Hard News: Reputation and remuneration
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He doesn’t seem to be able to perceive the ethical gap between his aspirations and what he did, and does.
And to help prove your point, on the same day you post he provides this lovely example via NewsTalkZB where he lectures us about how a reasonable person would never release anything they knew would breach someone's privacy, and that if they ever recieve this type of information they would always delete it and never shop it around to the media.
You couldn't make this stuff up.
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Sacha, in reply to
they are just making the shit up as they go along
No, it has all been planned since before the 2008 election. Not necessarily competently, which might be a more fruitful angle.
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DexterX, in reply to
And the character in Othello is Iago. You're getting confused with National party ministers - understandable as they are equally treacherous ;-)
At least I didn't attribute the quote to the Bosa Nova - First Citizen John Key the First .
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DexterX, in reply to
My consideration was looking at it from the perspective of Key and Smith responses, in the TV news of the last few days, as to what were core the key local body activities? They both had little or no idea - it was laughable - not that it seems to matter.
The Plan - the effect of the Plan I feel has been to contract the economy as much as possible so that eventually the only place to go is up and when things turn around take credit for the recovery.
That is how I see them getting a thrid term.
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Sacha, in reply to
not that it seems to matter
Politically it doesn't - unless an effective opposition can muster public understanding and support against the changes. All of them, not just one or two sacrificial elements. I'm sure the government would be happy to explicitly include libraries and swimming pools after a symbolic fight so long as the overall preparation for privatising local govt sails through.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
The Plan – the effect of the Plan I feel has been to contract the economy as much as possible so that eventually the only place to go is up and when things turn around take credit for the recovery.
It works in theory if it doesn’t go too low. But what if things get so low that there’s a Tottenham-on-Manukau?
And to help prove your point, on the same day you post he provides this lovely example via NewsTalkZB...
You couldn’t make this stuff up.No true Scotsman, much?
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
Bennet should be history – she should have been sacked for the privacy issue re Natalie Fuller and Nick Smith should be gone for the Bronwyn Pullar letter.
Another formula those types cling to could be best described by Malcolm X during one of his saner moments:
"If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the oppressed and loving the people doing the oppressing."
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DexterX, in reply to
I'm sure the government would be happy to explicitly include libraries and swimming pools after a symbolic fight so long as the overall preparation for privatising local govt sails through.
It is not as they (the cabinet) have stood to be elected to local govt - to represent rate payers - central govt are far less accountable than local govt. It would be great to see central govt go through the same dislcousre and polciy formation process.
The other hand they could play is pretty scary after a collecrtive rush of blood or gas to their heads cabinet could look to move libraries and swimming pools out of the local body mix of services.
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"So where do we draw the line?"
Some principles apply here:
1. If a person provides personal information to an agent that is supposed to be acting on their behalf, then that agent has a responsibility to protect their privacy.
2. If someone says or does something in public that later proves to be embarrassing, then they have themselves to blame (Key's "cup of tea" is a case in point).
3. In some cases, public interest may over-ride principle 1, for instance see the whistle blower legislation that many countries have adopted, contempt of court legislation, or distinctions between "public" and "private" individuals.Paula Bennett may have thought she was applying principle 3, but in this case misjudged badly. Whale oil would find himself on the sharp end of a law suit in some countries, as would the POAL. Perhaps we should allow that here. The ACC stuffed up releasing the list of names, but may be in the clear WRT Pullar if there is evidence that she attempted to pressure the ACC by threatening to release the list. In the absence of such evidence, the ACC is further in the pooh and really heads should roll.
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merc,
Key said the letter had not appeared to have influenced ACC because Pullar was still unhappy with the support she received.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6608670/Nick-Smiths-job-on-the-line
What a masterful display of suggestion. -
Phew......someone else has finally mentioned Bronwyn Pullar. Place has been deathly quite over this saga.
Now. About Ms Boag's presence in all this.......
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merc,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/acc/news/article.cfm?o_id=3&objectid=10792840
Not pretty, Collins in there as well.Collins confirmed she had received Boag's letter but sent it straight on to ACC. It would be included in the ongoing investigations into the security of ACC's privacy systems.
Ah, Mr Smith leaves Wellington. Now Auckland can we have a brighter Minister please?
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
Ah, Mr Smith leaves Wellington. Now Auckland can we have a brighter Minister please?
Yep, latest updates say he has indeed jumped ship. Even then, the deck chairs are still being rearranged.
On a brighter note, Auckland is getting double-deckers. Can Wellington have some, too?
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merc,
Oh dear me we get Brownlee. Perhaps as this could be construed as a NACT crises - maybe we need Martial Law? The synergies between the cities seem obvious, only Gerry can make the trains run on time?
The double deckers don't seem well thought out, they are yet to measure size for powerlines and such, especially Dominion Road. Oh well, we love the big bus nuttiness up here. -
Lucy Stewart, in reply to
Can Wellington have some, too?
I'm guessing they wouldn't play so well with the trolley bus lines.
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merc,
These double deckers aren't the cute new ones in London, they are the huge 200 passenger touristy type made to justify the spread to Albany and the need for mo' roadz.
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bye bye Mr Smith -
and Gerry Brownlee
will now be stretched
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So what was Winston implying? Are Smith and Pullar closer than has been mentioned so far?.
As for ex National Party Boss and ex Acc minister colluding with Party worker to blackmail the ACC Board, you couldn't make this shit up. -
Former Nelson Mayor and Smith appointee Kerry Marshall on the job "observing" the antics of Chch City Council. Time for a gentle tap on the shoulder.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
So what was Winston implying? Are Smith and Pullar closer than has been mentioned so far?.
The papers are certainly hinting thus. And when our researcher called his office today, his press sec opened by declaring that the minister would not answer any questions about his private life. Which she hadn't asked.
Smith also noted that "personal details" had been redacted of one of the letters he tabled in Parliament today.
Messy.
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Of course, we must be careful what we say about our leaders, look what happened to Clinton, and we don't want that, do we?.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Former Nelson Mayor and Smith appointee Kerry Marshall on the job “observing” the antics of Chch City Council. Time for a gentle tap on the shoulder.
Hey, I could do that. Gizza Job!
Hat tip to Yosser Hughes. -
And you must have seen this by now…
Nick Smith resigns over ACC fiasco
One down 59 to go.
According to a Herald poll...
Should have been sacked 45%
Right to resign 55%
So, in Herald land type statistics 100% wanted him to go. -
Bet noir...
Interesting development in the Sky City Convention Centre imbroglio...
John Drinnan points to more ministerial / governmental meddling with Govt seeming to approve the forced sale of TVNZ land & buildings to appease the Gambling Giant...In my opinion the purchase of the TVNZ site and the rehousing of production facilities - without consultation and against the broadcaster's wishes - is tacit in the Government considering the proposal.
A spokesman for Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce's office said this week: "If following the negotiations [with the Government] the TVNZ sites are needed, then SkyCity would seek to purchase the land from TVNZ in the normal commercial manner." -
Steve Barnes, in reply to
John Drinnan points to
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