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				<title>Mark Proffit</title>
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						<p>I finally got to read the Mary Jane Boland "Gay Wrong" article online &amp; then here response to Chris Lawrence's letter:</p><blockquote><p>Mary Jane Boland responds: Lawrence is correct. None of the experts interviewed – including those at the Human Rights Commission – explained charitable trusts are exempt from the act. However,…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						For me 'Red River Shore' is the standout. A bit early in the listening cycle to say,  but this could be a 'great' Bob Dylan song. Hard to believe but like 'Blind Willie McTell' this one has been quietly maturing in the vaults and has now been released for general…
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						I hope there's a few tunes in there that you enjoy Paul :)
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:47:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						Thanks Bob!
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:34:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<blockquote><p>On a happier note, you might want to pop over to Bob Dylan's website for your free download of 'Dreamin' of You', from his forthcoming album Tell Tale Signs, No.8 in the Bootleg Series of rare and unreleased material.</p></blockquote><p>The full two disc set is now streaming on[[http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95047293 | NPR…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:02:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,1398,discussion_on_copyright.sm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">I made you a copyright thread</a>.</p><p>I'll invite some other clever people to come in and we'll work out a way to get a resource from it, as well as a debate.</p><p>Go play.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I, finally, got around to reading Trotters piece.<br />He is, totally, correct in his assumption of a which hunt on Peters as a smear on Labour and its supporters. Anyone that dissagrees with this is a gullable muppet.<br />Vote Labour, keep the faith.</p></blockquote><p>The funny thing is, Steve, I'm never…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:54:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>If the sole benefit is the work's existence, then surely the second a book goes out of print, or a painting is sold, copyright should cease to exist? After all, the artist has now received as much money for the work as they ever will</em></p><p>No, artists can continue to…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:45:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:02:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>I, finally, got around to reading Trotters piece.<br />He is, totally, correct in his assumption of a which hunt on Peters as a smear on Labour and its supporters. Anyone that dissagrees with this is a gullable muppet.<br />Vote Labour, keep the faith.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:30:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If the sole benefit is the work's existence, then surely the second a book goes out of print, or a painting is sold, copyright should cease to exist? After all, the artist has now received as much money for the work as they ever will</p></blockquote><p>No, artists can continue to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:46:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p>I should note that I'm using artist in the broad sense of any creative type, mainly.</p><p>(I'm ignoring folk art as being special, basically.)</p>
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				<title>Kerry Weston</title>
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						Okay,  so there's a copyright law &ndash; how many artists sue for copyright infringement in NZ?  I'm thinking small time stuff here &ndash; as an example, I saw fake paintings being sold at a market for about $50 each. These were photos of real paintings done by real artists, put…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:16:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>Good</em> ideas are also in short supply, and are therefore valuable.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, they are. But if you happen to have the good idea first, and I can't prove that I had it without being exposed to your work (and with the internet, that's a pretty tough ask), then you've got…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Because artists are denied the immediate lump sum payment corresponding to the long term advantage that society derives from their work. In exchange, artists are promised that society will pay when the work is used. The artist earned the money at the point of creation, and then receives that over…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:41:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not directly, no, but I've asked several times why the family of an artist should be entitled to this state-sanctioned income stream that isn't available to others who may be subsisting through their income-earning years.</p></blockquote><p>Because artists are denied the immediate lump sum payment corresponding to the long term advantage…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:10:36 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>MP,<br />Well, whatever you like, but I can't see how physical scarcity has anything at all to do with this. <em>Good</em> ideas are also in short supply, and are therefore valuable.</p><p>As far as life-plus-70 goes though, I agree; that's b.s.</p><p>I suspect we're a little bit at cross-purposes, and…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The point is that if you create a house or an artwork, you should, normally, be able to retain the income from it. The Supply of land has as much to do with this as does the supply of pencils.</p></blockquote><p>If you want to try and conflate IP and real…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:42:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>The families of artists who earn very little from their work are more important than the families of other low-income earners,</em><br />I don't think anybody said that; you may want to check your sources.</p></blockquote><p>Not directly, no, but I've asked several times why the family of an artist should be…</p>
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						Copyright's not just about making money, but also about control of usage.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So are we arguing whether copyright should exist <em>at all</em>, or are we arguing about <em>duration</em>?</p></blockquote><p>I thought I'd made it perfectly clear that my objection is <strong>not</strong> to the existence of copyright. For the third time, I accept that creators are entitled to be paid for their efforts. Rather,…</p>
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						<p>Artists would surrender control of their work to the state in exchange for a steady income....</p><p>Discuss...</p>
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						<p>Matthew, your arguments are rather confused. Case in point:</p><blockquote><p><em>A more appropriate comparison might be building a house. If you decide to do that, and then rent it out, you would expect to continue receiving benefit for that, essentially forever.</em></p><p>Yes, you would. But the supply of land is finite.</p></blockquote><p>…</p>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Consider that the House of Lords decided a couple of centuries ago that copyright isn't a natural right.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, so the aristocracy has no respect for the rights of labour? What a surprise.</p><blockquote><p>The families of artists who earn very little from their work are more important than the families…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If that's the take on Mozart that you're content with, hey, don't worry, be happy.</p></blockquote><p>I'm quite happy for pop culture to teach me everything I need to know. Ahhh, television: teacher, mother, secret lover.</p><p>And thanks for asking.</p><blockquote><p>Rich, the argument espoused to justify copyright is that if there's…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p>Keir, what about shares?</p><p>I've talked repeatedly about financial (mis)management. If you've got shares that you can will to your dependants, then you've obviously taken some steps to ensure future financial security. You're not relying on the work you did today to give them security, you've turned the rewards from…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes, Matthew, the right to inherit is unique to artists.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, very good.</p><p>To summarise the points presented thus far: The families of artists who earn very little from their work are more important than the families of other low-income earners, and this justifies the imposition of a statutory monopoly…</p>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Ok, Matthew, what about shares?
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If I run a business and die, my next-of-kin inherit my business, which might be worth quite a bit of money.</p></blockquote><p>And if you're a wage slave your family gets nothing. The business is also only worth something if it's kept running. It's either a once-off gain (possibly with a…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the right to a person's national superannuation die with them in this country? I'm pretty sure it's not a transferable income stream.</p></blockquote><p>Yup. Artists also labour under this oppressive law as well.</p><p>If I run a business and die, my next-of-kin inherit my…</p>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Yes, Matthew, the right to inherit is unique to artists.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If you were the partner of a writer/artist etc, and that person died, you sure have the rights to collect income from their work, in much the same way that you might inherit their superannuation asset etc.</p></blockquote><p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the right to a person's national…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And, uh, 20 years? That's widows and orphans territory, to be honest. It's the 50 years copyright that's a stretch, not the life + 20.</p></blockquote><p>Once upon a time, copyright was for 14 years, plus a further 14. Like him or loathe him, Dickens wrote under those terms. Twain wrote…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>If it's about artists' control, why is it a "lifetime-plus" term? Generally, once a person dies they cease caring about what's happening to things they did or created while they were alive.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, because who cares about their children?</p><p>The point isn't that copyright is primarily non-economic. It is that…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>It was a long time ago &ndash; Tom Hulce, straight from Animal House to portraying Mozart as manic boofhead, then into well-deserved obscurity. If that's the take on Mozart that you're content with, hey, don't worry, be happy.</p></blockquote><p>The fact that it appeared in a movie doesn't make it inaccurate.…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Rich, the argument espoused to justify copyright is that if there's no money in it people won't create.</p></blockquote><p>The number of artists who both created significant art and didn't get paid for it is essentially a rounding error compared to the number who did and got paid for it.</p><p>I…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>You might want to justify why copyright is supposed to be an incentive scheme, as opposed to a recognition of an artist's inherent right to control their work.</p></blockquote><p>If it's about artists' control, why is it a "lifetime-plus" term? Generally, once a person dies they cease caring about what's happening…</p>
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						Rich, the argument espoused to justify copyright is that if there's no money in it people won't create. I'm calling bullshit. You'll point to a Mozart, who had a rich patron (but still got shafted in the end). I'll point to a Van Gough, who survived on his brother's charity,…
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						<blockquote><p>That's a really fucking perverse take on the ostensible incentive to create that justifies copyright's existence.</p></blockquote><p>You might want to justify why copyright is supposed to be an incentive scheme, as opposed to a recognition of an artist's inherent right to control their work.</p><p>And, uh, 20 years? That's widows…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Um, dude, you <em>have</em> seen 'Amadeus'*, right?</p></blockquote><p>It was a long time ago &ndash; Tom Hulce, straight from <em>Animal House</em> to portraying Mozart as manic boofhead, then into well-deserved obscurity. If that's the take on Mozart that you're content with, hey, don't worry, be happy.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>It's actually the very, very successful that gain the most from touring &mdash; hence Madonna signing a record deal with a concert promoter when her Warner contract expired.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, of course. The bigger you are, the greater the base of fans willing to pay to see you perform and the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Mozart composed without any significant copyright protection. He created for the creation.</p></blockquote><p>Um, dude, you <em>have</em> seen 'Amadeus'*, right?</p><p>Mozart and his financial patron, the not-entirely-penniless Emperor of Austria?</p><p>Dying penniless once he fell out of favour, and being buried in a paupers grave?</p><p>*yes, I'm aware it's not a…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Mozart and Beethoven both composed without any significant copyright protection.</p></blockquote><p>Mozart appears to have been something of a copyright-cracker, thanks to his supposed faculty of "eidetic memory", which enabled him to commit a score to memory from hearing a single performance. The story of how he broke the Vatican's monopoly…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Ridiculous term durations don't help that situation.</p></blockquote><p>Well, Janis Ian is hardly the first musician/songwriter to get thoroughly fucked over by the kind of accounting that should have everyone concerned sharing a cell with  Bernie Ebbers.  And there have been &mdash; and still are &mdash; plenty of writers who are…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Keir, how many had that lifestyle from their work, and how many because they came from families with lots of money?</p></blockquote><p>Most of them; the arts were an accepted method of social climbing &mdash; see da Vinci &amp;c.</p><blockquote><p>The great Italian painters and sculptors all did their thing without any legal…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>For musicians, except the very, very successful, the money doesn't come from albums, or lyrics, or music. It comes from touring. Getting out there in front of the fans. Ridiculous term durations don't help that situation.</p></blockquote><p>It's actually the very, very successful that gain the most from touring &mdash; hence…</p>
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						<p>Keir, how many had that lifestyle from their work, and how many because they came from families with lots of money?</p><p>The Statute of Anne, which is generally regarded as the advent of modern copyright law, didn't come into being until 1709. It also only covered printed works, so "the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Peter Dunne is going to be elected president of the United States!</p></blockquote><p>Please! Can he be?</p><p>It'd make him ineligible as an NZ MP, wouldn't it?</p>
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						<p>Um, no. If they earned little or nothing from their works, then they starved to death &mdash; unless they had some alternate income source, which most didn't.</p><p>Art is a professional activity.</p><p>And when you look at the artists whose names we know, the seriously art historical ones, the fraction…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>... most artists have enjoyed a comfortable living throughout history...</p></blockquote><p>I really think that's very untrue. I'd go so far as to say that "most artists", throughout history, have earned nothing or vitually nothing for their works.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Also, that's just not true, most artists have enjoyed a comfortable living throughout history, almost always as a result of some hefty state/para-statal subsidy, except for some religious groups and some other minor exceptions. Even at that, they took economic considerations pretty seriously almost always.</p></blockquote><p>Or they had <em>day jobs</em>.…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Money wasn't the reason &ndash; it was incidental at best &ndash; instead it was creating for the love of doing so.</p></blockquote><p>Look, you feed me for free, and then we can talk about artists working for love, ok? (Or, less politely, fuck off, how stupid do you think we are?)…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>A more appropriate comparison might be building a house. If you decide to do that, and then rent it out, you would expect to continue receiving benefit for that, essentially forever.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, you would. But the supply of land is finite. You also can't stop someone else building a house…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Goodness knows I wouldn't do my job for free. But I don't expect to get paid for it forever, unless I do it forever.</p></blockquote><p>Matthew, I think you're comparing apples with oranges. Creating artworks is not like paid employment. You earn from the result, not from the work that goes…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Or do I not understand the etymology of the word "change??</p></blockquote><p>I think 'change' currently means 'not Bush/completely fucking incompetent'. Whether McCain Palin will be that, is another question.</p><blockquote><p>For the minor creators, if they cannot survive on what they make now, what would suddenly change in 30 years' time…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>Once upon a time, copyright was for 14 years, with a renewal right of a further 14 if the author was actually still alive. That's fair. That's reasonable. I can live with something being tied up in a monopoly that's a fraction of the average human lifespan.</p></blockquote><p>In practical terms,…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>And what makes your work so much more important than creative work that you should get paid and copyright creators shouldn't?</p></blockquote><p>I don't recall saying that the creators shouldn't get paid. My objection is in no way related to their remuneration. Goodness knows I wouldn't do my job for free.…</p>
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						I'm not a pundit of US elections, and whilst I am interested in the outcome of this one, I can't be bothered with all the debates and to-ing and fro-ing of the candidates,  so can someone clarify something for me, please? Considering what I <em>have</em> read, which would indicate that…
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						<blockquote><p>The Worm! The Worm!</p></blockquote><p>Heh. I liked watching the reflexive Pavlovian uptick when either candidate said 'our troops'.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>What all these polls show is that Obama won the debate hands down among the group that supposedly counted &ndash; leaners and undecideds.</p></blockquote><p>Glad to hear it. I guess that makes me a maverick. ;)</p>
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						Sorry, I should have perhaps clarified. What all these polls show is that Obama won the debate hands down among the group that supposedly counted &ndash; leaners and undecideds. It was a rout.
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						<blockquote><p>I guess I'm judging it on how swing voters might react, rather than on outright performance.</p></blockquote><p>All the polls of independent voters taken before and after the debate, not to mention during (those who watched on CNN would have had reason to scream "The Worm! The Worm! Peter Dunne is…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh, I wouldn't be so generous</p></blockquote><p>Depends what's being measured. I guess I'm judging it on how swing voters might react, rather than on outright performance. In that sense, I'm thinking that some of the Repubs who might've been beginning to see McCain as a doddery, blundering, opportunist, could well…</p>
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						<p>And while I love sneering at the American media as much as the next person, when are TVNZ and Three going to grow a pair and call bullshit on  <a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/News/PoliticsNews/ClarkandKeyrefuseteleviseddebatewithotherleaders/tabid/419/articleID/73397/cat/68/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Helen Clark and John Key are refusing to share the stage with other party leaders during the election campaign.</p><p>The…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>McCain performed surprisingly well, considering. I'll give him a points decision.</p></blockquote><p>Oh, I wouldn't be so generous &mdash; with the caveat that I've not watching the whole thing.  The funny thing is that these debates don't exactly play to Obama's strengths (though I don't consider "nuance" a dirty word), he…</p>
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						<p>Bloody hell.</p><p>I've blown my 2,000 already.</p>
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						<p>This thread is like, so gay.</p><p>I grant you all 2,000 dollars to spend on the study of genitalia.  I'm off right now to check some ....</p>
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						Apologies for the bum tip (it would've helped if TriTV had had <em>any</em> info on their schedule or website about it). If it's any consolation, the debate was far from unmissable. McCain performed surprisingly well, considering. I'll give him a points decision.
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						It is, Giovanni, but I got my info wrong. It's tonight.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Should've read "Note to poor Aucklanders". :)</p></blockquote><p>Is Triangle free to air? Cool.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Sky had it live on CNN at 1.30 or thereabouts.</p></blockquote><p>Should've read "Note to poor Aucklanders". :)</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't understand why anyone would want to watch it, except as a form of political masochism.</p></blockquote><p>There is that. Plus it was a really good debate, in which the candidates had ample opportunity to talk and make their cases. The best I've seen, I think.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>First Presidential debate: Triangle TV, 10:30pm Sunday</p><p>    Sky had it 5pm this afternoon via their Fox News network.</p><p>Sky had it live on CNN at 1.30 or thereabouts.</p></blockquote><p>I don't understand why anyone would want to watch it, except as a form of political masochism.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>First Presidential debate: Triangle TV, 10:30pm Sunday</p><p>Sky had it 5pm this afternoon via their Fox News network.</p></blockquote><p>Sky had it live on CNN at 1.30 or thereabouts.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Note for Aucklanders:<br />First Presidential debate: Triangle TV, 10:30pm Sunday</p></blockquote><p>Sky had it 5pm this afternoon via their Fox News network.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Feh.... remember folks, <a href="http://www.pastemagazine.com/blogs/ctrl-v/2008/08/does-a-mccainpalin-ticket-tighroslin-battlestar-ti.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tigh-Roslin '08 <em>or else</em></a>.
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						<blockquote><p>Ah yes, that Hitler chap.</p></blockquote><p>Inhuman interest stories.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Ah yes, that Hitler chap.</p><blockquote><p>In addition, his regular methamphetamine use and possible sleep deprivation in the last, highly stressful period of his life must be factored into any speculation as to the cause of his possible psychotic symptoms as these two activities are known to trigger psychotic reactions in…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>You are confused that is the limit of a campaign backing a party, for a single MP the limit is $1000.</p></blockquote><p>That still buys an awful lot of flyers to distribute around Te Atatu (since you couldn't really regard any flyers distributed *outside* Chris Carter's electorate as being part of…</p>
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				<title>Steve Parks</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em> most recent McCain-Palin madness</em></p><p>How about this one. Yikes!</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure if it's the same interview, but apparently there's an exchange that goes:</p><p><strong>Couric:</strong> "What lessons have you learned from Iraq, and what specifically would you do to spread democracy around the world?"</p><p><strong>Palin</strong>: "Specifically, I think we…</p>
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				<title>Kerry Weston</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not dissing you, just curious as to why creative people feel that society owes them a life-long income that is denied to all others unless they've got some financial nous.</p></blockquote><p>I think it's more about creatives figuring out how they can have a place in society that enables them to…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>Except that not all collecting societies necessarily benefit the creator. Case in point: CCL collect on behalf of all NZ writers whether they hold an authorisation or not, because there is legislation that says they can. Do they then hand out to a writer her due royalties, based on the…</blockquote>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Just to confirm, CCL are these folks ?</p></blockquote><p>Quite right, mea culpa, should have checked before postings.</p><p>Indeed those are the very bastards I was talking about. :-)</p>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						Kim Hill has just played the 'Mississippi' free download. Nice.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 10:47:20 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Just to confirm, CCL are <a href="http://www.copyright.co.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">these folks</a> ?</p><p>Who take in $4million a year in New Zealand &ndash; 99% of which comes directly from education, roughly half from Universities a quarter from schools and virtually none from business.  Another $1million comes in from overseas. </p><p>And have just given out $70,000…</p>
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						BTW, I still think the main reason McCain even <em>got</em> the nomination is that enough Repubs subconsciously think they're voting for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McClane" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this guy</a>.
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						<blockquote><p>Palin is either dumb as a bag of nails, or she's got to memorise a hell of a lot more flash cards to get through an interview without recycling.</p></blockquote><p>Moreover, where's the campaign's brains trust at? </p><p>Palin gave the same idiotic answer initially <em>last</em>  week, and yet they sent her…</p>
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						<p>WWJD? (what would jesus do?)</p><p>Shit I thought that stood for What Would Jesus Drink?</p><p>Red wine, obviously!?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Just saw the interview to which this parody applies; I wonder if Sarah gets the joke?</p></blockquote><p>No, Paul, I don't think she does &mdash; but the problem is that the joke stops being funny when her interview with Katie Couric was like watching a turtle trying to outrun a combine…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Minor gripe...I know what you mean but Christian and/or family values does not equal homophobic alarmist bigotry. It can and often does I'll grant, but there are people who are christian and also don't have a problem with people being gay.</p></blockquote><p>Otherwise known as the "Hate is not a family…</p>
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						<p>you're right david.  there are many churches who are open supportive and welcoming of their gay flock.</p><p>odd then that so many of the 'redneck' churches often ask WWJD? (what would jesus do?) but then ignore the obvious</p>
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						<blockquote><p>*obvious, as in from their Christian/'family values' POV.</p></blockquote><p>Minor gripe...I know what you mean but Christian and/or family values does not equal homophobic alarmist bigotry. It can and often does I'll grant, but there are people who are christian and also don't have a problem with people being gay.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Islander, I'm curious why you think one work should pay you for life? For those of us who aren't in the creative sphere, if we want to keep earning we have to keep working, or we have to manage our money. What makes creative types so much more special than…</blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>But it's one that did not escape practically all of my high school students when they heard about the scholarship last week.<br />"How do they know that you are gay?"<br /><em><br />Dude. Gaydar.</p><p>(But, actually, interesting point.)</em></p></blockquote><p>How do they know? It's all there in the Application Document:</p><blockquote><p>All applicants must…</p></blockquote>
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						And yep, Rob, I love being alive. I dont want to go on a dole or a benefit but I'd *really* prefer to keep on living without relying on just bush tucker or going begging-
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						Matthew Poole &ndash; I certainly wouldnt expect *one* work to pay me for my lifetime...but I've had 7 books published, and over 50 other pieces of writing published and many still in print. As I mentioned apropos CCL, I'm not getting a proper return while others &ndash; who *didnt* create…
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>creative people feel that society owes them a life-long income that is denied to all others</p></blockquote><p>tee hee. leaving aside the benefit society gets from creativity- and the natural justice of giving rights over a creation to its creator- lets just say it's the artist's selfish desire not to starve…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Islander, I'm curious why you think one work should pay you for life? For those of us who aren't in the creative sphere, if we want to keep earning we have to keep working, or we have to manage our money. What makes creative types so much more special than…
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						<p>Life-long &amp; adequate return would suit me &ndash; with the provisio that I pass on negotiating rights for the next stipulated generation.</p><p>Note the *adequate*.</p><p>I make way less than the average wage from royalties, and will still be working for another coupla years before I have anything publishable. Self-supported.</p>
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						<p>Russell, does "it <em>totally</em> works" extend to condoning the <em>totally</em> ridiculous situation that the words <strong>you</strong> write today won't become public domain until your <strong>grand</strong> children are coming due for retirement, assuming current statistical lifespans for all involved? Because, for me, that's just a total fucking nonsense.</p><p>I accept the…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This is from a seminar they gave at least 3 years ago to government knowledge managers/librarians because CCL were trying to persuade them to rigorously pay up based on their photocopier stats.</p></blockquote><p>I wonder if these could be the same buffoons who I received a letter from back in the…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Lighter stuff? Putin rears his head.</p></blockquote><p>Just saw the interview to which this parody applies; I wonder if Sarah gets the joke? There's a hilarious event in Australian politics which keeps coming to mind; the <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s374271.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">28 second long political career of Mal Meninga</a>. Don't you wish?</p>
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				<title>Tiki East</title>
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						Jamie Hernandez!!!! freakin'cool!
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						<p>CCL?</p><p><strong>*SCREAMS</strong>*</p><p>I have received just ONE payment from the CCL &ndash; that was from VUP<br />who gave almost NO details (like time span/copy numbers etc.) and &ndash; without  *any* contractual warrant or right &ndash; took half of it...</p><p>And that was for my first collection of short stories-</p><p>I…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Lighter stuff? <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/images/x_2008/putinrearshishead.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Putin rears his head.</a>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think everybody has missed the BIG question here.</p><p>But it's one that did not escape practically all of my high school students when they heard about the scholarship last week.</p><p>"How do they know that you are gay?"</p></blockquote><p>Dude. Gaydar.</p><p>(But, actually, interesting point.)</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>Do they then hand out to a writer her due royalties, based on the number of tmes their work has been copied? Do they, fuck! They pick a "representative selection" of writers on their list and divvy what's left after their expenses have been taken out. They declined to make…</blockquote>
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						Ha ! &ndash; As far as I can see the CCL is a legally endorsed racket.  Their rep turned out give a seminar at <redacted> schhol at <redacted> Uni to support an audit.  The session quickly turned into a debate which concluded with a very upset rep saying you have got to…
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						<p>I think everybody has missed the BIG question here.</p><p>But it's one that did not escape practically all of my high school students when they heard about the scholarship last week.</p><p>"How do they know that you are gay?"</p><p>Several proposed telling whomever they apply to that they are gay…</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						"the CCL POV" dammit
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						Except that not all collecting societies necessarily benefit the creator. Case in point: CCL collect on behalf of all NZ writers whether they hold an authorisation or not, because there is legislation that says they can. Do they then hand out to a writer her due royalties, based on the…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I liked your question about why do we have copyright law</p></blockquote><p>Which everyone flunked, even Cunliffe, who I thought might get it. But even he described copyright as a balance between the interests of the public and those of copyright owners.</p><p>Copyright, as the MED discussion paper that led to…</p>
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				<title>Julie Fairey</title>
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						<p>I assumed Angus was making a funny?  But perhaps not?</p><p>Excuse me, baby trying to disconnect me from interweb by chewing through cable</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p>What ever happened to the lighter stuff chucked about on a Friday...?</p><p>How's this contribution. Approx 30% of <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24365642-5017898,00.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Australia's top songs are by Crowded House</a> (lead singers surely define where a band's from, not where they were formed, where the rest of the members were from, where they played most…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Now that would be embarrassing to Helen Clark.</p></blockquote><p>In the pantheon of far-fetched interpretations of the EFA, that's right up there, Angus. The law is an ass, but not that much of an ass.</p><p>Indeed, I cannot see a single reason that an invitation for people too young to vote…</p>
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						<blockquote><p>MED noted 91 documents relevant to my OIA request but released only 13 and most of them were redacted in some way</p></blockquote><p>And did you lodge a complaint with the Ombudsmen about the documents and parts of documents that were withheld?</p><p>One of the stated purposes of the OIA is…</p>
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				<title>Mark Harris</title>
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						<blockquote>Speaking of the debate, both parts are now up on TVNZ ondemand. But I'm still getting the "sorry this content is not available to view" message, even after updating Flash and turning off my pop-up blocker. Is anyone else having this problem? (The Windows Media versions are still available at…</blockquote>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No, because (even if merely mentioning the name of an MP was an election advertisement, which it isn't) they are very unlikely to be spending $12,000 on printing and distributing such flyers and are thus not required to register.</p></blockquote><p>You are confused that is the limit of a campaign backing…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>$15 million &ndash; sea views, situated in a lively neighbourhood.</p></blockquote><p>Wouldn't have remained lively for long, surely.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How much was Stalin's house worth?</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.hindu.com/2005/07/02/stories/2005070201381700.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">$15 million</a> &ndash; sea views, situated in a lively neighbourhood.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If GABA are not a registered third party and this flyer bearing the name of MP (&amp; patron) Chris Carter is seen as an advertisment then it is quite possibly illegal for the GABA to be distributing it in an election year.</p></blockquote><p>No, because (even if merely mentioning the name of…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Hitler's Mountain Home</p></blockquote><p>Classic!</p><p>Private Eye did a spoof Hello that contained an article <em>"At Home With Saddam Hussein, Mrs Hussain And Their Nine Children, Pets and Torture Victims"</em>.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Carter, also Minister of Education, is patron of the Gay Auckland Business Association (Gaba), which this week distributed flyers to secondary schools asking students to apply for a $2000 tertiary scholarship.</p></blockquote><p>Perhaps the Listener has legal experts looking at the wrong law.</p><p>If GABA are not a registered third party…</p>
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				<title>Jake Pollock</title>
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						What, no P lab?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How much was Stalin's house worth?</p><p>Chairman Mao: his secrets to aging gracefully.</p></blockquote><p>See <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/germany/graphic/0,5543,1075414,00.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hitler's Mountain Home</a>:</p><blockquote><p>"There is nothing pretentious about the Fuhrer's little estate ..."</p></blockquote><p>Except that was fo' real ...</p>
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						<p>That P story nearly lost me half a page in when he tried to illustrate "the pervasive nature of the drug in society":<br />Exhibit 1: Millie Elder, rich party girl.<br />Exhibit 2: Connor Morris, kickboxer, son of Head Hunter known as "One Eye".</p><p>"South Auckland to the leafier, wealthier parts…</p>
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				<title>Thomas Watts</title>
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						<p>Heh. Palin. </p><p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2008/sep/10/sarahpalin.doll" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Who needs policy when you're an action figure...</a></p>
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				<title>Jake Pollock</title>
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						<p>How much was Stalin's house worth? </p><p>Chairman Mao: his secrets to aging gracefully.</p>
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				<title>Dan Slevin</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Also recommended is the just released children’s illustrated book of the lyrics of Forever Young.</p></blockquote><p>On the subject of "Forever Young", the most emotional I have been in a cinema this year was watching the oldie choir in <em>Young @ Heart</em> singing that song for a group of prisoners. You…</p>
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						Next week's cover story will be  Adolf Hitler:" Mein Drug Hell"
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Did Hitler use P?"</p></blockquote><p>I burst out laughing at what I thought was a very good Python-esque joke-title. <br />Then realised that actually WAS the cover line. <br />And laughed some more...</p>
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				<title>Bob Munro</title>
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						<blockquote><p>On a happier note, you might want to pop over to Bob Dylan's website for your free download of 'Dreamin' of You', from his forthcoming album Tell Tale Signs, No.8 in the Bootleg Series of rare and unreleased material.</p></blockquote><p>There’s a delightful stripped down version of <a href="http://www.bobdylan.com/#/mississippi " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mississippi</a> from the…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>On Palin, the Grauniad pipes up with a <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/oliverburkemanblog/2008/sep/25/uselections2008.sarahpalin1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">nice headline</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Also, Alaska is on the same planet as Iraq and Afghanistan</p></blockquote><p>I'm picking Palin's expertise in astronomy will soon be brought up.</p>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<p>Acts pledge card lists number 13  Privatisation, where state business  are sold where private firms can serve customers better.<br /> And where this works is ´practically all except Cuba North Korea'</p><p>They will have to add US to the list  </p><p>Today's bailout is the big 3 car firms ( but not…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p><a href="http://hypem.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://hypem.com</a></p></blockquote><p>Ah, the site you mentioned the other day. Gold, thanks.</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Because Chris Carter, MP and Minister of Education, is patron of Gaba. He played no role in creating the scholarship, but his name appears on the letterheads.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, and that's the one tiny bone I have to pick with GABA about this non-issue.  (If they want to spend their money…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Rich:</p><blockquote><p>On alternate Tuesdays outside election years. The rest of the time it's Property Rights For Rich People / Jail For The Poor.</p></blockquote><p>"Ladies and gentlemen, introducing the Water Cannon Budget."</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Scholarships aren't a problem they're a part of the solution. We need more of them, or address the reason for the need by having Universal allowances and nil fees.</p></blockquote><p>Wow, that sounds strangely familiar... not being rude Shep, just having a flashback!</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p>"...That might be the fund that Charles Upham donated rather than take a gift for killing Germans..."</p><p><br />Political Correctness gone mad.</p>
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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>"children of members of the New Zealand Defence Force seeking to study Agriculture at Lincoln University".</p><p>That might be the fund that Charles Upham donated rather than take a gift for killing Germans.<br />It wasn't very exclusive as that could mean almost anyone could get it.</p><p>Scholarships aren't a problem…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I've probably gotta get out of bed earlier.</p></blockquote><p>Just go here and search for Kanye:</p><p><a href="http://hypem.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://hypem.com</a></p><p>Someone else will have it.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>p.s., was Brash complaining about the Maori-only scholarships, or about preferential entry for Maori to the more competitive University programmes (the quota/affirmative action system common in Law &amp; Medicine)?</p></blockquote><p>Both. The Nats lined up some kid at Otago Uni to complain about his "race-based" scholarship (presumably, he was forced to apply…</p>
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						<blockquote><p><em>But how do I know it's true?</em></p><p>Becasue Russell just told you it was.</p><p>Are you daring to question the judgement of the queen bee of the PA hive mind?</p></blockquote><p>Heh. But seriously, it's a bloody good story.</p>
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				<title>JohnAmiria</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This remix makes the new Kanye West song sound a bit less sucky.</p></blockquote><p>nice pic, but shame about the download...</p><blockquote><p>The file you were looking for could not be found, sorry for any inconvenience.</p><p>Possible causes of this error could be:</p><ul><li>The file expired because it was not downloaded for…</blockquote></li></ul>
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						<p>So, the scholarship is both perfectly legal and in line with innumerable precedents. </p><p>In light of this, I'm looking forward to establishing the first scholarship specifically targeted to skinny white Labour voting heterosexual men from Waitakere City.</p><p>I think I might make myself the first recipient of this prestigious award,…</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But how do I know it's true?</p></blockquote><p>Becasue Russell just told you it was.</p><p>Are you daring to question the judgement of the queen bee of the PA hive mind?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Besides, Zogby (motto: 'making goose entrails seem reliable by comparison since 1988') should ring alarm bells among journalists worldwide.</p></blockquote><p>Quite. I was briefly concerned, heard the name "Zogby" and carried on about my business.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I thought ACT was supposed to be the Liberal party</p></blockquote><p>On alternate Tuesdays outside election years. The rest of the time it's Property Rights For Rich People / Jail For The Poor.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the best story yet written on how the methamphetamine trade works in New Zealand, courtesy David Fisher. It really is that good.</p></blockquote><p>But how do I know it's true? Very little else in the Listener is, except maybe the TV listings. Most articles on drugs in the NZ media are…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>most recent McCain-Palin madness</p></blockquote><p>How about this one. Yikes!</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv6CRObROV0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv6CRObROV0</a></p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's just attacking the medium. I wanted to scream at America: polling, voters etc.</p></blockquote><p>No, I was attacking the medium for a reason, those polls were reported yesterday by Kos. Besides, Zogby (motto: 'making goose entrails seem reliable by comparison since 1988') should ring alarm bells among journalists worldwide.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Thank you for pointing that out, I wanted to scream at the radio.</p></blockquote><p>That's just attacking the medium. I wanted to scream at America: polling, voters etc.</p>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<p>The Nelson College ( The oldest state school in NZ) scholarship  may have been won by Ernest Rutherford. Who, following his older brother,  was awarded it on his second try in 1887.<br /><a href="http://www.rutherfordjournal.org/article010112.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.rutherfordjournal.org/article010112.html</a></p><p>The Rutherfordjournal.org also makes interesting reading</p>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						I thought ACT was supposed to be the Liberal party. I thought they believed that people should spend their money however they wished. But then, this is a Get Carter issue, so normal market rules do not apply.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>SUSA has now done two rounds on the issue and found twice that American voters think that's a stupid idea.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you for pointing that out, I wanted to scream at the radio.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Totally OT (but hey, <em>whose blog is it?</em>), TPMTV has a great roundup of the most recent McCain-Palin madness:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDdR7YqWZ8s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDdR7YqWZ8s</a></p><p>Oh, and Morning Report this morning said a poll had found the public divided on McCain's proposal to suspend the electoral campaign and cancel the first debate. But they forgot…</p>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Nelson College used to have a scholarship for boys who could prove they were of "pure British stock".</p></blockquote><p>Amazin'. Only strapping young Oxo cubes need apply eh?</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Back when I was at Uni and trawling for potential scholarships, I found one that was for something like "children of members of the New Zealand Defence Force seeking to study Agriculture at Lincoln University".</p></blockquote><p>When coming to Canty, I went through the first-year scholarships and ended up concluding that…</p>
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				<title>Eddie Clark</title>
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						That story is disappointing, but not exactly surprising, from both the Listener and Rishworth.  Rishworth, for a Bill of Rights expert, has a somewhat... narrow view of the reach of human rights in New Zealand.
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				<title>Stuart Coats</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think that is pretty much a guaranteed saving of $3.8 per week.</p></blockquote><p>I've already saved myslef the $3.80, so can anyone tell if Hitler was indeed on P? Because it's going to affect my daily life.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>but I was pleased to read a study of crime statistics written by Gabrielle Maxwell this week. page 24. In spite of those loud voices eg Sensible Sentencing Trust(??) it seems that crime is reducing, and not "spiralling out of control" as Mr Key says.</p></blockquote><p>How about putting that on…</p>
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				<title>Ian MacKay</title>
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						I have been reading the Listener for decades but have reached the stage of cancelling my sub in the next quarter, but I was pleased to read a study of crime statistics written by Gabrielle Maxwell this week. page 24. In spite of those loud voices eg Sensible Sentencing Trust(??)…
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						<p>I've never liked loaded questions, but here's one I'd like to ask the Listener:</p><blockquote><p>How big is the shark you've just leaped over?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p>I've read it, Mike, what part of the spitting incoherent outrage that was my response would you like to hear? </p><p>In Hide's defense, the section that quotes him starts with 'asked for comment' and goes on to say that it's not something Clark needs heading into an election, but he…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>There is the FWW Rhodes scholarship only for law students who are former pupils of Auckland Grammar $2200 pa</em></p><p>There has to be a joke in that ...</p></blockquote><p>For which the punchline is presumably:</p><p>"To overcome the immense social disadvantage"</p>
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						<blockquote><p>So has anyone actually read the article or seen it in context?</p></blockquote><p>Well, duh. Of course.</p><blockquote><p>Rodney is hardly someone I'd consider a homophobe.</p></blockquote><p>No, he's just a cheap opportunist. That's the problem.</p><p>Mike, I wish everyone in Act was like you, but unfortunately that's far from the case.</p><p>Rodney's…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Newstopia explains the US electoral system:</p></blockquote><p>Thanks you so much for brightening my day with that clip. I am still laughing, not just at the US election explanation but the Steve Fosset joke that follows.</p>
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						<p>So has anyone actually read the article or seen it in context?</p><p>Rodney is hardly someone I'd consider a homophobe.  If the scholarship is privately funded I can't see any reason to be against it. </p><p>If it was state funded it would be an issue (then again so would any…</p>
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						Oh, I love a good <a href="http://www.deltaweb.co.uk/spitfire/hiflight.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">poetry reference</a> with my outrage.
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						<blockquote><p>back in oz they had a comedy show where a guy would climb up onto a high saw-horse and condemn things.</p></blockquote><p>I'm very excited that someone else actually watched Micallef Tonight.<br />This is host Shaun Micallef on the aforementioned high horse:<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDjlFwsPkHw" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDjlFwsPkHw</a><br />He now hosts a show on SBS called…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>There is the FWW Rhodes scholarship only for law students who are former pupils of Auckland Grammar $2200 pa</p></blockquote><p>There <em>has</em> to be a joke in that ...</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I get the impression that Mary Jane didnt didnt tell the Professor that it was a private scholarship and not one funded by the government.</p></blockquote><p>Which was precisely the mistake so many windbags made back when Don Brash was trying to gin up outrage about tertiary scholarships for Maori --…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I get the impression that Mary Jane didnt didnt tell the Professor that it was a private scholarship and not one funded by the government</p></blockquote><p>Mary Jane? A dangeorus gateway journalist, then, surely.</p>
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						<p>Yes, we in the Velvet Mafia are at work to take over the world one scholarship at a time. GABA is just a front you see, we have secret plans for world domination, it is part of a vast international conspiracy  &ndash; the Homintern.</p><p>As well as turning all your…</p>
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						<p>Check the list of scholarships administered by Rishworths own law school</p><p>There is the FWW Rhodes scholarship only for law students who are former pupils of Auckland Grammar $2200 pa</p><p>The AWLA Margaret Wilson Scholarship only for women law students $2000 pa<br /><a href="http://www.law.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/law/for/current_students/scholarshipsandprizes/scholarships.cfm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.law.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/law/for/current_students/scholarshipsandprizes/scholarships.cfm</a></p><p>I get the impression that Mary Jane…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Then one could hop off one's high horse, because one's tuckus is getting kind of sore.</p></blockquote><p>back in oz they had a comedy show where a guy would climb up onto a high saw-horse and condemn things.</p><p>it was like rove's "what the?", but funny.</p><p>the one where he got…</p>
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						<p>Back when I was at Uni and trawling for potential scholarships, I found one that was for something like "children of members of the New Zealand Defence Force seeking to study Agriculture at Lincoln University".</p><p>Damn rurally-minded Army brats. Always gettin' the preferentialz.</p>
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						Watch out, Pammy will have the lawyers on ya.
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						One is almost sorry one cancelled one's subscription to the Listener two weeks ago, otherwise one could phone them up and cancel it after this little gem of a story and tell them why. Then one could hop off one's high horse, because one's tuckus is getting kind of sore.
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						<blockquote><p>I'm still getting the "sorry this content is not available to view" message, even after updating Flash and turning off my pop-up blocker. Is anyone else having this problem?</p></blockquote><p>Not quite that problem, just the usual hassle of the crap version of Flash for Linux. <br />OnDemand worked, but it only…</p>
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