I also doubt there's any coincidence between the density of liquor outlets in a locality, and the likelihood of civil unrest, if Detroit in 1967 and South Central L.A. in 1965 & 1992 are anything to go by.

Woah... shall I say "correlation does not imply causation"? I also doubt its…

I spoke to the bar owner about a year back and he had moved the skinz out, but it would seem no-one came back.

It's opposite CPIT & the Jazz School in Christchurch.

I also doubt there's any coincidence between the density of liquor outlets in a locality, and the likelihood of civil unrest, if Detroit in 1967 and South Central L.A. in 1965 & 1992 are anything to go by.

Those are all complex issues however. Police like to tag liquor outlets as…

I also doubt there's any coincidence between the density…

But sadly, given the poor state of bureaucracy in NZ Aotearoa, someone will simply apply in another name

That'll last as long as it takes for the police to hear that there's a new application going in, though. Then they'll file an objection and, hopefully, this new-and-improved LLA will circular-file…

Is this the first one? Will they cancel other licences? Will they show teeth?

But sadly, given the poor state of bureaucracy in NZ Aotearoa, someone will simply apply in another name – use a front company -…

The law on "not serving drunks" is wishful thinking, really.

Yes, possibly, but that's only one law of many that're obviously not being fully enforced. The one that's of far greater concern is the supply of liquor to minors, and that's one that's easily measured in an objective fashion: a…

How drunk is too drunk? Over the limit for driving? Louder and happier than normal? Vocalising stupid ideas? A bit wobbly? Annoying to other customers?

I've never been in any country overseas (including the ones usually described as having a…

Which is why any punishment the Liquor Licensing Authority (LLA) hands out will be…

Actually it is very hard to lose your liquor licence. Very hard. The Liquor Licensing Commission has never ever revoked a licence.

What this says to me is that we don't need a raised drinking age or anything else. What we need is actual enforcement of the law as it…

The interesting thing here is that Christchurch is CCTV City and has an active liquor ban operating, anywhere you want to have fun.

There is no connection between CCTV & Crime Reduction, with the exception of theft from carparks.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2923560/Violent-crime-up-in-Christchurch

Further to my warning about the Council Liquor Policy process I have received the following information;

Council staff have confirmed that consultation is still continuing; key stakeholders (police, DHB, ALAC, Hospitality industry) are being asked to make submissions.These submissions will inform advice on…

However, in my private capacity I can say the following;

I once knew a guy whose father…

Something about the atmosphere in Auckland is just different – there's simply an air of desperation and aggro hanging over it all the time. I don't feel safe in Auckland at night.

I don't know why – I'm inclined to think demographic issues play a large part.

Income inequality?

It was a standing trans-tasman joke in the record industry as to how few copies of the more interesting things that labels had to offer were sold in Australia....say a Massive Attack record or a reggae disc which would sell in the low hundreds Australia wide and in the tens…

Milling around outside, you were brought to your senses by some guy in a balaclava holding an assault rifle stepping out of the bushes and telling you that you were not allowed to walk this way.

Yeah, a few pubs in South Armagh used to be like that.

they are entitled to contribute the benefit of their experience to the people who do decide the policy, though

Yes, in the form of a properly argued submission to the Minister / Select Committee available through the proper channels. Not in the form of sensationalist media outpourings.

Or rent-a-cops who seem more interested in causing trouble than stopping it.

I've had interesting discussions with an ex-Matrix guard of my acquaintance, who strongly suggests that a lot of the Matrix officers (many of whom are or used to be ex cops) are in it for the chance to…

Gotta challenge that, at least for Melbourne's sake.

Like I said, a little out of touch as my experience was half a decade or more back and I'm aware things have changed. Melbourne has always been the restaurant capital of Australasia, and had a great bar or two but I…

By a country mile. Especially as opposed to Orwell-esque cop-out surveillance cameras.

Or rent-a-cops who seem more interested in causing trouble than stopping it.

Milling around outside, you were brought to your senses by some guy in a balaclava holding an assault rifle stepping out of the bushes and telling you that you were not allowed to walk this way.

Guaranteed to sober most people up.

I remember when Newmarket got its foot patrols back, crime dropped significantly and permanently in the area around Broadway. There's a lot to be said for police officers being right there on the pavement with the general public.

By a country mile. Especially as opposed to Orwell-esque cop-out surveillance cameras.

Sorry, what?! They're actually not under licensing law?

Yup, see the story that Craig originally linked to.

a LOT of Police officers walking the beat and a pronounced lack of aggro.

This is one thing that I think is nice about the Auckland CBD. The cops are out on foot, and are approachable – as witnessed by a friend's photo on Facebook of her and some drunk…

police bars.

The suggestion to bring them under the licensing law is a good one.

Sorry, what?! They're actually not under licensing law? For fuck's sake! Does that apply to any private bar (such as sporting clubs and volunteer fire brigades), or is it something that's peculiar to the police?…

Heh. Clearly you haven't spent enough time in police bars.

Heh, I recall a tournament I went to once where the police team made such arseholes of themselves during the partying that they were never invited back. I've got a vivid imprint of a friend of mine being hurled headfirst…

Gotta challenge that, at least for Melbourne's sake.

Certainly — Saturday night was Grand Final day, and one thing I noticed on my way back from dinner in the CBD where we were staying is that there were a lot of people on the street, a LOT of (relatively low-key)…

But one might think a fraking instructor at the Police College (presumably a senior officer of some experience and judgment) would not get grossly intoxicated with his students; and a bar on the grounds of the Police College itself would be more than usually scrupulous about obeying the law.

Heh.…

and a bar on the grounds of the Police College itself would be more than usually scrupulous about obeying the law

Yes, that aspect of it did surprise me. Having spent a week there for a course at the beginning of the month (in no way related to the Police,…

As for the cops and DUI, I doubt you'll find much support for him within the police

I certainly hope not, Matthew. But one might think a fraking instructor at the Police College (presumably a senior officer of some experience and judgment) would not get grossly intoxicated with his students;…

As…

But, then again, one suspects that Bhatnager's perspective is that anything that doesn't come from a composer who's been dead hundreds of years, or is backed by a major record label, ain't worth hearing.

That rings a bell...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGS3cVWW2oU

fostering our cultural identity as something other than as a bunch of Ed Hillary mini-me’s

Speaking of whom:

He passed away more than 18 months ago but Sir Edmund Hillary still tops the list of the greatest living New Zealanders, according to a recent poll.

the "real" New Zealand is out there in the provinces, as if real New Zealanders spend their lives doing bunging jumping hakas onto jetboats that are zooming across the surface of active volcanoes.

Ha, you get that here in Bali...the flow of folks who wander up to the hills and…

the "real" New Zealand is out there in the provinces, as if real New Zealanders spend their lives doing bunging jumping hakas onto jetboats that are zooming across the surface of active volcanoes.

Was the jetboat driven by a sheep?

Our various "mainstream" cultural exports have mostly come out of performances in licensed premises, frequently at hours that, according to the draft policy, shouldn't exist.

There is also a massive intangible benefit of helping retain your twenty something urbanistas. I must know two dozen or more high achieving, beautiful, and…

I do think that the fostering of a vibrant and thriving nightlife in our only city is every bit as important to our sense of identity and national pride as any sterile art gallery or dreary museum

Absolutely. Our various "mainstream" cultural exports have mostly come out of performances in…

what the hell do you have to do to actually lose your liquor license in this country?

Good question. One that I think you'd need to ask the judiciary, not the cops. Revoking liquor licences goes through the courts – due process and other such commie nonsense – rather than…

As for the cops, Tom, they'd rather stop all drinking (as opposed to going back to the "swill") because they spend so much time cleaning up the mess. Same with ER doctors.

It was more in the "a curse on all their houses" mode.

After reading Simon Grigg's post it…

As for the cops, Tom, they'd rather stop all drinking (as opposed to going back to the "swill") because they spend so much time cleaning up the mess.

Oh, cry me a fraking river... I'd have a damn sight more sympathy if the laws currently on the books were being…

Do tell how you guy achieved this!

CHRISTCHURCH NEEDS YOU!

www.soac.org.nz

Saturdays Press had a Resources Cosent request to subdivide the Arts Centre into six titles to further develop a Cultural 1 Pricinct. YOUR HERITAGE.

Info the Press have refused to publish: The margin for error of…

Welcome to the Ninny State (sic) at work. At least "bleeding heart nanny statists" are transparent about their policy.

look at things like at least ameliorating the worst of bad planning by offering to subsidise the retro-fitting of double or triple glazing and air conditioning in inner city apartments

With an irrevocable, non-negotiable clause in the agreement being that there will be no complaints related to ordinary noise related…

there's a major review of licensing laws in train and one would have thought it would be sensible for councils to hold on until they know what they're working with

In which case, why didn't they bloody wait until it was completed before first starting down the road of poorly-considered…

"cock-up trumps conspiracy"

Not mututally exclusive in this case. A fair dose of political agenda in the stuffing up, it appears.

They scrapped the whole thing, because of objections to the on-licence parts? I'm smelling something that's almost as bad, but not quite, coming in as a "Look, we listened to your objections, and this isn't as draconian as the old one" policy.

Perhaps I'm still too jet-lagged for Banks-related paranoia,…

Shaping up for a classic case of "overreach with this, then achieve what you actually want with the barely-more-moderate replacement"

To be fair, they've now said they're waiting on the national Law Commission review in March 2010 (local election year). Your suggestion would be more than reasonable if they were…

Mr Banks, who wants to be the first mayor of the Super City next year, said he had no doubt the liquor issue would have damaged a key constituency – the hospitality industry – with which he had a long association.

more of a Viaduct guy

Simon pegs other Council representatives as frequenters of that sophisticated licensed establishment, Cobb & Co.

Banks orders Bhatnagar to ditch the proposed licensing laws, Bhatnagar blames council officers, asks how he could have known that his idea would be so unpopular.

(Oh yes. Who knew that a law so pointlessly prescriptive that it would have forced suburban restaurants to hire bouncers…

It's not uncommon in IP law for the UK cases to be cited – most of the relevant acts share a common root.

In some cases, the teachings of UK cases have been followed by an NZ court, and thus become part of NZ law directly.

Well, it's not all…

if the scanning process involves some judgement about things like lighting, contrast etc

I am unaware of any copying process that fails that test at the level of professionalism Gordon refers to. Unless someone can tell us about a case of a library or other repository batch scanning archived images…

It's the kind of thing that'd be settled long before it made it before a judge.

Most likely.Only a tiny percentage of disputes ever go to trial.

There'll be precious little case law on it in any jurisdiction that "matters" (ie: that constitutes "persuasive" for NZ courts), I suspect. It's the kind of thing that'd be settled long before it made it before a judge.

It's not uncommon in IP law for the UK cases to be…

Unless the reproduction is in some way different to the original it is arguable that no new copyright work arises in the reproduction.
...
But ultimately though it's for a court to decide. I'm not aware of any NZ case law on the issue.

There'll be precious little case law…

Second, making a high-quality copy does take labour and skill and thought and care by highly-trained professionals. It really does. I've seen it.

Agreed. So does, for example, replacing a gearbox, but neither should be considered a "creative work."

First, what is an original? The digital images and physical prints of archival images you get from the National Library these days are often digitised from the original negative. So the digitised version is just as "original" as the paper version (i.e. the actual original…

Um, IANAL, but firstly, isn't there such a thing as collection copyright in some jurisdictions – e.g. a copyright in a collection of information that has required skilled input to accumulate and catalogue?

Copyright can subsist in a compilation, but infringement only occurs if a substantial part of that compilation…

Secondly, if the original photographs are under the control of someone (such as the ACC) can they not set contractual terms on anyone gaining access to them? That isn't copyright, but (if the contract is properly agreed to) it is enforceable?

Yes, but not by using a copyright statement..

Darroch's Law

Striking new show where an idealistic environmentalist navigates an arid bureaucracy.

The part they didn't do was to turn the rest of it into a matching dancehall venue.

Isn't part of the attraction that it's a pub? There are proper theatre-style venues, like the Studio, but I think the KA has more character. The Barfhouse in Wellington is similar.

Secondly, if the original photographs are under the control of someone (such as the ACC) can they…

For sure they would have an interest in improving the place, but you could hardly argue that being constantly packed out is bad for business. And it is constantly packed out, and that's what the complaints here are about.

It's not always packed out; far from it, and the crowd…

Henceforth: Darroch's Law.

Ha, win. And as a bonus this is post 666.

For sure they would have an interest in improving the place, but…

I would like to propose a law: "As a Public Address discussion grows longer, the probability of the discussion involving copyright approaches 1"

Henceforth: Darroch's Law.

For a good summary of the history…

I would like to propose a law: "As a Public Address discussion grows longer, the probability of the discussion involving copyright approaches 1"

I do agree a photo of a photo/artwork, where the photographer…

I don't want to be arguing with a law professor, as I'm sure he knows his stuff, but…

The process of scanning an image certainly is making a new original. It's not the same as the original, though it will look similar.

Here's my completely uninformed take on it...

Whether a scan of a photograph does or does not constitute a "copy" or a "new work" could be…

I should note, this hasn't been properly tested in court, so this was his best practice advice.

Right, but bear in mind that such best practice advice is there to keep the client, as much as possible, out of legal disputes. This is a different thing from advising whether a…

No one ever thinks of the candlestick maker.

Your campaign has borne fruit. He pops up in a story (unillustrated) about a certain local parade o porn stars.

Trouble getting to the bar is usually because too many people are at the bar.

Don't know whether you are familiar with the KA but, as mentioned above, this is not the problem. When it's packed you can't move anywhere without great difficulty.

I intend to do more research of my own (by which I mean ask someone) when I get a chance.

It's not a copy. The original is a photo. The image on the web site is published and therefore a new original. By scanning it and republishing it you have ownership…

Anecdata: I have never bought a drink at the King's Arms. Not once. The sheer horror of getting to the bar is too much.

I shamelessly try and get other people to go to the bar for me.

Considering how many of the commenters mentioned difficulty getting to the bar, that's not necessarily the case...

90% head-count and +50% drink sales might be a better better proposition?

Might be. Might also not work out like that. Trouble getting to the bar is usually because too many people are…

Having the place packed is the optimal profit situation for them, so it's not in their interests in either the short or the long term to just cut back on the number of paying customers.

Considering how many of the commenters mentioned difficulty getting to the bar, that's not necessarily…

[regarding Bhatnagar's plan for a compulsory 50:1 punter/bouncer ratio] This really does not make any sense.

I guess it's a form of outdoor relief for the thug fraternity, funded by a tax on entertainment.

So if a bar has a fire limit of 500, it'll need 10 bouncers? What will…

a few more gigs timed to allow one to enjoy the music

Kraftwerk came on at 8.30 on the dot. I was asleep by 10.30! Another reason why they rule. (Yes, I am a nana. I accept it. If you people don't give me, um, some *pharmaceutical help*, I'm going…

Trouble is, it's most often an issue at the shows by touring international acts that music-lovers do want to come to, presold at $50 a ticket.

That certainly is trouble for those people. But seeing from the KA's point of view, why would they particularly care? If the place is…

Try having a nap before you go out, get hard or just go home, but FFS stop moaning about it like a bunch of old Nana's.

Well, I'm glad I didn't speak up earlier for at least a few more gigs timed to allow one to enjoy the music, then…

the nap beforehand is a sound scheme which I practise when I can

Napping just makes me cranky. It's like my body is annoyed I didn't do the sleep thing properly.

try going out in Madrid or even Santiago before midnight. Try having a nap before you go out, get hard or just go home, but FFS stop moaning about it like a bunch of old Nana's.

Yes, do not express your dislike of things I like! It is wrong! I…

We have a late…

Which would be a nice change indeed.

i think it's a vicious cycle that started in the late 90s, the crowed wanted to seem cool by being fashionably late and so the bands just waited till they showed up now it's the norm and no one can change it.

Yup, I think most of the KA's problems…

...in suburban areas there was the potential for booze barns and the negative effects on neighbours.

Does he not see that is exactly what he is about to create in all these "entertainment…

Trained security guards will be posted outside top Auckland restaurants such as the French Cafe, Cibo and Merediths under planned city council liquor law changes.

Because these restaurants are classed as "suburban" on-licence premises by the…

What is wrong with 8pm, FFS?

I'll compromise for 9pm, then working class late nighters can join in.It can be rather tiring when one is expected to be hyped up at midnight for a gig when go fast drugs aint an option of choice.
As an aside,the Meridian laser across…

What is wrong with 8pm, FFS?

Went and saw a DJ in Bangkok last Saturday night (Diplo, and yes he was fantastic thanks, even if I was the sad old guy at at the end of the bar, which I'm used to now but refuse to stop listening) and he…

Sounds like a good idea to me; gigs that are over by 11pm would mean you could get home at a reasonable hour in time for work the next day.

Ah, those were the days ...

so maybe an 11 o'clock swill? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_o'clock_swill

Simon, I would have thought that maintaining two days worth of anything other than Bintang would be difficult in Bali. You have my sympathy!

Indeed, it's a bloody desert out there and getting worse, unless you enjoy Chilean paintstripper at $70 a bottle. Which, blissfully, is why I'm in Bangkok…

Also I think they made the stage…

I think the Kingsarms has a few issues as a venue but it also has history and will always be a classic place to play. I think they need to re-arrange it or lower the limit though. When its sold out its almost unbearable.

This has been a useful conversation.…

But yes to Russell's gripe. It's often silly how restrictive these things are, particularly when the only copyright on the image is the one currently being applied by the library. The copyright on the original has now lapsed.

Copyright is possibly not the main issue here. Most libraries and archives…

isn't [it] really really rude that they have special allowances for the RWC?

No, that's how it works. If the mainstream establishment want to do something, then it's ok, however much yobbishness and disruption it might involve. Same as All Blacks are allowed to beat people up and get a…

Its an outrage!

I think…

Kyle, I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.

Trust me. I run a database of about 20,000 images of artwork, which is, umm, legally borderline. We get away with educational purposes, but I've spent several hours meeting with people in the School of Law to find a way through it.

Putting an…

So I can't go in and scan a copy myself? Surely, if the original is out of copyright that wouldn't be a problem ...

I frankly don't have a lot of patience with public archives getting pernickety over what happens to low-resolution images on websites. It's silly.

You can go…

They hold copyright over the version that they've scanned and put on the web site.

Kyle, I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.

Your interpretation would apply to, for example, a piece of music (a cover version, for example), because you are producing a work that has some originality – you've added…

Has anyone considered, you know, complaining to the bodies that actually set the capacity? Like the Council and/or the Fire Service?
What's been described previously sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, which is the whole point of restricting capacity in the first…

What's been described previously sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, which is the whole point of restricting capacity in the first place. If people can barely move, that's a venue that's a panicked shout of "Fire" away from deaths by crushing/asphyxiation.

That's an issue of concern.

The difference between…

I'm not a lawyer, so I may be wrong, but Section 14 of the Act (don't you love legislation.govt.nz?) would seem pretty clearly…

taking advantage of the out-of-whack official capacity of the King's Arms

Has anyone considered, you know, complaining to the bodies that actually set the capacity? Like the Council and/or the Fire Service?
What's been described previously sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, which is the whole point of restricting…

Yes. It is officially No Fun to be at when this happens. If you were a savvy promoter, you'd charge everyone $5 or $10 more, and say "limited capacity" so people know that they will actually be able to see the stage.

They actually did this well at the MGMT…

In much the same way that a photographer holds copyright over a photo taken of Mona Lisa.

But that would be a creative work. Don't know if just scanning something should really be considered as being in the same category.

"This image is not to be reproduced in any form without permission of Auckland City Libraries"

Which is kinda dumb, because we all just copied and reproduced it on our computer screens.

@Kyle

You can use the photo, you just have to find your own original.

So I can't go…

(Maybe Paul Brislen will pop up to deny..)

But has anyone else found themselves vowing never to return to the King's Arms after an international gig in the past year or two?

Yes. It is officially No Fun to be at when this happens. If you were a savvy promoter, you'd charge everyone $5 or $10 more, and…

Although it always grates to see institutions imposing rights over images where the copyright has expired. They've decided that the images are protected by commercial license.

They hold copyright over the version that they've scanned and put on the web site.

You can use the photo, you just have to…

I always make sure I have enough booze at home to last at least 2 days.

But what will happen in a civil defence emergency? Y'know, earthquake, volcano, cyclone, running out of alcohol and the like?

Hey, serious thought, Iain Lees-Galloway over at Red Alert has a thread going on…

A commenter over at The Hand Mirror suggested recently that now we have the Evil Stepfather State.

I like that. I've been thinking, Bully State.

photo of the King's Arms from the late 19th century

Awesome!

Although it always grates to see institutions imposing rights over images where the copyright has expired. They've decided that the images are protected by commercial license.

"This image is not to be reproduced in any form without permission of…

Sounds like a good idea to me; gigs that are over by 11pm would mean you could get home at a reasonable hour in time for work the next day.

Ah, those were the days ...

There is a 12 noon, and a 12 midnight.

Graeme, you are a pedantic curmudgeon. I'm proud there is another like me who insists on writing 12 noon (or midday)

P.

You need more forward planning. I always make sure I have enough booze at home to last at least 2 days.

And then those friends turn up..y'know...the ones who come bringing chocolate but stay for frigging hours having just one more....

Chris has kind of answered this above, but I think it depends on the zoning more than what's there.

When we first ran a club in High Street we had no problems with noise. There was virtually nothing in the way of residential in the inner city unless you went…

I don't really see how it's anyone else's business if I want to buy a six pack or a bottle of wine at 10.05pm. Or at any other time of day for that matter.

Aside from your wife that is.

You need more forward planning. I always make sure I…

Edit: a reference. I think we can trust Greenwich on something like this:

Does seem to be a slightly controversial point. Some usages have put midday as 12pm, particularly in America. Also, using midnight is not necessarily perfectly disambiguating, because every day has two of those, one at each end.…

The fact that there might already be businesses or residents there doing whatever, doesn't prevent someone stepping in, building stuff, and then pointing to the zoning laws and saying "um, you can't do that anymore".

I always think of these lovely 'old' dears who moved into new apartments in Parnell…

Lanterns, along with the corner location, were a licensing requirement – it was a cheap way for the authorities to get street lighting and to hopefully attract a better class of boozer to the neighbourhood.

Maybe aiming to dispel a few bug-hunters as well...

photo of the King's Arms from the late 19th century

Awesome!

Surely if you choose to move in next to a long established live venue it's incumbent upon you or the developer to soundproof the housing, rather than the venue to keep your peace?

Chris has kind of answered this above, but I think it depends on the zoning more than…

I'm not convinced that the definition of "good", the hours, or the parts of the city are properly defined here…

they could stay open until 12pm.

Sweet as. That's an extra 13 hours.

There is no 12pm. There is a 12 noon, and a 12 midnight. 12 ante meridiem makes no sense, and nor does 12 post meridiem. 12 midday, and perhaps even 12 meridiem could work, but suggesting that…

No one ever thinks of the candlestick maker.

Well between carbon footprint compliance and lighting efficiency regulations .....

I think Kingsland is a designated "zone" under the proposal, which does seem kind of strange in that it is highly residential...

Phew, I must have missed that. Having now read the proposal, the whole thing stinks of doctrinaire authoritarianism. Would our natural "entertainment precincts" have developed if they had…

Christopher, you must be developing some fairly muscular arms from the repeated hat movements...

As it is the draft policy means that pokie machine numbers will be stable (not fall), and will locate in areas less deprived – likely to be the Avondales, Onehungas, Mt Wellingtons, Sandringhams, etc.

I'm glad to hear Avondale is OK for pokies. They make a nice accompaniment for the…

No one ever thinks of the candlestick maker.

Engineer, y'see.

they could stay open until 12pm.

Sweet as. That's an extra 13 hours.

Forcing off-licences, including supermarkets, to close at 10pm is a wildly good idea.

I don't really see how it's anyone else's business if I want to buy a six pack or a bottle of wine at 10.05pm.…

No one ever thinks of the candlestick maker.

He was never a very bright fellow.

Just whilst we're dissecting Auckland City Council policy, what think you all of the proposed new pokie rules? I had a go at working out the implications but am sure some of you could do a much better job.

Sticking on my ER hat again...

Cits'n'Rats wanted to liberalise this…

Surely if you choose to move in next to a long established live venue it's incumbent upon you or the developer to soundproof the housing, rather than the venue to keep your peace?

Ask Auckland Airport how they feel about people who build/buy under the approach and departure paths and…

Booze barns need space so there goes the butcher, baker and bookshop owner.

No one ever thinks of the candlestick maker.

Just whilst we're dissecting Auckland City Council policy, what think you all of the proposed new pokie rules? I had a go at working out the implications but am sure some of you could do a much better job.

Sam, reading over that site I don't see any real issues.…

I am not particularly surprised at this policy, and how it has unfolded. Given that I have pointed out to the policy writer that in effect the policy creates areas of high profit (entertainment precincts that close at 3am) versus areas of low profit (everywhere…

Hi all,

There is some significant misunderstanding about what is being proposed and is out for consultation.

1. It is proposed that a licensee in a suburb would only have an 11pm closing if they didn't meet certain…

It is 30 seconds walk outside of the Hobson (C&R, C&R, C&R) ward and 30 seconds inside of the Eden-Albert (CV, CV, Focus Eden) ward.

Far out. I did not know that.