-neutral", because there often is a specific intent &ndash; involving…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>The idea that Teflon was developed for the atomic or space programme is a bit of a myth.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Says here</a> it was developed by a chemist working on fluorinated refrigerants who set off an accidental polymerisation.</p>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						<p><q>(Tony Blair's one-way use of the internet to post his preposterous instructions for victory must surely convince even fewer. You're better off reading Giovanni's excellent Blair satire.),</q></p><p>I cast my mind back to Sectarian Bloodlust 1.0, during which a number of regressively minded individuals turned Afghanistan into a terrorist training…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>I wracked my brains to find a way to say that which didn't come across as hassling Bart, which is not my intention. </p><p>I'd agree that it's dismaying that technology is used to do stupid, evil things, but that's pretty much half the story of technology, since we first picked…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						I didn't think Bart was talking about morality at all. Look at the words used: On the one hand, technology and science. On the other, ignorance. Those are some really strange bedfellows: knowledge and a wilful, studied lack thereof.
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p><q>What I find sad, ironic and ultimately a bit terrifying is that the terrorists are using the height of modern technology and science to extend a culture that promotes and glorifies ignorance.</q></p><p>I have to say, I find this kind of idea &ndash; which is surprisingly prevalent in techie circles…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Well, from what I understand, violence generally has been trending down over time, but more liberal? Like UKIP, Front National, Tony Abbott....?</q></p><p>Or should that be <strong>il</strong>-liberal?</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I'm not sure if dropping propaganda leaflets served any useful purpose besides providing the enemy with bog paper and kindling.
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Ballsup, alright. It seems the situation in Iraq is only getting <a href="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/kurdish-turkmen-tension-rise-kirkuk-2014617122142958412.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">more complicated</a>. And now <a href="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2014/06/sri-lanka-riots-prompt-international-concern-201461752248175495.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Buddhist on Muslim violence in Sri Lanka</a> &ndash; and something tells me the situation for the Rohingya in Burma is still a long way from improving.
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<q>Meanwhile, the Iraqi government has targeted the campaign in a more direct way: by trying to shut down the communications infrastructure that was supposed to be the pride of post-invasion Iraq. Internet services have been cut off completely in several districts and the government is trying to block Facebook, YouTube,…</q>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						I'm not convinced. Especially given how quick so many nominally on the left are to jump onto anti-globalisation/nationalist/protectionist/dirty foreigners bandwagons.
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>banal thought that they should have done it in in landscape format.</q></p><p>It was good that the subtitles weren't comic sans eh.</p><p>The 'friend' who is the enemy of my enemy's enemy is indeed a friend in need..... but hang on....wasn't I fighting them last week? </p><p>Jesus! Allah! What a…</p>
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				<title>AndrewH</title>
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						It's also hard not to agree with this <a href="http://pmcarpenter.blogs.com/p_m_carpenters_commentary/2014/06/isis-and-the-us-security-state-the-most-disconcerting-story-youll-read-this-year.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">blogger</a> who calls BS on a US security apparatus which can surveil the planet and yet not read and respond to the self-published ISIS annual plans!
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				<title>Bill Bennett</title>
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						<p>Has there been any research on the effect social media has on rebel strategy and tactics? I mean in general rather than specifically to do with Isis. </p><p>If not, I suspect it would make a good Phd topic and would answer questions like: "what is the Twitter equivalent of bombers…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Also interesting to read Scott Long’s piece on the fake viral photos not coming from ISIS.</q></p><p>That <em>is</em> an interesting piece.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>UKIP < Mosley; Front National < Petain; Abbott < Bligh (William, rather than Anna).</p><p>and notably, Putin > Yeltsin  < Gorbachev < Brezhnev = Khrushchev < Stalin, mostly.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Going even further back, there was the artificial border drawing of the Sykes-Picot Agreement,</q></p><p>Funny, <a href="http://www.liberation.fr/monde/2014/06/17/en-irak-les-jihadistes-tracent-leurs-propres-frontieres_1043230" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">ISIL (or EIIL in French) has been drawing the same connection</a>.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>My point really is that, left to their own devices, people will pursue a slow, lumpy course to a less violent and more liberal society.</q></p><p>Well, from what I understand, violence generally has been trending down over time, but more liberal? Like UKIP, Front National, Tony Abbott....?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<q>Sadly all this is bunk for the usual neo-con neo-Crusader crowd, who refuse to learn from history and continue to insist on getting a bigger and more explosive hammer. Just as they believed Vietnam was lost because they thought that not enough napalm was dropped, so too do they seem…</q>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>My point really is that, left to their own devices, people will pursue a slow, lumpy course to a less violent and more liberal society.</q></p><p>Sounds about right. When the whole ISIS/ISIL thing started making the news, the first word on my mind was 'blowback'.</p><p>One of the more infamous…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>I was thinking of the date we (mostly) got over it, at least within Europe as somewhere in the early 21st century. Possibly.</p><p>But the wars of the 20th century were mostly non-religious (except in a few crannies like Northern Ireland and Bosnia).</p><p>My point really is that, left to…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>We got over it. </q></p><p>Well, sort of. The Thirty years war ended. But that was not the end of sectarian violence in Europe, not by a long shot. I don't think I'd look to Europe as the centerfold of peace on earth.</p>
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				<title>Hamish N00nan</title>
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						Also interesting to read <a href="http://paper-bird.net/2014/06/16/isis-in-iraq-real-atrocities-and-easy-fantasies/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Scott Long's piece</a> on the fake viral photos not coming from ISIS.
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						<p>Why wouldn't "terrorists" use modern devices to spread their message and propaganda?</p><p>Next the cunning buggers will use it to spy on us<br />Or impose internet filters to protect us from badies<br />oh</p><p>One has to hand it to ISIS's solution to their messaging &ndash; so much easier and cheaper…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Four hundred years ago, many of our ancestors were engaged in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years&#039;_War" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">continuous violent religious conflict</a> (that killed up to 40% of the population in some areas, way more than in any modern war).</p><p>We got over it. The people of the Middle East will, eventually. The best thing we can…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>What I find sad, ironic and ultimately a bit terrifying is that the terrorists are using the height of modern technology and science to extend a culture that promotes and glorifies ignorance.</p><p>And no I'm not saying that all of the sects have such an agenda, just the ones committing…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>” they face precisely no legal or reputational sanction for publishing.</q></p><p>This is, of course, the same morally bankrupt media culture that in this far flung iteration decided that Cameron Slater is blogger of the year.</p><p>See, people love that stuff. My flatmate can’t get enough of it on live…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Unlike, say, breaching a suppression order to publish graphic evidence in a murder trail or child abuse case. </q></p><p>That hadn't occurred to me, Craig &mdash; it's a very interesting point.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>But that presupposes that news organisations will also sign up to a campaign of not reporting news: news they’re given in a constant, multimedia stream.</q> </p><p>And let's be cold about it &mdash; "news" they face precisely no legal or reputational sanction for publishing.  Unlike, say, breaching a suppression order to…</p>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						<p>Great post. The Twitbot app explains why when I searched Kenyan trends for location details (a friend lives in Kenya) the  tweets were endlessly repetitive. </p><p>As an aside, some tweets mentioned that 'the white widow' was seen nearby very recently &mdash; a fine trigger for hysterical UK red-tops' coverage.</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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