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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sure, but in what condition is it when it gets there? ... Dairying's not only thirsty; it's also dirty.</p></blockquote><p>True. What I was pointing out is that exporting milk powder overseas does not equate to shipping our water out of the country. Whatever the effects dairying has on water quality,…</p>
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				<title>Caleb D&#039;Anvers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>[I]t[']s not only not leaving the water cycle, it[']s not even leaving the watershed. The factory is generally within 100km of the farm, so the water (again not leaving the NZ water cycle) ends up slightly further away from where it would have otherwise.</p></blockquote><p>Sure, but in what condition is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:40:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Ur &ndash; available water for human consumption?<br />What happens with intensive dairyfarming  is degraded water worth buggerall.</p><p>Just thinking is right- what is a national &ndash; and personal(local citizenry natural resource )has become a pirated buy&amp;sell takeover.</p><p>Islander, working on curse poems against these shitheads-</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:31:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's the umpteen litres of water it takes to produce a litre of milk that is the issue, plus the umpteen more litres of our waterways that get damaged.</p></blockquote><p>Agree there, it takes a lot of water to make milk. And intensive dairying can have nasty effects on the environment.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:39:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:54:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						Russell, something seems to be bung with David's last blog.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:47:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Jeremy they all remove water from our water cycle. The milk powder requires more water on arrival, so more expensive of this prescious resource. And of course the extra energy/pollution for its processing.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure if adding the litre of local water back to the milk powder is the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:40:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						Jeremy they all remove water from our water cycle. The milk powder requires more water on arrival, so more expensive of this prescious resource.  And of course the extra energy/pollution for its processing.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:45:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						On the bright side, the UK Govt seems to have taken a positive step in an evidence based (or lack thereof) direction with their latest move on <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18559-stop-funding-homeopathy-say-british-mps.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">homeopathy</a>.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:47:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>95% of the NZ Dairy is exported and therefore lost to our water cycle. The vast majority of that as milk powder, and so requiring more water.</p></blockquote><p>How does dehydrating milk in NZ and exporting the dried result cause a loss of water in NZ? If anything by that measure,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:45:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>If only it were the beautiful (and easy to grow) brassica, and if sold and consumed in the same area it would return to the same water cycle. </p><p>95% of the NZ Dairy is exported and therefore lost to our water cycle. The vast majority of that as milk powder,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:31:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<p>@Just Thinking</p><blockquote><p>Urban Rate payers subsidising rural industry of our precious water. Lets remeber the water is then made into powered and so is lost to the water cycle.</p></blockquote><p>I get the sense of what you mean but you are wrong. If I eat some broccoli made using irrigated water…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:00:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>I think those posts of Burns actually show his ignorance of the issues, but it is bad form to pass judgement while he has personal issues.</p><p>It's not just about green fields and brown water. As big an issue, if not bigger is the soil itself and the impact intensive…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:12:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						More <a href="http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/category/water/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>. Not that I particularly support Brendon Burns but I agree with others that this is the beginning of one of the major battles of the next several decades and I want the politicians to be on to it. While driving through Canterbury last year I was shocked at…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:55:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Brendon Burns has done several posts on Red Alert such as this latest one<a href="http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2010/02/23/keys-comments-on-water-a-worry/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> on Key's latest comments on speeding up consents for Canterbury water</a>. He doesn't seem to have copied them to his blog.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:40:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>philipmatthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's a shame Labour obviously doesn't have the depth needed to takle the issue, which National are sizing up as an issue of National Significance in order to bypass local democracy.</p></blockquote><p>From where I'm sitting, it looks like Russel Norman has this one pretty much to himself. How do you…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:36:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>Thanks Alien, that's a big defense.</p><p>It's a shame Labour obviously doesn't have the depth needed to takle the issue, which National are sizing up as an issue of National Significance in order to bypass local democracy.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:28:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alien  Lizard (anag)</title>
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						<blockquote><p>MIA &ndash; send out the search party<br />MP for Christchurch Central, Opposition Spokesman on Broadcasting and Water</p></blockquote><p>In his defence I understand his Father died (in Perth) earlier this month &ndash; so he may be tied up with that for a wee while &ndash; but back on deck soon...</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:17:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If I were of a free-market disposition, that would sound like a good example to support an argument that we should privatise everything, as The Free Market will provide. :)</p></blockquote><p>Well yes. Quite possibly money is a strong reason why the school leans that way. Good on them for recognising…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:43:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think you're stereotyping private schools all into one box.</p><p>Which as my example proved, isn't fair. That was a school that wasn't cutting kids for not making the GPA, indeed it had created a niche for itself in the market of being a good place for some of those…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:06:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>MIA &ndash; send out the search party</p><p>MP for Christchurch Central, Opposition Spokesman on Broadcasting and Water<br /><a href="http://www.brendonburns.co.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.brendonburns.co.nz/</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:20:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And the reason this a bad thing is because anything that threatens the revenue stream tends to get treated like its leporous, such as for example bad students who might bring down the grade-point average.</p></blockquote><p>I think you're stereotyping private schools all into one box.</p><p>Which as my example proved,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:44:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The allegation that all private schools exist to make <strong>money</strong> is ridiculous. Some newer establishments might make <strong>profits</strong> but most do not not have an owner</p></blockquote><p>Paul, you are conflating 'money' with 'profit'.  There is a distinction that needs to be made between the two.</p><p>My original quote was:</p><blockquote><p>A…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:54:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						The politics of ECan and water have been going on for many years. Guess the farm lobby feel they have the upper hand now and looking at the bunch of redneck Ministers in charge of a decision, they're probably right.
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>This has been being planned for quite some time eh?</p><p>Come on Kai Tahu! Act together now!</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3351860/Environment-Canterbury-faces-the-axe" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Too much science</a> involved in Environment Canturbury saying no to voracious farm irrigators, says report by director of convicted dairy polluter. Sack them at once..</p><blockquote><p>The Creech Report found that an absence of planning and policy framework had led to a "piecemeal" approach to the management of fresh water.</p><p>**It…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>They do believe in it, they just don't accept it.<br />This way they get to divert funs to their preffered schools (businesses &ndash; this goes beyond education) and create failure in others by underfunding etc and then claim victory for their (schools) success.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>virtually every problem in the world has been solved somewhere in the world—and it makes some sense to apply the best. Now, fortunately, it's easy to find out about them.</p></blockquote><p>If only this government <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,2324,hard-news-the-death-of-evidence.sm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">believed in</a> evidence-based policy.</p>
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				<title>Gordon Dryden</title>
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						<p>Tks for New Scientist references, Peter.  Matt Ridley's book, Nature Via Nurture, is also worth reading.  The most effective early-childhood "levelling up" programs I have personally visited include the then Swedish Government's (2000) early-childhood centres for Sweden's large refugee communities, from 100 different countries. </p><p>Missouri's Parents as (First) Teachers Program…</p>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						Not that I'm one to be quoting Anne Tolley in this discussion, but these factors are well known, and New Zealand does exceptionally well international in Early Childhood participation.  According to <a href="http://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/keynote+address+australian+schools+education+amp+early+childhood+congres" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a>, 95 percent of pre-school children in New Zealand attend Early Childhood programmes. And, without raising the spectre of…
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				<title>Peter Ashby</title>
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						<p>@Logan O'Callahan</p><p>See  this article in NS from two weeks ago:</p><p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527473.800-act-early-in-life-to-close-health-gaps-across-society.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527473.800-act-early-in-life-to-close-health-gaps-across-society.html</a></p><p>Especially this graph:</p><p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/articleimages/mg20527473.800/6-act-early-in-life-to-close-health-gaps-across-society.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.newscientist.com/articleimages/mg20527473.800/6-act-early-in-life-to-close-health-gaps-across-society.html</a></p><p>Which shows that if you are bright and poor at two, by the age of six you will have been overtaken by much less bright rich six year olds. So the answer to one…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote>I speak very well.</blockquote> Innit,
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						Not three holes in the ground? Whoops, wrong thread. We're not talking about Auckland, Hamilton and Huntly. Carry on.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Where "well" means in the manner of a posh pom :)
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						The allegation that all private schools exist to make money is ridiculous. Some newer establishments might make profits but most do not not have an owner: they have a governing body; there are no shareholders and the profits go into the school. Of course they still help maintain social privilege,…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						recovering eastie grrl :)
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You're in Wellington with that garden?</p></blockquote><p>No, I am Auckland as the day I moved here from Christchurch.<br />After a couple of years there, it was " look I can talk now and you know I can run so let's head north". My parents were so obliging. Auckland was where…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:18:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>I'll conceed that my views on private schools may be somewhat skewed by my personal experience, being the privately-schooled toffee-nosed pommie posho that I am.</p><p>My personal experience was that as soon as you start to slide in terms of grades, or start showing that you might need a bit…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:21:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So far as I can see, nothing in the discussion warranted some of your responses. I'd like you to show more respect to others here, even when your ideas are challenged.</p></blockquote><p>I tuned out when Gordon's argument started to resemble a sermon. I likes expertise, I dislikes zealots.</p><blockquote><p>TOUGH ON…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:03:59 +1300</pubDate>
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						The horse is high, so I'm moving on.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:14:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						sweet feed for high horses
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:45:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						I'm still laughing at how clever that sounds.:)
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:28:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The mind boggles.</p></blockquote><p>Time of night darlin'</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:27:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						<blockquote>True Story. His horse (Hine) still goes inside. That was where we got our dog from.</blockquote>The mind boggles.
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>that's some sort of metaphor, right?</p></blockquote><p>It was sweet feed for horses, kinda like drugs Sacha :)</p><blockquote><p>Is that your garden, Sofie?</p></blockquote><p>Aye. That is at back. I'm working on the front more at te mo  but it is starting to come together nicely. I just noticed how those seat…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:17:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This is Stella</p></blockquote><p>Is that your garden, Sofie? It's sensational.<br />[speaking from the subantarctic windswept hilltops of wellington).</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>He stupidly left the horse feed on the floor inside the back door.</p></blockquote><p>that's some sort of metaphor, right?</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Thanks,the back is comimg along nicely now that the plants are settled. I'm going for a jungle :) Plus yes, Stella is as sweet as she poses.She is able to make us laugh every day, which is something I cherish.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:28:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Cecelia</title>
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						<p>Stella. Butter wouldn't melt. </p><p>And I love your plants.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:43:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alien  Lizard (anag)</title>
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						<blockquote><p>[steps back, nothing happens]</p></blockquote><p>when summoning Keithulhu you must always remember to sacrifice a virgin...<br />or as Mr Judd put it in the next post:</p><blockquote><p>The cherry picking of students comes up.</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:30:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						True Story. His horse (Hine) still goes inside. That was where we got our dog from.This is <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/sofiebribiesca/XmasGardening#5420787665868928914" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Stella.</a> If you knew our friend you would understand. He does have a way with te animals. :)
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:34:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen clover</title>
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						<blockquote><p>friend</p></blockquote><p>Oh, yup, a "friend" :))</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:53:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but please don't ride that moral high horse through my house any more.</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>Why, do you have carpeting?</p></blockquote><p>My friend put a stable door ( split) on the back door of his house and the horses could look through into the Kitchen. <br />He stupidly left the horse feed on the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:47:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p>Why, do you have carpeting? </p><p>Look, I'm generally the first person to join in the Kedgley bashing, but the first half of your comment notwithstanding, the idea that the omission from the Minister's quote altered its meaning is ludicrous. Andre summed it up rather well.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Craig gives a masterclass is disingenousness, since even with the omitted phrase the Minister's quote was about as clear a threat as "lovely premises you have here &ndash; shame if something were to happen to them &ndash; not that it's likely to of course."</p></blockquote><p>No it's not, Giovani.  But nice…</p>
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						Was going to bring up the State Integrated schools, who get funding to not only teach, but also indoctrinate.  Guess it is the parents right to choose, so we can't judge them on that.  Many do well academically, and one particular Auckland SI school pumps out rock bands like... nope,…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:50:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Which may be an exception of course, and is pre-primary.</p></blockquote><p>No, you're quite right, I was being excessively polemical. There is a private school in our area that does good work with children with disabilities and is admirably inclusive (so long as you're happy to go along with the Christian…</p>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's often the case, but I'd imagine that some schools have motivations about being private which are largely for other reasons &ndash; method of teaching, religious community etc etc. Sure, some of them will make a potload of money, but some will be scraping by like every public school.</p></blockquote><p>Back…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:57:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Have you ever known a private school to go out of its way to take the bottom 20% of anything?</p></blockquote><p>I have a pre-school family member with Downs Syndrome and her parents looked around Wellington for a place to put her in schooling and in the end went with a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:31:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>contributions from some of your team</p></blockquote><p>Are we a team now? When's Haydn dropping my uniform round? Remember I need a snug fit, Haydn. I like the Laydeez to see what's on offer.</p><blockquote><p>by private school, you mean a school that teaches for money"?</p></blockquote><blockquote><p>No: in my experience, great teachers…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						I could do with a whole lot less Sue Kedgely in my life, but if that's a sin of omission, I'm going to have to start appending "before you die" to every request I make of anyone ever.
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No link unfortunately</p></blockquote><p>It's <a href="http://static.radionz.net.nz/assets/audio_item/0018/2217132/mnr-20100219-0818-Move_to_tighten_RNZs_belt_described_as_purely_political-m048.asx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a></p><p>Or <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> at 8:18.</p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p>Stephen, would that be<br /><a href="http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20100219-0818-Move_to_tighten_RNZs_belt_described_as_purely_political-048.mp3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this link</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:14:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>stephen clover</title>
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						It was delicious to hear John Boscawen (ACT Spokesman for Broadcasting) lose his rag on Morning Report this a.m., whilst being interviewed with Sue Kedgely by Geoff Robinson. No link unfortunately.
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<p>Let's parse the text, then...</p><blockquote><p>"If boards don't play ball, at the end of the day [replacing them] is the ultimate sanction but we're nowhere near that stage.</p></blockquote><p>versus</p><blockquote><p>"If boards don't play ball, at the end of the day [replacing them] is the ultimate sanction.</p></blockquote><p>IMO, both statements contain…</p>
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						Yeah, but how you gonna build a Facebook group and sell those caps by telling the truth?
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						<p>Craig gives a masterclass is disingenousness, since even with the omitted phrase the Minister's quote was about as clear a threat as "lovely premises you have here &ndash; shame if something were to happen to them &ndash; not that it's likely to of course."</p><p>ETA: the "masterclass" bit refers to…</p>
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						If that's a lie of omission, then so is almost anything.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Sorry for the thread-jack, and I'm sure Russell will have a <em>lot</em> more to say about RNZ soon enough, but <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10627121&amp;ref=rss" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sue Kedgley really has to stop telling lies of omission</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Tempers flared at times during the meeting, as National MPs reacted angrily to repeated questioning from Green MP Sue Kedgley about…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Gordon Dryden</title>
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						Re Russell's comments on Unlimited and Discovery 1 and some of the schools visited by the "Inter-Party Working Group): I've written to the group members mentioning my surprise that the Christchurch schools were not visited by them — and recommending that much better" personalised learning plans" are operating in existing…
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				<title>Gordon Dryden</title>
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						<p>Geoff:  In context again . . .</p><p>The "film editing" context was in comparing some of the state "institutes of technology" with  such private IT trainers  as Media Design School in Auckland which (a) encourages all its potential students to get some hands-on job experience first, in one of the…</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote>People tried hard (and it worked for our older boy), but the lack of anything for us in the system for our younger son is a source of anger and frustration to me. I hope Giovanni has better luck with his daughter, who is also ASD, and that he does…</blockquote>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>John Keys step change last Chinese New Year.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kbSM8hN7Bg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kbSM8hN7Bg</a></p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						I suspect that tying the quality of university research output to primary and secondary education in the same country is a bit of a non sequiteur anyway.  Most Ivy League colleges have about one quarter to one fifth of their student populations made up of international students, none of which…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>4. It would be great if, in the continuing NZ debate on "national standards" and "personalised learning", the Minister of Education and all political parties here could look at many "best practice" examples, such as those mentioned here, in an open-minded way.</p></blockquote><p>It's a continuing disappointment to me that we…</p>
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				<title>Cecelia</title>
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						<p>Hmmmm. I'm still not sure if learning the history is useful for all students. </p><p>And I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that Islander is a woman. </p><p>Just goes to show that t'internet (as Fred Elliot used to call it) transcends the gender differences we assume there…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But anyone wanting to take a course in 21st-century "video editing" (and that is the context) does not need to spend months or a year learning about the history of television.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, but I am reminded of a colleague's comment that __learning to use Microsoft Word is not the same…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Marvellous &ndash; is that following on from Robert Boyd-Bell's one?</p></blockquote><p>Sacha: yes, that is my starting point. I was originally motivated by the realisation that the 50th anniversary of the first official transmission is this year--and curious that there seemed to be little attention being paid to such a milestone.…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Giovanni, in his 4020th post to Russell's website</p></blockquote><p>That takes me back to the powerful debating skills exhibited by David Garrett on this here blog, except you appear to be a lot more verbose.  Oh well.</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote>... low poverty schools are only 3 times more likely to be high performing than high poverty schools on the single-year definition, they are 22 times more likely to be high-performing on the definition that requires consistency over time. Using data on schools with high minority populations he finds that,…</blockquote>
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				<title>Gordon Dryden</title>
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						<p>A couple of quick points &ndash; hopefully to see things in context:</p><p>1.  I don't advocate "learning all the history" of television in a day or a weekend or writing a 25-year history over a short time.  But anyone wanting to take a course in 21st-century "video editing" (and that…</p>
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				<title>Tony Parker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Picot Committee's report recommended that individual school communities should encourage their schools to be innovators in similar ways, and that the money saved, by slicing through bureaucracy, should be given to the locally-elected school board to achieve their innovative goals..</p></blockquote><p>The money wasn't saved through slashing bureaucracy-it came through…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am currently researching the second 25 years of television in New Zealand (1985-2010)</p></blockquote><p>Marvellous &ndash; is that following on from Robert Boyd-Bell's one?</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<blockquote><p>there's some good research on charter school systems (including the huge Stanford study I noted upthread), and overall it's not that encouraging.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed. Just reading a profile of <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/02/01/100201fa_fact_rotella" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Arne Duncan</a> (unfortunately, subscription required) the current Education Secretary in the US. It looks like he's full-steam ahead in favour of charter…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sorry, mate: I just feel I have tuned in, at times, to a Leighton Smith talkshow (the comments, not your generally well-structured open-minded discussion-leads).</p></blockquote><p>It would help if you didn't append your apology with yet another insult.</p><p>So far as I can see, nothing in the discussion warranted some of…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Now comes "Islander" ( in his 1865th post)</p></blockquote><p>Gordon &ndash; just quietly &ndash; I'm pretty sure Islander is a she, not a he. It's not the best idea to assume a person's gender on a forum such as this. There are actually quite a few of us laydeez around here...</p>
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						<p>From that fascinating Crooked Timber post that Stephen linked to upthread:</p><blockquote><p>Harris has estimated how many schools remain high flying over time, and what the characteristics of those schools are. Using a sample of 18,365 schools he finds that when the definition of high performing is changed to require consistency…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>No: in my experience, great teachers — whoever their employers — teach because they love it, and almost the money they earn is incidental</p></blockquote><p>Really? The great teachers I know are feeding families and servicing mortgages. And they're grateful for what their union has been able to do to improve…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I am deeply troubled by your assertion that anyone could learn the history of television in a weekend. My entire life is now a lie.</p></blockquote><p>I fear the same. I am currently researching the second 25 years of television in New Zealand (1985-2010) and, one year into it, I feel…</p>
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						<p>Gordon Dryden &ndash; in most ANZ schools, parents will pay some fees over and above their taxes &ndash; e.g. school trips, stationary, etc.</p><p>MOST ANZ parents will *not* be paying several thousand dollars a term for their child's/children's education. You know that perfectly well. Your comments are disengenuous &ndash; and…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But I guess, with up to 4000 contributions from some of your team,</p></blockquote><p>Hey!  Just one of them popping in, <em>but </em>  That was a bit snarky. Can I suggest, don't be so rude. All sorts of people understand things differently, and you are just one thing.so if you feel…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p>Gordon:</p><blockquote><p>For the life of me, I can't see the argument against this. I call it democracy.</p></blockquote><p>You mean, the very clear argument Tony made in which he laid out exactly why NZ's experiment with bulk funding ended up cutting funds from school operational budgets? Because it's just up the…</p>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>If so, I'm in the wrong discussion group on the wrong subject on the wrong blog.</p></blockquote><p>Good luck with finding a better one..</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/tories-swedish-schools-plan-will-not-work-1902992.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/tories-swedish-schools-plan-will-not-work-1902992.html</a></p><p>What a coincidence...</p>
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				<title>Gordon Dryden</title>
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						<p>(By the way: most schools are used foe about 210% of the waking hours of their sudents.. Think that great ? Or crazy? )</p><p>Typing mistake: should read 20%.</p><p>Russell: re</p><p>  I'm not sure if the triumphal tone of your response was warranted by the quality of your argument there,…</p>
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						<p>Ah, now I have got it.</p><p>So: Giovanni, in his 4020th post to Russell's website, after being challenged on his claims about the top US RESEARCH universities, starts quoting an article about how many US (non-research) universities  have been quoted at the bottom of world tables.</p><p>Welcome back, Rush.</p><p>Then,…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>So let me ask you: Is that the level of debate and discussion you expect to come up with answers to NZ's big challenges? If so, I'm in the wrong discussion group on the wrong subject on the wrong blog.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not sure if the triumphal tone of your response…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Tells you all you need to know about their withered intellect and unconfident emptiness of spirit.</p></blockquote><p>You what occured to me today? This is government is just like the Shipley one. Bereft of imagination, pinched and spiteful. And what is the link? The dismal double dipper Bill English, bringing the…</p>
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						<p><a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2009/12/09/schools-that-beat-the-odds/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Schools that beat the odds</a>.</p><blockquote><p>For various reasons I’ve been thinking a lot about schools that beat the odds lately (schools with high need student populations but which get high achievement out of them). My inclination has been to agree with people who think that if we could figure out…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>Tells you all you need to know about their withered intellect and unconfident emptiness of spirit.</p></blockquote><p>That's my quote of the day. Good one Sacha</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It was also a way of the then National govt taking less responsibility for public education. Thankfully we had a change of government and the madness disappeared.....until now!</p></blockquote><p>Tony, thanks for this very detailed explanation of bulk funding and particularly for noting the top-ups paid to early adopting schools and…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>nations with little or no natural resources have wised up and harnessed their brainpower. Right now in NZ our movers and shakers seem bent on the exact opposite.</p></blockquote><p>Tells you all you need to know about their withered intellect and unconfident emptiness of spirit.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"Bulk funding" (a terrible title) of individual schools versus centralised government funding (I've even forgotten the original term). New Zealand has brilliant public schools which have opted for either method.</p></blockquote><p>I think Gordon you are viewing this through rose tinted glasses or the wrong end of the telescope. Schools are…</p>
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						<p>Gordon Dryden &ndash; by 'private school' you mean 'school that teaches students for money'? Yes?</p><p>"!00% open acceptance policy" = the parents/guardians will pay whatever is asked, yes?</p><p>And these schools arnt found in ANZ, right?</p>
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						<blockquote>So please, Giovanni: which would you say are the worst US research universities, with emphasis on "research" (opposed to "teaching" universities? (I know of and have visited several "teaching universities" — especially their Education Departments— and found them appalling; I have also visited others and found them excellent in parts…</blockquote>
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				<title>Gordon Dryden</title>
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						<p>In fairness:</p><p>Under Section 162 of the Education Act (1989) a university is defined as having the following characteristics:</p><p>(i) They are primarily concerned with more advanced learning, the principal aim being to develop intellectual independence:</p><p>(ii) Their research and teaching are closely interdependent and most of their teaching is…</p>
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						<p>From Giocvanni's:</p><p>Comment:  Have you ever known a private school to go out of its way to take the bottom 20% of anything? I sure haven't. </p><p>Factual response (instead of talkback conjecture): Yes.  The two best private schools in the world I regularly visit and consult for, each with 3,600…</p>
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						Nice story and well done retroactively :-)
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						<blockquote><p>It also has some of the worst ones. Nobody has ever denied that elitist education works for the elites, you know?</p></blockquote><p>Or that an idle wealthy class system often produces genius. The point is that the genius of the other classes is wastefully and unfairly squandered by such a system.…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I have heard that Victoria University aspires to be 'the critic and conscience of society'.</p></blockquote><p>It makes you think, doesn't it? Unfortunately, the thoughts in question happen to be NSFW or indeed for any sort of polite company.</p>
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						I have heard that Victoria University aspires to be 'the critic and conscience of society'.
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						<blockquote><p>Nobody has ever denied that elitist education works for the elites, you know?</p></blockquote><p>Quite. The financial model for Ivy League schools &mdash; Harvard, famously, is a college attached to an investment fund &mdash; is to beg money from privileged alumni on the basis that their mediocre offspring will be able…</p>
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						<p>Yes, there is an etiquette to postage but I wouldn't have brought it up if it hadn't been for the egregiousness of the "If it is possible to cut out a word, always cut it out" comment from earlier in the week. :-)</p><p>Also I can confirm I have been…</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's defeatist talk, Geoff.</p></blockquote><p>You misunderstand me.  I was suggesting that they wouldn't wash with the current bozos we have in power.  Personally, I find much to admire in ideas from Finland and other other chilly parts of the globe.</p>
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						I'm the last person to complain about epic posts. Having forged through Gordon's, I crystallize one main plea, to remain open to different ideas for education. Which is fine. I hope that this plea also applies to the government who are actually in control of the education system as much…
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						<blockquote><p>One of the things that is currently driving me nuts about the handwringing comparisons to Australia, never mind Finland, is that no one in Opposition seems keen to mention the higher minimum wage, the stronger union movement, the superior conditions for workers, and the generally more regulated environment. GRAAAR.</p></blockquote><p>And…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"A chicken with its neck wrung is different from a chicken with its head cut off, but does that really matter to the chicken?"</p></blockquote><p>or; 'the end justifies the means'?</p><p>Lot's of people trying hard to chose the right means, a few people aiming for the (ideological) end.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>the Finns have an attitude to public responsibility and state intervention that would never wash here</p></blockquote><p>That's defeatist talk, Geoff. There IS an alternative &mdash; lots of them, in fact. And at various times and places in NZ those alternatives have enjoyed wide popular support. There is no reason that…</p>
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						<p>Gordon, I read all your posts because their subject matter interests me but I think there is a blog discussion etiquette about length. Not that I would know!</p><p>Because you are new here I will nudge you towards the link to Giovanni's own blog.</p><p><a href="http://bat-bean-beam.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://bat-bean-beam.blogspot.com/</a></p><p>He's one of them interleckshals…</p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<blockquote><p>When I visited there some years (in the dead of winter), they were contemplating legislation that would mean that wealthier traffic offenders would pay proportionately higher for their transgressions than lower paid Finns.</p></blockquote><p>In use: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-fine" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Day-fine</a></p><p>ETA: Rich, snap!</p>
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						Anyway, as we are keeping the spirit of the discussion, I agree that while longer than the average post here, it was worthwhile and interesting.  Thanks Gordon.
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<blockquote><p>they were contemplating legislation that would mean that wealthier traffic offenders would pay proportionately higher for their transgressions than lower paid Finns</p></blockquote><p>That actually became law in Finland a few years back.  Here's an <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3477285.stm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">example</a> from 2004.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>they were contemplating legislation that would mean that wealthier traffic offenders would pay proportionately higher for their transgressions than lower paid Finns</p></blockquote><p>That actually became law in Finland a few years back.  Here's an <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3477285.stm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">example</a> from 2004.</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p>Interesting post, Gordon.  However, I think your exhortation to 'consider "the concept" rather than the particular label' oversimplifies the reason people did object and are continuing to object to many of the concepts you discuss.</p><p>Simply because a policy decision was later shown to have some good effects, that does…</p>
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				<title>Cecelia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Sort of like, "Nice bat; just needs a new blade and a new handle."</p></blockquote><p>I asked for that ... I just mean that I like the idea of it, sometimes like the comments and think it could be easily improved.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Could I, too — like a few others — make a plea for all contributors not to make blanket judgments based on others' party affiliations</p></blockquote><p>I don't think that's really happening; just a bit of sarcasm returned in kind.</p><blockquote><p>I actually find The Panel quite diverting. It just needs a…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Apologies 2000 words is too much for you, Giovanni.</p></blockquote><p>Well, initially I found it rather daunting, but I persisted as you have an easy, conversational style of writing, Gordon.</p><p>Re Finland.  In the past I too have used it as a model for various things eg its broadcasting system, whereby…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>You should try reading a book some time.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, I heard of those. Must try some time, it's just that the tech support  is so backed up.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ</a></p>
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						<p>“I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”</p><p>This was Mark Twain?</p>
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						<p>Umm, was going to try defuse by suggesting the plagiarism committee might want to check if that ends up in a university essay called <em>Education In New Zealand:  A Dream Within a Dream</em>, but now I'm just gonna sit and watch the gio-graphical response.</p><p>Everyone got their helmets on?</p>
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						<p>Here's an interesting perspective from Utah.</p><p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-utah-school15-2010feb15,0,906102.story " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">(It's an LA Times story.)</a></p>
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				<title>Gordon Dryden</title>
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						<p>Apologies 2000 words is too much for you, Giovanni.</p><p>You should try reading a book some time.  Most are longer, except The Two Minute Manager.</p><p>Just kidding.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The programming on Saturday (am and pm) is the sort of stuff they should be doing more of, IMHO.</p></blockquote><p>At least they are there. Weekday mornings aren't too bad. Where else in the media would you get 25 minute interviews? </p><p>I actually find The Panel quite diverting. It just needs…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, I am entitled to dream, am I not?</p></blockquote><p>Dear Lord man, that was just shy of two thousand words. If you're going to start telling us about your dreams as well, I might have to apply for work leave just to be able follow the thread.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>would it all be "blues"-based?</p></blockquote><p>Good on ya Liz, I knew you would see that.<br />Woke up this morning,<br />Was still stuck in the lift.<br />Life has its ups and downs.</p>
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						<p>Good post Gordon (trust me to come in with a flippant post just as you unleash your well thought out one)<br />I am of the view that Education is best designed by educators rather than idealistic political zealots.<br /> The term/title "'Step Change: Success the Only Option' " is fundamentally flawed…</p>
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						<p><strong>oh, you are on Schindler's Lift now!</strong></p><blockquote><p>Is Spanish Muzak known as "El Avatar" music ?</p></blockquote><p>...at least it's uplifting, <br />would it all be "blues"-based?</p>
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						<p>Russell:  Thanks for including the link to the full report of the "Inter-Party Working Group for School Choice".</p><p>While a regular reader of your blog, I last week joined for the first time in your discussion-segment on "national standards" on education.</p><p>Could I, too — like a few others —…</p>
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						<p>In re: the report only the ACT MPs could get behind:</p><p><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1002/S00226.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1002/S00226.htm</a></p><blockquote><p>ACT Deputy Leader and Inter-Party Working Group (IPWG) chair Heather Roy today joined fellow IPWG ACT representative Sir Roger Douglas to release 'Free to Learn', the minority view on the 'Step Change' report launched at Parliament yesterday.</p></blockquote><p>I…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Handwavium!</p></blockquote><p>and other wishalloys...<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">unobtainium</a> has left the research labs <br />and been used in at least two movies now;<br /><em>The Core</em> and <em>Avatar</em> &ndash; joining other well known MacGuffin substances like Dilithium ( <em>Star Trek</em> ) and Scrith ( <em>Ring World</em> )</p>
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						<blockquote><p>What shocked me about the paper was the flimsy nature of its "research". If I had time, I think I'd have a good chance of spotting the copy and paste direct from a coupe of lobby groups.</p></blockquote><p>I think you'll find that Jolisa is the contracted PAS plagiarism spotter and…</p>
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						<p>This is interesting, from the Roy speech:</p><blockquote><p>While the group reached agreement on many points, it is not unusual, given the range of issues addressed, that some strongly held views were not shared across all Parties. As a result, the work of the Inter-Party Working Group has been put into…</p></blockquote>
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						<p>Thanks to Journalista I read her speech <a href="http://www.roy.org.nz/speechs/step-change-success-the-only-option" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a></p><p>She quotes Tony Robbins!? I mean really Tony Robbins!</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Apparently the proles should be taxed harder via GST, because it's the only way they'll learn not to torpedo our balance of trade via JB Hi-Fi</p></blockquote><p>Thatcher tried to do something not all that different, and look what happened.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr76PoerzKs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr76PoerzKs</a></p>
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						<p>And ironically the Clark Govt was accused of political interference in TVNZ. With respect to Coleman's threats to dumb down RadioNZ &ndash; and many of his teabagger colleagues for that matter &ndash; anyone notice the resemblance of the following?</p><p><br />“Life in Australia is neither urban nor rural but suburban. If…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>and the 'guests' they bring for the weekday pm Panel are just too much The Usual Suspects ie people who already have ample access to the public discourse, or are just too predictable.</p></blockquote><p>Don't forget weekday mornings with "Left vs. Right".</p><p>I'd almost forgotten the magic of hearing Matthew Hooton…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>telling RNZ their budget could be frozen for the next 5 years.</p></blockquote><p>The current activities and soundings-off of Coleman look very much like political interference in broadcasting.  I agree that NatRad is essential to the NZ broadcasting mix but I sometimes wonder who their audience is. Increasingly, I don't think…</p>
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						<p>Dave Guerin of Education Directions has <a href="http://www.ed.co.nz/2010/02/17/step-change-politics-not-policy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">some criticisms of my post</a>, which he nonetheless assures me he likes.</p><p>He says the two paragraphs about Sweden I quoted are part of "a fairly light case study section that has little reference to the proposals that follow."</p><p>Fair call. I wasn't looking…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The Swedes are taking steps to address their education problems:</p></blockquote><p>Phew. Good luck with that prescription!</p><p>I can't help but wonder if the Swedish government is going to plough its own course whatever the consequences, as it has for some time with its drug policies.</p><p>Honestly, I think it's reasonable…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>telling RNZ their budget could be frozen for the next 5 years.</p></blockquote><p>RNZ: pretty much the best &mdash; some would argue the <em>only</em> remaining &mdash; mainstream source of more or less in-depth news coverage in the country. Coincidence?</p>
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						<p>Academies here in the UK, where they achieve better than average or improved results do it by exclusion. Where they are forced to accept wholescale the population of a school they replace they exclude at a much higher rate than state schools. </p><p>So do the religious (usually Anglican) schools here…</p>
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						The overweening impression I get from Russell's concerns and commentary about Heather Roy's so called 'Step &ndash; downwards &ndash; change' is that it all seems one great big ideological wank off performed by ACT.
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>The Swedes are taking steps to address their education <a href="http://educationinjapan.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/swedens-school-system-going-the-way-of-japans/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">problems</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Sweden’s education minister, Jan Björklund, says this easygoing attitude is changing in response to the country’s dismal test performances. The ministry is developing a new, rigorous national curriculum, and by 2011, teachers will give grades starting in sixth grade. Younger…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>I hope so. Meanwhile I'm getting very scared about what I heard Jonathan Coleman say about RNZ.</p><p>Mining in our conservation estate and, now, tinkering with the public broadcasting function of RNZ ...(One News) Oh dear.</p></blockquote><p>I saw that on the news this evening &ndash; with some smug and smarmy…</p>
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						<p>Heh again. I went googling for "learning broker mentor" </p><p>Check out John Spavin <a href="http://www.journalista.co.nz/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> here</a>: Love the reporter Video just below</p>
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						<blockquote><p>handwavium</p></blockquote><p>Hehe.</p><p>Done when you find Unobtainium.</p>
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						<p>Checking out Step Change we find this:</p><blockquote><p>Quality learning facilitation</p><p>With reference to quality learning facilitation, Hattie, in his final chapter of "Visible Learning: a Synthesis of Over 800 Meta-Analyses Relating to Achievement" writes:</p><p>“The conclusion seems clear: experts possess pedagogical content knowledge that is more flexibly and innovatively employed…</p></blockquote>
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						Ooo! Handwavium! Right up there with rofflenui!
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						<p>Having read through the report, I don't see anything that would be expected to improve the learning outcomes for my child (not that I did expect I would).<br />I also suspect that over the next few months many of the critical details that would make it a clear, rational, measurable,…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Off course to provide “choice” people would be free to move from or to the super city as they please.</p><p>Boom times for hamiltron methinks</p></blockquote><p>Give me your tired, your poor,<br />Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,<br />The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.<br />Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost…</p>
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						<p>I've just read the report.</p><p>I wanna be a "learning broker mentor!"</p><p>The report reads to me like the research project completed by a Year 13 student. (No offence to students.) It's pie in the sky stuff.</p><p>How does the suggested "personalised learning path" fit with the new national standards?…</p>
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						<p>There were two high-schools in Tokoroa, a reasonable distance apart (maybe 3 km?). In my final year, classics was offered as a bursary subject in the hour before the rest of the school started (basically 7:30-8:30) and the class was open to students from the other high school.</p><p>Similarly, the…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Or, hell, teleconference</p></blockquote><p>Exactly. Once Joyce pulls his finger from wherever it's been resting and gets on with ensuring decent broadband. Making schools early in the queue would be good.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>So this kite-flying nonsense coming out of right field &ndash; it's gonna crash pretty soon I reckon.</p></blockquote><p>I hope so. Meanwhile I'm getting very scared about what I heard Jonathan Coleman say about RNZ. </p><p>Mining in our conservation estate and,  now,  tinkering with the public broadcasting function of RNZ ...(One…</p>
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						<p>Tolley's flailing rather than failing I think.  </p><p>She'll be supported by Key.  And they know they've been embishus enough in seeking instant implementation of National's national standards, quite close to biting off more than they can chew.  So this kite-flying nonsense coming out of right field &ndash; it's gonna crash…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>How does that work? Will they be putting on a mini van to transport the kids to the other school? Or will the kids have to coordinate public transport (if, indeed, their school is serviced by public transport).</p><p>What a hassle.</p></blockquote><p>My high school was not huge but was on…</p>
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						<p>Super cities, party central, national standards, step changes, it’s all about choice, why not implement them within the boundaries of the new “super city” for a period while the rest of country observes the emergence of the new nirvana.</p><p>Off course to provide “choice” people would be free to move…</p>
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						<p>When Tolley is so obviously failing, she may be able to be lead by Roy into ACT ideology (not that Tolley has a clue what she is doing or where she is going).</p><p>[Edit: may be lessons in Helicopters would raise results]</p>
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						<blockquote><p>No, actually.</p><p>Thulberg is director general of the Swedish National Agency for Education, which oversees policy and research for the whole system, including the independent schools, which are part of that system.</p></blockquote><p>Fair enough.</p><blockquote><p>If you bother to read it, you'll see it is not the work of a lobby…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>Seems entirely plausible. There are advantages for the Nats of having tame nutters at hand.</p></blockquote><p>Particularly when the nutters do such a poor job of developing their ideas...</p>
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						<blockquote><p>What shocked me about the paper was the flimsy nature of its "research". If I had time, I think I'd have a good chance of spotting the copy and paste direct from a couple of lobby groups.</p></blockquote><p>They're a surprisingly lazy bunch for such champions of enterprise and hard work.…</p>
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						<p>eh? Do you mean like what was done with the tax 'reform'..."'let's get a patsy like don brash to make some, er, brash statements that we can ridicule and offer our (then seemingly) more moderate plan up as the palatable option?"</p><p>Possibly. </p><p>(yes, national standards is a big enough head…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>What shocked me about the paper was the flimsy nature of its "research". If I had time, I think I'd have a good chance of spotting the copy and paste direct from a coupe of lobby groups.</p></blockquote><p>I don't recall vouchers being a big deal for National, ACT definitely but…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Nah. The weirdest explanation evar was John Key this week explaining Whanau Ora as being "a bit like a waterbed".</p></blockquote><p>Hee hee.. <a href="http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2010/02/16/i-know-what-whanau-ora-is/#comment-16499" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">concurage</a>.</p><blockquote><p>Good to see the National Govt having the courage and conviction to put in place firm Nanny State policies to deal with issues that the previous Labour…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>What shocked me about the paper was the flimsy nature of its "research". If I had time, I think I'd have a good chance of spotting the copy and paste direct from a coupe of lobby groups.</p></blockquote><p>Ahh, but you've made the fatal mistake of thinking the current Government gives…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>We are clearly failing too many kids, and something has to be done... (won't someone think of the children) but charters and vouchers don't seem to be the answer.</p><p>Not an easy thing to tackle, and many wrong answers.</p></blockquote><p>Absolutely.</p><p>What shocked me about the paper was the flimsy nature…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"things on which most people are able to have sex"</p></blockquote><p>league tables</p>
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						<blockquote><p>an argument against the decile funding system.</p></blockquote><p>ACT really do think the earth &ndash; and everything human &ndash; is flat, don't they?  Thank goodness 98% of New Zealanders disagree, though some speaking up seems called for..</p><blockquote><p>We are clearly failing too many kids, and something has to be done</p></blockquote><p>How…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Nah. The weirdest explanation evar was John Key this week explaining Whanau Ora as being "a bit like a waterbed".</p></blockquote><p>Then again, it makes a kind of sense if you assume he was talking about "things on which most people are able to have sex".</p><p>Edit:Er, that should read <em>unable</em>…</p>
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						<p>...so I've been looking at this topic in a professional capacity recently, and there are pro's and con's on both sides (mostly cons when summed up &ndash; many of the points above give examples).</p><p>As I think some other PA commenter noted &ndash; one might assume Tolley's either modelling herself…</p>
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						<p><em>In the game of educational poker<br />you'll need a taxonomy broker<br />an unclassified child<br />is ostensibly wild<br />so conform to the cause and bespoke her</em></p><p>Was that my 404 error?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>I can almost hear mary wilson say "education broker what the fuck is that!?"</p></blockquote><p>Ingsoc is here to help you.</p>
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						How are they identifying the top 5%? Are they taking the ones who do best in the standardised tests (which is going to miss a lot of girted kids) or are they using some other form of assessment (which is going to be expensive and time consuming)? What will they…
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						<blockquote><p>"In some cases schools that are doing the best, have less money [given] to them."</p><p>Sounds like tax funding of Independant schools to me.<br />What do you think?</p></blockquote><p>Or an argument against the decile funding system.</p>
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						<blockquote><p><em>Have a listen to Roy trying to explain this on national radio last night</em></p><p>That was scary.</p></blockquote><p>Nah. The weirdest explanation <em>evar</em> was John Key this week explaining Whanau Ora as being "a bit like a waterbed".</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Have a listen to Roy trying to explain this on national radio last night</p></blockquote><p>That was scary.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"education broker what the fuck is that!?"</p></blockquote><p>The new paradigm...<br />if it ain't brokered <br />don't fix it...</p><p><strong>You can lead a horse to water, dept...</strong><br />Horses eat Swedes don't they?</p>
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				<title>Paul Litterick</title>
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						<p>An education broker makes education broken.</p><blockquote><p>Of his bones are coral made;<br />Those are pearls that were his eyes;</p></blockquote><p>See: rich and strange but useless.</p>
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						<p>Heather Roy at the end of the RNZ piece.</p><p>"In some cases schools that are doing the best, have less money [given] to them."</p><p>Sounds like tax funding of Independant schools to me.<br />What do you think?</p>
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						<p><strong>Step right up folks, step right up...</strong></p><blockquote><p>What is a step-change when it's at home?</p></blockquote><p>in some school's it's a <strong>pest</strong><br />and in others it means <strong>pets</strong><br />optimists see it gainfully as <strong>et ps</strong><br />pessimists bleakly see <strong>EST</strong> &amp;  <strong>P</strong></p><p>for some a step-change<br />is a quantum move up<br />and for…</p>
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						<p>Have a listen to Roy trying to explain this on national radio last night </p><p><a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/ckpt/2010/02/16/report_from_working_group_on_school_choice_released" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a></p><p>I can almost hear mary wilson say "education broker what the fuck is that!?"</p>
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						<p><em>a step-change<br />Into something rich and strange.</em></p><p>Well, it's strange and for the rich, so...</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Cue ethnic stereotype... It'll never last...</p></blockquote><p>>:(</p><p>I for one welcome our well-meaning ethnic stereotype overlords.</p>
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						<blockquote><p><strong>...the giovernment...</strong></p><p>OMG! it's all too late then, <br />he's taken over everything!</p></blockquote><p>Cue ethnic stereotype... It'll never last...</p>
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